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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:40 pm


    Orthodoxymoron wrote:


    I'm presently on part 16 of this very interesting series. I had my eye on Kali - even before I knew her name - but now she has my undivided attention. At 'Awake and Aware' Alex Collier stated that disclosure might come from China or India!! What is between China and India?? TIBET!!! Look at the last minute of part 14 - and notice especially the part about Nicholas Roerich travelling to Tibet - and speaking of ET's from Sirius setting up shop in Tibet - and conducting hybridization experiments!! He spoke of seeing STRANGE GREY PEOPLE!!!!! Didn't Nicholas Notovich write about Jesus travelling to Tibet?

    SIRIUS > TIBET > BABYLON > EGYPT > GREECE > ROME > ROMAN CATHOLICISM > NAZI PARTY > NEW WORLD ORDER?
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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:41 pm

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    Andromeda wrote:
    Thank you Starninja, very impressive! I though you may want to check up this

    Thank you Andromeda. I am done with my research into occult, Blavatsky, Eastern religion, New Age spirituality, and New Age science. It was 10+ years of a very intense research.
    Hm....It looks like that it was a waste of my time and money.... But it is a price for my personal growth and awareness that my soul wanted. I gained an inner freedom that I was seeking for so long. Krishnamurti would say that it is a total freedom as we free our mind from any programming and conditioning.

    The research I have done with Stardust was the final piece as I was interested how mind control affects our emotional, mental, and physical well being and what methods they are using. I was finally able to connect all the dots before I wrote my summery on this tread.
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    Orthodoxymoron wrote:

    I'm presently on part 16 of this very interesting series. I had my eye on Kali - even before I knew her name - but now she has my undivided attention. At 'Awake and Aware' Alex Collier stated that disclosure might come from China or India!! What is between China and India?? TIBET!!! Look at the last minute of part 14 - and notice especially the part about Nicholas Roerich travelling to Tibet - and speaking of ET's from Sirius setting up shop in Tibet - and conducting hybridization experiments!! He spoke of seeing STRANGE GREY PEOPLE!!!!! Didn't Nicholas Notovich write about Jesus travelling to Tibet?

    SIRIUS > TIBET > BABYLON > EGYPT > GREECE > ROME > ROMAN CATHOLICISM > NAZI PARTY > NEW WORLD ORDER?


    I wouldn't go that far as going to Sirius. I will explain in a moment why I think this way. But definitely Tibet > Hindu > Babylon > Egypt > Greece > Rome > Roman Catholicism > Nazi > New World order. I like this video because it confirmed my research. I was so excited to see that somebody else asked the same questions and searched for the answer and we both have come to the same conclusion.

    Aleister Crowley drew a picture of ET,Grays of course. If I remember correctly, it was in 1901. If we connect Crowley with Blavatsky who received teaching in Tibet and India we may have more questions. Interestingly enough, Blavatsky never reveled the teachings she received in Tibet. Secondly, Fritz Springmeier was silenced as he began reveling the hidden knowledge of Illuminati agenda as he worked with people who left Illuminati. He reveled their plans for 2012. We may not be surprised at all why Rick Clay " committed suicide" two weeks after he had an interview at Red Ice radio. They lost it and they know it. No wonder, Ashayana said that nothing will happen in 2012 but something "really bad" will happen in ....2019.LOL. But if we really go deeper into Ashayana teachings and start questioning and connect the dots, the truth is so bloody obvious. What I have found about Ashayana teachings and connections with Buddhism, Hindu, and symbolism in music and movies put me on alert. It was my missing piece.
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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:43 pm

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    This is a very important thread starninja. It confirms a lot of what I suspected. I continue to think that there is a sort of a Spiritual Switzerland somewhere between traditional religion and the new age. I have gained a new respect for the agnostics - those who are perpetually in limbo - and those who don't just go with the latest fad or guru. Consider an Oxford or Cambridge professor who regularly attends an Anglican church - yet considers most of the theology to be mumbo jumbo - but knows that there really are things that go bump in the night - and privately researches what we discuss. I guess I like a Joseph Farrell type of person - who has an Oxford education (patristics!) - has studied theology - is an organist - and who has extensively studied and written about the strangest aspects of the Third Reich. I intend to start at the beginning of this thread - and go through all of it very carefully. Thank-you for all of your hard work and excellent research. But why isn't Sirius at the heart of all of this madness? And what about Aldebaran? Did most of us come from somewhere else? What about the Native Americans (Tibetans?) and Blacks? Could they possibly be the only Native Human Earthlings? I'm seeing fleeting glimpses of the truth - and it's driving me more insane than I already was - and that's pretty bad!
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    Orthodoxymoron wrote:

    This is a very important thread starninja. It confirms a lot of what I suspected. I continue to think that there is a sort of a Spiritual Switzerland somewhere between traditional religion and the new age. I have gained a new respect for the agnostics - those who are perpetually in limbo - and those who don't just go with the latest fad or guru. Consider an Oxford or Cambridge professor who regularly attends an Anglican church - yet considers most of the theology to be mumbo jumbo - but knows that there really are things that go bump in the night - and privately researches what we discuss. I guess I like a Joseph Farrell type of person - who has an Oxford education (patristics!) - has studied theology - is an organist - and who has extensively studied and written about the strangest aspects of the Third Reich. I intend to start at the beginning of this thread - and go through all of it very carefully. Thank-you for all of your hard work and excellent research. But why isn't Sirius at the heart of all of this madness? And what about Aldebaran? Did most of us come from somewhere else? What about the Native Americans (Tibetans?) and Blacks? Could they possibly be the only Native Human Earthlings? I'm seeing fleeting glimpses of the truth - and it's driving me more insane than I already was - and that's pretty bad!

    I know exactly how you feel. I went through this and it was highly emotionally charged period. It always happens when we challenge our beliefs about reality, life, or about ourselves. The intensity of emotions that are evoked by this process may overwhelm us and it may look like we are loosing our sanity. But we don’t and it indicates that we are on our journey to free our mind from any programming and conditioning. My friend, you will be free from mind control. So many people accept beliefs about reality and spirituality without questioning. They will take the words of any guru or spiritual teacher or other authority as the truth. But it indicates that they are at very low level of personal development and emotional awareness. Our society teaches us that confusion is bad. But we have to go through the dark night of the soul to find our truth. There is a light in the end of the tunnel and we start to trust our feelings and intuition again. I am glad that you are on the same journey as I am.

    There are much more materials that it is not posted on this tread. I will be happy to share with you as it has helped me to put all the pieces together.
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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:45 pm

    Orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Here is a conservative biblical take (Walter Veith) on the New Age Movement which contains a lot of interesting information which is relevant to this thread. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1164776176933693244#
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    Thank you Starninja, very impressive! I though you may want to check up this

    Thank you Andromeda. I am done with my research into occult, Blavatsky, Eastern religion, New Age spirituality, and New Age science. It was 10+ years of a very intense research.
    Hm....It looks like that it was a waste of my time and money.... But it is a price for my personal growth and awareness that my soul wanted. I gained an inner freedom that I was seeking for so long. Krishnamurti would say that it is a total freedom as we free our mind from any programming and conditioning.

    The research I have done with Stardust was the final piece as I was interested how mind control affects our emotional, mental, and physical well being and what methods they are using. I was finally able to connect all the dots before I wrote my summery on this tread.
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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:48 pm

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    Yes very impressive research. I hope you don't feel it was a total waste. You are assisting us and saving us a lot of time and effort. It does connect more dots for me.

    I believe that we all have higher selves/guides that are helping us along the way, but the act of channelling opens oneself up to a whole series of deceitfulness. It is like giving away our free will.
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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:49 pm

    Burgundia wrote:

    Starninja, I can't thank you enough for this thread.
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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:50 pm

    Burgundia,

    I am glad that a few of us in the Mists of Avalon want to be free from mind control. I have found that the ultimate goal of mind control is to cut us from our feelings. When we are cut of from our feelings and intuition, we become totally mind controlled slaves. They can only control us through left brain. They do everything to cut our connection with a right brain where the limbic brain resides that is a source of our emotions and feelings.

    There was a much higher interest in the research done in this tread at Avalon2. It may by partially explained by the fact that they are many new members who are new to the New Age spirituality and new to the New Age view of reality as is explained by "new science" proposed by Nassim Haramein, Braden , B. Lipton to name a few and as such they are not under mind control as those who spent longer time and accepted those beliefs. But there is another aspect that relates to personal growth and development. Many people are stuck at the Literalist (late childhood) or the Loyalist( early adolescence)stage of human development.They never move to the Critic (Late adolescence and early adulthood)and as such they will not reach the Integrated Expansive Faith (the Seer). They don't question beliefs or new theory. They take literally as the truth. Bronte Baxter was talking about those people who are stuck at the lower level of development.

    Expert from Bronte Baxter
    http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/mantra-meditation-reveals-a-hidden-agenda-are-the-gods-alive-and-well-and-working-towards-the-new-world-order/
    What I expected to see when I came back to the Fairfield scene after 20 years away from Transcendental Meditation was a group of mainstay meditators true-blue to Maharishi and a group of robust dissenters, whose minds questioned everything they learned from their guru days. Instead, I found the true-blue meditators, but not the kind of dissenters I anticipated. I encountered people who had left the TM movement but hadn’t substantially changed their belief system. This latter group had changed in the way that people change hats, or redecorate their homes, leaving unaltered the structure underneath.

    The dissenters had splintered into a myriad of Eastern or Eastern-related philosophies: Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Andrew Cohen were popular, and Neo-Advaitin gurus had rallied many behind their minimalist philosophy. “Saints” like Ammachi visit Fairfield regularly, dispensing dharshan and picking up new recruits. Across town, small groups meet in “satsangs” to discuss their growing enlightenment or to chant songs to the gods. Heated debate is common between adherents of competing gurus, and people grow vitriolic over whether Maharishi has slept with young women or not. There is a smattering of hedonists and atheists, but ex-TMers in the Fairfield circuit mostly show up with an intact Vedic worldview. That worldview is a lens through which they perceive and measure all gurus and reality itself.
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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:51 pm

    Micjer wrote:

    Yes very impressive research. I hope you don't feel it was a total waste. You are assisting us and saving us a lot of time and effort. It does connect more dots for me.

    I believe that we all have higher selves/guides that are helping us along the way, but the act of channelling opens oneself up to a whole series of deceitfulness. It is like giving away our free will.


    Sometimes, I felt that it was a waste of time. But there is no shortcut to find our truth and to find who we really are.I have just listened to my intuition what I needed to learn. I didn't want to keep this knowledge for myself but I wanted to share with others who are ready to see it. If somebody told me 2 years ago what I have learned doing this research, I would refuse to accept it.
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    Orthodoxymoron wrote:

    Here is a conservative biblical take (Walter Veith) on the New Age Movement which contains a lot of interesting information which is relevant to this thread. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1164776176933693244#

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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:52 pm

    Micjer wrote:

    Wow that is quite a vid odm. Very thought provoking.

    I do agree with many of his points. The worshipping of men/women that believe they are gods has always bothered me. (pope included)

    There are a few things which he says that I don't go along with, but for the most part very good points and illustrations.

    Thanks for the link.
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    Micjer wrote:

    Two things I definately will not trust. A Matrayia, that is appears to"save" us , and space ships that arrive to "save" us.
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    Sabina wrote:

    I don`t think that we are goods not even perfect humans but wy we need to get saved?
    from fellow humans they think they have some power over other humans like TPTB(maybe they are not so humans than you and I at least they behavior like that )
    I just can look at their behavior in the small comunal political room . TPTB want to built a big underground station for millions of euros and a park were the people of the city have free time has to go
    extinct urold trees have to die for monyey 2/3 means the majority want to have the park and no station but the people with the power do what they want and not the majority means no democraty and yes we have to get saved from this corupt TPTB
    to build a how says orthooxmron a namaste contitucion democratical
    spirtual emotional from the heart human constitution.
    Iwill not trust worts we have to look what they do they can share experience with us on a free will
    all the best Sabina
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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:54 pm

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    Does anyone have a check list of things to look out to avoid getting mind controlled?

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    Post  starninja on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:55 pm

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    Andromeda ,

    I haven't got a check list , but I can suggest a few of things to avoid . I believe we are talking about mass mind control . The obvious things to watch are :
    1) Minimize to an absolute minimum the use of mobile phones . If possible switch it off or use it only for emergency .
    2) Minimize to an absolute minimum watching television .
    3) Whatever happens do not get vaccinated .
    4) Do not drink the water from the tap with fluoride , if you are living in an anglo=saxon country . Use mineral water or even a filter .
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    Micjer wrote:

    And don't forget Aspartame. This is huge. I have noticed that the friends of mine that drink this poison are the hardest ones to talk to in regards to the evilness in this world.

    Aspartame - mind control drug

    Dr James D. Bowen has the following to say about mind control drugs and aspartame in particular:

    In his expose on Aspartame Dr James D. Bowen talks about the disastrous physical and mental effect of this FDA approved chemical. He comments that it is a mind control drug to control the masses as that it ruins the ability of a person to be able to think critically and use their own will.

    "Aspartame is a brainwashing agent. You lose your ability to think independently and effectively, or to realistically challenge anything.

    "The monologue "Psycho Politics" from the Church of Scientology is probably the best monograph available to bring you up to date with the way mass mind control agents, like Aspartame and the psychology/ psychiatric power structures are being used to control political dissident in our country, and also documents its roots in modern times. "

    http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/aspartame.htm



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    Sabina wrote:

    look what you eat
    avoid meat (especially pig meat)
    avoid chemtrails if you can
    read and study edjucate yourself
    live happy give love gain love
    take care for plants animals and fellow humans
    dance listen music have fun
    avoid frustration stress tristess

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    Post  starninja on Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:04 am

    Starninja wrote:

    Mind control is a big topic. We were compromised on so many levels that goes very deep.
    There is a good book written by Steven Jacobson tilted Mind control in USA.
    Jacobson spent almost 30 years studying mind control. After reading this book, I had thousands of questions about mind control. But it was a good start. If you are interested, sent me PM and I will give you a link to free e-book.

    An interesting video about mechanics of mind control. When I saw this video first time, I didn't understand to the full extent of the mechanics of mind control. I saw it again several months later while I was continuing research into the realm of mind control and I got it. It was fascinating to observe and understand how human consciousness works.I have realized that the understanding of how human consciousness works is the key to understand mind control. They know it and they did thousands of research how our consciousness works.

    Mind Control - The Mechanics of Mind Control - Tools for the Awakening

    [googlevideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1255450352571045347#docid=8813424220594533573[/googlevideo]

    Fritz Springmeier - Undetectable Mind Control

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8813424220594533573#docid=1255450352571045347
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    Orthodoxymoron wrote:

    Are all races of humans from Earth? Are some races of humans from somewhere other than Earth? Do the Annunaki resemble a particular race of Earth humans? Are Tibetans and Native Americans similar or identical? Are there humans from Sirius (A or B) living on Earth? Are there humans from Aldebaran living here on Earth? Alex Collier speaks of 22 extraterrestrial races connected with Earth human genetics. Do Earth humans have the same type of souls as reptilians and greys? Are all of our souls interdimensional? What if all of us are shapeshifting interdimensional reptilians? What if all of us are Nephilim? This isn't CIA or racist incitement - although this subject could be highly volatile - judging from how easy it is to get people whipped-up into a frenzy.

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    Orthodoxymoron,

    You are asking very interesting questions. Where is the truth? This article put a different light on UFO movement.Billy Cooper was so involved in UFO for so many years but he changed his mind regarding UFO. There is a video posted on this tread with Billy Cooper. Fritz Springmeier said that they planed a total takeover between 1992 - 1999. But they didn't succeed. Since the beginning of 90's, they put a lot of energy into UFO movement. Rockefeller,Steven Greer, Linda Moulton Howe, to name a few come on the stage.
    Interestingly enough, Alex Collier showed up at the same time. Coincidence or Billy Cooper was right and was silenced.

    The alien overlords
    http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufo_overlords.html

    The drive to uncover “the truth” about the UFO phenomenon is often believed to be an “us versus them” situation: the people versus the evil government. But in the 1990s, it became clear that this was not the case. Instead, it became apparent that it were “CIA assets” that were briefing that the CIA had secrets. A rather incestuous relationship…


    Philip Coppens

    One leading and influential advocate of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis and the Contact Scenario was Dr. Bruce Maccabee, a former US Navy physicist. Maccabee became prominent in the UFO field in the mid 1970s, and was a founding member of the Fund for UFO Research (FUFOR), whose primary purpose was to give grants to UFO researchers to further “the cause”: the study and disclosure of “the truth” about UFOs – and their “obvious” alien, extra-terrestrial nature.

    FUFOR has since played a major role in the dissemination of key aspects of the Contact Scenario. For example, it gave Stanton Friedman a grant of $16,000 to authenticate the MJ-12 documents. When these false documents were released in 1987, Maccabee was their greatest supporter.

    Both by his position and his reputation, Maccabee was an influential figure in UFO research, and his support for several sensational - but controversial - cases has led to their general acceptance by other researchers who, in turn, have promoted them to the public. As such, the UFO myth became firmly embedded within society.

    Furthermore, his rise to prominence was due to his claim that he had evidence that the CIA were withholding thousands of files relating to UFOs – a claim that has greatly encouraged the belief in a cover-up and, by extension, that there is something to be covered up. But while supporting many of the more sensational UFO cases, Maccabee has also used his influence to down-play evidence that supports a more conventional explanation of the UFO phenomenon. For example, when the declassified CIA documents relating to the use of UFOs as a cover for spy plane sightings were released in 1997, he argued vociferously – and successfully – that these were of no significance.
    Most importantly, Maccabee worked closely with William Moore, for example on investigating an alleged UFO landing near Kirtland AFB in 1980 – using information supplied by Sergeant Richard Doty – the government’s UFO disinformation agent par excellence. Moore later admitted he had spread disinformation on behalf of the government, promoting the UFO myth.
    Maccabee might just be gullible – not uncommon amongst UFO researchers – but in 1993, fellow UFO researchers discovered that Maccabee maintained close links with the CIA. When challenged, he admitted that, since 1979 (i.e. for 14 years), he had indeed regularly briefed the CIA at their Langley, Virginia headquarters on developments in the UFO field, but denied that his involvement went any deeper than that. Many in the UFO community once again accepted his word for it – the alternative was probably too hard to ponder. But if it was all innocent, why had Maccabee failed to explain why he kept these briefings secret for 14 years?


    It is ironic that a leading member of an organisation that is pledged to challenge official secrecy about UFOs – and one of the main proponents of the idea that the CIA are withholding thousands of documents on the subject – should have such a long-standing, secret relationship with that very agency. In the end, Maccabee’s reassurances failed to convince some, including his close friend and fellow FUFOR board member, Richard Hall.

    The drive that the government – and specifically the CIA – is involved in an “alien cover-up” was paramount throughout the 1990s, popularised by the existence of “The X Files”, which in the eyes of the UFO community seemed to “validate” them. John Podesta, working in Clinton’s government, was apparently such a fan of the series that after an episode of the series, he came to work wondering what aspects of the show were based on fact and which government agent that reported into the White House was lying to the President.
    The role of the CIA within the UFO enigma is bizarre at best. It has often dangled carrots in front of people, and the agency is not alone. In 1989, former NASA scientist Robert Oeschler claimed that he had been invited by top USAF officials to participate in an exercise to finally reveal the existence of extraterrestrials to the public. He was shown photographs, including one of a “typical grey alien”, and was taken to a “top-secret tracking station” off the Florida Coast where he was allowed to see what was described as UFOs being monitored during their flights over US and surrounding airspace. Oeschler publicised this information, although the promised official revelations did not materialise.

    Raising hopes of imminent revelations, yet nothing materialising is probably the best gimmick in these exercises, whereby each non-revelation is seen as further proof that there is a cover-up in place and that the forces of evil have once again stopped full disclosure.

    And what to make of Oeschler’s taped conversations with Admiral Robert Inman, former head of the NSA and deputy director of the CIA, in which Inman admitted that the US government had recovered crashed UFOs? Inman warned Oeschler that the conversations were secret because of national security considerations, and that the tapes could not be used without official approval. Yet Oeschler was allowed to broadcast them – supposedly revealing the greatest military secret in existence – on television with complete impunity.
    It seems that Oeschler was honestly reporting what he had seen and been told – yet all his information came from military and intelligence sources. Is it likely that the likes of Inman would have been truthful in such allegations? And if so, why were they allowed to get away with it? It may also be significant that Oeschler’s greatest supporter and advocate was Bruce Maccabee.

    Dr Maccabee’s most controversial endorsement was of the Gulf Breeze sightings and their primary witness, Ed Walters. In the late 1980s, Walters claimed to have taken photographs of UFOs over the Florida coast. Maccabee proclaimed the photographs genuine, an opinion that was hotly disputed by professional photo analysts. Even when an accomplice of Walters confessed to having faked them, Maccabee refused to admit that the photographs were fabricated.
    Maccabee and the supporters of the Gulf Breeze sightings argued that shortly after Walter’s initial claims, other people began to report seeing anomalous lights in the sky over the Gulf Breeze area – suggesting the Gulf Breeze sightings were genuine, irrelevant of faked photographs. But curiously, the phenomena only manifested at certain, regular times, specifically when civilians had gathered to see them. Significantly, Gulf Breeze is surrounded by military installations, one of which is specifically charged with psychological warfare experiments.

    In 1994, a group of very senior power brokers in the USA tried to promote the Contact Scenario to leading politicians – including the President Clinton himself. Though some presidents before him, like Jimmy Carter, had been interested in UFOs after apparently seeing one from an airplane, Clinton was apparently a fan of science-fiction and genuinely interested in UFOs.
    Laurance Rockefeller (left), going for a walk with Dick Cheney
    The group of influential and rich people that tried to put UFOs on the political agenda was presided over by their most senior figure: Laurence Rockefeller, whose wealth and influence gave him access to the top level of American – and international – society. As the grandson of John D. Rockefeller, the founder of the dynasty, and brother of John D. III, Nelson, Winthrop, and David Rockefeller, he was at the centre of American politics. It was therefore no problem for Rockefeller to brief President Clinton on UFOs while the president was staying at Rockefeller’s Wyoming Ranch in August 1995.
    The Rockefeller group’s aim was to convince world leaders of the reality of the Contact Scenario, and to persuade them to make a public announcement to this effect. As the evidence suggests, it came very close to such an announcement.

    As part of the UFO temptation of the President, an informal discussion was held in September 1993 at Rockefeller’s ranch in Wyoming. Those attending included: Richard Farley, Bob Teets, Henry Diamond, Dr. Scott Jones, Dr. John Mack, Dr. Bruce Maccabee, Dr. Leo Sprinkle, Linda Moulton Howe, Dr. Steven Greer, Marie Galbraith, and Keith Thompson. Each of these participants were leading UFO researchers or promising new lights.

    Dr. Jill Tartar, then director of SETI, was also invited to the meeting, but declined, stating some of the attendees were “not scientific”. A similar response was received from Carl Sagan, citing a scheduling conflict. He later argued that anything he had to say on the subject had been said in his recent book, “The Demon-Haunted World”.

    A key though relatively unknown attendant was Scott Jones, then President of an organisation called the “Human Potential Foundation”, to which Rockefeller donated no less than $700,000 for research into the social effects of the public revelation of alien contact, and into the most effective methods for lobbying Congress. The Foundation was established by Jones’s employer, veteran Senator Claiborne Pell, one-time head of Congress’s Foreign Relations Committee, and a great influence on Vice President Al Gore, who was equally said to be interested in UFOs and “strange phenomena”.

    In 1993, Rockefeller and Jones met with Jack Gibbons, Clinton’s chief science advisor, using a briefing paper “Matrix of UFO Beliefs” as the backbone of their presentation.
    That document had been written by investigative journalist Richard Farley. When asked about its general line of reasoning, Farley stated that “the paper reflects my assumption that, for at least some publicly perceived ‘UFOs’, various of our government’s branches would be expected to know very well what may have been witnessed.” In short, Farley suggested that UFOs were often a label stuck by government branches on top secret flights, experiments, etc. Farley did not seem to argue for the extra-terrestrial nature of the phenomenon.

    This, of course, was not conform to Contact Scenario that most of the Rockefeller group subscribed to, so it was no surprise to see that in 1994, Farley resigned, stating “I ultimately disagreed on the timing and dynamics of ‘what to push and when.’” Farley underlined that he had a serious concern that UFOs were being used as “camouflage for exotic aerospace and directed energy technologies.” Though Farley had left, Jones too warned about UFOs being used to cloak other highly classified projects. And though he left, it seems that Farley then tried to brief the Clinton administration of his individual beliefs too.

    The same happened to Jacques Vallee, considered to be a leading and most esteemed UFO researcher. Vallee had been offered a position helping with the Disclosure Initiative, but he declined, only to write directly to Gibbons to present his own UFO views, which differed from those ideas Rockefeller was presenting. Vallee offered to meet with Gibbons either in San Francisco or Washington or at Gibbons convenience. Despite Vallee’s high profile in the UFO community, Gibbons turned Vallee down cold. It is remarkable that Gibbons was interested in talking to Rockefeller about the Contact Scenario but not with Vallee, who is not a proponent of “crashed saucers” stories – and it seems Gibbons was not interested in hearing such “other possibilities”.


    After an initial meeting, a second briefing paper, aimed towards the Central Intelligence Agency, was prepared by none other than Bruce Maccabee. And with the CIA, we come to the crux of Rockefeller’s – and the Clinton’s – interest: Roswell. The first and most important test case where declassification had to apply, according to Rockefeller, was the Roswell UFO incident. By 1994, a whole series of books had been written on the infamous story, starting in the late 1970s, when the story had been resurrected from oblivion by William Moore, apparently at a time when he was not yet a willing disinformation agent.

    Rockefeller repeatedly argued along the lines that “There is a belief in many quarters that the government has long held classified information regarding UFOs which has not been released and that the failure to do so has brought about unnecessary suspicion and distrust. Many believe that the release of such information, if it exists, on a basis consistent with national security considerations, would be a significant gesture which would increase confidence in government.” That was indeed a noble sentiment and throughout the entire initiative, there is no evidence to suggest that Rockefeller was insincere; he seems to have been convinced the government was covering up ET and he tried to uncover the truth.

    Rockefeller and Greer’s pressure was able to convince Director of Central Intelligence Woolsey to request full disclosure on the Roswell crash. The outcome was a review of the UFO material, in which the emphasis shifted from the CIA to the Air Force. The conclusion of the report was that the Air Force had lied about more than half of its public statements regarding UFOs from the 1950s onwards. Why? To cover for covert CIA operations.
    The report argued that more than half of the UFO sightings during the 1950s and 1960s were actually not UFOs, but misidentified secret spy planes such as the U-2 and SR-71. The damaging part to the Air Force was the report’s author, Richard Haines’ allegation that the Air Force Project Blue Book, set up to investigate UFO reports, actually consulted with the CIA U-2 staff personnel in Washington, and helped to co-ordinate dismissive explanations for the public to cover for the CIA aerial spy operations. In short, the report concluded that the public had been lied to, for decades, by both the Air Force and the CIA, and that UFOs were nothing but a smokescreen. The Contact Scenario had been a public illusion, painted on top of the official lies that masked something else – something more mundane.

    Rockefeller largely felt – and so did most of the UFO community with him – that despite claims that this was the truth, these series of reports were more disinformation. The reports were seen as evidence of how powerful the true powerbrokers of the alien cover-up really were.
    Rockefeller continued and prepared a special briefing paper for select politicians, heads of state, and CEOs. In this, he engaged the help of Marie “Bootsie” Galbraith, wife of investment banker Evan Galbraith and one-time US ambassador to France. Galbraith wanted to compile a report containing the most reliable evidence for the paranormal nature of UFOs. Though the final 169-page document was less than impressive in scope and was largely a survey of a “best of the year 19XX UFO sightings and incidents”, the effort was remarkable as she managed to unite under the temporary banner of the UFO Research Coalition: CUFOS (Center for UFO Studies), FUFOR (Fund for UFO Research) and MUFON (Mutual UFO Network), the three leading UFO organisations which were seldom willing to co-operate.

    Among the cases selected for inclusion in this report were the Belgian wave and the Rendlesham Forest Incident – two cases in which there is a suspicious degree of military and intelligence involvement – and two cases which could have been part of a psychological warfare exercise.
    When the Report was finished, Rockefeller did not request many copies for himself. The copies he did request went to General Colin Powell, then former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and later Secretary of State, former Secretary of State for President Nixon Henry Kissinger, evangelist Billy Graham, and founder of the Earth Council and Secretary General of the landmark 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro Maurice F. Strong. It reveals the political clout Rockefeller’s initiative had and the extent of his desire to convince the world of the Contact Scenario.

    As mentioned, Rockefeller was not the only person trying to interest president Clinton. On December 13, 1993, Steven Greer met with the “principal advisor to the President for Intelligence matters related to national security,” DCI James Woolsey. It was the first of many UFO briefings that Greer would do for members of the Clinton administration. Though Greer later claimed this was a three hour briefing which was well received by Woolsey, the director of Central Intelligence later stated that the “briefing” was actually a conversation over dinner, in which Greer was one of the guests. Another target of Greer was Bruce Lindsay, one of Clinton’s senior councillors in the White House and one of his closest friends and Al Gore and his staff.

    Though at first firmly in Rockefeller’s camp, it seems that soon, Greer decided not play in the team, but make the briefings a personal ambition. An exact reason for the split has never been communicated, but it is believed that the disagreement between Greer and the Rockefeller group was about Greer’s contention that most if not all abductions were the result of US covert black operation paramilitary units simulating “alien abductions” through “reverse-engineered ET technologies.” This was a spin-off of the Contact Scenario, but perhaps one step the Rockefeller group did not want to reach out for.

    Greer has since become known as one of the key collectors of “UFO whistleblowers” and since 1993, he hoped to gain amnesty for witnesses involved in classified UFO activities, so they could tell their stories without fear of reprisal. Why such amnesty was specifically required is a good question, for none of these alleged whistleblowers have never been prosecuted, let alone arrested. After Rockefeller’s attempts to achieve full disclosure ceased (and the Clinton administration became embroiled in the Monica Lewinsky scandal), Greer became the only person collating stories of often anonymous “whistleblowers” claiming the Contact Scenario was true.

    Greer’s exposure to “whistleblowers” has led him to one conclusion: that the President and his advisors had not been honestly briefed on the UFO subject. According to Greer, any briefing that might have occurred, would have been an exercise in disinformation. His “deep throat” informants had all stated that neither the DCI nor the President were aware of what was truly going on. And hence, Greer saw Clinton as a fellow victim.

    It seems Rockefeller and Co. were able to convince the president of their conclusion. For example, the President was convinced of Rockefeller’s claim that the 1994 official Roswell report was a smokescreen and that he was being kept out of the loop on matters related to UFOs. His lack of faith was most evident during a November 1995 speech in Belfast, Northern Ireland, when he read a letter from a thirteen-year-old Belfast boy named Ryan dealing with Roswell. “I got a letter from 13-year-old Ryan from Belfast. Now, Ryan, if you’re out in the crowd tonight, here’s the answer to your question. No, as far as I know, an alien spacecraft did not crash in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. (Laughter.) And, Ryan, if the United States Air Force did recover alien bodies, they didn’t tell me about it, either, and I want to know.” (Applause.) Though this response may seem ad hoc and personal, we should note that all speeches by the president are carefully prepared – however much they may appear to be unrehearsed.

    Rockefeller clearly had the White House talking about UFOs. The biggest players, Clinton, Gore and Woolsey, were convinced that sections of the government were withholding key information from them. Roswell seems to have acted as a catalyst throughout most of these discussions and beliefs.
    As mentioned, Rockefeller’s role was of a genuinely interested party. But evidence suggests he too was being played, and that the trail led – via Maccabee and others – back to the CIA. In short, the puppet masters were unknown operatives within the Intelligence Community, trying to convince the president they had items in their possession that the president did not know about. The obvious question would be: why play such games? Even if such information was in their possession, why not simply reveal this material – if that is truly what they wanted to do?


    The veil of confusion is slightly lifted with the help of Richard Farley. After a face-to-face meeting between Scott Jones and presidential science advisor Gibbons, Farley discovered a transcript of a phone interview between Scott Jones and Dr. Ronald Pandolfi at the CIA, “discussing Pandolfi’s (and the CIA’s) role in supporting Gibbons’ response to the Rockefeller ‘UFO’ Initiative". Farley wrote in his April 28, 1995 letter to Gibbons that Scott Jones’ former executive assistant told him “Jones routinely ‘bugged’ Pandolfi’s calls.” Farley further stated that the attached transcript was given to him by Jones “for purposes which were not clear to me then, nor presently; I sent it to the FBI and CIA months ago.”

    According to the transcript of the April 15 telephone call, Pandolfi confirmed he had been contacted by the White House. He told Jones: “We [the CIA] had been tasked a couple of days before the proposed visit of Laurance Rockefeller with the White House Science Advisor, to provide a briefing update to him – and we didn’t do that. Instead we tasked our friend Dr. Maccabee to do it. He did an excellent job… Gibbons said that he had gotten a one page input from Rockefeller indicating what the subject was going to be, and he didn’t have any background on it, claimed that he had never heard of MJ-12, or things like that, and so he contacted our representative over there and asked whether we could provide some support.”
    “Instead we tasked our friend Dr. Maccabee to do it.”
    Maccabee had been hanging around the CIA for a very long time. In fact, Ron Pandolfi’s predecessor at the CIA, Christopher C. “Kit” Green, had spoken to Bruce Maccabee in 1979. Kit had apparently stated that the CIA files might contain as many as 15,000 UFO-related files, of which two or three thousand were really interesting. Back in the 1980s, UFO researcher Bill Moore had also described Kit Green as “a person close to the President of the United States, capable of checking on information to determine its reliability.” It is remarkable that of all UFO researchers, Maccabee and Moore seemed to be prominent visitors of the CIA “Weird Desk”, as the likes of Green and Pandolfi were known.

    In this scenario, few possible explanations make sense. Either the Weird Desk has such documents in their possession, but then the question is why full disclosure did not come about – noting that various channels and opportunities existed in the past decades to get the “truth” about the Contact Scenario out. The other scenario is that someone has been playing games – psychological warfare.

    This, and other "UFO incidents", did not evolve around whether or not UFOs were alien spacecraft, or, whether or not, ET crashed in Roswell and the Air Force put his tiny, grey body on ice. The UFO psychological warfare was a display by a small group of people, who pretended to have a big secret; a big secret they prenteded to have the power to shield from the public as a whole, and the President and his entourage in specific. It was a mechanism whereby even the President was led to believe there were men somewhere in his government whom he had to fear tremendously. The latter was true - but not because they were in possession of alien beings. In truth, it was - and is - nothing more than an exercise in power, in which a myth was created, then promoted, then apparently covered-up, even though each cover-up was a confirmation of the existence of the myth, so that we would believe. In truth, it was an empty secret...

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    Micjer wrote:
    I watched these vids. Very interesting.

    The point I took from them was not to trust channelling. Even the good ones are demonic. Telling us what we are wanting to hear. Giving away ones freewill to allow these entities to take over.


    With that in mind, what does that say about Barbara Marciniak
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    Burgundia wrote:

    I read barbara marciniak's books. They were interesting...there was a lot that resonated with me, however..i found fragments that were so odd to me that i thought that sth was wrong in the message...I immediately thought that apparently beautiful things are mixed with lies somewhere and the lies are the messages they want to smuggle...
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    Orthodoxymoron wrote:

    Thank-you starninja. You posted some very interesting information. I continue to like Bill Cooper. I don't think he got everything right - but I think he presented a foundation for researching the 'Alien Presence and the Secret Government' which subsequent researchers should build upon. Reading 'Behold a Pale Horse' and listening to all of Bill's talks is an excellent place to begin researching all of this madness. I keep thinking that we are dealing with Human/???? Hybrid ET's from Within Our Solar System (including Nibiru?) rather than Aliens from Orion or Alpha Draconis. Are we really dealing with an Ancient Human vs Human Solar System Civil War in Heaven? Are we dealing with Subsurface Bases and Tunnels Throughout the Solar System - going back thousands of years? Are we dealing with Ancient Human Technology - such as antigravity, nukes, holograms, supercomputers, etc? Are we dealing with a Horrible Hybridization Program - going back thousands of years? Is the Secret Government trying to convince us that all of this is recent and from distant stars and worlds? WHY CAN'T THEY JUST TELL US THE COMPLETE TRUTH - LET EVERYONE GO NUTS FOR A FEW YEARS - AND THEN BUILD A SANE SOLAR SYSTEM BASED UPON RESPONSIBILITY AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION? If there are hybrids - I would like to meet them! I don't wish to kill them! I JUST WANT THE BS TO STOP.

    All types of technology have the potential for good or evil - but I keep getting the feeling that technology is out of control - and that secret laboratories are spawning all types of very dangerous products of technology. How should technology be properly managed throughout the solar system? And yes, if the entire solar system is not covered - some very horrible experimentation might be proceeding unchecked on Phobos or Iapetus. My internet posting is really catharsis. What worries me is that most people don't have the time or energy to really sift through all of the conflicting and confusing information - and that they won't be able to handle what we are presently discussing. Heck - couples fight over how toothpaste gets squeezed out! People look out of it and dazed as it is. I work with the public every day, and half the people barely make eye contact with me. I'm sensing an insensitivity and lostness which will make it very difficult for the general public to understand and cope with what's been going on under our noses, over our heads, and under our feet - for a very long time - seemingly using tax money, drug money, and even blood money.

    I just watched part of one of Paola Harris's lectures, and noted that Col. Philip Corso was Head of Intelligence (U.S) in Rome, from 1944-47 (and was heavily involved in Project Paperclip, if I'm not mistaken). I'm presently leaning toward the theory that Roswell 1947 and Muroc 1954 were staged by the Secret Government and Secret Space Program, of which Project Paperclip was no doubt an integral part. I suspect that real UFO's and PGLF's or Hybrids were used - but that they originated from Earth Underground Bases rather than Distant Stars or Planets. Underground Bases, Hybridization Programs, Ancient UFO Technology, and Occult Wisdom and Spirituality - going back thousands of years - may explain most of the Alien and UFO phenomenon. That's my theory - and I'm sticking to it - at least for now. Have there been any recent interviews or books by Philip Corso, Jr.? He seems to know a heck of a lot - but seems reluctant to really open up - for understandable reasons.

    Once again - I'm trying to imagine being on the inside of a non-corrupt solar system government - as a mechanism for dealing with the historical madness and this present darkness. If the ideal and the reality can gradually be brought closer together - we might actually survive - and emerge as a model solar system. Hope springs eternal. I'm trying to imagine living inside of the United Nations, Washington D.C., the City of London, the Vatican, the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, and the Underground Bases - throughout the solar system - as sort of an observer and facilitator - obviously in a delusional dreamworld. "Mr. Smith Goes to the Darkside of the Moon!" Perhaps this is a coping mechanism. I think I'm going to start reading the CFR journal 'Foreign Affairs' again - just to foster a creative link between little old me - and Megalomaniacs Anonymous. I want to try to be a non-corrupt 'One of Them' - rather than fighting with the PTB from the 'outside'. This is very tricky territory, and if it isn't done properly, I could see someone going downhill in a great big hurry. My preoccupation with an 'Anna', 'Kali', or 'Lucifer' character, who rules over all of us, might be an indication that I'm picking up speed on the slippery slope to perdition. The horror...

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