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    Vatican Wars with China

    Post  Guest on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:42 am

    It is no longer enough to be Catholic and to look after your flock by obeying the laws of the country one lives, so ludricrous is funny

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    The Vatican has threatened a bishop with excommunication after he was ordained by China's state-backed Catholic Church without papal approval.

    Pope Benedict XVI had learned of the ordination of Rev Joseph Guo Jincai "with deep regret" as it constituted a "grave violation" of Church law, it said.

    The Vatican also accused Beijing of "grave violations of freedom of religion and conscience" because it forced Vatican-approved bishops to attend the ceremony.

    China's estimated 10 million Catholics are split between followers of the Pope and members of the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association.

    The association is not in communion with Rome and refuses to accept the sole authority of the Pope to appoint new bishops.

    Rev Guo, who was ordained in the north-eastern city of Chengde amid high security, is the organisation's deputy leader.
    'Painful repercussions'

    In an unusually strongly-worded statement, the Vatican accused the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association of gravely damaging the faith.
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    There are so many followers in China. I believe the Pope loves China, he won't make such a decision”

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    "The Holy Father received the news with deep regret, because the above-mentioned episcopal ordination was conferred without the apostolic mandate and, therefore, constitutes a painful wound upon ecclesial communion and a grave violation of Catholic discipline," it said.

    But what seems to have annoyed the Vatican most of all is that the Chinese authorities forced other bishops loyal to the Pope to attend the ceremony against their will, says the BBC's David Willey in Rome.

    "It is known that, in recent days, various bishops were subjected to pressures and restrictions on their freedom of movement, with the aim of forcing them to participate and confer the episcopal ordination," the statement said.

    "Such constraints, carried out by Chinese government and security authorities, constitute a grave violation of freedom of religion and conscience," it added.

    The Vatican said the ordination would have "painful repercussions" for Rev Guo
    , who "finds himself in a most serious canonical condition before the Church in China and the universal Church, exposing himself also to the severe sanctions envisaged... [by] the Code of Canon Law".

    More http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11829664

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    Re: Vatican Wars with China

    Post  enemyofNWO on Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:44 am

    Andromeda wrote:It is no longer enough to be Catholic and to look after your flock by obeying the laws of the country one lives, so ludricrous is funny

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    The Vatican has threatened a bishop with excommunication after he was ordained by China's state-backed Catholic Church without papal approval.

    Pope Benedict XVI had learned of the ordination of Rev Joseph Guo Jincai "with deep regret" as it constituted a "grave violation" of Church law, it said.

    The Vatican also accused Beijing of "grave violations of freedom of religion and conscience" because it forced Vatican-approved bishops to attend the ceremony.

    China's estimated 10 million Catholics are split between followers of the Pope and members of the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association.

    The association is not in communion with Rome and refuses to accept the sole authority of the Pope to appoint new bishops.

    Rev Guo, who was ordained in the north-eastern city of Chengde amid high security, is the organisation's deputy leader.
    'Painful repercussions'

    In an unusually strongly-worded statement, the Vatican accused the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association of gravely damaging the faith.
    Continue reading the main story
    “Start Quote

    There are so many followers in China. I believe the Pope loves China, he won't make such a decision”

    End Quote Liu Bainian Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association

    "The Holy Father received the news with deep regret, because the above-mentioned episcopal ordination was conferred without the apostolic mandate and, therefore, constitutes a painful wound upon ecclesial communion and a grave violation of Catholic discipline," it said.

    But what seems to have annoyed the Vatican most of all is that the Chinese authorities forced other bishops loyal to the Pope to attend the ceremony against their will, says the BBC's David Willey in Rome.

    "It is known that, in recent days, various bishops were subjected to pressures and restrictions on their freedom of movement, with the aim of forcing them to participate and confer the episcopal ordination," the statement said.

    "Such constraints, carried out by Chinese government and security authorities, constitute a grave violation of freedom of religion and conscience," it added.

    The Vatican said the ordination would have "painful repercussions" for Rev Guo
    , who "finds himself in a most serious canonical condition before the Church in China and the universal Church, exposing himself also to the severe sanctions envisaged... [by] the Code of Canon Law".

    More http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11829664

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    Glad that the Chinese government is taking on the criminal organization that goes by the name of the Catholic religion . I wish the Italian government had the intestinal fortitude to tell the pope to go and S@@@@ himself ! Instead we have time servers members of parliament that seat silently and don't complain when parasites bishops interfere daily with Italian internal affairs .
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    Re: Vatican Wars with China

    Post  burgundia on Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:49 am

    yep, this whole thing is one big Lmfao
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    Re: Vatican Wars with China

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:26 pm

    If a worldwide church was genuinely good - inside and outside - top to bottom - and taught the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - I wouldn't have too much of a problem with reasonable church discipline. But such is obviously not the case. People who live in glass churches - shouldn't throw stones. Just ask Robert Schuller...

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