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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:53 pm

    I'd like to take a positive and a negative look at the Jesuits. I sometimes joke that they monitor my posting activities, and that they're out to get me. Whether or not this is true, these people are quite controversial. I'm really trying to understand how the world is really run - and the Jesuits seem to be close to the center of things - for better or for worse. Here are some videos to get the ball rolling! So often, the subject is treated either as a nasty slam, or as a whitewash. I like the idea of calmly discussing various subjects - especially the controversial ones. My initial bias is that the Jesuits are basically good people who are in the middle of a very messy situation, which can sometimes be darker than midnight. I like the idea of the purification and reformation of the Roman Catholic Church - rather than just writing this organization off - in a condescending and triumphalistic manner. So I continue to think of myself as sort of a Renegade Roman Catholic - even though I have never been a member of the Roman Catholic Church. Do you see my point? I once attended a scholarly lecture given by a black Jesuit from San Francisco. They are quite the scholars, you know. It's the infiltration, subversion, and poison-cup thing that I have the most trouble with! I think that Jesuits know more about what's really going on in the solar system than just about anyone else. It's almost as if we need to be wise as Jesuits - and harmless as doves! Sorry guys! I couldn't resist! I'm especially interested in the relationship between the Jesuits and the Queen of Heaven - especially regarding the Jesuit General aka the Black Pope. Does the Black Pope meet regularly with the Black Madonna? I realize that this is playing with fire BIG TIME - but I have no agenda or hatred whatsoever. I actually like the current Jesuit General - but I don't even want to think about what he might have to deal with. But here I am - trying to think the thoughts of the Jesuit General and the Queen of Heaven - after them - as they travel underground at twice the speed of sound - on a magneto-leviton train. "Next Stop - Washington DC! The President is Waiting!"

    Gotta go! The St. Louis Jesuits are after me!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wD24wTVz3c

    1. 35th General Congregation of the Jesuits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqOkk0Jo7M&feature=related

    2. A Year With the Jesuits (6 parts) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4f5q4MtrSA&feature=fvw

    3. Spoon Fed (7 parts) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfKOQEp3VPo&feature=related

    4. A World is Not Enough (3 parts) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTEfxTgp3c&feature=related

    5. The History of the Jesuits (9 parts) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO57VT5FrHE&feature=related

    6. Who Are the Jesuits? (2 parts) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAO5jonha24&feature=related

    7. Bill Hughes - Jesuit Infiltration (6 parts) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2H0FZHaakA&feature=related

    8. Bob Bush - Former Jesuit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayas_YJX-qE&feature=related

    9. Alberto Rivera 1 - Former Jesuit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zDHxhUJLnQ&feature=related

    10. Alberto Rivera 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZErwZqwD0Q&feature=channel

    11. Alberto Rivera 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-wNlvk6WVI&feature=channel

    12. Alberto Rivera 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iumeIxNwO6Y&feature=channel

    13. Alberto Rivera 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=886jZ2VN4Gk&feature=channel

    14. Alberto Rivera 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ9u65hYsck&feature=channel

    15. Alberto Rivera 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0rLHbn2ug0&feature=channel

    16. Malachi Martin 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TUw5TQEszw&feature=email&email=comment_reply_received

    17. Malachi Martin 2 (9 parts) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhnr0VC3Fio&feature=related

    18. Malachi Martin 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Cq7gx22S0&feature=related

    Here is something from the 1916 Congressional Record http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/verona.htm which is worth considering:

    Senator Owen: I wish to put in the Record the secret treaty of Verona of November 22, 1822, showing what this ancient conflict is between the rule of the few and the rule of the many. I wish to call the attention of the Senate to this treaty because it is the threat of this treaty which was the basis of the Monroe doctrine. It throws a powerful white light upon the conflict between monarchical government and government by the people. The Holy Alliance under the influence of Metternich, the Premier of Austria, in 1822, issued this remarkable secret document:

    SECRET TREATY OF VERONA
    AMERICAN DIPLOMATIC CODE, 1778-1884, vol. 2; Elliott, p. 179.
    The undersigned, specially authorized to make some additions to the treaty of the Holy Alliance, after having exchanged their respective credentials, have agreed as follows:

    ARTICLE 1. The high contracting powers, being convinced that the system of representative government is equally as incompatible with the monarchical principles as the maxim of the sovereignty of the people with the divine right, engage mutually, in the most solemn manner, to use all that their efforts to put an end to the system of representative governments, in whatever county it may exist in Europe, and to prevent it being introduced in those countries where it is not yet known.

    ARTICLE 2. As it can not be doubted that the liberty of the press is the most powerful means used by the pretended supporters of the rights of nations to the detriment of those of princes, the high contracting parties promise reciprocally to adopt all proper measures to suppress it, not only in their own States but also in the rest of Europe.

    ARTICLE 3. Convinced that the principles of religion contribute most powerfully to keep nations in the state of passive obedience which they owe to their princes, the high contracting parties declare it to be their intention to sustain in their respective States those measures which clergy may adopt, with the aim of ameliorating their own interests, intimately connected with the preservation of the authority of the princes and the contracting powers join in offering their thanks to the Pope for what he has already done for them, and solicit his constant cooperation in their views of submitting the nations.

    ARTICLE 4. The situation of Spain and Portugal unite unhappily all the circumstances to which this treaty has particular reference. The contracting parties, in confiding to France the care of putting an end to them, engaged to assist her in the matter which may the least compromit (sic) them with their own people and the people of France by means of a subsidy on the part of the two empires of 20,000,000 of francs every year from the date of the signature of this treaty to the end of the war.

    ARTICLE 5. In order to establish in the Peninsula in the order of things which existed before the revolution of Cadiz, and to insure the entire execution of the articles of the present treaty, the high contracting parties give to each other the reciprocal assurance that as long as their views are not fulfilled, rejecting all other ideas of utility or other measure to be taken, they will address themselves with the shortest possible delay to all the authorities existing in their States and to all their agents in foreign countries, with the view to establish connections tending toward the accomplishment of the objects proposed by this treaty.

    ARTICLE 6. This treaty shall be renewed with such changes as new circumstances may give occasion for, either at a new congress or at the court of one of the contracting parties, as soon as the war with Spain shall be terminated.

    ARTICLE 7. The present treaty shall be ratified and the ratifications exchanged at Paris within the space of six months.

    Made at Verona the 22nd November, 1822.
    for Austria: METTERNICH
    for France: CHATEAUBRIAND
    for Prussia: BERNSTET
    for Russia: NESSELRODE

    I ask to have printed in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD this secret treaty, because I think it ought to be called now to the attention of the people of the United States and of the world. This evidence of the conflict between the rule of the few verses popular government should be emphasized on the minds of the people of the United States, that the conflict now waging throughout the world may be more clearly understood, for after all said the great pending war springs from the weakness and frailty of government by the few, where human error is far more probable than the error of the many where aggressive war is only permitted upon the authorizing vote of those whose lives are jeopardized in the trenches of modern war.

    Mr. SHAFROTH, Mr. President, I should like to have the senator state whether in that treaty there was not a coalition formed between the powerful countries of Europe to re-establish the sovereignty of Spain in the Republics of South and Central America?

    Senator Owen: "I was just going to comment upon that, and I am going to take but a few moments to do so because I realize the pressure of other matters. This Holy Alliance, having put a Bourdon prince upon the throne of France by force, then used France to suppress the condition of Spain, immediately afterwards, and by this very treaty gave her a subsidy of 20,000,000 francs annually to enable her to wage war upon the people of Spain and prevent their exercise of any measure of the right of self-government.

    The Holy Alliance immediately did not same thing in Italy, by sending Austrian troops to Italy, where the people there attempted to exercise a like measure of liberal constitutional self-government; and it was not until the printing press, which the Holy Alliance so stoutly opposed, taught the people of Europe the value of liberty that finally one country after another seized a greater and greater right of self-government, until now it may be fairly said that nearly all the nations of Europe have a very large measure of self-government. However, I wish to call the attention of the Senate to this important history in the growth of constitutional popular self-government.

    The Holy Alliance made its powers felt by the wholesale drastic suppression of the press in Europe, by universal censorship, by killing free speech and all ideas of popular rights, and by the complete suppression of popular government."

    "The Holy Alliance having destroyed popular government in Spain, and Italy, had well-laid plains also to destroy popular government in the American Colonies which had revolted from Spain and Portugal in Central and South America under the influence of the successful example of the United States."

    "It was because of this conspiracy against the American Republics by the European monarchies that the great English statesman, Canning, called the attention of our government to it, and our statesmen then, including Thomas Jefferson, who was still living at that time, took an active part to bring about the declaration by President Monroe in his next annual message to the Congress of the United States that the United States would regard it as an act of hostility to the government of the United States and an unfriendly act, if this coalition, or if any power of Europe ever undertook to establish upon the American continent any control of any American republic, or to acquire any territorial rights."

    "This is the so-called Monroe Doctrine. The threat under the secret treaty of Verona to suppress popular government in the American republics is the basis of the Monroe Doctrine. This secret treaty sets fourth clearly the conflict between monarchial government and popular government, and the government of the few as against the government on the many. It is a part, in reality, of developing popular sovereignty when we demand for women equal rights to life, to liberty, to the possession of property, to an equal voice in the making of the laws and the administration of the laws. This demand on the part of the women is made by men, and it ought to be made by men as well as by thinking, progressive women, as it will promote human liberty and human happiness. I sympathize with it, and I hope that all parties will in the national conventions give their approval to this larger measure of liberty to the better half of the human race".

    (Senator Owen, Congressional Record 1916)

    Has anyone actually read through this free online mini-book? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/red-letter-church-t1040.htm What is it about this material that got redletterchurch.net http://redletterchurch.net/ removed from the internet? I think I have a pretty good idea why - but I'm not going to spell it out. This Latter Day Reformation is highly heretical and dangerous - so proceed with caution. It's a real orthodoxymoron. I'm really trying to reform the Roman Catholic Church - as are probably tens of millions of others. One out of four people on the planet identify most closely with the RCC - and due to various types of cooperation and infiltration - probably another one out of four people on the planet are under the wings or control of Mother Church. This is just an uninformed estimate. So - despite the inroads of skepticism, nihilism, Protestantism, modernity, bad-publicity, damning scholarship, etc. - this organization is literally into virtually everything throughout the world - for both good and evil. The battle between good and evil may be most intensely fought within the Universal Church. The more I think about all of this - the less I think I really know. I'm just poking and prodding - as an outsider - in an attempt to get the insiders to try some solutions they might not have fully considered. But really - this material will probably only be read by a few people. I'm afraid to openly publish it - so I will continue to sneak around cyberspace - with guerilla warfare rather than trench warfare - in an eschatological exegetical game of hit and run. Don't taze me Father! Aaaarrrrrrgh!!!! Sedavacantists Unite!!!!!!

    I've been reading a book published in 1945, titled 'The Wine of Roman Babylon' by Mary Walsh. You Jesuits should have this one in your libraries, right next to 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White. I continue to be intrigued by cathedrals, classical sacred music, robes, processions, incense, and Latin - but I have HUGE problems with the symbolism and details of the mass (Latin or otherwise). http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1872714663680800365#docid=7583090662971128459 I like the idea of the Teachings of Jesus sung in Latin (alternatim) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDqL6pjpjY - with a homily based upon the Teachings of Jesus in the native tongue - in the middle of the service - with no communion, offering, crucifixes, Dagon fish-head headgear, or announcements - and with most of the lights turned off. Perhaps every service should be a candlelight service. Should the Teachings of Jesus replace Canon Law? Should the U.S. Constitution be the model for church governance? This is obviously damnable and reprehensible heresy - which is anathema - but could this be a legitimate foundation for a minimalist theocracy of sorts? I quit preaching - and went to meddling a long, long time ago. Can you imagine a priest or a pope talking like this??? What would Pope John Paul I say? What would Pat Condell say? What would Mary say? What would Jesus say? What would Rudolph Bultmann say? "Jesus loves me - this I doubt. Rudolph Bultmann found him out!" Sorry. I just couldn't resist. I learned that variation on "Jesus Loves Me" from a college theology student. "Holy, Holy, Holy - Lord's Got My Nitey!" Sorry. I'm on a roll. I learned that variation from a cathedral organist/choirmaster...

    One thing you should notice about my ranting and raving - is that I don't make it personal or nasty - and I don't think anyone is going to hell (temporary or eternal). I am simply concerned with the quality of life and governance issues in this solar system. Now I'm going to watch 'Angels and Demons' (for the first time). For me - this subject is like reading a mystery novel. It's just sort of an interesting adventure. I know that it's a lot more serious than that - but I try to keep things light. I would be very, very respectful and polite if I met the Pope or the Jesuit General - but I wouldn't say 'Your Holiness' or 'The Holy Father'. I'd probably simply say 'Father' - even though some say that we shouldn't even say that. I'm really on everyone's side - even the really b@d@$$ humans and non-humans - who I wish to see temporarily removed - but not hurt or destroyed. I know that I'm way too easy and forgiving - but I'm really trying to break the endless cycle of conquest and revenge.


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    Re: The Jesuits

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:09 am

    The following quoted text is from a book titled 'The Great Controversy' (pgs. 563-577) by Ellen G. White - published in 1888. The subject is Roman Catholicism - which I have a love/hate relationship with. I don't agree with everything quoted below - but every word should be grappled with. I am looking for a big-tent solution - which does not involve peace at any price. Again - I am trying to unite the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, and the Latin Mass. I will attempt an analysis of this material in the next post. I am not trying to stir things up. I am trying to resolve things. Some might say that this constitutes hate-speech - but I include it to state the historical problem - which many think is a continuing problem. To solve a problem - one must understand the problem. There is a story - and I can't locate the source - which describes 'The Great Controversy' being torn in two (the hard way) by unseen hands! Could the chief administrator of the Roman Catholic Church be The Queen of Heaven? Could this be the 'Whore of Babylon' - rather than the RCC? See - I'm thinking that the RCC might have to deal with more secret and hidden problems than we can possibly imagine. I just watched 'Stargate Continuum' - and the scene where Ba'al and Katesh aka Vala are in their spaceship - and are preparing to attack and enslave Earth - particularly impressed me. Might the RCC have had to deal with something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyKy8_sF4xY Could there be a real-life Katesh (Vala) aka Queen of Heaven - who controls us by controlling the Roman Catholic Church? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU Please don't consider this post to be hateful on my part. I'm just trying to understand. BTW - are there any Jesuits out there who can point me to a book or website - from the Roman Catholic perspective - which analyzes 'The Great Contoversy' - from cover to cover? I know all about the Plagiarism and Investigative Judgment problems. I also know that most Jesuits have read this book from cover to cover - and have it in their libraries. Here is a possible positive future for the Queen of Heaven. http://www.hulu.com/watch/108637/stargate-sg-1-the-powers-that-be I'm a real Pain in Uranus - aren't I?

    "Romanism is now regarded by Protestants with far greater favor than in former years. In those countries where Catholicism is not in the ascendency, and the papists are taking a conciliatory course in order to gain influence, there is an increasing indifference concerning the doctrines that separate the reformed churches from the papal hierarchy; the opinion is gaining ground, that, after all, we do not differ so widely upon vital points as has been supposed, and that a little concession on our part will bring us into a better understanding with Rome. The time was when Protestants placed a high value upon the liberty of conscience which has been so dearly purchased. They taught their children to abhor popery, and held that to seek harmony with Rome would be disloyalty to God. But how widely different are the sentiments now expressed.

    The defenders of popery declare that the church has been maligned; and the Protestant world are inclined to accept the statement. Many urge that it is unjust to judge the church of today by the abominations and absurdities that marked her reign during the centuries of ignorance and darkness. They excuse her horrible cruelty as the result of the barbarism of the times, and plead that the influence of modern civilization has changed her sentiments.

    Have these persons forgotten the claim of infallibility put forth for eight hundred years by this haughty power? So far from being relinquished, this claim has been affirmed in the nineteenth century with greater positiveness than ever before. As Rome asserts that she “never erred, and never can err,“ how can she renounce the principles which governed her course in past ages?

    The papal church will never relinquish her claim to infallibility. All that she has done in her persecution of those who reject her dogmas, she holds to be right; and would she not repeat the same acts, should the opportunity be presented? Let the restraints now imposed by secular governments be removed, and Rome be re-instated in her former power, and there would speedily be a revival of her tyranny and persecution.

    A recent writer [Josiah Strong, D.D., In “Our Country,” pp. 46-48.] speaks thus of the attitude of the papal hierarchy as regards freedom of conscience, and of the perils which especially threaten the United States from the success of her policy:—

    “There are many who are disposed to attribute any fear of Roman Catholicism in the United States to bigotry or childishness. Such see nothing in the character and attitude of Romanism that is hostile to our free institutions, or find nothing portentous in its growth. Let us, then, first compare some of the fundamental principles of our government with those of the Catholic Church.

    “The Constitution of the United States guarantees liberty of conscience. Nothing is dearer or more fundamental. Pope Pius IX., in his Encyclical Letter of August 15, 1854, said: ‘The absurd and erroneous doctrines or ravings in defense of liberty of conscience, are a most pestilential error—a pest, of all others, most to be dreaded in a State.’ The same pope, in his Encyclical Letter of December 8, 1864, anathematized ‘those who assert the liberty of conscience and of religious worship,’ also ‘all such as maintain that the church may not employ force.’

    “The pacific tone of Rome in the United States does not imply a change of heart. She is tolerant where she is helpless. Says Bishop O’Connor: ‘Religious liberty is merely endured until the opposite can be carried into effect without peril to the Catholic world.’” “The archbishop of St. Louis once said: ‘Heresy and unbelief are crimes; and in Christian countries, as in Italy and Spain, for instance, where all the people are Catholics, and where the Catholic religion is an essential part of the law of the land, they are punished as other crimes.’”

    “Every cardinal, archbishop, and bishop in the Catholic Church takes an oath of allegiance to the pope, in which occur the following words: ‘Heretics, schismatics, and rebels to our said lord the pope, or his aforesaid successors, I will to my utmost persecute and oppose.’”

    It is true that there are real Christians in the Roman Catholic communion. Thousands in that church are serving God according to the best light they have. They are not allowed access to his Word, and therefore they do not discern the truth. They have never seen the contrast between a living heart-service and a round of mere forms and ceremonies. God looks with pitying tenderness upon these souls, educated as they are in a faith that is delusive and unsatisfying. He will cause rays of light to penetrate the dense darkness that surrounds them. He will reveal to them the truth, as it is in Jesus, and many will yet take their position with his people.

    But Romanism as a system is no more in harmony with the gospel of Christ now than at any former period in her history. The Protestant churches are in great darkness, or they would discern the signs of the times. The Roman Church is far-reaching in her plans and modes of operation. She is employing every device to extend her influence and increase her power in preparation for a fierce and determined conflict to regain control of the world, to re-establish persecution, and to undo all that Protestantism has done. Catholicism is gaining ground upon every side. [See Appendix, Note 10.] See the increasing number of her churches and chapels in Protestant countries. Look at the popularity of her colleges and seminaries in America, so widely patronized by Protestants Look at the growth of ritualism in England, and the frequent defections to the ranks of the Catholics. These things should awaken the anxiety of all who prize the pure principles of the gospel.

    Protestants have tampered with and patronized popery; they have made compromises and concessions which papists themselves are surprised to see, and fail to understand. Men are closing their eyes to the real character of Romanism, and the dangers to be apprehended from her supremacy. The people need to be aroused to resist the advances of this most dangerous foe to civil and religious liberty.

    Many Protestants suppose that the Catholic religion is unattractive, and that its worship is a dull, meaningless round of ceremony. Here they mistake. While Romanism is based upon deception, it is not a coarse and clumsy imposture. The religious service of the Romish Church is a most impressive ceremonial. Its gorgeous display and solemn rites fascinate the senses of the people, and silence the voice of reason and of conscience. The eye is charmed. Magnificent churches, imposing processions, golden altars, jeweled shrines, choice paintings, and exquisite sculpture appeal to the love of beauty. The ear also is captivated. The music is unsurpassed. The rich notes of the deep-toned organ, blending with the melody of many voices as it swells through the lofty domes and pillared aisles of her grand cathedrals, cannot fail to impress the mind with awe and reverence.

    This outward splendor, pomp, and ceremony, that only mocks the longings of the sin-sick soul, is an evidence of inward corruption. The religion of Christ needs not such attractions to recommend it. In the light shining from the cross, true Christianity appears so pure and lovely that no external decorations can enhance its true worth. It is the beauty of holiness, a meek and quiet spirit, which is of value with God.

    Brilliancy of style is not necessarily an index of pure, elevated thought. High conceptions of art, delicate refinement of taste, often exist in minds that are earthly and sensual. They are often employed by Satan to lead men to forget the necessities of the soul, to lose sight of the future, immortal life, to turn away from their infinite Helper, and to live for this world alone.

    A religion of externals is attractive to the unrenewed heart. The pomp and ceremony of the Catholic worship have a seductive, bewitching power, by which many are deceived; and they come to look upon the Roman Church as the very gate of Heaven. None but those who have planted their feet firmly upon the foundation of truth, and whose hearts are renewed by the Spirit of God, are proof against her influence. Thousands who have not an experimental knowledge of Christ will be led to accept the forms of godliness without the power. Such a religion is just what the multitudes desire.

    The church’s claim to the right to pardon, causes the Romanist to feel at liberty to sin; and the ordinance of confession, without which her pardon is not granted, tends also to give license to evil. He who kneels before fallen man, and opens in confession the secret thoughts and imaginations of his heart, is debasing his manhood, and degrading every noble instinct of his soul. In unfolding the sins of his life to a priest,—an erring, sinful mortal, and too often corrupted with wine and licentiousness,—his standard of character is lowered, and he is defiled in consequence. His thought of God is degraded to the likeness of fallen humanity; for the priest stands as a representative of God. This degrading confession of man to man is the secret spring from which has flowed much of the evil that is defiling the world, and fitting it for the final destruction. Yet to him who loves self-indulgence, it is more pleasing to confess to a fellow-mortal than to open the soul to God. It is more palatable to human nature to do penance than to renounce sin; it is easier to mortify the flesh by sackcloth and nettles and galling chains than to crucify fleshly lusts. Heavy is the yoke which the carnal heart is willing to bear rather than bow to the yoke of Christ.

    There is a striking similarity between the Church of Rome and the Jewish Church at the time of Christ’s first advent. While the Jews secretly trampled upon every principle of the law of God, they were outwardly rigorous in the observance of its precepts, loading it down with exactions and traditions that made obedience painful and burdensome. As the Jews professed to revere the law, so do Romanists claim to reverence the cross. They exalt the symbol of Christ’s sufferings, while in their lives they deny him whom it represents.

    Papists place crosses upon their churches, upon their altars, and upon their garments. Everywhere is seen the insignia of the cross. Everywhere it is outwardly honored and exalted. But the teachings of Christ are buried beneath a mass of senseless traditions, false interpretations, and rigorous exactions. The Saviour’s words concerning the bigoted Jews, apply with still greater force to the Romish leaders: “They bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.” [Matthew 23.] Conscientious souls are kept in constant terror, fearing the wrath of an offended God, while the dignitaries of the church are living in luxury and sensual pleasure.

    The worship of images and relics, the invocation of saints, and the exaltation of the pope, are devices of Satan to attract the minds of the people from God and from his Son. To accomplish their ruin, he endeavors to turn their attention from Him through whom alone they can find salvation. He will direct them to any object that can be substituted for the One who has said, “Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” [Matthew 11.]

    It is Satan’s constant effort to misrepresent the character of God, the nature of sin, and the real issues at stake in the great controversy. His sophistry lessens the obligation of the divine law, and gives men license to sin. At the same time he causes them to cherish false conceptions of God, so that they regard him with fear and hate, rather than with love. The cruelty inherent in his own character is attributed to the Creator; it is embodied in systems of religion, and expressed in modes of worship. Thus the minds of men are blinded, and Satan secures them as his agents to war against God. By perverted conceptions of the divine attributes, heathen nations were led to believe human sacrifices necessary to secure the favor of Deity; and horrible cruelties have been perpetrated under the various forms of idolatry. The Romish Church, uniting the forms of paganism and Christianity, and, like paganism, misrepresenting the character of God, has resorted to practices no less cruel and revolting. In the days of Rome’s supremacy, there were instruments of torture to compel assent to her doctrines. There was the stake for those who would not concede to her claims. There were massacres on a scale that will never be known until revealed in the Judgment. Dignitaries of the church studied, under Satan their master, to invent means to cause the greatest possible torture, and not end the life of their victim. The infernal process was repeated to the utmost limit of human endurance, until nature gave up the struggle, and the sufferer hailed death as a sweet release. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY

    Such was the fate of Rome’s opponents. For her adherents she had the discipline of the scourge, of famishing hunger, of bodily austerities in every conceivable, heartsickening form. To secure the favor of Heaven, penitents violated the laws of God by violating the laws of nature. They were taught to sunder every tie which he has formed to bless and gladden man’s earthly sojourn. The churchyard contains millions of victims, who spent their lives in vain endeavors to subdue their natural affections, to repress, as offensive to God, every thought and feeling of sympathy with their fellow-creatures.

    If we desire to understand the determined cruelty of Satan, manifested for hundreds of years, not among those who never heard of God, but in the very heart and throughout the extent of Christendom, we have only to look at the history of Romanism. Through this mammoth system of deception the prince of evil achieves his purpose of bringing dishonor to God and wretchedness to man. And as we see how he succeeds in disguising himself, and accomplishing his work through the leaders of the church, we may better understand why he has so great antipathy to the Bible. If that book is read, the mercy and love of God will be revealed; it will be seen that he lays upon men none of these heavy burdens. All that he asks is a broken and contrite heart, a humble, obedient spirit.

    Christ gives no example in his life for men and women to shut themselves in monasteries in order to become fitted for Heaven. He has never taught that love and sympathy must be repressed. The Saviour’s heart overflowed with love. The nearer man approaches to moral perfection, the keener are his sensibilities, the more acute is his perception of sin, and the deeper his sympathy for the afflicted. The pope claims to be the vicar of Christ; but how does his character bear comparison with that of our Saviour? Was Christ ever known to consign men to the prison or the rack because they did not pay him homage as the King of Heaven? Was his voice heard condemning to death those who did not accept him? When he was slighted by the people of a Samaritan village, the apostle John was filled with indignation, and inquired, “Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?” Jesus looked with pity upon his disciple, and rebuked his harsh spirit, saying, “The Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” [Luke 9, 56.] How different from the spirit manifested by Christ is that of his professed vicar.

    The Romish Church now presents a fair front to the world, covering with apologies her record of horrible cruelties. She has clothed herself in Christ-like garments; but she is unchanged. Every principle of popery that existed in past ages exists today. The doctrines devised in the darkest ages are still held. Let none deceive themselves. The popery that Protestants are now so ready to honor is the same that ruled the world in the days of the Reformation, when men of God stood up, at the peril of their lives, to expose her iniquity. She possesses the same pride and arrogant assumption that lorded it over kings and princes, and claimed the prerogatives of God. Her spirit is no less cruel and despotic now than when she crushed out human liberty, and slew the saints of the Most High.

    Popery is just what prophecy declared that she would be, the apostasy of the latter times. [2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4.] It is a part of her policy to assume the character which will best accomplish her purpose; but beneath the variable appearance of the chameleon, she conceals the invariable venom of the serpent. “We are not bound to keep faith and promises to heretics,” She declares. Shall this power, whose record for a thousand years is written in the blood of the saints, be now acknowledged as a part of the church of Christ?

    It is not without reason that the claim has been put forth in Protestant countries, that Catholicism differs less widely from Protestantism than in former times. There has been a change; but the change is not in the papacy. Catholicism indeed resembles much of the Protestantism that now exists, because Protestantism has so greatly degenerated since the days of the reformers.

    As the Protestant churches have been seeking the favor of the world, false charity has blinded their eyes. They do not see but that it is right to believe good of all evil; and as the inevitable result, they will finally believe evil of all good. Instead of standing in defense of the faith once delivered to the saints, they are now, as it were, apologizing to Rome for their uncharitable opinion of her, begging pardon for their bigotry.

    A large class, even of those who look upon Romanism with no favor, apprehend little danger from her power and influence. Many urge that the intellectual and moral darkness prevailing during the Middle Ages favored the spread of her dogmas, superstitions, and oppression, and that the greater intelligence of modern times, the general diffusion of knowledge, and the increasing liberality in matters of religion, forbid a revival of intolerance and tyranny. The very thought that such a state of things will exist in this enlightened age is ridiculed. It is true that great light, intellectual, moral, and religious, is shining upon this generation. In the open pages of God’s holy Word, light from Heaven has been shed upon the world. But it should be remembered that the greater the light bestowed, the greater the darkness of those who pervert or reject it.

    A prayerful study of the Bible would show Protestants the real character of the papacy, and would cause them to abhor and to shun it; but many are so wise in their own conceit that they feel no need of humbly seeking God that they may be led into the truth. Although priding themselves on their enlightenment, they are ignorant both of the Scriptures and of the power of God. They must have some means of quieting their consciences; and they seek that which is least spiritual and humiliating. What they desire is a method of forgetting God which shall pass as a method of remembering him. The papacy is well adapted to meet the wants of all these. It is prepared for two classes of mankind, embracing nearly the whole world,—those who would be saved by their merits, and those who would be saved in their sins. Here is the secret of its power.

    A day of great intellectual darkness has been shown to be favorable to the success of popery. It will yet be demonstrated that a day of great intellectual light is equally favorable for its success. In past ages, when men were without God’s Word, and without the knowledge of the truth, their eyes were blindfolded, and thousands were ensnared, not seeing the net spread for their feet. In this generation there are many whose eyes become dazzled by the glare of human speculations, “science falsely so-called;” they discern not the net, and walk into it as readily as if blindfolded. God designed that man’s intellectual powers should be held as a gift from his Maker, and should be employed in the service of truth and righteousness; but when pride and ambition are cherished, and men exalt their own theories above the Word of God, then intelligence can accomplish greater harm than ignorance. Thus the false science of the nineteenth century, which undermines faith in the Bible, will prove as successful in preparing the way for the acceptance of the papacy, with its pleasing forms, as did the withholding of knowledge in opening the way for its aggrandizement in the Dark Ages.

    In the movements now in progress in the United States to secure for the institutions and usages of the church the support of the State, Protestants are following in the steps of papists. [See Appendix, Note 11.] Nay, more, they are opening the door for popery to regain in Protestant America the supremacy which she has lost in the Old World. And that which gives greater significance to this movement is the fact that the principal object contemplated is the enforcement of Sunday observance,—a custom which originated with Rome, and which she claims as the sign of her authority. It is the spirit of the papacy,—the spirit of conformity to worldly customs, the veneration for human traditions above the commandments of God,—that is permeating the Protestant churches, and leading them on to do the same work of Sunday exaltation which the papacy has done before them.

    If the reader would understand the agencies to be employed in the soon-coming contest, he has but to trace the record of the means which Rome employed for the same object in ages past. If he would know how papists and Protestants united will deal with those who reject their dogmas, let him see the spirit which Rome manifested toward the Sabbath and its defenders.

    Royal edicts, general councils, and church ordinances sustained by secular power, were the steps by which the pagan festival attained its position of honor in the Christian world. The first public measure enforcing Sunday observance was the law enacted by Constantine. [A. D. 321.] This edict required townspeople to rest on “the venerable day of the sun,” but permitted countrymen to continue their agricultural pursuits. Though virtually a heathen statute, it was enforced by the emperor after his nominal acceptance of Christianity.

    The royal mandate not proving a sufficient substitute for divine authority, Eusebius, a bishop who sought the favor of princes, and who was the special friend and flatterer of Constantine, advanced the claim that Christ had transferred the Sabbath to Sunday. Not a single testimony of the Scriptures was produced in proof of the new doctrine. Eusebius himself unwittingly acknowledges its falsity, and points to the real authors of the change. “All things,” he says, “whatsoever that it was duty to do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord’s day.” But the Sunday argument, groundless as it was, served to embolden men in trampling upon the Sabbath of the Lord. All who desired to be honored by the world accepted the popular festival.

    As the papacy became firmly established, the work of Sunday exaltation was continued. For a time the people engaged in agricultural labor when not attending church, and the seventh day was still regarded as the Sabbath. But steadily a change was effected. Those in holy office were forbidden to pass judgment in any civil controversy on the Sunday. Soon after, all persons, of whatever rank, were commanded to refrain from common labor, on pain of a fine for freemen, and stripes in the case of servants. Later it was decreed, that rich men should be punished with the loss of half of their estates; and finally, that if still obstinate they should be made slaves. The lower classes were to suffer perpetual banishment.

    Miracles also were called into requisition. Among other wonders it was reported that as a husbandman who was about to plow his field on Sunday, cleaned his plow with an iron, the iron stuck fast in his hand, and for two years he carried it about with him, “to his exceeding great pain and shame.”

    Later, the pope gave directions that the parish priest should admonish the violators of Sunday, and wish them to go to church and say their prayers, lest they bring some great calamity on themselves and neighbors. An ecclesiastical council brought forward the argument, since so widely employed, even by Protestants, that because persons had been struck by lightning while laboring on Sunday, it must be the Sabbath. “It is apparent,” said the prelates, “how high the displeasure of God was upon their neglect of this day.” An appeal was then made that priests and ministers, kings and princes, and all faithful people, “use their utmost endeavors and care that the day be restored to its honor, and, for the credit of Christianity, more devoutly observed for time to come.”

    The decrees of councils proving insufficient, the secular authorities were besought to issue an edict that would strike terror to the hearts of the people, and force them to refrain from labor on the Sunday. At a synod held in Rome, all previous decisions were reaffirmed with greater force and solemnity. They were also incorporated into the ecclesiastical law, and enforced by the civil authorities throughout nearly all Christendom.

    Still the absence of scriptural authority for Sunday-keeping occasioned no little embarrassment. The people questioned the right of their teachers to set aside the positive declaration of Jehovah, “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God,” in order to honor the day of the sun. To supply the lack of Bible testimony, other expedients were necessary. A zealous advocate of Sunday, who about the close of the twelfth century visited the churches of England, was resisted by faithful witnesses for the truth; and so fruitless were his efforts that he departed from the country for a season, and cast about him for some means to enforce his teachings. When he returned, the lack was supplied, and in his after-labors he met with greater success. He brought with him a roll purporting to be from God himself, which contained the needed command for Sunday observance, with awful threats to terrify the disobedient. This precious document—as base a counterfeit as the institution it supported—was said to have fallen from Heaven, and to have been found in Jerusalem, upon the altar of St. Simeon, in Golgotha. But in fact, the pontifical palace at Rome was the source whence it proceeded. Frauds and forgeries to advance the power and prosperity of the church have in all ages been esteemed lawful by the papal hierarchy.

    The roll forbade labor from the ninth hour, three o’clock, on Saturday afternoon, till sunrise on Monday; and its authority was declared to be confirmed by many miracles. It was reported that persons laboring beyond the appointed hour were stricken with paralysis. A Miller who attempted to grind his corn, saw, instead of flour, a torrent of blood come forth, and the mill-wheel stood still, notwithstanding the strong rush of the water. A woman who placed dough in the oven, found it raw when taken out, though the oven was very hot. Another who had dough prepared for baking at the ninth hour, but determined to set it aside till Monday, found, the next day, that it had been made into loaves and baked by divine power. A man who baked bread after the ninth hour on Saturday, found, when he broke it the next morning, that blood started therefrom. By such absurd and superstitious fabrications did the advocates of Sunday endeavor to establish its sacredness."


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    Historically, the content of this thread would be considered to be an attack on the church - with very serious consequences - openly or clandestinely. I'm really not sure where the church is at presently, regarding all of this. My tone is not hostile - but the material is highly heretical and extremely dangerous. A Backslidden Protestant, who is trying to reinvent the Roman Catholic Church, is probably not a particularly welcome development for the church. But really, all they are facing presently are problems and negativity - so I shouldn't be of any particular concern to them - especially if I stick to small forums such as MOA. An Episcopal Vicar once told me that he didn't object to basic Roman Catholicism - but that they did it in a shoddy way. I think that church history is a total mess and a complete disaster - but where do we go from here? What would you say and do if it were up to you to reform the church? It's a very, very sensitive and tricky enterprise - to start meddling with how people pray. All I know - is that I am trying to create an imaginary ecumenical religion for myself. It's not going real well - but I'm trying. Here are my

    9.5 Theses:

    1. Replace Canon Law with the Teachings of Jesus.

    2. Institute a Modified Latin Mass (with no communion - emphasizing the remembrance of Christ and His Teachings - rather than His Sacrifice) - offering Masses seven days a week - with no preference regarding the day or days of attendance.

    3. Base All Homilies, Theology, and Ritual Upon the Teachings of Jesus.

    4. Eliminate Penance and Confession (replacing both with psychological and spiritual counseling).

    5. Allow Women to be Priests and Popes (and eliminate all blasphemous titles).

    6. Allow Priests to Marry and Popes to Marry.

    7. Eliminate Most Crucifixes (The bloody, dying, and mostly naked Jesus should not be paraded and displayed).

    8. Be Completely Honest Regarding the History of the Church, the World, the Solar System, the Galaxy, and the Universe.

    9. Institute a Program of Responsible Reproduction (lifting the ban on birth-control).

    9.5. Base Civil and Church Governance on the U.S. Constitution.


    ORTHODOXYMORON GUIDESTONE:

    1. BASE THIS SOLAR SYSTEM UPON RESPONSIBILITY AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

    2. MAINTAIN AN EARTH HUMAN POPULATION OF FOUR BILLION (TWO BILLION SURFACE - TWO BILLION SUBSURFACE) AND FOUR BILLION THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM (MOSTLY SUBSURFACE).

    3. BASE PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND SPIRITUAL HEALTH UPON PREVENTION.

    4. MAINTAIN A PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT.

    5. USE ELECTRICAL POWER FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING, AND UTILIZE MAGNETO-LEVITON TRAINS FOR MOST GLOBAL TRANSPORTATION.

    Here I Stand (or perhaps I should run).


    How were so many magnificent churches, organs, and pieces of music created - so long ago? They are inspiring - but there is a creepy side to them as well. What presence lurks within them? Do they really fit with the Life and Teachings of Jesus - or are they derived from another source - possibly the same source which produced the pyramids and other ancient architectural and artistic wonders throughout the world? I find it helpful to listen to this sort of music while reading about that which we discuss on this site. Finally - I keep thinking that the Queen of Heaven had something to do with all of this. Lucifer was supposedly the Minister of Music in Heaven prior to the Luciferian Rebellion. I have speculated that Lucifer and the Queen of Heaven might be the same being - or at least similar in nature. This is just more pseudo-intellectual venturing by an egotistical ignoramus.

    Saint Ouen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_St._Ouen,_Rouen

    1. Images http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS216US217&q=st+ouen+church+images&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=jAb2TOXQGoT0tgPg_anlCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQsAQwAA

    2. Boellmann http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueU4CDjn3v0

    3. Widor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmjpkvXbyII&feature=related

    4. Saint Saens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pny-Ily4SbE&feature=related

    5. Vierne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCsnSXRpXug&feature=related

    6. Widor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWsDk77nBwg&feature=related

    7. Mulet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related

    8. Vierne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE2aC8Vefjw&feature=related

    9. Widor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsyR40G2BeU&feature=related

    10. Widor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BxHcPcTyTU&feature=related

    Saint Sulpice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89glise_Saint-Sulpice,_Paris

    1. Images http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS216US217&q=st+sulpice+images&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=xgn2TPfxBYGCsQOU_LDwAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQsAQwAA

    2. Vierne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZE2bEzeVw&feature=related

    3. Dupre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBxZQfrTTQ&feature=related

    4. Dupre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOnr5uhoPlE&feature=related

    5. Dupre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcMtB27z7E&feature=related

    6. Dupre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&feature=related

    7. Dupre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHOfP4MEfc&feature=related

    8. Dupre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X6cZfy9uR0

    9. Dupre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqbee8cRyw&feature=related

    10. Dupre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tmnWhaQC4c&feature=related

    The time of the cathedrals may have arrived. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L24vaxNH91w&feature=related

    Latin Masses:

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE

    2. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1872714663680800365#docid=-4310737114054240867

    3. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1872714663680800365#docid=7583090662971128459

    4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uXURX5y4eE

    5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtk7D1pcwZY&feature=related

    6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw

    7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM&feature=related

    8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueU4CDjn3v0

    Latin Mass Society of England and Wales http://www.latin-mass-society.org/

    LatinMass.org http://www.latinmass.org/

    Latin Mass Magazine http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/

    Latin Mass Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tridentine_Mass

    In a sense...a Government is a Church...and a Church is a Government. They are two sides of the same coin. The question is 'What is the nature of the Church and the Government?' A "Constitutional Theocracy is a form of government in which within the context of a modern democracy a particular religion is granted a central role in the legal and political system. In contrast to a pure theocracy, power resides in political figures operating within the bounds of a constitution, rather than religious leadership. A form of government (also referred to as a system of government or a political system) is a system composed of various people, institutions and their relations in regard to the governance of a state. ... Theocracy is a form of government in which a religion and the government are intertwined..." http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Constitutional-theocracy Could the United States of America be under a Constitutional Theocracy presently? Could the United States of America have always been under such a Constitutional Theocracy? See Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Was the 1954 Greada treaty simply an extension of this hypothetical Constitutional Theocracy? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm Is the U.N. Charter superceding the U.S. Constitution a further expansion of a Constitutional Theocracy? To stop preaching...and go to meddling...How would the Roman Catholic Church function if it were based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and was in complete harmony with the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Teachings of Jesus? Would a Pope be elected by the general membership every four years? Would the Teachings of Jesus, the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Will of the People...supercede Canon Law, the Curia, the Pope, the Black Pope (and whoever the Black Pope takes orders from)? Would this create chaos...or would it minimize evil and corruption? For Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to work...the Roman Catholic Church would have to go along with it...and looking at history...this would be nearly impossible. The RCC is the biggest 'We Never Change Church' imaginable. The Sirius Powers That Be would have to order it done...or it would be a non-starter. For Sirius (and Alpha Draconis?) to sign-off on this...We the People of Earth would have to exhibit a significant level of Knowledge and Responsibility. There is presently a Forbidden Knowledge Explosion...and the BIG question is 'Will We the People of Earth Respond Responsibly?' How about a non-penetential and non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity? Now I'm really meddling! I'm an abominable heretic...yet I prefer the glory, grandeur, reverence, and awe of the traditional service...rather than the 'Jesus is my buddy, show-up in shorts and a t-shirt, praise-song, hippie reefer-madness'.

    Danger! Danger! Will Robinson! Danger! This is merely a brainstorm. Here goes.

    1. Combine the St. Mary's Cathedral Roman Catholic Church (San Francisco, CA) congregation with the Grace Cathedral Episcopal Church (San Francisco, CA) congregation - at Grace Cathedral. Hold separate Roman Catholic and Episcopal services - as well as joint non-sacrificial, non-penetential Ecumenical Namste Latin Mass services - while maintaining separate administrations and leadership.

    2. Deconsecrate St. Mary's Cathedral - and convert it into the new headquarters for a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System. I believe the seating capacity is around 2,500 - so with 10,000 representatives - one in four would attend meetings - while the others would participate electronically - for logistical and security purposes. The United Nations was born in San Francisco - so why not hatch the new Solar System here as well?!

    3. Finish Grace Cathedral - ceiling, additional parking, etc. Replace the 1974 Casavant addition to the G. Donald Harrison, Aeolian Skinner pipe-organ with the four manual Reiger pipe-organ (French Romantic tonal design) from Pacific Union College (Angwin, CA) - and move the Casavant to P.U.C. - giving A.D.R.A. a generous ten million dollar donation - cover all moving and installation costs - and donate two million dollars to a needy-student fund at P.U.C. Don't get mad at me! Remember - this is just a brainstorm.

    There's a lot more to my proposal than one might think. St. Mary's Cathedral is really cool - but it doesn't really look like, or feel like, a church. Grace Cathedral looks and feels like a church - in the Roman Catholic and Anglican tradition. Consolidation of expenses would result in HUGE savings to both congregations. This would also be an experiment in ecumenism. I knew a ship captain, who as a young Roman Catholic student - interviewed Bishop James Pike - at Grace Cathedral. The Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System idea would be an experiment, as well. It would start out without a lot of authority - as sort of a dry-run, to get things up and running - and then when it was properly primed - it would go live. The organ transplant would make so much sense. A Stanford DMA organist gave me the idea. We are both tracker-backers. I think Angela is too! The P.U.C. organ is magnificent - but the building sucks! Plus, the organ sticks out like an erected organ - visually, and with reference to the original mission of the SDA church. There's a time and a place for everything. I worry about corrupt and cruel centralized secular and sacred leadership - but I really do seek the right kind of unity - without peace at any price. I love the artistic aspects of the traditional church - but theologically and politically, I think we need to move on.

    What would Harriet Crocker Alexander say? What would Monseigneur Bowe say? What would Pope John Paul I say? What would Mother Teresa say? What would the Queen of Heaven say? What would Ellen White say? What would SaLuSa say? What would Monka do? What would Jesus do? Any questions?

    My speaking positively regarding Latin Masses, Classical Sacred Music, and the Teachings of Jesus - does not mean that I'm ready to jump into bed with Mother Church. I'm more Protestant than Protestantism. I seek nothing less than the complete purification, reformation, and liberation of the Roman Catholic Church. I truly see a bright future for the church - but the coming years may be extremely painful for everyone - including me. I used to think that the Second Coming of Christ would solve everything - and that we good people would go to Heaven - while the bad people burned. I don't think this way anymore. I think we will have to stay here in this solar system - reincarnating endlessly - and somehow make things work out reasonably well for everyone. We will have to make our bed - and sleep in it - whether we like it, or not. This is simply a brain-storm. This is simply something to think about. This is simply an attempt to create a Spiritual Switzerland.

    This is just a request to any governments, factions, or individuals - human or otherwise - to not do anything violent or destructive. We can argue, fuss, and fume - and try to work things out - but violence and destruction are not solutions. They simply create more problems. If there are too many people - we can institute a program of responsible reproduction. Undesirables can be educated and reformed into being desirables. Please consider evolutionary changes - rather than revolutionary changes. Human history is full of death, destruction, and incomprehensible stupidity. This needs to change - starting right now. Have a terrific day Satan, Lucifer, Gods, Goddesses, Angels, Demons, Archangels, Illuminati, Megalomaniacs, Reptilians, Greys, et al. I'd like to meet all of you when this mess gets resolved. We need a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System based on the U.S. Constitution and Teachings of Jesus (Responsibility).

    So - Lucifer - are you male or female? Who are you - really? Where do you spend most of your time? What the hell are you doing? Or - do you even exist? Is there really just a Council of Ten - or something like that - which rules the solar system? I keep talking about 10,000 representatives - of all nations and races - from throughout the solar system - as an ideal number - for a non-corrupt and organized-decentralized solar system government. But is this too many? What is the ideal method of solar system governance? Perhaps I have not carefully considered ALL of the possibilities, before arriving at my present biases and conclusions. Perhaps I should contemplate the general subject of solar system governance - rather than focusing on a particular type of solar system governance. Or - should I just shut-up, and not even think about it? Is 'One Nation Under Satan' the way things have always been - and always will be? Is everything else simply an illusion, and wishful thinking? Is the whole damn thing set in concrete? We're supposed to take 'baby-steps' - but if we can't see the big-picture - how are we supposed to know which direction to take these 'baby-steps'? This whole thing seems like a sick nightmare of a joke. Mumbo-Jumbo and BS are everywhere. What a mess!! So - when do we get the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Or - is the truth so bad - that we would all commit suicide? How should one properly communicate with whoever the hell is running this $crewed-up solar system? Is anybody out there? Anyone???

    You know - I'm just going to imagine that The United States of the Solar System is already a reality - and that 2,500 of the 10,000 representatives meet every day at St. Mary's Cathedral, in San Francisco. I'll imagine that UFO's occasionally land on the premises - transporting representatives to and from the various moons and planets of the solar system. Am I walking into an ambush with this sort of thinking? Am I playing into the Deception of the Millenium? I'm just asking the Solar System PTB and Galactic PTB to read through this thread - to at least get a feel for what the Thoughtful Goyim are thinking these days. I will continue to communicate my delusional thinking to maybe a dozen people on this website. Perhaps something constructive will come of it.

    Freedom is key - and the key to freedom is responsibility. These two words should be studied endlessly. A constitution which maximizes freedom and responsibility should be sought - and Comparative Constitutions should also be an ongoing and relentless study. There probably is some sort of a dictatorial Council of Ten - with a ten-foot tall Drac serving as chairman of the board - because We the People are too irresponsible to govern ourselves. I'm pi$$ed-off at everyone - especially myself. I think we can all do a helluva lot better. This is probably the crazy-stage - where people are being hit with all sorts of controversial and conflicting information and concepts - of which probably 20% is actually true or constructive. If we survive this stage - then perhaps we can put together a more rational solar system view, and solar system governance. If I really spoke with Lucifer - they would probably point out how stupid and gullible we are - and why we are being ruled by secrecy, deception, manipulation, force, violence, etc. Lucifer might be a Devil - but we probably have what we deserve. Hopefully things will change for the better, sometime soon.

    I think we are too easy AND too harsh on ourselves. We treat ourselves and each other inappropriately. I think we are where we are by both choice and circumstance. I think we have been lied to and manipulated - but that we have allowed ourselves to be led around by the hooks in our noses. The past may have passed - but we need to study the past endlessly - or we will keep making the same stupid mistakes over and over again. It matters what we think AND what others think. Our thinking affects others. People suffer the consequences of our actions all the time. We are all interrelated - whether we like it, or not.

    I keep thinking that the editorial bias of this thread will be implemented - and then that the crushing weight of responsibility will be too much to bear - and that the universe will laugh in our faces when we REALLY $crew things up - and start begging for divine intervention. I sometimes think that no matter what we do - things will turn out badly. I guess I see nothing but trouble in our immediate future. But we should still do the right thing - no matter what. We should stand for the right - though the heavens fall - and they probably will fall - causing Atlas to drop the ball - and shrug. What would Ayn Rand say?

    World Without End.

    Amen.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:43 pm

    OK - I just posted a whole lot of propaganda. Is it relevant to this thread? I think so. How might the Jesuits react to it, personally and as an order? The problem is - I think the Protestants are in nearly as much trouble as the Catholics - because Protestantism is closer to Catholicism than most people realize - and because Catholicism is closer to ancient Babylon, Medo-Persia, Egypt, Greece, and Pagan Rome - than they are to the Teachings of Christ. Another problem is that if things get cleaned-up, we might not know how to live in a purified and rarified environment and atmosphere. If the God or Goddess of This World has been ruling all of us with an iron-fist for thousands of years - what will we do if he or she retires - voluntarily or otherwise?? This may be a more significant question than one might think. I support the idea of as much continuity, and as little disruption, as possible. But this might be impossible. We could be in for an extremely difficult decade. I'd love to hear from some Jesuits regarding this thread. I think they may be in the best position to provide disclosure to the general public - if, and only if, they are completely honest. Don't hold your breath.

    OK - so what is the state of current solar system governance? I get the mental picture of an elaborate base on the darkside of the moon, as being the headquarters of the present solar system government. I also get the picture of a select group of humans and hybrids (maybe a couple of hundred) as being the core of solar system administration. But then I get the picture of a rival solar system government, headquartered on Mars perhaps, again with a couple of hundred humans and hybrids at the top of the pyramid. I get the feeling that they are not happy-go-lucky personalities - and that both governments are rather Nazi-like. I'm not going to go any further in yet another orgy of wild speculation. I'm really trying to think of the most ideal situation which is possible and probable for this solar system in the near future. This, of course, is based upon the presupposition that the humanoid beings who inhabit this solar system, have souls, which reincarnate endlessly. If we have no souls, and there is no life after life after life - we might as well just forget the whole damn thing. Also, trying to create a paradise here in this solar system, is only necessary if we are not going to be rescued, and taken to a distant heaven, or to a genuinely better place. I don't have the ultimate answers, so I continue to fly blind. I'm doing the best I can, but without complete information, I really can't do a helluva lot. Garbage In - Garbage Out. I am willing to compromise and adapt. I am not arrogant, despite my internet posting style. I am really doing all of this in desperation. I have lost faith in just about everyone and everything - and I'm scared. I don't know who my friends and enemies are - or even if I have any friends or enemies at all. Life is really non-stop misery - and it has been so for a very long time. I keep hoping that things will improve - but they never do. I am not nationalist or racist - despite my bias toward the U.S. Constitution. This just seems like a logical starting point for a solar system government which maximizes responsibility and freedom, or responsible-freedom. This isn't rocket-science. This is really 2+2=4. Do the math.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:49 am

    I would really like to talk to some Jesuits on this thread. I admire them, in one way - but I think they're working for the wrong boss - even if that boss really does rule the world. I think a lot of people have a 'if you can't beat 'em - join 'em' view of things. Once again - I want the bad guys and gals to become good guys and gals - and I would like to see the God or Goddess of This World retire. That absolute power thing seems highly problematic to me - but what do I know? I can't even properly rule myself. Anchor is right. Self-rule comes first. But is it really wrong to try to grasp the big-picture - especially when we have been lied to - over and over and over and over again????? I am obviously for the open rule of this solar system by We the People - but I wouldn't have so much of a problem with rule by secrecy - if and only if, it was done benevolently and properly. I just keep getting the picture of basically good people running around the planet, doing all kinds of mischief, murder, and mayhem - simply because they have agreed to be completely obedient to the secret god or goddess of this world. I could be very wrong about this - but I am very, very afraid - about a lot of things.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:39 pm

    Here is a short video of a member of Opus Dei. While not a Jesuit, this beautiful person exemplifies that stereotypes and Hollywood portrayals don't always reflect reality. This is probably true for both the Jesuits and Opus Dei. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CuTVpPCApE&feature=related What if Roman Catholicism were considered to be an art-form, rather than a theocratic religion? Perhaps that's what I've been trying to get at with my references to Roman Catholic architecture, art, music, robes, pomp and circumstance, reverence and awe. Perhaps the people of the world should be lifted up with all of the above - but not spoon-fed and dictated-to. Again - this is tricky territory - and I don't know the whole story regarding what's really going on in this solar system. I don't hate the Jesuits and the Roman Catholic Church - but I am very wary of historical and contemporary Roman Catholicism. But I think that everyone should study Rome - and all of the roads leading to Rome - and out of Rome. If one fails to do this - one fails to grasp a key part of the puzzle - regarding life, the universe, and everything.

    A total stranger asked me what I would do with $14,000,000. I told him that I'd start a foundation. I didn't mention The United States of the Solar System aka a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System - but I had that clearly in mind. I think I'd really try to get the St. Mary's Cathedral thing off the ground - by hiring some sort of a media company - to promote the concept internationally - so that it wouldn't be an American project. I think I might try to lure countries away from the existing United Nations - unless the UN replaced the UN Charter with the US Constitution. I'd probably use about four million dollars to do the media/lobbying thing - which would involve seeking more funds from all socio-economic groups. The remaining ten million dollars would be set aside for emergencies - with five million dollars conservatively invested - and five million dollars in cash. Hopefully the initial media and lobbying blitz would shut down the United Nations - and bring all of the UN participating nations into The United States of the Solar System - with their UN dues now going into the USSS. The Roman Catholic Church would have to agree to offer the St. Mary's property at a reasonable price, for this plan to progress as envisioned. But this would not be an American or a Roman Catholic project. It would truly be a We the People of the Solar System project. Perhaps we could get the Pluto Dudes to kick in a couple of million dollars - in exchange for the USSS accepting a couple of their Plutocrats! What would the Rockefellers say? Or - would the bankrupt Crystal Cathedral be a possibility? Let's see - with a little positive and possibility thinking - we might be able to get something going around here! Perhaps we could use one of the Underground Bases as The United States of the Solar System Headquarters. It would be really cool if this were connected with the magneto-leviton train system! Perhaps we could get Mt. Weather! Now I'm really playing with fire! But really, I'm trying to think in post apocalyptic terms - with the Apocalypse completely removed from the equation. I don't think this solar system needs to be a warzone. I really don't wish to cut anyone out of this thing. This is supposed to be for everyone - including the current Powers That Be. I really wish to break the conquest/retribution cycle. I wish for the Elites and the Goyim to hold hands, and sing kumbaya on live television and the internet. "Live! From Mt. Weather! It's the opening session of The United States of the Solar System!" It would be basically the Secret Government - with live 24/7 coverage of all meetings - even, and especially, the most sensitive sessions. There would be complete transparency. What would the Bavarian Illuminati say? Bilderberg would have their annual meeting at the USSS headquarters. The Antarctica and Darkside of the Moon meetings would be rendered obsolete! What would Gizeh Intelligence say? We could use Dracs as guards! They're the ultimate supersoldiers, aren't they? I'd better stop. They have ways to make me stop.

    What if some of my speculations about a hypothetical 'Queen of Heaven' are correct? What if she rules a 'Secret Government' which rules all of us? What if there has been corruption, abuses, and atrocities? What if all of this has been absolutely necessary? What if idealism and high-minded ethics are a recipe for disaster? What if the truth is overrated? What if we really cannot rule ourselves? This whole subject is scaring the hell out of me. I'd like to see a non-corrupt and transparent solar system government - but what if a lot of the secret stuff needs to be retained? Can we have our cake - and eat it too? Could there be such a thing as an 'Open Secret Government'? I understand the need for people to work behind the scenes in ways which might not be understood by the general public. I also understand that the general public is not being educated to be responsible. I guess I'd like to see everything change - without anything changing. Continuity should be a top priority as we transition into a Brave New Solar System. The universe is filled with contradictions and absurdities - and I don't expect this to change anytime soon. It's probably good to probe and ask questions - but it's probably a bad thing to push too hard, and ask too many questions. I continue to wish to be an observer of sorts - with access - but no authority. You know - sort of a Palmer Joss ('Contact') type of person - who likes to watch. What would Raven say? Are there people who presently travel the solar system in antigravity craft - travel from underground base to underground base in magneto-leviton trains - and sit in on top meetings (including the most secret and sensitive ones)? Obviously - such a person, or persons, would not be allowed to go and blurt everything out to the press. There is obviously a time and a place for everything. But how do we properly cut down on the corruption and absurdities which have plagued humanity for thousands of years? I'm an idealist - but I'm also a realist.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:32 pm

    Just as an experiment - get a DVD of 'Angels and Demons' - and watch it with the sound off - while playing the music links in post #3 of this thread. I'm going to do it, just as soon as I watch the 'We Can't Win' and 'Heretics Fork' episodes of 'V'. You might wish to try this with 'V'. If you don't know why I'm suggesting this - try it - and you might understand. It's pretty obvious why I walk alone - isn't it?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:41 pm

    Can you imagine being a lifelong student of Roman Catholic art, architecture, and music - without necessarily being Roman Catholic? Just think about this for a while. I have huge problems with Roman Catholic history and theology - but I adore the art, architecture, and music. I have suggested the possibility of thinking of Roman Catholicism as an art-form, rather than as a theocratic religion. Might this be it's proper role in modernity? Please don't fail to study the Roman Catholic phenomenon as you study about aliens, ufo's, dimensions, esoteric this and that, life, the universe, and everything. Has anyone watched any of the videos in the first post of this thread?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:32 pm

    Perhaps I need to reconsider Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Perhaps the true Creator God of the Universe should rule this solar system, and the rest of the universe, as he or she sees fit. I have merely been trying to determine what went wrong in this solar system, and how to fix it. Aristocracy and Theocracy really didn't seem to work historically, and it seems that powerful entities, who are not the Creator God of the Universe, are attempting to play god here in this solar system. I simply didn't want Crusades, Inquisitions, Wars, and Atrocities to keep occurring. I simply wanted the madness to end - and for this solar system to be run properly. But judging from the response I have received - this solar system - and probably the rest of the universe - really does need a God to tell them what to do. But the Creator God of the Universe seems to be excluded from this solar system. Perhaps this is what needs to change. Perhaps the Creator God of the Universe needs to be invited back into this solar system. I continue to fly blind - without proper information - and this really isn't fair. How can I make proper decisions without proper information. So I'm going to stop pushing a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System - until I have better information upon which to make any kind of a determination regarding Solar System Governance. I'm sorry to have bothered all of you. God help us.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:32 am

    I thought someone might be interested in talking about the Jesuits. I tend to think that the Jesuits and the Alphabet Agents Worldwide are sort of in the same category. Again - I don't love them or hate them. I admire them - and I fear them - but I think they might be working for the wrong boss. If they were all only doing good from the shadows - this would be a good thing. But I get the picture that they get involved in some really dark activities, which are not in the best interest of the human race. If this is true - I hope things are changing for the better. I tend to think that they are. We will probably always need smart, brave, educated, innovative, disciplined people - working behind the scenes. I just want them to take the high-road instead of the low-road. That infiltration and subversion poison-cup bs is so passe and old-school.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:58 pm

    I really think you need to consider Eric Jon Phelps. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2779-eric-jon-phelps#49796 There are aspects of his presentation which make me nervous, but he seems to have done his homework. He is hostile toward the Jesuits, and while I agree with him that there is a lot of dirt connected with this order, I am trying to seek more understanding than condemnation. I continue to speculate regarding who has REALLY been giving the Jesuit Order their Orders. I'm trying to be fair with everyone - and I mean EVERYONE.

    Here are some very explosive and controversial videos, featuring Eric Jon Phelps. I can't vouch for the information, but most of it seems to resonate with what I have heard throughout the years. I don't necessarily share Eric's editorial slant, but he reveals a huge amount of forbidden knowledge. Take all of this with a sea of salt, and get informed without getting mad. Just listen to this, and then move on. I try to listen to a wide variety of sources in a rather non-committal manner. Neutrality might be impossible, but I'm trying to be as neutral as possible. I can see myself partnering with virtually all races and members of nearly all organizations - AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT AS CORRUPT AS HELL. There are good individuals EVERYWHERE. Unfortunately, I really am quite naive. I really am a completely ignorant fool when it comes to how the world and solar system really works. I would love to be involved in solar system governance, but it would take me several lifetimes to really get up to speed, and I'm not joking. I am sort of burned-out, and I probably seem to lack backbone, in my efforts to be neutral. I'm not exactly a 'shouting in a megaphone and running in the streets' type of person. I don't really know much of anything for certain. I tend to think that whoever REALLY runs the solar system is into EVERYTHING. So, it might be futile to blame any particular group for most of the world's problems. Perhaps a lot of the individuals and groups we love to hate - really hate carrying out the orders they are given. I think this thing is incredibly complex and messy. We might be dealing with a lot of very ancient baggage, which might include other solar systems, archangels, gods, goddesses, star wars, and who knows who or what? I think Bill Cooper had the right idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fHmWcRZ72A I listen to Latin Masses as I study the Jesuits. I think I could probably get along quite well with most of them, including the Black Pope aka Jesuit General. I think I could get along very well with top-level Israelis. Please keep an open mind in all of this controversial madness. Namaste.

    1. The Jesuits and the 20th Century http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COYHwApueFE

    2. The Jesuit Banking System http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9GN3LjpE3I&feature=related

    3. The History of Presidential Assassinations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP83-kOsdzo&feature=related

    4. The Coming American Fascist Dominion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6vpcsdWU7M&feature=related

    5. 9/11 and Future Events http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3CLGcTzfQQ&feature=related

    6. The Building Up of World War III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHsy9cskeYY&feature=related

    7. Islam and Roman Catholicism: The New Crusades http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQUVNe7ZWoA&feature=related

    8. Jesuits or Zionists? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK6trIvba4g&feature=related

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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:15 pm

    At this point, I'm probably going to mostly be editing my threads, and doing a lot of reading. I'm honestly trying to wind this thing down. I think I've more than made my point, and I keep feeling that I need to be quiet now, especially because I don't know the real facts of the matter, and because of my disoriented state of mind and emotional distress. Despite this determination, I think I might've gotten myself into even more trouble over the past couple of days. I don't shout this stuff from the tops of the Seven Hills of Rome, but I am probably more vocal than some would like. But really, I think that ALL SIDES ultimately benefit from people like me. I listen to people like Eric Jon Phelps and Alex Jones, but then I just move on to the next topic, rather than getting too worked-up about things. My very limited phone conversations and internet activities really should not be a cause for alarm. I sometimes think that I'd like to write a book, to possibly solve some of my financial woes, but such a hypothetical book would be very sanitized, and would bear no resemblance to my internet activities. It would most likely be a futuristic and idealistic science fiction novel. I doubt that this will ever materialize, but I just wanted to state this possibility to avoid any surprises. This sort of thing would probably take a couple of years to produce, and I don't know that I'm really that ambitious at this point. Anyway, I just want things to work out well for all concerned, if that is at all possible. Namaste.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:12 am

    I'd like to talk to a Jesuit on this thread. I'm really trying to understand the whole Jesuit, Alphabet Agency, and Secret Government realm. I think there is a good side and a bad side to all of this. I desire a reformation of all of the above, but I would work with these people in a respectful manner to accomplish an evolutionary change for the better.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:30 pm

    Here is an interesting Alex Jones clip which is relevant to this thread. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VVznhQnaGPU I like listening to Alex, but I have to round out my listening experience with numerous other perspectives. I envy his ability to be quick and think fast, but I don't wish to rant and rave in public. I just do that in the 'privacy' on my own home. I won't even be able to do that when I have to move into an apartment. What do you think about this clip? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzKrQ8ROVrg&feature=related Does one have to play dirty to win in this solar system? Do nice guys really finish last? Could there be a completely ethical Jesuit Order, with no dirty tricks whatsoever? I think esoteric studies can be beneficial, when properly pursued, but secretive and violent practices should not be tolerated in this solar system. Do you see my point? I don't support passive ignorance. I do support the academic discipline of groups such as the Jesuits, but I do not support the brutal activities of various secretive groups, if the stories are to be believed.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:14 pm

    This is an amazing interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVwKKsvtdag&feature=player_embedded All roads really do lead to Rome, and I continue to think that everything we discuss should be viewed from the Roman context. I continue to imagine myself as being a well-connected Renegade French Jesuit Organist. I continue to love the artistic aspects of Rome, but the history, theology, and politics are horrible, and I'm sure that most upper-level and well-informed Roman Catholics know this, but they have a Dragon by the Tail, and they are probably terrified of what might happen if they let go. As the general public finds out about all of this, things could get very, very nasty. I'm interested in this area of research, but it scares the hell out of me. I'm trying to be open and fair in all of this, and I'm trying to look at both the positive and negatives in all of this. All roads lead to Rome, but where did all of these roads originate?

    My present working assumption is that the solar system probably contains thousands of unconventional craft, including asteroid and moon spacecraft, which might be friendly or unfriendly toward the human race. I get the feeling that this solar system is like the wild, wild west -- and that we might be facing a showdown at the ok corral. I certainly do not desire peace at any price, nor do I desire to end-up as space-dust. What would Anna Hayes say? I'd still like to hang-out on Phobos for a while, regardless of whether it is populated by friend or foe. But I would have to have a solid guarantee that I wouldn't be harmed or kidnapped. I still like the idea of a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System -- with the governmental personnel mostly located within the University of Solar System Studies and Governance campuses throughout the solar system. I've spoken of using a deconsecrated cathedral as the headquarters of a New Solar System, so just for the fun of it, today I'm thinking of either the Crystal Cathedral or St. Mary's Cathedral (or both!!) as being the headquarters, with the University of California system serving as the core of the University of Solar System Studies and Governance system. Again, this is just for the conceptual heck of it. This is a test. This is only a test. And yes, I realize that I am insane, but it's more fun that way! The UC system has solid ties to the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and to the Los Alamos National Laboratory. I don't wish to reinvent the wheel. I just wish to have 10,000 PhD's with clipboards and safety-goggles, watching it rotate... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:39 pm

    Just let the various Eric Jon Phelps videos play, for a real education. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOI3uRggJE&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PLC364B04CAAA298D6 I don't share his white-bias, even though I'm white. I don't share his Baptist-bias, even though I am a non church-going follower of the Teachings of Jesus. I appreciate his vast grasp of history, and his ability to connect dots. Tell me what you think. I continue to wish to understand, rather than condemn. So, really, I'm a lot softer than Eric Jon Phelps. I really wish for things to work out well for virtually EVERYONE, with some notable exceptions perhaps, which I'm not prepared to name, at this point in time...

    I continue to think that science fiction is an important part of this thread. Most of us don't have Cosmic Clearance - so we have to make due with the scraps of information we get fed in the mass media. The higher ups don't want us simple cattle to stampede! Run! Goyim! Run!! My computer is running very poorly - so I assume that someone doesn't like what I'm posting. Could you guys and gals just monitor me by going online, like everyone else - instead of doing all of that fancy back-door Cray Supercomputer BS? I'd really like to have my computer back. Besides, the interdimensional reptilian spies are keeping me under constant watch. I couldn't resist. I know you are just doing your jobs. But really - I mean absolutely no harm. Check out these BBC clips from 'Dr. Who':

    1. Hungry Earth:

    Part 1 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdhpm9_doctor-who-2005-5x08-the-hungry-ear_shortfilms
    Part 2 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdhrar_doctor-who-2005-5x08-the-hungry-ear_shortfilms
    Part 3 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdhs38_doctor-who-2005-5x08-the-hungry-ear_shortfilms

    2. Cold Blood:

    Part 1 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdhs78_doctor-who-2005-5x09-cold-blood_shortfilms
    Part 2 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdhszm_doctor-who-2005-5x09-cold-blood-2_shortfilms
    Part 3 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdhtm6_doctor-who-2005-5x09-cold-blood-3_shortfilms



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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:40 pm

    Here is an interesting Jesuit-related video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZcuJKilUdw Filmed in Denver, August of 1997, at the Global Science Congress Convention. Arousing and provoking lectures by Paul Schaffranke and Harry Hubbard as they briefly outline certain spectacles of thought and nature. Displayed are maps from the Lazeria Collection, and the first public showing in North America of the world's oldest map of Atlantis, crafted by the Jesuit Priest, Atanasias Kircher in 1665, which proves that modern day Plato books have been tainted with important sections left out for obvious reasons. http://illinoiscaves.com

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