orthodoxymoron wrote:Could St. Germain have been a representative or manifestation of Lucifer? I get the distinct impression that Lucifer gets around - a lot. Check this out. http://www.thejinn.net/ascended_master.htm

Interesting website, but who is the person behind it? No mention of him (or her) that I could find on a quick look-see. A lot of talk about "jinn" - entities that live here that we cannot see? Some good, some bad... Trying to tie a lot of issues together into one sack... Sounds a little paranoid to me, the website, I mean...

The "enlightened" souls I've met who talk about the I AM are in fact very loving beings who promote the Unity of One Source/Creator and The Power of Love. I cannot imagine any of them telling their disciples to kill their pets :)

Now, I've met some folks who use these "decrees" and chants and frankly they are creepy to me and I avoid them.

Also, does anyone know anything about Elizabeth Claire Prophet? Didn''t she claim to have some connection with St. Germain as well? - and the Violet Flame too, if I remember correctly...

Try this link, Lee. http://www.the7thfire.com/education/IAM-.htm I once attended a lecture by Elizabeth Claire Prophet. There was a lot of chanting - which led me to jokingly invent my own chant: "I Am. I Am. I Am. I Am. I Am Deluded. Yes I Am."

From another thread

reality=check wrote:

I also think Bill realises the danger of the connection. Probably didn't expect the outcome that has resulted.
This event has now taken on a life of its own. AV2 is logging tens of new users a day. Its becoming a flood.
Events are running out of anyone's control and i think Bill is intelligent and savvy enough to understand that.
I don't think at this stage he can do a damned thing about it.

Yes. That's every posability. Perhaps Bills only option is to metaphorically terminate Charles while he's still ahead. That way Bill will keep his new members and his site intact. Perhaps they could start a thread about how unworthy they all were and how Bill will lead the way

Lucky guess?

Great song Lee.

You have a fine voice my friend.

Could St. Germain have been a representative or manifestation of Lucifer?

I'll go with a big "NO". A gut feeling.

Where is the link between St Germaine and Charle's master? Is this something Atticus said or is it more meta-speculation?

I cant find it - please help.

This is making me feel odd.

Anchor wrote:Where is the link between St Germaine and Charle's master? Is this something Atticus said or is it more meta-speculation?

I cant find it - please help.

This is making me feel odd.

No I popped it out of my head on a thread about a link between Charles' master and Hermes T.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12660-Is-a-Master-as-Charles-call-him-some-kind-of-Hermes-Trismegistus&p=114282&viewfull=1#post114282

hey! i like st germain....haven't met him yet tho!
oops-i'm new here-this looks like a cool place-how's everyone -it's looking like a blizzard-is anyone else seeing this?
i hope the st. germain theory is correct...has anyone asked bill ryan about that yet-?
oh,i wanna see that!

Hi arctourist and warm welcome in the Mists.
Lovely you found your way to us
Have a great journey here.

Love from me
mudra

arctourist wrote:hey! i like st germain....haven't met him yet tho!
oops-i'm new here-this looks like a cool place-how's everyone -it's looking like a blizzard-is anyone else seeing this?
i hope the st. germain theory is correct...has anyone asked bill ryan about that yet-?
oh,i wanna see that!

Cheers, Arctourist.

Why do you hope the Count OF St. Germain( St. Germaine was a different kettle of fish) theory is correct....?

Have you got a bet on it with someone?

It was not a suggestion made by a member of Avalon

The refrence to St Germain is here from Atticus aka Charles

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material/page6


"St germain,is a name.
He is my father.I'm his only son to survive
He sent me to china to get the last seven.
I was recalled because they have made there pact and are impregnable.
He called me back because they are going to try and construct there own engine,from documents and drawings seized from Egypt.
This puts us in a precarious position(fredkc brace yourself here they come old son).
An offence is starting,they need various info and what parts of old that still exist."


The modern history of St Germain goes back to Godfre Ray King and his wife Lotus Ray (real names Guy and Edna Ballard) in the 1930s who set up the I Am activity teachings. They were not theosophists as far as I understand but they took the theory of advanced beings from theosophy and jazzed it up a little though they are not in the Theosophical family tree.. Theosophists frown upon them.

The couple were eventually done for mail fraud but their legacy continued and exists today in offshoots including the Saint Germain Press

after the Ballards came

Geraldine Innocente who. in the 50's founded the Ascended Masters group 'The Bridge to Freedom'
A follower of these teachings emerged Mark Prophet who later was to form the Summit Lighthouse with his wife claire Prophet who survives him.
She said via St Germain and others, there would be a nuclear war in the early 90's and encouraged her followers to build bunkers and dish out lots of thier cash to her movement. There was also an illegal arms stash found or something.
She now has alzhiemers and her son has his own website debunking her.

The summit lighthouse still exists but there are off- shoots of that which have become quasi evangelist such as the Temple of the Presence headed up by a former member of The Sumit Lighthouse and the Hearts Centre community based on the teachings of the Ballards.

Also Lori Toye of The I AM America foundation channels St, Germain. All the movements are very pro American. Indeed an anagram of I Am America is the I Am Race

Again its important to seperate these groups from the Theosophical Society historically as their is no connection as such. It is the unique history of The I am movement in America that promotes St Germain and the so called violet Flame teachings.

There are also individual channellers everywhere claiming contact with an incartion of St Germain or Rackorzky or his other guises.

It maybe there is a great being associated with such earthly embodiments but I cant see him working with an ex football hoologan. It all sounds a bit daft

thanks,thanks,thanks!
well greetings to one and all!
i must say,about halfway thru being banned 'for a month' from the project avalon forum,i hope to have a higher perspective-should i even decide to return...oh,i'll certainly have something to say-hahaha-who's still there,i wonder,and how's it goin' over there,by the way-anything new from 'charles' since he abruptly stopped answering questions about a week ago or what,i'm wondering....well,i'm just curious...any of bill's moderators here? hahaha
oh,i don't know about the 'count'-really i just hope whoever it is gets on with the disclosure of whatever it was they were going to reveal,as it appears maybe they've changed their minds,but i guess i'm out the loop for the time being-i reckon we'll just have to see what happens tho huh?

Floyd wrote:It was not a suggestion made by a member of Avalon

The refrence to St Germain is here from Atticus aka Charles

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material/page6


"St germain,is a name.
He is my father.I'm his only son to survive
He sent me to china to get the last seven.
I was recalled because they have made there pact and are impregnable.
He called me back because they are going to try and construct there own engine,from documents and drawings seized from Egypt.
This puts us in a precarious position(fredkc brace yourself here they come old son).
An offence is starting,they need various info and what parts of old that still exist."


The modern history of St Germain goes back to Godfre Ray King and his wife Lotus Ray (real names Guy and Edna Ballard) in the 1930s who set up the I Am activity teachings. They were not theosophists as far as I understand but they took the theory of advanced beings from theosophy and jazzed it up a little though they are not in the Theosophical family tree.. Theosophists frown upon them.

The couple were eventually done for mail fraud but their legacy continued and exists today in offshoots including the Saint Germain Press

after the Ballards came

Geraldine Innocente who. in the 50's founded the Ascended Masters group 'The Bridge to Freedom'
A follower of these teachings emerged Mark Prophet who later was to form the Summit Lighthouse with his wife claire Prophet who survives him.
She said via St Germain and others, there would be a nuclear war in the early 90's and encouraged her followers to build bunkers and dish out lots of thier cash to her movement. There was also an illegal arms stash found or something.
She now has alzhiemers and her son has his own website debunking her.

The summit lighthouse still exists but there are off- shoots of that which have become quasi evangelist such as the Temple of the Presence headed up by a former member of The Sumit Lighthouse and the Hearts Centre community based on the teachings of the Ballards.

Also Lori Toye of The I AM America foundation channels St, Germain. All the movements are very pro American. Indeed an anagram of I Am America is the I Am Race

Again its important to seperate these groups from the Theosophical Society historically as their is no connection as such. It is the unique history of The I am movement in America that promotes St Germain and the so called violet Flame teachings.

There are also individual channellers everywhere claiming contact with an incartion of St Germain or Rackorzky or his other guises.

It maybe there is a great being associated with such earthly embodiments but I cant see him working with an ex football hoologan. It all sounds a bit daft

I think you might like to check the dates on the posts since Chas turned up on the scene. I think you'll find that
I flippantly suggested that his master was The Count De St.Germaine. If another user asked the question later, he probably read the post.

icecold wrote:


I think you might like to check the dates on the posts.

I dont find the dates important. Rather what he has to say.

LOL. OK.

St Germain is a name he says.
St Germain has many guises
He didnt actually confirm it...but he didnt deny it did he.
Dont panic Ice cold I did see your post. Of course if anyone has a mysterious master who is thousands of years old, the Comte St. Germain is always a likely candidate as you suggested is he not?
As I said in an earlier post around here somewhere, his master doesnt exist.

We could always ask Benjamin Creme or Someone to verify.