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    Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:03 pm

    What this is about and for:

    While observing the personal thread of "HigherLove" and the newly created one of"Hobbit", I realise my thought process may not always fit into the ones that are created by others. While reading, observing, and admiring the time posts by Hobbit, I know my thought process is different, at least for now, even though I know I somehow understand. So this will be my scrap book that will perhaps someday make sense, once I get it going. I am dedicating it to the wisdom and consistency of words from Hobbit and HigherLove. Thanks for your positive and intellectual influence. I also forgot to mention "Horus" as an influence, who has also been very radically consistent with his post. I will be going back and editing regularly previous post in this thread, when I find there is something that has been missed and or overlooked.


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:23 pm

    Preface and Overview:

    So my journey begins by going backwards and starting over. Where am I, where have I been, and where am I going. And, how many possibilities and options do I have. What are my limitations besides those I set for myself. So it begins with contemplating on the dimensions I exist on, can exist on, and ultimately what I feel and believe. This video is just a starting point, something to get me going, and will be discarded as reference as I get going.

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    A few other links I will be going back to that give various opinions and thoughts on "dimensions", from mathematical to spiritual. These are mostly in connection with the above video.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-polytope

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere

    http://teamikaria.com/hddb/classic/page1.htm

    The following image is also of reference to the upcoming post, and for comparison to what I beleive versus what is laid out by others for us to beleive.



    Loyalty versus honour versus freedom versus individuality versus finishing what you started versus survival versus crafty and cryptic intellectualism. Sacrificing the act of manipulating a system that manipulates you in pure hope that by acting just will create equilibrium in a civilisation that will never treat you as an equal. And that curve in time that keeps calling me back to my self as in this video. The following video is somewhere near where I am at now, as I begin to go backwards and gather pieces together.

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/17312284?color=ffffff" width="400" height="170" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/17312284">Dare To Be Brave - Fifth Dimension (2010) Ad</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/moistcreation">Moist Creation</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  mudra on Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:48 pm

    As we move back to Source and separation reduces itself we will find more points of agreements between one another than diverging ones I believe .
    In the mean time we all come from different backgrounds and experiences through which we built an operating balance .
    The experience of Truth is an evolving process .To me what unites us is pure Consciousness but how Consciousness itself chooses to express itself through each one of us is unique to each being.This is what makes life so interesting ... the vibration each one contributes to the whole if given the chance to freely express himself .

    I am looking forward to your postings on this thread immortalisdolor Cheerful

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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:38 pm

    Traveling Through the Dimensions: Part I
    The Point and the Imaginary Idea that Indicates a Position Within A System


    Beginning with the first video posted, I will start with the point, that imaginary idea that indicates a position in a system. This very idea opens up a pandoras box for me, and the very essence of my personal journey so far of letting go of everything slowly, detaching slowly from ideological pursuits, needs, and desires. The idea of even creating an idea all over again is like throwing a stone in peaceful or even already disturbed waters. Within my journey, I am in a place of holding back from as much as possible, standing aside as much as possible, and doing a minimal as I can while letting all the previous seeds in life finish their cycle, or at least their current cycles. By taking this observational stand point in my own life, I have been witnessing many things not seen before. Many of these cycles are not even my own, in truth, most of them are not my own, but belonging to others, like implants placed within my conscious and subconscious. Even being a semester away from graduating, getting a degree was never seeded as my own idea, it was a point, an imaginary idea placed within me, indicating a point within the system. My life currently is like to tips of a pyramid meeting, under extreme pressure, yet inside growing quiet and calm, while being tainted by everyone around me, pushing me further and further away, or towards this point. And once I reach this point, it will be a breaking point in many ways. And what happens then, who knows, however, I am carefully watching it on standby for an emergency evacuation of "place". We have all been subjected to "place" in this human nightmare that parallels the possibility of a human dream.



    This joining of points could also be similar to the events unfolding in our currents shifts and even connect to multiple points connecting in a massive geometric unfolding, or folding. Back to this later.



    Now, back to "the point", I am moving closer and closer to this position within a system that connects to a position within another system, and though I also see this as the opposite in creative terms, as the point being the idea, the first dimensional construct within a creative process, it is a very precarious position in this grand scheme of things system, as well as the human systems I am a part of, and breaking away from.

    So on the subtle note, it is getting close for me, whatever it is, and unfortunately I regretfully admit that there is many people in my way right now, that are blindly grasping their grip, tighter and tighter, unknowing to how much emotional, mental, psychological, and spiritual harm they are doing to me. And what will they gain? Nothing, because I will either break away as I have done in the past, or get through it, and be of no use to anyone's "program". So what is the point? Why can they too, not just let go? The point is coming soon.......


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:10 pm

    The Point

    The point is like someone is trying to explain it to you in a language you do not understand. Almost as if the point is pointless, but yet it is being made out to be something you need to understand, you need to believe, you have to conform to as it is being planted into your psyche.

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    Imagine a world where nothing was acceptable unless it had a point. Is it not far off from the truth? As in the 1971 cartoon, The Point.

    (The following is an eight part cartoon, all available on youtube, I have only pasted part I here. Matter of fact, this cartoon explains it all to the point. Shocked )

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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:35 pm

    And once you've figured out what I have been talking about, the short English subtitled version of the point makes absolute sense, and the point becomes clear, and absolute. Blink

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    So any point is an idea, a creation, a release, an observation, a manifestation, both having a point and being pointless, being either positive or negative or having qualities of both. However, that is pointless, we can not do anything about it. We can influence the points, however once they are there and in "place" they must go through their cycles set into "place", even those created on our own.

    However, if points become problematic to our existence, we can always leave that point. So why were we there in the first place? And why is it so hard to leave?

    Dependency, dependency, dependency............

    Either we are dependent on the point for something, or the point is dependent on us for something. There is machievious need at foot around every point, or is there? Perhaps this is just pointless. However, this brings us back to what the point was stated as in the first video. An imaginary idea to indicate a position in a system. We all just get hung up in that imaginary, illusionary position. That's the point!


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:11 am

    Recap: The Point

    So before we, or I, taking you with me, on this journey, pointless or not, into the first dimension, let us recap the point.

    So a point is conceived, created and or manifested in some form or fashion. But it is not really there at all, at least not yet. Now, we have all created all these points, and others have also created all these points. And as Mudra said in a response to this;

    As we move back to Source and separation reduces itself we will find more points of agreements between one another than diverging ones I believe .

    the connecting of points is the whole point, like a map, or a connect the dot picture, that takes us into the other dimensions. In order to move onward we have to get past the illusion of getting sucked into the point which is an illusion within itself, like gravity. It pulls us in, but it is not really there.

    I would however disagree with the idea of the reduction in separation since separation may be necessary in many circumstances, especially in the act of separating from a point, in order to get to the next one. Of course this is all a matter of which point of view you have.

    Points of view are also points, points perceiving other points, and from this perception, all these points alone begin to make up the bigger picture. The composition and structure of these points may be similar, and may be different, and what inhabitants dwell around these points is also important to take into consideration. Some will fight and die for their point, because they feel they own, and have mastered their point.

    Now that we have all these points, let's do a little travelling, and see where we end up.

    (I just keep using we since it makes me feel like y'all are actually travelling with me on The Millennium Falcon on this loony ride.)


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:24 am

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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:31 pm

    Traveling Through the Dimensions: Part II
    Connecting Point A to Point B | The First Dimension


    So, using mudra as my volunteer test subject, mudra claims to be in point A, Belgium, and me in America, point B.

    There is also a multitude of points within each point, all imaginary places called countries, nations, states, counties, cities, towns, and street corners. Using the first video, "Imagining the Tenth Dimension" as I will be doing for awhile, as a point of reference, by drawing a line from point A to point B creates the first dimension, or so he says in the video. So thus being the first dimension has length but no depth. The video just stops there on the first dimension. I feel there is more to this.

    So if we draw a line from America to Belgium, we have a straight line to get us back and forth between the two. The video says this has length, which determines the first dimension. How to we determine length though, if this was all we had, two points and a straight line, then we would have nothing to compare it to and we could not determine length, as well as not having a reason to. I say it is a long way, since I have been to the Belgium International Airport, and the flight from America seemed very long, sixteen hours. Why did I feel it was long? Was it really a long time at all? And what experiences in life that incorporated a personal observation and or emotion that determined my conception of long versus short time and distance. In that same amount of time and distance, Either me or mudra could make it to the center of the earth, which is close to the same. But wouldn't that also be determined by how fast or slow we were traveling?

    Once in the Belgium Airport, I had to wait six hours before changing flights. That seemed like a long time as well, yet I also determined that it was not long enough to attempt an adventure into Belgium, without missing my flight. So time in this scenario exist when more than one point is present and getting from one point to the next becomes an idea. This sounds like the basis of how human civilization is structured. On a one dimensional plane of points connected by lines that determine time, distance, speed, and length. Though this is problematic in many ways, for now, this process is how humans have evolved, so we could say that in some ways, humans are still living in a one dimensional world.

    Now taking a point of view, and then another and drawing a straight line between them, something different happens. If I create a point and say, "God does not exist!" and then mudra hears about this and creates another point and says, "That is not true, God does exist!" then we have two opposing points of view that repel like magnets, setting us in motion. No matter how much we try to draw a line to connect the two points, they will always conflict in opposing points of view, creating tension. Thus we will both be stuck in our points and never get anywhere, not even to the first dimension. Yet if we had the exact same point of view, we would merge, the two separate points would disappear, and there would be no need to connect the two, because there would now be one. So either way, we are still at a point. However, if me and mudra had the same point of view, and lived in the same location, and others in that location had different points of view, we may draw a line to a new location with similar points of view and move there, thus now we have created a line to a new point that we feel more attuned with.

    So now that I have completely confused myself, we can get an idea of what the first dimension looks like, and how easy it is to understand and relate to, even though in some regards, it is utterly pointless. The HAARP map below that we have all seen, is just one example of these points and how they connect. Latitude and longitude, as well as astronomical points, create this same one dimensional layout.



    To be continued......................


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:39 pm

    first dimension continued.....

    So from here, we could go lots of places. We already have all these points, yet we are where we are. Now at my point, physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually, I am at a thickening threshold. I want to stay, for just awhile longer, and I want to go as well. Deja Vu, I have been here before, many times. Should I stay or should I go.

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    So from my point of view, and my scenario, conflict, discomfort, and things that cause anger, hate, and frustration on a continued basis create a growing need to create a new point, and or designate a pre-existing one as a destination. However, from what I have noticed throughout my life is that no matter where I go, where I am, there is always some form of parasitic human behavior that causes frustration with my desire and need for a simplistic way of life. I am being continuously distracted.

    So does emotion as well as thought create dimensions? A more elusive agenda within the universe as well as humanity and the earth that has caused the chain reaction of endless events? Like the medical industry that provides relief from the symptoms but not the source of the cause, we layer our existence like an onion, always trying to make it better, to our senses. Like the rich wanting the poor out of their way so they don't have to look at them, so they can believe they actually live in their pretty little make believe world.

    So the first dimension seems to be created, and seems to be imaginary just as much as the points are imaginary. They don't really exist, unless we believe they do, for what ever reason. However as we have seen, time suddenly gets involved once we get to the first dimension. So is time also imaginary as well? Does time not even exist?

    So if I have been here at this computer for an hour, I have conceived it to be so by the man made measurement of time, or what time has been perceived to be, to merely map out where I have been, where I am now, and where I am going. Just like connecting all the imaginary points. So therefore, at this point, we could say time is also imaginary, it does not exist. It is only a measurement used by humans to map out their first dimension, which is also imaginary, and does not really exist.

    So thus far the conclusion is, yet not absolute, that this is so far pointless. The points, the first dimension, any dimension, time, thought, and ideas, just do not exist. So, we are back at nothing. It is all in our heads.

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    Coming up next, the 2nd dimension...........
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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:05 pm

    Traveling Through the Dimensions: Part III
    The 2nd Dimension


    Now, setting aside the fact in the last post I completely dismissed everything thus far, let's keep going, and what happens.

    Referencing the first video again, the second dimension is only briefly mentioned as being a branch off of the first dimension line, and then these flat people are magically thrown in it. I am not completely buying that, and something throws me off here. So with that, I am going to start over, and give my own definition. So nothing exist, so let's start with the second dimension.

    When I think of two, it is duality, either good or bad, both, or neither. It is two not one. In some regards, I just created a form of two dimensional reality in the last post by creating an imaginary duality between me and mudra. Going back to that, if all that existed was this duality and no other point of view, it could be considered very two dimensional, or even one dimensional on each of our individual levels. So opposites, seperateness, and anything involving two is the threshold of the second dimension. Even before, having a multitude of points, and connecting them via lines, we have also created a two dimensional, or flat world. All imaginary of course, all theoretical and based off of ideas.

    Without going into detail, and repeating myself, by comparing my own thought processes so far, the second dimension is also imaginary, it does not really exist. Only we create it in our heads. Emotion, pride, honour, mastery, conquest, ownership, good god, it goes deeper than one may have thought. Attachment from emotion.

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    More on the two dimensional worlds coming soon......


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:42 pm

    Second dimension continued....................

    Unfortunately, this duality within the human psyche is an obviously big problem in human behaviour, still to this day. One could look at the second dimension from an artistic point of view, however, a two dimensional piece of art is only visually two dimensional in a three dimensional world, trying to visually describe the third dimension through what is perceived to be a two dimensional piece of art. Not too far off from duality, a mixed up mesh of misplaced perception.

    As you can see where I am going with this so far, the point, the first dimension, and the second dimension, do not exist. They are fabricated means of description, like measurement, and even like language, used to describe and communicate. Can the third dimension do any better? Does the third also, not exist?
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    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:29 pm

    Travelling Through the Dimensions: Part IV
    The 3rd Dimension



    So we all in some form or fashion believe we exist in the third dimension. We believe the physical world is the third dimensional reality. We use that analogy in science, art, physics, and many other arts and sciences. The video being referenced describes the third dimension as being a fold, between the first and the second dimensions. However, I have concluded for myself that the first and second dimensions do not even exist, therefore if I am to continue, I must dismiss the fold, for now.

    If everything physical is a part of the third dimension, then we can verify almost everything physical, in which humans have just about done. However, the video describes the third dimension as having width, length, and depth, and even height. Within this world all matter, even man made, can be broken down to be biological, chemical, an geological in substance and structure. It can even being broken down further to be atomic, or sub-atomic. Though I am now getting way out of my knowledge bracket, I can say and confirm that all material, especially geological and biological is much more than three dimensional.

    At this point, everything begins to spit off, the mathematics, the geometry, the spiritual and the spatial. Which for me brings me back to the beginning, what dimensions are we talking about and referencing? If it is dimensions as in measurement, then this is mathematics, if spatial it could be geometry. However, I think we are referencing or attempting to reference and study the "beyond physical" or "the spiritual", "ethereal", and or "astral". With this in mind,

    POOF!

    The third dimensional also does not exist. It is also a conceptual and representational language of humans. However we have come to a crossing point, we are no doubt now, to the physical world in all regards, no matter how we look at it, that which most refer to as "reality".

    Or is it......

    I could place a bunch of Matrix clips here, but I won't. (embedding disabled on most anyway.) But I think the point is made, if it even exist.

    So here we are, in reality, ranting, discussing, and flattering our gibberish on the Internet, or perhaps not. Either way, this is what we know, this reality, as one reality. We can at least agree that it exist on some level, as some form of reality, a crossing point, a junction.

    So, I am claiming for myself, that the "point", "1st", "2nd", and "3rd" dimensions are merely forms of measurement, in which we will use to help describe other dimensions, if they even exist. Perhaps the fourth dimension is the real starting point.


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:35 pm

    The Physical Existence

    So before moving on, I am going to check myself again. So the natural world as we know it consist of geological and biological life forms and materials. Man, or humans, have, as we know, altered this natural evolution to just about any extent you could think of. We have also created a massive amount of ways to explain our surroundings and universe, card cataloguing it, categorising it, and measuring it in any way we can. We have done this to the point where that is not enough, now we have to analyse that which we can not see. Is this ok? Is this normal?

    What could be said, as I am claiming, is this;

    Anything, that is, any concept, idea, theory, that is created by man that does not have any physical qualities including those that we imagine, do not really exist, only in our mind, all in our head. Though this may seem one dimensional or single minded, it is not an absolute, just a process to get to where ever I am going with this, my trip, whatever you want to call it. Eliminating that which is man made, stripping away the embedded ideas and expectations. Realising that all forms of measurement and spatial relationships are not a reality but a human conception, including that of dimensions. So the notion of dimension within itself has also been dismissed, since the fourth, fifth, and so on, would also be forms of measurement on different levels.

    So the question is, do I even continue, if all is to be dismissed that comes from the human mind? Are we and have we been existing on the mental plain or dimension, completely trapped in our minds?

    So the body can not live without the mind, yet our human minds perform much more strangely than our animal kingdom neighbours, and our minds have become something other than it was intended to be. No longer living in a primitive world that provides all we need, and we have become dependent upon our own technologies to the point that most people could not survive without them except those few indigenous people that still hold close a life of simplistic resolution to there surroundings, even when slightly influenced by outsiders of more developed civilisations.

    Technology, frequency, and the daily influences that are pressed upon the individual in most societies are condemned to this onion layered nightmare of man made realities, man made dimensions, that keep us at all cost from the real world.

    So perhaps we are going in the wrong directions. Perhaps out and up is the wrong way. What if heaven was down, and hell was up? And what if the truth was inside, holding all the answers. So now that through these posts the head has been pulled up out of the sand, where does the journey go?

    Only time will tell?

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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:35 pm

    Travelling Through the Dimensions: Part V
    Returning To The Point and Staying Grounded


    In a nut shell, I have somewhat described the following images so far. Our mental selves, like layers, holding us down, keeping us oblivious to all else through mental need. Though all these aspects do make us who we are in some ways, it is not our true selves, though perhaps a part of the journey, it seems to not register and resonate with deeper frequencies within us. The problem is through my repeated journeys through this process in life is, once you strip away all these layer, who are you, or, who am I? There is no mental projection, no mental reflection, unless you have been trained since childhood in a alternate environment, such as that of a Tibetan monk. In our fast paced civilisations, our best hope is to wake up along the way, since from the childhood that many of us have experienced, especially in America, we were shut out of connection with our true selves at a very young age, exposed to mental dimensional distractions, dreams, hopes, and desires. And once we begin to wake up, our desires are to get back to the garden, so to speak.





    Once stripped down to the "you" and the "self actualisation", many view points, perceptions, beliefs, and even moral and ethical standpoints can change drastically, stunting this growth into a questioning ourselves state, and even questioning our true nature, whatever that may be.

    Though jumping ahead of myself a little here, this next image is the next step, the understanding, living and being, the "Time Current", which could also relate directly to where I was next headed, the fourth dimension. However, by this point, there should not be as many divisions between the selves, if not none, since to get there, we must strip away the ones that divide. With this in mind, the original reference to the "Imagining the Tenth Dimension" video in the first post will be discarded for the most part. For now we have, or are, or will be some day, moving into the true self, the 4th dimension, the astral, no longer as a separate and distant reality, or invisible dream world. Moving into the true self, moving into the "Time Current".



    Timeline for comparison only in upcoming post.

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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:30 pm

    Music Intermission

    Steve Hackett - Deja Vu (originally written by Peter Gabriel)
    This piece has great meaning for me, the lyrics are me speaking to you now. (lyrics posted below)

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    I'm on my way, I'm stronger than before
    The times I've been down
    I've swept the ocean floor
    Like a flower slow to open
    I do believe I've been this way before

    It's every man?s fantasy to win victory
    The world at his feet with songs of glory
    The man seems smaller the child stands taller
    Now I know that what you sow you reap
    And every day at last must die in sleep

    You want to know the story of my life
    The only sin is not loving enough
    I do believe I've been this way before

    You want to know the future, the last act in a play
    A book that falls apart with a missing last page
    All the past's a frozen wasteland
    You can't take back the fruits you once enjoyed
    But now I know I've been this way before


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  Carol on Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:58 pm

    This is a great thread immortalis. I really enjoy it when members go into their area of personal interests and share in-depth, their passion. It adds a richness to the forum that is really unique.


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:47 am

    Music Intermission continued.....

    Genesis - Watcher of the Skies - 1972

    Foxtrot is the fourth studio album by English progressive rock band Genesis and the second from the band lineup which included Peter Gabriel, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Phil Collins, and Steve Hackett.

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    Watcher of the skies watcher of all
    His is a world alone no world is his own,
    He whom life can no longer surprise,
    Raising his eyes beholds a planet unknown.

    Creatures shaped this planet's soil,
    Now their reign has come to an end,
    Has life again destroyed life,
    Do they play elsewhere, do they know
    more than their childhood games?
    Maybe the lizard's shed its tail,
    This is the end of man's long union with Earth.

    Judge not this race by empty remains
    Do you judge God by his creatures when they are dead?
    For now, the lizard's shed it's tail
    This is the end of man's long union with Earth.

    From life alone to life as one,
    Think not now your journey's done
    For though your ship be sturdy, no
    Mercy has the sea,
    Will you survive on the ocean of being?
    Come ancient children hear what I say
    This is my parting council for you on your way.

    Sadly now your thoughts turn to the stars
    Where we have gone you know you never can go.
    Watcher of the skies watcher of all
    This is your fate alone, this fate is your own.


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:55 am

    Music Intermission continued................

    Genesis - Firth of Fifth - 1973

    Selling England by the Pound is the fifth studio album by the progressive rock band Genesis and was recorded and released in 1973.

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    The path is clear
    Though no eyes can see
    The course laid down long before.
    And so with gods and men
    The sheep remain inside their pen,
    Though many times they've seen the way to leave.

    He rides majestic
    Past homes of men
    Who care not or gaze with joy,
    To see reflected there
    The trees, the sky, the lily fair,
    The scene of death is lying just below.

    The mountain cuts off the town from view,
    Like a cancer growth is removed by skill.
    Let it be revealed.
    A waterfall, his madrigal.
    An inland sea, his symphony.

    Undinal songs
    Urge the sailors on
    Till lured by the sirens' cry.

    Now as the river dissolves in sea,
    So Neptune has claimed another soul.
    And so with gods and men
    The sheep remain inside their pen,
    Until the Shepherd leads his flock away.

    The sands of time were eroded by
    The river of constant change.
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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:21 pm

    Poetry Intermission


    "Invictus" by William Ernest Henley (1849-1903)

    Out of the night that covers me,
    Black as the pit from pole to pole,
    I thank whatever gods may be
    For my unconquerable soul.

    In the fell clutch of circumstance
    I have not winced nor cried aloud.
    Under the bludgeonings of chance
    My head is bloody, but unbowed.

    Beyond this place of wrath and tears
    Looms but the Horror of the shade,
    And yet the menace of the years
    Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

    It matters not how strait the gate,
    How charged with punishments the scroll,
    I am the master of my fate:
    I am the captain of my soul.
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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:24 pm

    Travelling Through the Dimensions: Part VI
    The Physical Body


    Now that we are in the physical, all kinds of problems arise. But before I begin, some of you may have at least subconsciously asked the same question a friend of mine asked me. Why do you always think about the negative things?

    The answer,

    To defeat your opponent, you must first know your opponent.

    The physical body has so much good potential, so many possibilities, as well as the mind, which is also a part of the body. But there is just so much wrong with it all, and it shows in the world around us and even in ourselves. The lifestyles we live, the food we eat, the things we think about, our way of life. We can say that we just change it, change our ways, yet we are constantly influenced and distracted in our day to day lives. Once we think we are on the path, we take a wrong turn, and end up right where we started. This comes right back to where I started with this thread in relation to my own life and where I am at now.

    We have desires, needs, wants, dreams, hopes, expectations, goals, and the list goes on. Once we step back from it all, we can begin to see the bigger picture, and sometimes this bigger picture is not as pretty as we would like it to be, which is one of the reasons why it is so hard for so many people to let go. When the scary truth is unveiled, the easy way out is to drown it out with over stimulation to the sensory perceptions. Today, this is accomplished way to easy through the excessive and ever growing technologies. Even those that have such good potential as music, the fine line balance between separation, escape, and non-attachment have their virtues as well as their entrapment potentials. Even what we eat, as we know, can alter everything about us on many levels, and anywhere you go, yep, there is a snack and soda machine, everywhere. Our dreams and hopes also usually involve some form of technology, possession, acquirement of something, or someone. And just about all of these desires, needs, wants, dreams, hopes, expectations, goals, are some form of man made creation, or consist of man made creations. Thus repeating the cycle.

    AI, or artificial intelligence, has already begun. An elusive AI that does not exist physically per say, but mentally, emotionally, and even the spiritual. A holographic like world that exist only in our minds, and manifest through us into the physical. Sounds pretty scary so far, and it is. And every time you begin the separation, you are condemned in silent ways all around you by everyone, even family, even friends, even those you love the most, if they can not let go as well. And those that can not are tightening their grip so aggressively right now, that any contact with them is purely futile and "two dimensional" or dualism.

    So once we begin to understand and know our opponent, it would seem fairly straight forward in this matter to overcome them, however our opponent is invisible, and attaches itself to humans. Like a parasite, and it grows.

    As Morpheus said to Neo in the Matrix,

    "The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us... Even now, in this very room. You can see when you look out your window; when you turn on your television. You can feel it go to work. When you go to church. When you pay your taxes. It the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you can not smell, or taste, or touch. A prison... for your mind."

    "The matrix is a system Neo, and that system is our enemy. When your inside and you look around, what do you see? Business men, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still apart of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so amerced, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it."

    "Were you listening to me Neo, or were you looking at the women in the red dress?"

    "Look again."


    To be continued...........
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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:23 am

    The Physical Body continued..............

    So now what? So far I have been dismissing everything, and now we are caught up in this real life Matrix existence. WTF?

    Well, setting it all aside momentarily, let us throw some animals into the picture.

    Animals placed into this crazy world of humans seem to mind at all. My pets are always a safe and reassuring reminder that it is really ok. I could be in the worst possible emotional state because someone is messing with my feathers, and my dog licks his butt and smiles at me, with me as his next tongue target in mind. Got to love those snouts. That alone brings many things into perspective. For one, that we are just lost in our heads. There is no goals, duty, requirements or such to be done for them. Only the natural needs of food, water, sleep, excretion, and some occasional acknowledgement. And when we try to enforce rules upon them, they don't like it, and feel as if we are patronising them.

    Now if we add the wild animals, they simply avoid us as much as possible. Do they know something we don't? Well of course they do. But we know it too, we have just forgotten, and that is why many of us have been trying to wake up, and others perhaps awakened completely.

    So with this, we are not really in the matrix, unless our pets are holograms. Humans have just been lost in the mental world, the mental projections, some to the point of no return. And as far as the physical body goes, it is just a matter of reclaiming our bodies from the mind. And I could go into all the ways one could do this, but that is besides the point. Many of these ways include reconditioning our habits and lifestyles to something opposite than what it has been. Also through self destructive habits, one can separate themselves from the physical body at will, from small amounts, to dangerous distances. It is the process, pace, type, and amount of change that each individual can handle along the way. So most people can not just separate from the previous existence and become awake, it just does not work that way. There is no red pill, and there is no blue pill. Now that was important, let me repeat it.

    It is the process, pace, type, and amount of change that each individual can handle along the way. So most people can not just separate from the previous existence and become awake, it just does not work that way. There is no red pill, and there is no blue pill.

    So from all this crazy talk, there is a definite emphasis being repeatedly placed on the mind, and the mental. With that in mind, the next step must be the mind, or the "Dimension of Consciousness". But before I start a new though process here, a clarification on the dimensions should be made. So far all dimensions have been dismissed do to the mentality of it all, and no real existence at all. However, since I have declared dimensions as a descriptive measure, we will call our newly found first dimension, not by number, but rather, "The Physical Dimension". And thus the next will be, "The Conscious Dimension", however, since I am making this up as I go along, that may be reworded.

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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  immortalisdolor on Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:33 am

    Music Intermission

    Genesis - Supper's Ready - 1972 - lyrics below songs

    Foxtrot is the fourth studio album by English progressive rock band Genesis and the second from the band lineup which included Peter Gabriel, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Phil Collins, and Steve Hackett.

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    Lovers' Leap


    Walking across the sitting-room, I turn the television off.
    Sitting beside you, I look into your eyes.
    As the sound of motor cars fades in the night time,
    I swear I saw your face change, it didn't seem quite right.
    ...And it's hello babe with your guardian eyes so blue
    Hey my baby don't you know our love is true.

    Coming closer with our eyes, a distance falls around our bodies.
    Out in the garden, the moon seems very bright,
    Six saintly shrouded men move across the lawn slowly.
    The seventh walks in front with a cross held high in hand.
    ...And it's hello babe your supper's waiting for you.
    Hey my baby, don't you know our love is true.

    I've been so far from here,
    Far from your warm arms.
    It's good to feel you again,
    It's been a long long time. Hasn't it?


    The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man

    I know a farmer who looks after the farm.
    With water clear, he cares for all his harvest.
    I know a fireman who looks after the fire.

    Can't you see he's fooled you all.
    Yes, he's here again, can't you see he's fooled you all.
    Share his peace,
    Sign the lease.
    He's a supersonic scientist,
    He's the guaranteed eternal sanctuary man.
    Look, look into my mouth he cries,
    And all the children lost down many paths,
    I bet my life you'll walk inside
    Hand in hand,
    gland in gland
    With a spoonful of miracle,
    He's the guaranteed eternal sanctuary.
    We will rock you, rock you little snake,
    We will keep you snugg and warm.


    Ikhnaton And Itsacon And Their Band Of Merry Men

    Wearing feelings on our faces while our faces took a rest,
    We walked across the fields to see the children of the West,
    But we saw a host of dark skinned warriors
    standing still below the ground,
    Waiting for battle.

    The fight's begun, they've been released.
    Killing foe for peace...bang, bang, bang. Bang, bang, bang...
    And they're giving me a wonderful potion,
    'Cos I cannot contain my emotion.
    And even though I'm feeling good,
    Something tells me I'd better activate my prayer capsule.

    Today's a day to celebrate, the foe have met their fate.
    The order for rejoicing and dancing has come from our warlord.


    How Dare I Be So Beautiful?

    Wandering in the chaos the battle has left,
    We climb up the mountain of human flesh,
    To a plateau of green grass, and green trees full of life.
    A young figure sits still by a pool,
    He's been stamped "Human Bacon" by some butchery tool.
    (He is you)
    Social Security took care of this lad.
    We watch in reverence, as Narcissus is turned to a flower.
    A flower?


    Willow Farm

    If you go down to Willow Farm,
    to look for butterflies, flutterbyes, gutterflies
    Open your eyes, it's full of surprise, everyone lies,
    like the fox on the rocks,
    and the musical box.
    Yes, there's Mum & Dad, and good and bad,
    and everyone's happy to be here.

    There's Winston Churchill dressed in drag,
    he used to be a British flag, plastic bag, what a drag.
    The frog was a prince, the prince was a brick, the brick was an egg,
    the egg was a bird.
    (Fly away you sweet little thing, they're hard on your tail)
    Hadn't you heard?
    (They're going to change you into a human being!)
    Yahoo, we're happy as fish and gorgeous as geese,
    and wonderfully clean in the morning.

    We've got everything, we're growing everything,
    We've got some in
    We've got some out
    We've got some wild things floating about
    Everyone, we're changing everyone,
    you name them all,
    We've had them here,
    And the real stars are still to appear.

    ALL CHANGE!

    Feel your body melt;
    Mum to mud to mad to dad
    Dad diddley office, Dad diddley office,
    You're all full of ball.

    Dad to dam to dum to mum
    Mum diddley washing, Mum diddley washing,
    You're all full of ball.

    Let me hear you lies, we're living this up to the eyes.
    Ooee-ooee-ooee-oowaa
    Momma I want you now.

    And as you listen to my voice
    To look for hidden doors, tidy floors, more applause.
    You've been here all the time,
    Like it or not, like what you got,
    You're under the soil (the soil, the soil),
    Yes, deep in the soil (the soil, the soil, the soil, the soil!).
    So we'll end with a whistle and end with a bang
    and all of us fit in our places.


    Apocalypse In 9/8 (Co-Starring the delicious talents of Gabble Ratchet)

    With the guards of Magog, swarming around,
    The Pied Piper takes his children underground.
    Dragons coming out of the sea,
    Shimmering silver head of wisdom looking at me.
    He brings down the fire from the skies,
    You can tell he's doing well by the look in human eyes.
    Better not compromise.
    It won't be easy.

    666 is no longer alone,
    He's getting out the marrow in your back bone,
    And the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll,
    Gonna blow right down inside your soul.
    Pythagoras with the looking glass reflects the full moon,
    In blood, he's writing the lyrics of a HIP brand new tune.

    And it's hey babe, with your guardian eyes so blue,
    Hey my baby, don't you know our love is true,
    I've been so far from here,
    Far from your loving arms,
    Now I'm back again, and babe it's gonna work out fine.


    As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs (Aching Men's Feet)

    Can't you feel our souls ignite
    Shedding ever changing colours, in the darkness of the fading night,
    Like the river joins the ocean, as the germ in a seed grows
    We have finally been freed to get back home.

    There's an angel standing in the sun, and he's crying with a loud voice,
    "This is the supper of the mighty One",
    The Lord of Lords,
    King of Kings,
    Has returned to lead His children home,
    To take them to the new Jerusalem.


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    Re: Madman's Study

    Post  HigherLove on Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:35 am

    immortalisdolor wrote:What this is about and for:

    While observing the personal thread of "HigherLove" and the newly created one of"Hobbit", I realise my thought process may not always fit into the ones that are created by others. While reading, observing, and admiring the time posts by Hobbit, I know my thought process is different, at least for now, even though I know I somehow understand. So this will be my scrap book that will perhaps someday make sense, once I get it going. I am dedicating it to the wisdom and consistency of words from Hobbit and HigherLove. Thanks for your positive and intellectual influence. I also forgot to mention "Horus" as an influence, who has also been very radically consistent with his post. I will be going back and editing regularly previous post in this thread, when I find there is something that has been missed and or overlooked.


    Thank you.

    I love the freedom were are afforded, here. It will be fun to explore your posts.

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    Post  immortalisdolor on Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:43 am

    Thanks Higher Love, you have been an influence, of course everyone has....

    Back to work now, I am on a role..... Its da Wave


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