[5:46:37 AM] Tonyblue: Ok the critique from that guy is sound
[5:47:10 AM] Tonyblue: As I have also said many times Nassim''s 'Black Hole proton' is bogus
[5:47:46 AM] Tonyblue: Where Nassim is ok, is in presenting the Black hole physics as multiD
[5:47:54 AM] Tonyblue: This the critic cant see
[5:48:44 AM] Tonyblue: But the scientific argument 'against' Nassim all stand up BUT they are 3D
[5:49:03 AM] Tonyblue: The crux is the nature of the vacuum
[5:49:24 AM] Tonyblue: If the vacuum is 3D space then all this hyperphysics falls apart
[5:50:11 AM] Tonyblue: But if the string theory is correct, then the 'curled up' dimensions can be opened theoretically and release the ZPE
[5:50:48 AM] Tonyblue: Nassim talks about the Black Holes multi D, say string terms and the other bloke sees it in 3D terms
[5:51:54 AM] Tonyblue: I did not go into details, but the rotational dynamics also relate to multiD AND 3D
[5:52:56 AM] Tonyblue: There is new physics in Nassim's ideas, BUT they are not addressed properly by him.
[5:53:22 AM] Tonyblue: He seeks mainstream acceptance and his proton paper just does not cut it.
[5:53:56 AM] Xeia: it's hard to explain the metaphysical world with hard core mainstream science
[5:54:15 AM] Xeia: i think he does a more than ok job just for trying
[5:54:22 AM]Tonyblue: Yes this is at the core and Nassim is seeking 'attention' see and he is a flamboyant character
[5:54:31 AM] Tonyblue: the skeptics dont like that
[5:55:13 AM] Tonyblue: Yes I do like him as a populariser
[5:55:15 AM] Xeia: it's the same thing when ppl come ask me a question and i go all meta with them then they go like wtf?
[5:55:33 AM] Tonyblue: But he simply went too far, claiming Einstein and quantum mechanics are wrong
[5:55:47 AM] Xeia: i believe he said incomplete...not wrong
[5:56:13 AM] Tonyblue: Well I read the skeptic, he said wrong, I dont recall
[5:56:35 AM] Xeia: he added the "twist" remember?
[5:56:45 AM] Tonyblue: no
[5:56:55 AM] Xeia: lol
[5:57:33 AM] Tonyblue: This critic picked up certain basic physics flaws, I also saw in Nassim's presentations, but did not comment on
[5:57:49 AM] Tonyblue: As I sort of saw what he meant
[5:58:09 AM] Tonyblue: But the skeptics dont see this see. They are purely dogmatic here
[5:58:33 AM] Tonyblue: So there is little point arguing this
[5:58:49 AM] Xeia: i know you see it because you see multiD
[5:59:03 AM] Tonyblue: Only of the space dimensions extend, will the Nassim ideas be seen to mean something physical
[5:59:40 AM] Xeia: that guy goes nuts thinking "how can a black hole fit into a tiny cell!!???!!"
[5:59:42 AM] Xeia: hahahaha
[5:59:57 AM] Tonyblue: This skeptic is a mainstream scientist following the status quo
[6:00:09 AM] Xeia: not only a cell, but in higher D the same dynamics work on the entire human body as a whole
[6:00:23 AM] Tonyblue: Yes because he looks at it as a inertia in 3D
[6:00:27 AM] Xeia: everyliving organism for that matter
[6:00:34 AM] Tonyblue: The weight of it
[6:00:36 AM] Xeia: Drunvalo also explained it
[6:00:51 AM] Tonyblue: Small size can be big mass
[6:01:07 AM] Tonyblue: Yes but again all this is higherD
[6:01:10 AM] Tonyblue: Like the earth
[6:01:16 AM] Tonyblue: As a golfball
[6:01:24 AM] Xeia: exactly
[6:01:24 AM] Tonyblue: Hollow Earth BS etc
[6:01:53 AM] Tonyblue: You could not convince this skeptic, that it is Information AS MASS
[6:01:55 AM] Xeia: like my grandma used to say...one talks about potatoes the other one about sweet potatoes
[6:02:04 AM] Tonyblue: O perhaps one could lol I dont know
[6:02:06 AM] Xeia:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=450154146461[6:02:21 AM] Xeia: yeah well...
[6:02:51 AM] Xeia: at least he tried...not everyone is comfy with so much adoration for nassim
[6:03:00 AM] Tonyblue: lol
[6:03:04 AM] Xeia: haha
[6:03:19 AM] Tonyblue: Gotta go now its 6am
[6:03:32 AM] Xeia: to sleep?
[6:03:34 AM] Xeia: ok
[6:03:45 AM] Tonyblue: Yes I have been up all night, posting on JT's thread
] Xeia: omg
[6:03:56 AM] Xeia: yeah get some rest
[6:04:04 AM] Tonyblue: PTB agenda I also put on heaven
[6:04:14 AM] Xeia: i am reading the book of Job
[6:04:23 AM] Tonyblue: But it is linked to thr Hidden Hand on New World page 1
[6:04:28 AM] Tonyblue: Ah yes
[6:04:38 AM] Tonyblue: Good post on Gospel of Thomas
[6:04:44 AM] Xeia: yes i love it
[6:04:52 AM] Tonyblue: As an intro
[6:42:52 AM] Rok: why are u reading the book of job?
[6:43:34 AM] Xeia: among other things.....
[6:43:38 AM] Xeia: i am also doing other things at the same time
[6:43:59 AM] Xeia: why? amm...i stumbled upon it while looking for another post on heaven
[6:44:06 AM] Xeia: and i found it interesting
[6:44:51 AM] Rok: mhm
[9:17:26 AM] Ishtara Raven: My computer has a virus, got a friend here working on it for me, so I have limited internet for a few days on my phone
[11:55:22 AM] Tonyblue:
http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=C17555C0-95C0-4D2B-BFE3-1A43BF484EE4[11:55:51 AM] Tonyblue: Bob's physics is sound
[11:56:29 AM] Tonyblue: Actually this explains Nassims 'NONRESPONSE' to my letter to him
[11:56:40 AM] Tonyblue: Also on this weblink
[11:57:24 AM] Tonyblue: Seems he wanted me to give him academic 'credentials'
[11:57:52 AM] Tonyblue: Well I think like Nassim, but dont throw out established physics like Einstein and Bohr
[11:58:45 AM] Tonyblue: His 'one and only' published paper is pure bogus, as I said 2 years ago
[11:59:08 AM] Tonyblue: This paper on the Schwarzschild proton is dissected on this link
I looked at the critique AND Nassim's reply to it. I am in agreement with Bob, but accept the validity of Nassim's higherD Black Hole physics, but without his 'Schwarzschild proton'.
In particular, Nassim should calculate the Schwarzschild Proton the other way around.
Instead of using the proton's size; he should use the proton's subatomic mass. Then he would have easily seen the 'error of his ways'.
I do it for him here:
The actual Schwarzschild proton in hyperspace uses the m
c =m
Planck.Alpha
9~10
-28 kg in the Schwarzschild stasis (nonrotating and uncharged Black Holes) metric to give the supersmall (and physically unrealistic) sub-Planck-Length of:
R
proton=2Gm
c/c
2 ~ 2.5x10
-55 meters.
Then, as the smallest physically meaningful 'quantum displacement' is the 'Planck-Length-Oscillation' as √(Alpha).L
Planck ~ 2x10
-36 meters; no Schwarzschild Proton can physically exist, neither in 3D nor in string-membrane space of 12 dimensions.
http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=C17555C0-95C0-4D2B-BFE3-1A43BF484EE4