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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:22 pm

    Swiss Politicians to March on Bilderberg to Demand Arrest of Kissinger. http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg-2011-day-3-interviews-with-activists-journalists.html

    Bilderberg 2011 Attendee List. http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg-2011-full-official-attendee-list.html

    Belgium

    Coene, Luc, Governor, National Bank of Belgium
    Davignon, Etienne, Minister of State
    Leysen, Thomas, Chairman, Umicore

    China

    Fu, Ying, Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Huang, Yiping, Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University

    Denmark

    Eldrup, Anders, CEO, DONG Energy
    Federspiel, Ulrik, Vice President, Global Affairs, Haldor Topsøe A/S
    Schütze, Peter, Member of the Executive Management, Nordea Bank AB

    Germany

    Ackermann, Josef, Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank
    Enders, Thomas, CEO, Airbus SAS
    Löscher, Peter, President and CEO, Siemens AG
    Nass, Matthias, Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit
    Steinbrück, Peer, Member of the Bundestag; Former Minister of Finance

    Finland

    Apunen, Matti, Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
    Johansson, Ole, Chairman, Confederation of the Finnish Industries EK
    Ollila, Jorma, Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell
    Pentikäinen, Mikael, Publisher and Senior Editor-in-Chief, Helsingin Sanomat

    France

    Baverez, Nicolas, Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
    Bazire, Nicolas, Managing Director, Groupe Arnault /LVMH
    Castries, Henri de, Chairman and CEO, AXA
    Lévy, Maurice, Chairman and CEO, Publicis Groupe S.A.
    Montbrial, Thierry de, President, French Institute for International Relations
    Roy, Olivier, Professor of Social and Political Theory, European University Institute

    Great Britain

    Agius, Marcus, Chairman, Barclays PLC
    Flint, Douglas J., Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings
    Kerr, John, Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell
    Lambert, Richard, Independent Non-Executive Director, Ernst & Young
    Mandelson, Peter, Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel
    Micklethwait, John, Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
    Osborne, George, Chancellor of the Exchequer
    Stewart, Rory, Member of Parliament
    Taylor, J. Martin, Chairman, Syngenta International AG

    Greece

    David, George A., Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A.
    Hardouvelis, Gikas A., Chief Economist and Head of Research, Eurobank EFG
    Papaconstantinou, George, Minister of Finance
    Tsoukalis, Loukas, President, ELIAMEP Grisons

    International Organizations

    Almunia, Joaquín, Vice President, European Commission
    Daele, Frans van, Chief of Staff to the President of the European Council
    Kroes, Neelie, Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda
    Lamy, Pascal, Director General, World Trade Organization
    Rompuy, Herman van, President, European Council
    Sheeran, Josette, Executive Director, United Nations World Food Programme
    Solana Madariaga, Javier, President, ESADEgeo Center for Global Economy and Geopolitics
    Trichet, Jean-Claude, President, European Central Bank
    Zoellick, Robert B., President, The World Bank Group

    Ireland

    Gallagher, Paul, Senior Counsel; Former Attorney General
    McDowell, Michael, Senior Counsel, Law Library; Former Deputy Prime Minister
    Sutherland, Peter D., Chairman, Goldman Sachs International

    Italy

    Bernabè, Franco, CEO, Telecom Italia SpA
    Elkann, John, Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
    Monti, Mario, President, Univers Commerciale Luigi Bocconi
    Scaroni, Paolo, CEO, Eni S.p.A.
    Tremonti, Giulio, Minister of Economy and Finance

    Canada

    Carney, Mark J., Governor, Bank of Canada
    Clark, Edmund, President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group
    McKenna, Frank, Deputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group
    Orbinksi, James, Professor of Medicine and Political Science, University of Toronto
    Prichard, J. Robert S., Chair, Torys LLP
    Reisman, Heather, Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. Center, Brookings Institution

    Netherlands

    Bolland, Marc J., Chief Executive, Marks and Spencer Group plc
    Chavannes, Marc E., Political Columnist, NRC Handelsblad; Professor of Journalism
    Halberstadt, Victor, Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
    H.M. the Queen of the Netherlands
    Rosenthal, Uri, Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Winter, Jaap W., Partner, De Brauw Blackstone Westbroek

    Norway

    Myklebust, Egil, Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, sk Hydro ASA
    H.R.H. Crown Prince Haakon of Norway
    Ottersen, Ole Petter, Rector, University of Oslo
    Solberg, Erna, Leader of the Conservative Party

    Austria

    Bronner, Oscar, CEO and Publisher, Standard Medien AG
    Faymann, Werner, Federal Chancellor
    Rothensteiner, Walter, Chairman of the Board, Raiffeisen Zentralbank Österreich AG
    Scholten, Rudolf, Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG

    Portugal

    Balsemão, Francisco Pinto, Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister
    Ferreira Alves, Clara, CEO, Claref LDA; writer
    Nogueira Leite, António, Member of the Board, José de Mello Investimentos, SGPS, SA

    Sweden

    Mordashov, Alexey A., CEO, Severstal
    Schweden
    Bildt, Carl, Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Björling, Ewa, Minister for Trade
    Wallenberg, Jacob, Chairman, Investor AB

    Switzerland

    Brabeck-Letmathe, Peter, Chairman, Nestlé S.A.
    Groth, Hans, Senior Director, Healthcare Policy & Market Access, Oncology Business Unit, Pfizer Europe
    Janom Steiner, Barbara, Head of the Department of Justice, Security and Health, Canton
    Kudelski, André, Chairman and CEO, Kudelski Group SA
    Leuthard, Doris, Federal Councillor
    Schmid, Martin, President, Government of the Canton Grisons
    Schweiger, Rolf, Ständerat
    Soiron, Rolf, Chairman of the Board, Holcim Ltd., Lonza Ltd.
    Vasella, Daniel L., Chairman, Novartis AG
    Witmer, Jürg, Chairman, Givaudan SA and Clariant AG

    Spain

    Cebrián, Juan Luis, CEO, PRISA
    Cospedal, María Dolores de, Secretary General, Partido Popular
    León Gross, Bernardino, Secretary General of the Spanish Presidency
    Nin Génova, Juan María, President and CEO, La Caixa
    H.M. Queen Sofia of Spain

    Turkey

    Ciliv, Süreyya, CEO, Turkcell Iletisim Hizmetleri A.S.
    Gülek Domac, Tayyibe, Former Minister of State
    Koç, Mustafa V., Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
    Pekin, Sefika, Founding Partner, Pekin & Bayar Law Firm

    USA

    Alexander, Keith B., Commander, USCYBERCOM; Director, National Security Agency
    Altman, Roger C., Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
    Bezos, Jeff, Founder and CEO, Amazon.com
    Collins, Timothy C., CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
    Feldstein, Martin S., George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University
    Hoffman, Reid, Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
    Hughes, Chris R., Co-founder, Facebook
    Jacobs, Kenneth M., Chairman & CEO, Lazard
    Johnson, James A., Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
    Jordan, Jr., Vernon E., Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
    Keane, John M., Senior Partner, SCP Partners; General, US Army, Retired
    Kissinger, Henry A., Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
    Kleinfeld, Klaus, Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
    Kravis, Henry R., Co-Chairman and co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis, Roberts & Co.
    Kravis, Marie-Josée, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.
    Li, Cheng, Senior Fellow and Director of Research, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution
    Mundie, Craig J., Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
    Orszag, Peter R., Vice Chairman, Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.
    Perle, Richard N., Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
    Rockefeller, David, Former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank
    Rose, Charlie, Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose
    Rubin, Robert E., Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
    Schmidt, Eric, Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
    Steinberg, James B., Deputy Secretary of State
    Thiel, Peter A., President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC
    Varney, Christine A., Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust
    Vaupel, James W., Founding Director, Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research
    Warsh, Kevin, Former Governor, Federal Reserve Board
    Wolfensohn, James D., Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC


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    Re: Swiss Politicians to March on Bilderberg to Demand Arrest of Kissinger

    Post  newel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:27 pm

    Yeah I'm watching a vid about this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgx3fM4mgo


    I'm anxious to see what will come out of it.
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    Post  Carol on Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:44 pm

    If only. The damage that man has caused along with Bush Senior has created mega loss of life along with quality of life.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:44 pm

    Thank-you metaw3 and Carol. This might be a good thing, but I keep worrying about the Cornered and Hurt Animal Syndrome. The PTB - visible and invisible - might be capable of just about anything. I am rather apprehensive. I don't want them to go away mad. I just want them to go away.
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    Post  Carol on Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:54 pm

    Oxy you have a kind heart. I would prefer that they get recycled off the planet and into a denser dimension. Maybe hang out as a rock for a few thousand years.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:46 pm

    I'd still like to know the entire ancient story of our existence, including any star wars. Bilderberg and the People We Love to Hate might be subject to a lot of ancient baggage. I'm not saying they aren't sell-outs, but the galctic and theological aspects of this present darkness should not be ignored. According to Bill Cooper, Henry Kissinger worked around the clock, and wouldn't talk to anyone, when he was learning about all of the forbidden knowledge. Might he have been learning the terms of our enslavement? I'm trying to place myself in the shoes of both Alex Jones and Henry Kissinger, as well as in the shoes of Osiris, Isis, Ra, and Horus. I'd still like to read a thousand-page, eyes-only, secret-document which spells everything out, with absolutely no bullshit, regarding this solar system and the predicament of the human race. I know this sort of thing exists, and it would probably completely change the way I think about a lot of things. I continue to think that the worst of the worst should be incarcerated and reeducated, even if it takes millions of years to get them back on track, and to properly deal with all karmic-debt issues.
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    Post  Carol on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:03 pm

    Europe Marches on Bilderberg Tyrants An urgent message to the globalists now meeting behind closed doors to..

    On Saturday, June 11, activists from across Europe will converge on St. Moritz, Switzerland, and take an urgent message to the globalists now meeting behind closed doors to plot our collective futures – we stand united in our opposition to your plan to drive humanity into slavery by wrecking national economies, undermining national sovereignty, and striving to implement through the IMF a one-world currency and an authoritarian world government with a high-tech police state to enforce its mandates formulated in secret.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/europe-marches-on-bilderberg-tyrants.html


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:18 pm

    Thank-you Carol. What do you think about the theory of an Isis-Led Old World Order vs a Ra-Led New World Order? What do you think of both Isis and Ra as being Anti-Christ (opposed to, and in place of, Michael/Horus/Jesus)? What if Jesus never left Earth? What if it is God the Father who is returning to Earth to clean-up the mess? Incoming Annunaki vs Local Annunaki? The Second Coming of God the Father to Demote Isis and Ra - and Promote Horus? Might we be dealing with an Isis Dominated Old World Order Vatican vs a Ra Dominated New World Order Nazi Party? But might they be two sides of the same coin? Has a good, but relatively powerless, Jesus been pushed off to the side by these two bad@$$ powerhouses? Is Jesus basically holding their coats while they fight it out, with millions of human beings as collateral damage?


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    Post  TRANCOSO on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:25 pm

    To my knowledge this is the first time the Chinese are invited at a Bilderberg meeting...
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:30 pm

    Thank-you TRANCOSO. Perhaps the Chinese invited the Bilderbergers to THEIR meeting. Perhaps THEY are taking over...
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    Post  Carol on Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:00 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Carol.

    What do you think about the theory of an Isis-Led Old World Order vs a Ra-Led New World Order?


    What do you think of both Isis and Ra as being Anti-Christ (opposed to, and in place of, Michael/Horus/Jesus)?

    What if Jesus never left Earth? What if it is God the Father who is returning to Earth to clean-up the mess?

    Incoming Annunaki vs Local Annunaki?

    The Second Coming of God the Father to Demote Isis and Ra - and Promote Horus?

    Might we be dealing with an Isis Dominated Old World Order Vatican vs a Ra Dominated New World Order Nazi

    Party?

    But might they be two sides of the same coin?

    Has a good, but relatively powerless, Jesus been pushed off to the side by these two bad@$$ powerhouses?

    Is Jesus basically holding their coats while they fight it out, with millions of human beings as collateral damage?

    Oxy, all of these questions basically require an answer based on speculation. I generally don't answer speculation questions because I really don't what the answer is and anything I would have to add would just be a guess.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:18 pm

    Thank-you Carol. I smell smoke, and I'm looking for the fire.
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    Post  TRANCOSO on Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:56 am

    Carol wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Carol.

    What do you think about the theory of an Isis-Led Old World Order vs a Ra-Led New World Order?


    What do you think of both Isis and Ra as being Anti-Christ (opposed to, and in place of, Michael/Horus/Jesus)?

    What if Jesus never left Earth? What if it is God the Father who is returning to Earth to clean-up the mess?

    Incoming Annunaki vs Local Annunaki?

    The Second Coming of God the Father to Demote Isis and Ra - and Promote Horus?

    Might we be dealing with an Isis Dominated Old World Order Vatican vs a Ra Dominated New World Order Nazi

    Party?

    But might they be two sides of the same coin?

    Has a good, but relatively powerless, Jesus been pushed off to the side by these two bad@$$ powerhouses?

    Is Jesus basically holding their coats while they fight it out, with millions of human beings as collateral damage?

    Oxy, all of these questions basically require an answer based on speculation. I generally don't answer speculation questions because I really don't what the answer is and anything I would have to add would just be a guess.
    Isis & Ra are lovers & neither cares less or more for humans.

    The Anunnaki have created us, & by God, they they have the right to destroy us, whether we like it or not.

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    Post  Jenetta on Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:04 am

    Isis & Ra are lovers & neither cares less or more for humans.

    The Anunnaki have created us, & by God, they they have the right to destroy us, whether we like it or not.

    Honestly, untill New Years Eve 2012-2013, I'm gonna party...

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    According to The Sirian Revelations (No More Secrets No More Lies) by Patricia Cori the Annunaki had nothing to do with originally creating us...they did manage to muck up our DNA and create a powerful electro magnetic grid around the planet to diffuse communications from various ET races (our original creators who blessed us with 12 strand DNA). That force field is now weakening which is why more people are waking up to their full light being potential.
    Whatever...

    I see more & more 'awoken' people around me who have such trouble to make ends meet that they have something else on their minds than the Anunnaki, or The Serian Revelations.

    Apparently those 'various ET races (our original creators)' don't give a f#ck whether we live or die here either, or they are a bunch of sad losers, dominated by the same Anunnaki who mucked up our DNA.

    Our full life potential lies far beyond the 3D life as we know it right here, right now.

    On a scale of 0-100 we're at 0,5 now - at most.

    Life on Earth anno 2011 is an illusive illusion, nothing more, nothing less.
    It's just one big mess.

    Our biggest concern right now, should be CERN, imo.

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    Post  Micjer on Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:42 am

    Did anyone notice some of the names invited?

    This one stood out to me. This is why I am not a facebook member.


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    Alexander, Keith B., Commander, USCYBERCOM; Director, National Security Agency
    Altman, Roger C., Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
    Bezos, Jeff, Founder and CEO, Amazon.com
    Collins, Timothy C., CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
    Feldstein, Martin S., George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University
    Hoffman, Reid, Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
    Hughes, Chris R., Co-founder, Facebook
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    Post  TRANCOSO on Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:54 am

    Micjer wrote:Did anyone notice some of the names invited?

    This one stood out to me. This is why I am not a facebook member.


    USA

    Alexander, Keith B., Commander, USCYBERCOM; Director, National Security Agency
    Altman, Roger C., Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
    Bezos, Jeff, Founder and CEO, Amazon.com
    Collins, Timothy C., CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
    Feldstein, Martin S., George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University
    Hoffman, Reid, Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
    Hughes, Chris R., Co-founder, Facebook

    Me neither.

    Facebook was something where all my bells started ringing telling me to stay away from it... Like blackberies, iPhones, any mobile device that you get for free - any deal that seems to good to be true...
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    Post  Micjer on Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:03 am



    Anyone trying to organize any type of demonstration/rebellion would easily be "picked" off using facebook, especially when people's real names are used......HELLLO!!!!!!!
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    Post  Carol on Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:19 am

    In order to evolve one has to think outside of the box TRANCOSO. Meaning I don't subscribe or buy into any of the BS that so many put out, even religion. There comes a time when the chrysalis (various teachings and doctrines) must be left behind where we spread our wings and fly. It's all about which energy frequency one chooses to align oneself with. It really is that simple. The first step requires a conscious decision based on spiritual awareness.

    We do not need any of the trappings others attempt to enslave humanity with as the human spirit is already divine. And that my dear, is god's truth.


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    Post  Carol on Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:26 am

    Perhaps it's time to hit the ball out of the park and consider these following possibilities. Although I'm not into the Zetas there are some very interesting possibilities listed here worth considering and weighing from one's own personal internal perspective.

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    Spiritual Densities

    This is a blog post I put up from ZetaTalk that describes Spiritual Densities.
    http://zetatalk.tumblr.com/post/6378419729/spiritual-densities
    Physical Density
    Objects in 3rd and 4th Density occupy the same space, as when humans are moved through walls. What we call sub-atomic particles move at different frequencies or vibrations. They do not collide or even recognize each other. Their motion does not put them in the same place at the same time, anymore than if you were to walk through the forest. The trees are more dense in this instance, in that from your view they aren’t moving at all. You guide yourself past the trees. Sub-atomic particles in 4th Density in essence flow past those in 3rd Density, as water does to obstacles in its path. Molecules in 3rd Density and 4th Density simply slide by each other, and do not interact. Thus, they can even occupy the same space. Space, in fact, is more empty than full. A planet, likewise, can and is both 3rd and 4th Density at the same time. Regarding the issue of how we travel, or move a human through walls. The Zetas are not allowed to explain fully. Suffice it to explain that they make a reservation in the vibrational density we wish to move to, and then move.

    If the Zetas are moving into a density already occupied, they ensure a safe move by first freezing the objects in the reserved area so that no molecular action is occurring. It is in essence a dead stop, similar to what the soil at landing sites is exhibiting when plants fail to grow there for some time after the landing as the mineral nutrients are frozen for a time. After objects in the reservation area are frozen they are taken into the density we are shifting from, still in their frozen state. The receiving point is essentially in the middle of a vacuum, to minimize molecular encounters. When the frozen portions from the reservation area are at hand, we step into this same area, arrange ourselves around any object temporarily taken from the density we are moving to, and all is then quickly returned to the target density. Horrors such as occurred at the Philadelphia Experiment are not possible with this procedure, for if the target density is so crowded that we cannot step into the arena, we return the objects and select another spot.

    Spiritual Density
    All humans on Earth are currently in the physical 3rd Density, regardless of how spiritually mature they are. This means that there are humans operating at the level of 4th Density Service-to-Self or Service-to-Others, humans who will graduate to a full 4th Density spiritual existence after the Transformation, who are being kept at the 3rd Density physical plane. All humans, of whatever spiritual level attained, must move together to the 4th Density physical plane when the Earth has reached approximately 89% operating in the Service-to-Others orientation─the Earth’s designated future orientation. Even those humans who are spiritually in the 3rd Density, not having completed their orientation lesson, will move to the 4th Density physical plane at that time. This mixing of the spiritual and physical densities is a Transformation necessity. The alternative would be for 4th Density spiritual humans to suddenly disappear one day, having moved to another dimension, so to speak. This would not only alarm other 3rd Density humans in the vicinity, but would not be the choice of those in 4th Density Service-to-Others, who consider their responsibilities. They would not wish to leave behind those they feel responsible for. Thus, all move together.

    Same Space
    Different densities means that simultaneously, in the same spot, several realities can occur. The Zetas have spoken of 1st Density through 6th Density, and inferred that there are higher densities humans really need not be concerned with at this time. 1st Density through 3rd Density occupy the same plane, i.e. reside in the same reality together. 1st Density is rock and water, without life. 2nd Density is life without conscious intelligence, such as plants and animals, even such intelligent animals as chimpanzees. 3rd Density is intelligent, conscious, life, such as humans have. 1st and 2nd Density are referred to as densities not because they are truly of differing density states, but because they indicate different levels of spiritual potential. Density is a term that refers not only to the physical state, but to the spiritual. Thus in 1st Density the spiritual potential is nil. In 2nd Density, the spiritual density potential is possible, and in fact at times incarnations into 2nd Density life occurs, as a lesson. In 3rd Density, spiritual potential is realized, etc.

    In densities higher than 3rd Density, co-existence can occur. Thus, it occurs that on the planet Earth, where 3rd Density humans are living and walking about, 4th, 5th, and higher Density incarnations are living and moving about, occupying the same space, as it were. This occurs because of a higher vibration rate of the sub-atomic particles. Were one to travel rapidly through the densities occurring in a single spot, one would see first the 3rd Density existence on the 3rd Density Earth, with say a human standing in a field of corn; then, moving to 4th Density existence one might see, for instance, a Zeta standing in a forest, where the forest and the Earth it grows upon are both in 4th Density; then, moving to 5th Density, one might see yet another scene. When we state that the Earth is scheduled to move to 4th Density Service-to-Others, we are describing what is to happen to humans. There will still be a 3rd Density Earth, on the same plane as the future 4th Density home of humans, as a portion of the Earth will be left in 3rd Density.

    Much confusion reigns on the issue of density. Humans, for instance, were used to the concept of matter and energy being discrete and separate. Matter could not be energy, and energy could not be matter. Then Einstein shook things up and humans, after much painful denial and agony, allowed their concepts of reality to change. Density understanding is just such a quantum concept leap. In all fairness, the concept of density differences is difficult for even your scientists to deal with. The layman should be excused and granted a little confusion.

    Switch Density
    Regarding what it feels like to move from 3rd Density to 4th Density. This will be scarcely perceptible. There is no pain. There is no sensation. The impact is not from the entity’s physical body, which moves as a whole to the other density, but from the surroundings. Bear in mind that we, the Zetas, move ourselves between densities often in our work. We also move humans between densities frequently, during our endeavors. Humans sometimes recall these instances, and state with amazement that they moved through walls or the like. They are adjusting to their surroundings. The move between densities is graduated, so that a move is not necessarily complete. If physical barriers are to be overcome, we, the Zetas, can alter our or human densities slightly, so that communal passage between what would be considered solid objects is possible.

    The Zetas state simply that in changing to 4th Density, as the Earth will, shortly, humans will not be aware that anything has happened. Spiritually the humans may feel more aware of other’s feelings, as though spirituality increased in all those around one. This will not be understood to be a density change in most humans, who will ascribe the change to other influences.

    Earth’s Switch
    Just as living beings, such as the Zetas and us, can be in different densities, coexisting in the same spot but being unaware of each other, so planets can and do so coexist. 4th Density planets are not as prevalent as planets in the root density, for obvious reasons. Planets are moved to 4th Density only to support life in 4th Density, and most planets do not have any life at all. So what does the Universe then look like, in 4th Density? Sparse. Imagine our Solar System, its Sun always visible and the orbiting planets among the many stars in the sky. In 4th Density there will be a Sun, but its appearance will be different─not as bright, and more pale. Will astronomers have to adjust to a new night sky? Most certainly, as there will be fewer stars and many of the old guides will be gone. However, as this change will take place shortly after the cataclysms, with all its travails and gloomy cloud cover, any telescopes operational will be useless. Even today, astronomers require a clear night. When the scientific community has regrouped, new maps of the sky will be redrawn, with only an occasional scratch of the head as to why the skies, too, have changed.

    After the switch, humans will be able to look directly at the new 4th Density Sun without distress or injury. Sunburn will be a thing of the past. Where the Sun will be less intense, the winters will be more extreme, creating an Earth with less land mass in a habitable zone. Rather than a steamy equator, the equator will be essentially temperate and the poles will occupy almost half the available surface areas. Lest this seem grim, it should be understood that ice at the poles ties up much water in the form of ice, and the sea level will thus drop several hundred feet. All in all, a good trade off. Since this will occur some 100 years or more after the pole shift this should not affect any humans currently worried about surviving the pole shift. All humans surviving the pole shift will have died, and incarnated safely elsewhere, before this climate change occurs.

    After the switch, humans will find their Moon has traveled with them to 4th Density, as its influence on the tides is something life on Earth has come to rely on and has adapted to. Without the Moon, the many forms of life in tidal pools would die and the cleansing action of washing tides would cease.
    After the switch, humans will find all the plants and animals now on the 3rd Density Earth, their beautiful world, has also moved. The humans of the future, the hybrids we are developing, will not live in a lifeless 4th Density world - spare, bleak, without vegetation, song birds, or fish. Where we will leave some agents of disease behind, the human body will still be subject to stress and degenerative diseases, as well as aging, as all this is inherent in the genetic structure of the human body. Lions and tigers and wolves will also come along, as without predators your wild herds would soon create a population problem. The starvation of many versus the occasional quick kill. Nature will continue as before.

    After the switch humans will find that all humans, whether they have graduated to a 4th Density spiritual plane or not, have moved. For some entities, they will recall living through the cataclysms and then later through a time when humans seemed more mentally connected and in touch with one another. Then, upon death, they will be moved to another 3rd Density world, with others who will share these memories. Back to 3rd Density, to continue their orientation lesson.

    Density Crossovers
    The Zetas have mentioned that the stuff of souls, the substance spirits are composed of, transcends all density levels as it can interact with what humans call the physical world on all density levels, simultaneously. Most humans are at best newly formed entities incarnated into an intelligent body native to the Earth. Both the entity, or spirit form, and the human body newly emerged into consciousness are aware only of the corporeal world around them. They naturally think this predominant. It is not. Those formed entities who have experienced thousands of incarnations and have begun to interact with entities from other worlds are aware of the spirit world also. But until an entity has arrived at higher density levels and themselves has been at the helm during density shifting, they are only superficially aware of how vast the Universe actually is.

    Corporeal existence is but a layer in the total strata, and there are more substances than the stuff of souls that can transcend the corporeal layers. Thus, when we switch ourselves and our ships and our contactees between 3rd and 4th Density, we can remain anchored to the spot where we wish to return. These anchors are so accurate and certain that we can even remove a contactee from their clothing, examine them in the nude, and return them back within their clothing with narry a strap askew or sleeve rumpled. Likewise, our 4th Density underwater residences on Earth and our 4th Density dome homes on the surface of Mars are firmly anchored to their locales on these planets. Density cross-overs are not substances humans are aware of, but coexist everywhere in the Universe along with corporeal substances and the stuff of souls.

    Density Merging
    During density switching, which alien visitors and their ships and even their contactees are doing regularly, the mass being switched is relatively small. The switch, as we have explained, is done by making a reservation in the density receiving the mass, so a collision is avoided. But during massive switching, as will occur during the Earth’s Transformation to 4th Density, other procedures are involved. There is, at the present time, nothing in 4th Density in the Solar System except alien visitors and their paraphernalia. This is moved aside. Then the switch will be made, and then the alien visitors will migrate back, setting up housekeeping in different places.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:45 am

    I'm considering taking a close look at Vatican I (1870), Vatican II (1962-1965), and the period between the First and Second Vatican Councils, especially regarding Italy and Germany. I'm reading about Pope Pius XII, who was born in 1876 and died in 1958. This is just a suggested area of research, especially as it relates to a possible Nazi<>Gizeh-Intelligence<>Vatican relationship, and as it relates to possible reincarnations of Osiris, Isis, Ra, and Horus. This is about seeking understanding, rather than digging up dirt. I don't know if I'll really pursue this, but someone should. Please forgive me for asking so many questions, and making so many speculations, but I think there is a hidden story of our origins, history, and current plight, which might explain a lot of things, but which might also make us even less happy than we are presently. I'm currently toying with the 'Disfunctional Egyptian Royal Family Theory', to try to make sense out of the madness. I want to be reverent and religious, yet I keep rebelling against a lot of religious doctrine and practice. I keep trying to find the holy grail of politics and religion, but so far, my efforts have been unsatisfying, possibly because there are no happy answers to all of the problems. I remain a mixture of incurable optimism and unyielding despair. Look at the faces of the Bilderberg attendees. Do they look happy and on top of the world? I keep talking about solar system governance, but I really and truly believe that if all of my tentative ideas and solutions were accepted, and I became involved in a United States of the Solar System, that I would probably be less happy than I am presently, and that's not very happy. I see lots of struggling and suffering in our future, but I will continue to seek more sane ways to manage the insanity, whether or not anyone listens, and whether or not it does anyone any good.
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    Post  Carol on Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:36 am

    Oxy, often the human condition involves lots of struggling and suffering. There is nothing new here other then then the players.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:40 pm

    Thank-you Carol. It's sort of fun to complain and speculate, with no responsibility. If the complainers got what they wanted, they would find something else to complain about, and I'm sure it would be that way with me. I continue to seek understanding, more than condemnation, even though I am quite indelicate and irreverent in my pseudo-intellectual truth-seeking. I'm not hateful and angry, but I'm not very friendly or loyal. I continue to think that pain is the cost of doing business in the universe.
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    Post  Carol on Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:09 pm

    I guess I'm more the sort who is into problem solving. Only the problem are people who call the shots who lack compassion are are self-serving. Given the human/demonic condition/situation with said individual probably the only way to alter their mind set is to spike their coffee with MDA ( http://www.mdma.net/mda.html ) and pipe in spiritual music.

    Honestly, people who seek to follow satan and practice satanic rituals are not the sort to understand what Service-to-Others is about nor even care.

    We are looking at multiple world, philosophical and spiritual views that are diametrically opposed to one another. Trying to bring all of these conflicting world views into one harmonious productive effort is next to impossible. Especially for those who choose to control others and those who don't wished to be controlled.


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