Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:15 pm

    And now -- I introduce to you -- Saint Sulpice. This is where I would attend church if I lived in Paris. But I wouldn't kneel or take communion. I'd have to attend incognito - but the Queen of Heaven / God of This World would see me - wouldn't they? Silas would probably chase me! The horror!

    1. Marchand Basse de Trompette http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haywAX7nfi0

    2. Bach Partita (Part I) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpIZ0DcM1Yo&NR=1

    3. Bach Partita (Part II) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpIZ0DcM1Yo&NR=1

    4. Sweelink Chromatische Fantasie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U-ID4F9g9k&feature=related

    5. Vierne Symphony 2 Allegro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8cckqkP7lg&feature=related

    6. Bach BWV 537 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njV3Po8MlBo&feature=related

    7. Bach BWV 546 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lXbFtHU9bY&feature=related

    8. Widor Syphonie Gothique Andante Sustanuto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCLBo5Igs_Y&feature=related

    9. Chauchefer-Choplin Improvisation 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCLBo5Igs_Y&feature=related

    10. Chauchefer-Choplin Improvisation 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAeJyX0MR98&feature=related

    11. Roth Demonstration and Improvisation (Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlWfObgPmM&feature=related

    12. Roth Demonstration and Improvisation (Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWWpjVclwX0&feature=related

    13. Roth Demonstration and Improvisation (Part 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZKr12sx_s&feature=related

    14. Roth Demonstration and Improvisation (Part 4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXo5SW5XUQ4&feature=related

    15. Roth Improvisation 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Rf9Dx4bRc&feature=related

    16. Roth Improvisation 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggMblcQaPxk&feature=related

    17. Roth Improvisation 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHFkKtw8yMg&feature=related

    18. Bach BWV 545 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpX78dSe1gM&feature=related

    19. Dupre Passion Symphonie Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHOfP4MEfc&feature=related

    20. Dupre Cortege et Litanie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcMtB27z7E&feature=related

    21. Dupre Improvisation on Veni Creator Spiritus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOnr5uhoPlE&feature=related

    22. Dupre Carillon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&feature=related

    23. Dupre Prelude and Fugue Opus 36 Number 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztpey-Jt4Jc&feature=related

    24. Guilmant Andante Con Moto Opus 16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap_2j7qrSeQ&feature=related



    Sanicle wrote:Aaah, you work so hard Orthodoxymoron! God bless you.

    Thank-you Sanicle. It's a labor of love and madness. It's a tempest in a teapot. I could work really hard - and derive the Schrodinger Wave Equation. Or, I could pursue fame, fortune, power, and pleasure - by promising everyone fame, fortune, power, and pleasure. Saving the Solar System is not a marketable job skill. I hate to say it - but the general public makes it very easy for the powers that be - to be cynical and corrupt. Meanwhile, the powers that be make it very easy for the general public to not know and not care. This results in the corrupt ruling the stupid. I've decided to try to take a middle-road, and make all of this into entertainment and science-fiction - and just stop worrying about whether anyone gives a damn, or not. I guess that's a bit selfish - but I do think there is some logic to simultaneously caring and not caring. Otherwise, one can go nuts by trying to be too good. But how good is too good? I once stumped a very intelligent 'bad-guy' with that one!



    SOME SAY THIS IS WHAT GOD SAID IN THE BEGINNING:




    PLEASE CONSIDER READING THE FOLLOWING TEXT OUT-LOUD - WHILE LISTENING TO A LATIN MASS - EACH AND EVERY DAY - AS A MENTAL AND SPIRITUAL EXERCISE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE&feature=related

    WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH are determined to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System can be maintained, and to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom. To practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and to unite our strength to maintain interplanetary peace and security, and to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and to employ interplanetary machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples.

    Recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world. Disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people. It is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law. It is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between Member States. We the people of Earth have reaffirmed our faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom. Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United States of the Solar System the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms. A common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance.

    Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of The United States of the Solar System...is a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all Member States, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping these principles, concepts, and documents constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, interstate and interplanetary, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance among the peoples of Member States.

    All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms inherent in the United States of the Solar System, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, territorial or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political or jurisdictional status of the Member State to which a person belongs.

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law. All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination. Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent Member State tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile. Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under state or interplanetary law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each Member State. Everyone has the right to leave any Member State, and to return. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other Member States asylum from persecution. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United States of the Solar System. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

    Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, state or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

    Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his state, directly or through freely chosen representatives. Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his Member State. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures. Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through state effort and interplanetary co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each Member State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

    Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests. Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay. Everyone has the right to work to achieve a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all Member States, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United States of the Solar System for the maintenance of peace. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

    Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United States of the Solar System.

    We, the People of Earth, extend greetings to all races in the Greater Community of the Universe. We acknowledge our common heritage before the Creator of all the Universe, both visible and invisible. We declare the planet Earth as our sacred inheritance. We pledge henceforth to sustain and preserve the Earth for all generations to come. We call upon all humanity to treat all races everywhere with wisdom and justice, here on Earth and throughout the Universe.

    We, the People of Earth, regard the need for freedom to be universal. Therefore, we hold that all individuals in all worlds are created equal and are endowed by the Creator with sacred and inalienable rights. Fundamental among these are the right to live as a free race; the right of self-determination, self-sufficiency, and creative expression; the right to life without oppression; and the right to pursue in life a higher purpose and a higher calling that the Creator has provided to all.

    Before the Greater Community of the Universe, we, the People of Earth, do now invoke these fundamental rights for ourselves, along with certain rights that naturally derive from them, including:

    -The right of sovereignty. The People of Earth shall be self-governed and independent, neither subject to nor dependent upon any other authority. No extraterrestrial force shall contravene or abrogate the human sovereignty of this planet.

    -The right of planetary sanctity. Earth shall be free from extraterrestrial intervention, intrusion, interference, or exploitation, both mental and physical. No extraterrestrial force shall make close approach, or assume close orbit, or make any landing, or engage in trade, except openly and with the expressed consent of the People of Earth achieved through a democratic means.

    -The right of sanctity of biological and genetic material. No extraterrestrial power shall take, possess, or manipulate human biological or genetic material for any purpose whatsoever.

    -The right of occupation. We the People of Earth claim this Solar System as our sphere of influence. No extraterrestrial bases may be established on bodies or stations orbiting the Earth, nor on other planets or bodies of this Solar System, except with the expressed consent of the People of Earth.

    -The right of peaceful navigation. We claim the right to travel and explore within our Solar System without interference or restraint from extraterrestrial forces, and maintain the right to deny access to this Solar System by any extraterrestrial forces.

    We, the People of Earth, consider it our rightful responsibility to assert and defend these fundamental rights, and to give and receive aid consistent with these rights.

    When in the course of their evolution it becomes necessary for the native people of a planet to unite, to transcend the conflicts and differences that have separated them from one another, and to assume among the powers of the Universe a separate and equal sovereignty, a respectful consideration of that sovereignty requires that they declare the causes which impel them to this present course of action.

    Although the Earth has undergone a long history of extraterrestrial visitation, the current situation is that the People of Earth are now suffering the effects of a global extraterrestrial intervention into human affairs. This intervention employs a strategy of deception, manipulation, and exploitation, the goal of which is control over humanity, which will result in the loss of human freedom and self-determination. It is now the sacred right and duty of the People of Earth to oppose, resist, and repel this extraterrestrial intervention, to declare and defend our sovereignty, our freedom, and our independence from all extraterrestrial forces.

    Let these violations be considered by those supporting the cause of freedom throughout the Greater Community:

    -Intervening extraterrestrial forces have refused to openly disclose and reveal the nature and intent of their activities on and around Earth. This extraterrestrial presence is clandestine, covert, uninvited, and unapproved by the People of Earth. These extraterrestrial forces have concealed their own identity, their political or economic alliances and allegiances, as well as the authorities and powers which they serve.

    -As is becoming increasingly apparent from their actions, extraterrestrial forces intend to exploit the Earth, its resources, and its people, and are engaged in a systematic program of colonizing humanity into a subservient client state to be ruled by agents of these extraterrestrial forces. The extraterrestrial intervention and occupation seeks commercial gain, economic power, and the strategic advantage offered by this world in relation to other worlds.

    -Extraterrestrial forces have repeatedly and with impunity violated national and international laws of the Earth’s people. These offenses, which still continue today, have included violation of restricted airspace; abduction and transportation of humans without their consent; murder, rape, torture, sexual abuse, interbreeding with humans, and cruel experimentation; theft and trade of human biological and genetic materials; theft and trade of Earth’s natural resources; covert mental and psychological influence; mutilation of humans and animals; tampering with and disabling of military defense systems; and clandestine infiltration into human society.

    -Extraterrestrial forces have secretly negotiated treaties and agreements with human individuals and groups, without the informed consent of the People of Earth.

    -Extraterrestrial forces have systematically attempted to persuade and mislead humans through extending false hopes and promises of wealth, power, and protection; rescue from planetary catastrophe; membership in a “galactic federation”; and spiritual salvation and enlightenment.

    -Extraterrestrial forces have exploited and exacerbated human conflicts to serve their own ends.

    -Extraterrestrial forces have been disempowering humanity by leading us to believe that we can only survive with their help and their advanced technology, thus fostering our complete dependence upon them and denying our ability to ensure our own survival.

    Accordingly, we, the People of Earth, do hereby declare all previously existing agreements or treaties between any human government, group, or individual and any extraterrestrials to be forthwith null, void, and permanently suspended. We demand that any such previously existing treaties or agreements be fully and publicly disclosed. Any future agreements or treaties between human governments, groups, or individuals and extraterrestrials must be negotiated only with the full consent of the People of Earth, publicly and openly expressed by an international democratic body representing the nations and peoples of Earth.

    We demand that all extraterrestrials now cease all operations and activities and immediately vacate and depart from the Earth and its surroundings including the Sun, Earth’s Moon, and all planets of this Solar System. This includes vacating any natural or artificial satellites, as well as all space within the Solar System.

    We demand that all extraterrestrial organizations who have established or operated bases on the Earth, its Moon, or anywhere else within this Solar System, to vacate these bases, and fully disclose their nature. These bases should then be used to defend the Solar System.

    We further demand that all living humans who are now in custody of extraterrestrials be returned immediately in good health; further, we demand a full accounting of all humans who have been taken or held by extraterrestrials, including those who have died in captivity. In addition, we demand that all human biological or genetic materials taken from any individuals be accounted for and destroyed, and their intended use be identified. Any devices implanted in living individuals must be identified so that they may be safely removed.

    We demand full public disclosure of the purpose and details of the extraterrestrial hybridization program, including the location, identity, and activities of all living human-extraterrestrial hybrids, whether on Earth or elsewhere.

    Be it known throughout the Universe that from this time forward, extraterrestrials may only enter our Solar System, approach our Earth, fly in our skies, set foot on our soil, or enter our waters with the explicit consent of the People of Earth.

    We, therefore, do solemnly declare that the People of Earth are and should be a free and independent people; that all humans are hereby absolved from all allegiance to extraterrestrial powers, and that all political and economic connections between them and the People of Earth are totally dissolved; that as a free and sovereign race in the Greater Community of the Universe, we assume full power within this Solar System to conclude peace, levy war, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to undertake all other actions which a sovereign planetary race may rightfully and ethically do.

    Let it be understood that in making this Declaration of Human Sovereignty, we, the People of Earth, affirm our future and destiny as a free race within a Greater Community of intelligent life. We recognize that we are a part of this Greater Community and that we are destined over time to encounter many different races from beyond our world.

    To them and to all others, we hereby declare that our intention is not conquest or domination in space. We declare that the rights and privileges that we affirm here for ourselves, we also affirm for all races of beings whom we might encounter.

    In making our Declaration of Human Sovereignty, we proclaim our rights, responsibilities, and privileges as a free race in order that we may pursue greater unity, peace, and cooperation within the human family without unwanted or unwarranted intrusion and interference by any outside nation or force from the Greater Community. We make this proclamation as an expression of our Divine right and honorable intent for the human family and for all races in the Universe who seek to be free.

    We the People of Earth desire the following Church Reforms: To replace Canon Law with the Teachings of Jesus. To institute a Modified Latin Mass (with no communion - emphasizing the remembrance of Christ and His Teachings - rather than His Sacrifice) - offering Masses seven days a week - with no preference regarding the day or days of attendance. To base All Homilies, Theology, and Ritual Upon the Teachings of Jesus. To eliminate Penance and Confession (replacing both with psychological and spiritual counseling). To allow Women to be Priests and Popes. To allow Priests to Marry and Popes to Marry (and to eliminate all blasphemous titles). To eliminate Most Crucifixes (The bloody, dying, and mostly naked Jesus should not be paraded and displayed. To remove most and clothe most of the rest. Obviously, stained-glass windows, and such, should mostly be left alone). To be Completely Honest Regarding the History of the Church, the World, the Solar System, the Galaxy, and the Universe. To institute a Program of Responsible Reproduction (lifting the ban on birth-control). To base Civil and Church Governance on the U.S. Constitution.

    We the People of Earth desire the following Solar System Reforms: TO BASE THIS SOLAR SYSTEM UPON RESPONSIBILITY AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. TO MAINTAIN AN EARTH HUMAN POPULATION OF FOUR BILLION (TWO BILLION SURFACE - TWO BILLION SUBSURFACE) AND FOUR BILLION THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM (MOSTLY SUBSURFACE). TO BASE PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND SPIRITUAL HEALTH UPON PREVENTION. TO MAINTAIN A PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT. TO USE ELECTRICAL POWER FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING, AND UTILIZE MAGNETO-LEVITON TRAINS FOR MOST GLOBAL TRANSPORTATION.

    The Holy Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ according to Matthew.

    Matthew 5: 1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set , his disciples came unto him: 2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying , 3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are they that mourn : for they shall be comforted . 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled . 7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy . 8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. 10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye , when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely , for my sake . 12 Rejoice , and be exceeding glad : for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. 13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour , wherewith shall it be salted ? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. 14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid . 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy , but to fulfil . 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass , one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled . 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill ; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say , Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way ; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

    25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. 27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery : 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out , and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish , and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off , and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish , and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31 It hath been said , Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery : and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery . 33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself , but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool : neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be , Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said , An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law , and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away . 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said , Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye ? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    Matthew 6: 1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth : 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly . 5 And when thou prayest , thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you , They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest , enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly . 7 But when ye pray , use not vain repetitions , as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come . Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. 16 Moreover when ye fast , be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast . Verily I say unto you , They have their reward. 17 But thou, when thou fastest , anoint thine head, and wash thy face; 18 That thou appear not unto men to fast , but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly . 19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt , and where thieves break through and steal : 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt , and where thieves do not break through nor steal : 21 For where your treasure is , there will your heart be also. 22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat , or what ye shall drink ; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on . Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap , nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow ; they toil not, neither do they spin : 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is , and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Therefore take no thought , saying , What shall we eat ? or, What shall we drink ? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed ? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek :) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

    Matthew 7: 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged . 2 For with what judgment ye judge , ye shall be judged : and with what measure ye mete , it shall be measured to you again . 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold , a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7 Ask , and it shall be given you; seek , and ye shall find ; knock , and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth ; and he that seeketh findeth ; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened . 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat : 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits . Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down , and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended , and the floods came , and the winds blew , and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended , and the floods came , and the winds blew , and beat upon that house; and it fell : and great was the fall of it. 28 And it came to pass , when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: 29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.


    The Gospel of the Lord.

    Seven score and five years ago, a great American signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity. But one hundred forty-five years later, the Human Race still is not free. One hundred forty-five years later, the lives of Human Beings are still sadly crippled by the manacles of greed and the chains of fear. One hundred forty-five years later, Humanity lives on a lonely island of quiet desperation in the midst of a vast ocean of nearly seven billion souls. One hundred forty-five years later, Humanity is still languishing in the corners of global society and finds itself an exile on its own planet.

    And so today...I have determined to dramatize a shameful condition. In a sense...I've come to our religious and political leaders to cash a check. When the architects of the American constitutional republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all people would be guaranteed the "Inalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." America was to be a city on a hill...to illuminate the rest of the world with Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given We the People of Earth a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But I refuse to believe that America...and the rest of the world...is morally bankrupt. I refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds. And so, I've determined to cash this check...a check that will give Humanity...upon demand...the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

    I have also determined to remind the world of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of nationalism and protectionism. Now is the time to lift our world from the quicksands of war and hate...to the solid rock of brotherhood and sisterhood. Now is the time to make Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom a reality for all of God's children. It would be fatal for We the People of Earth to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of Humanity's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. 2012 will not be the end...but a beginning. And those who hope that the patriots and conspiracy theorists needed to blow off steam and will now be content...will have a rude awakening if the world returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in the world until Humanity is granted it's citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our world until the bright day of justice emerges.

    But there is something that I must say to We the People of Earth...who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place in the universe...we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed Humanity must not lead us to a distrust of all of the Powers That Be...for many of them have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead.

    We cannot turn back.

    There are those who are asking the devotees of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as any Human Being is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of brutality and starvation. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies and minds are racked with the pain and horror of war. We cannot be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by being taught violence, lies, and immorality. We cannot be satisfied as long as the will of We the people of Earth is not taken seriously...and followed. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."

    I am not unmindful that some of you have encountered great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Know that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends. And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of the creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day...the elites and the general public will sit down together at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood. I have a dream that one day...even the Deep Underground Military Bases will be transformed into an oasis of openness and transparency. I have a dream that one day...We the People of Earth will not be judged by our fame, fortune, and power...but by the content of our characters. I have a dream today! I have a dream that one day the little boys and little girls of the world...will be able to join hands...as Citizens of Earth. I have a dream today! I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together." This is our hope...and Earth is our home.

    With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our world into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood and sisterhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day. And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning: My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride. From every mountainside, let freedom ring! If America is to be a great nation...this must become true. If Earth is to be a great planet...this must become true. And so let freedom ring from Washington D.C. Let freedom ring from the United Nations. Let freedom ring from the City of London. Let freedom ring from the Vatican. Let freedom ring thoughout the Secret Government. But not only that: Let freedom ring from the Georgia Guidestones. Let freedom ring from the Secret Space Program throughout the Solar System. Let freedom ring from every Deep Underground Military Base. Let freedom ring from the Sea of Tranquility. From every Planet of the Solar System...let freedom ring. And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every planet, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, of all races, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!



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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:42 pm

    Have Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer had to deal with forces more powerful than themselves - both good and evil? Would we judge all three guiltless - if we knew the whole story? Would we judge all three guilty - if we knew the whole story? Did we all come here from somewhere else? If so, what were the conditions in the place we came from - and what were the original conditions here? If we came here from somewhere else, why did we come here? Who is ultimately responsible for most of the good in the world? Who is ultimately responsible for most of the evil in the world? What should be done about the mess we seem to be in? How will we really know when we really know the truth about everything important? I can't begin to describe how negatively apprehensive I feel about all of the above. Is this a harbinger of discovering my own guilt and negative karmic-debt - going back thousands or millions of years? None is righteous? No, not one? Not even the Perfect One? I once suggested in a college Bible class that Jesus wasn't perfect. You should've seen the stares and heard the silence! I once told a University of Edinburgh educated theologian that I didn't think Jesus was God. He futily attempted to talk me out of this heretical notion. I once told a graduate of the Harvard Divinity School that Jesus was an Institutionalized Liberal. He didn't even crack a smile. I really just want the truth - even if I have the darkest record in the history of the universe. I would insist that justice be executed against myself, if such were the case, and I suspect that it very well might be. I'm feeling no love radiating in my direction - and there may be a legitimate reason for this. I really am ready to pay what I owe. Death might be a blessing. Come sweet death? With all of the horrors which have occurred in this universe, I doubt that I could ever be happy - no matter how much things improved - here, and throughout the universe. I would never, ever be able to forget. I would simply like for things to be peaceful and happy before I leave - and hopefully that will be soon. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uxy_cHjzEU 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xje4OYalB5Q&feature=related 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYbrF8tnog&feature=related 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsyR40G2BeU

    TAKE A LOOK AT THIS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85xOQNThwYo (WATCH ALL 18 PARTS - LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY - AND READ BETWEEN THE LINES. IS THIS HOW THE WAR IN HEAVEN STARTED?) I'm thinking we should carefully examine the possibility that the War in Heaven was an externally instigated rebellion and war. I speculated regarding such a scenario before I watched this episode of 'Dr. Who'. Those Brits might know a helluva lot. I doubt the standard story - and alternative stories - including mine. Keep digging and digging. GET TO BEDROCK TRUTH - REGARDLESS OF WHO IS EXPOSED AND DEPOSED. VERA FUSEK AS MADAME PRESIDENT OF EARTH WOULD BE A PRIVILEGE TO WORK WITH. SHE WAS TERRIFIC!

    Take everything I say with a Sea of Salt. Take everything I say seriously - but not too seriously. I am still searching - and I am not speaking dogmatically. I guess all of this is an attempt to stop the Graveyard Spiral of the Human Race. Pull Up!! Whoop!! Whoop!! Pull Up!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jak5YpYKsp0&feature=related



    To All Concerned - Regardless of whether you like me, or not - and regardless of whether you agree with anything I have said, or the manner in which I have said it, or not - consider working outward from the combined words 'Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System' - with a combination of Incurable Optimism and Unyielding Despair. Repeat these words over and over and over - day after day after day - in context after context after context - and see what you come-up with. Fair enough? Don't forget - this is a spiritual war - and we wrestle not against flesh and blood - but against principalities and powers, and spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies. And remember - Violence in Not a Solution. It will only create more problems. We simply need to work toward achieving more sane ways to manage the insanity. Keep it simple - regardless of whether you are smart or stupid. Namaste and Godspeed.

    If some of my previous speculation is correct - regarding a group of souls choosing to incarnate into male and female human physicality - how many souls were a part of that original group? Are these souls all here in this solar system? Are all of these hypothetical souls part of the Orion Group? Are we all from Orion - progressive or regressive - human or otherwise? Have additional souls - who were not a part of that hypothetical original group - incarnated into male and female human physicality? Are there souls who wish to incarnate into male and female human physicality - but who are unable to do so - either because of compatability issues, or because of being denied access? I'd just like to know exactly who is here in this solar system - and why. I'd like to see a solar system map showing the locations and numbers of all souls and humanoid containers. You know that sort of thing exists - but can you imagine how deep one would have to be into all of this madness - to be able to have access to that sort of thing??!! If this solar system were vaporized - what would happen to all of the souls? How important are these questions? Has anyone taken a very close look at the last half-dozen posts? I don't need to be right. I just need to know the truth. We all need to save the solar system. Forget the damn whales. Damn! I just realized that my cell-phone ringer is off, and I missed a couple of potentially important calls. I'm going to make some coffee, and watch another episode of 'Stargate Universe'. This show is really quite good. I'd like to see the 'V' theme in a 'Stargate Universe' series of episodes. You know - what it might be like to travel through the universe on a 'V' mothership. I really do think that it is VERY important to combine the contents of this thread with science-fiction. We are facing a Brave New Universe - and we need to consider as many possibilities as possible - and then focus on the best ones. This is going to take a HUGE amount of work and courage. Our journey into the future - and our rendezvous with destiny - will not be an easy one. I have no doubt about that. I have lots of doubt - but not about that...


    What exactly has Michael/Horus/Jesus written in the past couple of million years? Please take this question seriously. The answer might be extremely important. Forgive my continued reprehensible recalcitrant impertinence and insensitivity. (with reference to the second painting below) I'm working on it. We all have our crosses to bear. I really am trying to be more refined and self-governed - but, as you can tell, it's not going very well. You can choose the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution - or you can take your chances with something else. Do you feel lucky?


    What would be the implications and ramifications of 2,000 years of Sede Vacante? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJX123tIwA If Michael/Horus/Jesus has been in exile for 2,000 years - and if emperors, monarchs, pontiffs, and the Queen of Heaven / God of This World have been ruling in place of Christ (or Anti-Christ) for 2,000 years - what would happen if Michael/Horus/Jesus came marching into Vatican City in 2011 - claiming that which is rightfully his? What sort of support or resistance might he encounter? The Pope might exclaim "Jesus Christ!! Now what are we going to do??!!" This is all wild speculation and conjecture - like most everything else I post - but I really do try to approximate what I think the truth might be. I really do try to be fair and honest. I really do. This is just my version of the relentless pursuit of the truth. It takes all kinds - or so they say. I am a particularly pestilential heretic. I am a Seventh-day Sedevacantist! Just kidding! I couldn't resist! The spirit is willing - but the flesh is weak. Exceedingly weak. At least I'm not as bad as Pat Condell!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f01IBDoZGg&feature=related But how dangerous and explosive is combining the U.S. Constitution, the Teachings of Jesus, the Latin Mass, Globalism, and Millennial-Sedevacantism? I might be more dangerous than Pat Condell!! But, then again, I don't produce rabid videos, which go viral. If I did, I probably wouldn't live. Seriously. What do you think about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ1L4eeu5KI&NR=1&feature=fvwp I struggle with the hard-sayings of Jesus. Do the Non-Canonical Gospels also contain the Teachings of Jesus? What hidden Words of Christ might exist in the Vatican Library? What would the Jesus Seminar say? What a tangled web I weave, when I practice to reform. I continue to say that the Roman Catholic Church is both a huge part of the problem - and potentially a huge part of the solution. I consider myself to be both a friend and an enemy of the church. If the 'Roman Catholic Question' is not properly handled - we are all truly screwed. All roads lead to Rome. What if the Second Coming of Christ occurred in 1947? What if Michael/Horus/Jesus is making a final determination of who his friends and enemies really are? What would KRLLL say? What would Bultmann say?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sede_vacante Sede vacante is an expression, used in the Canon Law of the Catholic Church, that refers to the vacancy of the episcopal see of a particular church. It is Latin for "the seat being vacant" (the ablative absolute to sedes vacans "vacant seat"), the seat in question being the cathedra of the particular church.

    This means that for a diocese the diocesan bishop has either died, resigned, transferred to a different diocese, or lost his office and a replacement has not yet been named. If there is a coadjutor bishop for the church, then this period does not take place, as the coadjutor bishop (or coadjutor archbishop, in the case of an archdiocese) immediately succeeds to the episcopal see.

    The term has been adopted in Sedevacantism, an extreme strand of the Catholic traditionalist movement.

    Within eight days after the see is known to be vacant, the college of consultors (or the cathedral chapter in some countries)[1] is obliged to elect a diocesan administrator.[2] The administrator they choose must be a priest or bishop who is at least 35 years old.[3]

    If the college of consultors fails to elect a qualifying person within the time allotted, the choice of diocesan administrator passes to the metropolitan archbishop or, if the metropolitan see is vacant, to the seniormost by appointment of the suffragan bishops.[4]

    Before the election of the diocesan administrator of a vacant see, the governance of the see is entrusted, with the powers of a vicar general, to the auxiliary bishop, if there is one, or to the senior among them, if there are several, otherwise to the college of consultors as a whole. The diocesan administrator has greater powers, essentially those of a bishop except for matters excepted by the nature of the matter or expressly by law.[5] Canon law subjects his activity to various legal restrictions and to special supervision by the college of consultors (as for example canons 272 and 485).

    Vicars general and episcopal vicars lose their powers sede vacante if they are not bishops;[6] the vicars that are themselves bishops retain the powers they had before the see fell vacant, which they are to exercise under the authority of the administrator.[7]

    The arms of the Holy See sede vacante.The expression sede vacante may refer as well to the vacancy of the Holy See, which occurs after the death or resignation of a pope. In this case the particular church is the Diocese of Rome and the "vacant seat" is the cathedra of Saint John Lateran, the cathedral church of the bishop of Rome. During this period, the Holy See is administered by a regency of the College of Cardinals.

    According to Universi Dominici Gregis, the government of the Holy See sede vacante (and therefore of the Catholic Church) falls to the College of Cardinals, but in a very limited capacity. At the same time, all of the heads of the Roman Curia resign their offices. The exceptions are the Cardinal Camerlengo, who is charged with managing the property of the Holy See, and the Major Penitentiary, who continues to exercise his normal role. If either has to do something which normally requires the assent of the Pope, he has to submit it to the College of Cardinals. Papal legates continue to exercise their diplomatic roles overseas, and the Vicar General of Rome continues to exercise his pastoral role over the diocese of Rome during this period. The postal administration of the Vatican City State prepares and issues special postage stamps for use during this particular period, known as "sede vacante stamps".

    The coat of arms of the Holy See also changes during this period. Instead of the papal tiara over the keys, the tiara is replaced with the umbraculum or ombrellino in Italian. This symbolizes both the lack of a Pope and also the governance of the Camerlengo over the temporalities of the Holy See. As further indication, the Camerlengo ornaments his arms with this symbol during this period, which he subsequently removes once a pope is elected. The arms of the Camerlengo appear on commemorative euro coins minted during this period, which are legal tender in all Eurozone member states.

    The interregnum is usually highlighted by the funeral Mass of the deceased pope, the general congregations of the college of cardinals for determining the particulars of the election, and finally culminated in the conclave to elect a successor. Once a new pope has been elected (and ordained bishop if necessary) the sedes is no longer vacant, so this period then officially ends. Afterward occurs the Papal Installation or Papal Coronation, depending on the form of inauguration and investiture a new pope chooses, and the formal possession of the cathedra of the Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano.

    Cardinals present in Rome are required to wait at least fifteen days after the start of the vacancy for the rest of the college before they can hold the conclave to elect the new Pope. However, after twenty days have elapsed, they must hold the conclave even if cardinals are missing. Historically, sede vacante periods have often been quite lengthy, lasting many months due to lengthy deadlocked conclaves. For many years through 1922 the period from the death of the Pope to the start of the conclave was shorter, but after William Henry Cardinal O'Connell had arrived just too late for two conclaves in a row, Pope Pius XI extended the time limit. With the very next conclave in 1939, cardinals began to travel by air.

    The most recent period of sede vacante of the Holy See began at 19:37 UTC, April 2, 2005, due to the death of Pope John Paul II, and concluded with the election of Pope Benedict XVI at 16:05 UTC, April 19, 2005.

    [edit] List of sede vacante periods in the Holy See since the 19th centuryPreceding Pope Following Pope Beginning Ending Duration
    Pius VII Leo XII 20 August, 1823 28 September 1823 39 days
    Leo XII Pius VIII 10 February 1829 31 March 1829 49 days
    Pius VIII Gregory XVI 1 December 1830 2 February 1831 63 days
    Gregory XVI Pius IX 1 June 1846 16 June 1846 15 days
    Pius IX Leo XIII 7 February 1878 20 February 1878 13 days
    Leo XIII Pius X 20 July 1903 4 August 1903 15 days
    Pius X Benedict XV 20 August 1914 3 September 1914 14 days
    Benedict XV Pius XI 22 January 1922 6 February 1922 15 days
    Pius XI Pius XII 10 February 1939 2 March 1939 20 days
    Pius XII John XXIII 9 October 1958 28 October 1958 19 days
    John XXIII Paul VI 3 June 1963 21 June 1963 18 days
    Paul VI John Paul I 6 August 1978 26 August 1978 20 days
    John Paul I John Paul II 28 September 1978 16 October 1978 18 days
    John Paul II Benedict XVI 2 April 2005 19 April 2005 17 days
    [edit] References^ See Codex Iuris Canonici Canon 502 § 3 (noting that an episcopal conference can transfer the functions of the consultors to the cathedral chapter).
    ^ Code of Canon Law, canon 421 §1
    ^ Code of Canon Law, canon 425 §1. The word used (sacerdos) applies also to a bishop, not just a priest.
    ^ Code of Canon Law, canons 421 §2 and 425 §3
    ^ Code of Canon Law, canons 426-427
    ^ Codex Iuris Canonici Canon 481 § 1.
    ^ Codex Iuris Canonici Canon 409 § 2.


    I don't see a quick and easy way out of the problems facing humanity. I see much pain in our future. But perhaps pain is the cost of doing business in the universe. I continue to toy with the idea of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - in the context of the United Nations and the City States. But there is presently so much confusion and negative momentum - that it may be very, very difficult to get the human race back on track - if the human race has ever really been on the right track. I would like to know what the powers that be REALLY think - rather than what the people we love to hate actually say on the evening news. What is the pope REALLY thinking as he views the thousands of faithful in St. Peter's Square? Again, I view the future with Incurable Optimism and Unyielding Despair.

    Consider reading the Four Gospels in the King James Version of the Holy Bible - over and over again - while listening to Latin Masses - and then simply doing what makes sense to you - rather than getting bogged-down in the theological quicksand. Do you see my point? The goal is to become spiritually elevated and mentally disciplined with the proper use of a landmark historical spiritual frame of reference. This approach transcends angrily quoting scripture, or using the proof-text method to shoot someone down. God knows there are problems with the Bible - including the Gospels - but starting from scratch might be even more problematic. Frankly - EVERY approach is problematic. No matter what we do - things are going to be bad - in so many ways. But still, we must press forward - with the goal of a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System. Jesus - Benchmark of Humanity? The Teachings of Jesus - Theological Milestone or Historical Necessity? What do you think? What would Jesus say?


    I'm in an 'On the Beach' mood today. I'm really quite depressed. I think the Japan quake and tsunami were deliberately inflicted. I have my reasons - which I will not reveal - but, as usual, I can't prove anything. Be ready for just about anything - and don't count on 'safe-places'. There may be no place to hide - not even in Underground Bases or the Darkside of the Moon. Can't we just get past all of this BS? My infiltrated and subverted, spyware-ridden computer is so very slow - that I've decided to stop bitching - and start posting things that go fast - like Ferrari's, SR-71's, Saturn 5's, Mag-Lev Trains, UFO's, etc.

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_kwxzU4wL4

    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-43HyQbOCg

    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luBIaBXM4iU&NR=1&feature=fvwp

    4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2KkbHxo6po

    5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upg2eqNbF3w

    6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv_OJBBaF48&feature=related

    7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqr4c1GNJLs&feature=related

    8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApN1fCijsBQ&feature=related

    9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqNT0FeG1VY&feature=related



    Saving the Solar System does not seem to be anyone's priority - so I'm just gonna go nowhere - FAST! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShacMAn_HK8 Perhaps the Solar System doesn't need saving - especially by rank amateurs and completely ignorant fools like me. Perhaps there will come a time when this thread will be all the rage - but I will have moved on - sort of like Rhett Butler. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX0sOWKzUos&feature=related I'll be honest (which seems to be a big mistake in this world) - I am a bit bitter regarding everything. Nothing has worked for me - and I'm feeling no love - at any level. Perhaps the 'devil' has had the right idea all along. The whole world seems to be in bed with the 'devil' - including the churches. Which God are they worshipping and praising? Did Jesus tell people to worship and praise him? Did Jesus tell people to nail graven images of him on church walls - and parade these graven images in grand processions? Enough of that. Perhaps if I just pursued fame, fortune, power, and pleasure - in a responsible manner, of course - I might be a bit less frustrated. The road I am travelling on presently, seems to be a no-win. There is really no reward - and I do feel as though I am some sort of a threat, which makes me feel very uneasy and insecure. The truth is so overrated. I'm tired of being a resident nut, who really makes no one happy. I should just tell people what they want to hear, and give them what they want - rather than asking a lot of controversial questions. I think I've really struck-out. Time to change the batter. Perhaps I need to play a different game. I'm interested in what I've covered in this thread - but all of this seems to be working for no one, including me. I never resonate with anyone - and I'm never good enough - or I'm too good - or some goddamn thing. Frankly my dear - I'm gone with the solar wind...



    Take a look at the Virginia State Seal. Who is REALLY the victor? Who is REALLY the vanquished? Could there be obelisk and crucifix parallels? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Virginia



    The seals of the Commonwealth of Virginia are the official symbols of the United States Commonwealth of Virginia.

    In May 1776 the Virginia colony declared its independence from Great Britain. On July 1, 1776, a committee of four was appointed to make a proper seal for the Commonwealth of Virginia. The four men were Richard Henry Lee, George Mason, George Wythe, and Robert Carter Nicholas. Four days later the committee's report for a design of the seal was read, and George Mason presented it to the Virginia government. It was voted on and approved that same day. It is not known for certain which members of the committee were chiefly responsible for the design of the seal, but it is generally believed to be principally the work of George Wythe.

    The seal makers did not want a design which in any way resembled the style of coats-of-arms used in Britain. Because of the strong admiration for the Roman Republic felt by the Virginia leaders, the design of the new seal was taken from the mythology of Ancient Rome. They also chose a two-sided design, as shown above.

    Bronze medals struck at behest of Virginia governor Thomas Jefferson and carried by Joseph Martin to give to Cherokee allies of colonial forces. Early variant of the official state seal with partially disrobed Virtus. 1780The obverse of the seal is the official seal of Virginia and is used on all the official papers and documents of the Commonwealth's government, as well as on its flag. On this side, a female figure personifying the Roman virtue of Virtus was selected to represent the genius of the new Commonwealth. Virginia's Virtus is a figure of peace, standing in a pose which indicates a battle already won. She rests on her long spear, its point turned downward to the ground. Her other weapon, a parazonium, is sheathed; it is the sword of authority rather than that of combat. Virtus is typically shown with a bare left breast; this is commonly recognized as the only use of nudity among the seals of the U.S. states.

    Tyranny lies prostrate beneath the foot of Virtus, symbolizing Great Britain's defeat by Virginia. The royal crown which has fallen to the ground beside him symbolizes the new republic's release from the monarchical control of Great Britain; Virginia and New York are the only U.S. states with a flag or seal displaying a crown. The broken chain in Tyranny's left hand represents Virginia's freedom from Britain's restriction of colonial trade and westward expansion. The useless whip in his right hand signifies Virginia's relief from the torturing whip of acts of punishment such as the Intolerable Acts. His robe is purple, a reference to Julius Caesar and the Etruscan king of Rome, Tarquinius Priscus.

    The motto selected for the obverse of the Virginia seal is Sic semper tyrannis, or in English, Thus always to tyrants. This is a derived quote from the famous events in Roman history, attributed to Brutus upon his participation in the slaying of Julius Caesar. (Caesar had been named perpetual dictator of Rome in the same year, and some Senators believed had ambitions to abolish the Roman Republic and establish himself as a monarch.)

    The reverse of the seal pictures the blessings of freedom and peace, as represented by three Roman goddesses. In the center is the matron Libertas the goddess of individual liberties. In her hand she holds a wand showing her magical gifts, at the top of the wand hangs a Phrygian Cap, also called a Liberty Cap — later made popular by French revolutionaries.

    To the left of Libertas stands Ceres, the Roman goddess of agriculture. In her left hand is a horn of plenty overflowing with the abundance of Virginia's harvests, while in her right hand is an enormous stalk of wheat, representing one of Virginia's leading crops. Aeternitas, representing Virginia's eternity, stands at the right of Libertas. In her right hand is a golden ball, an emblem of authority, and atop the ball is a Phoenix, symbolizing immortality. On the Virginia seal, the phoenix represents effective government.

    The motto gracing the reverse with its trio of Libertas, Ceres, and Aeternitas is Perservando, or in English, Persevering, a reminder to future generations of the need to persist in maintaining the blessings of liberty. The ornamental border on both sides of the seal consists of sprigs of Parthenocissus quinquefolia, or commonly, Virginia Creeper. In 1930 another committee was charged with standardizing the seal's design because of all the variations that came into use over the years. The seals that now adorn the doors of the Southern Portico of the Capitol in Richmond were designed by Charles Keck. What the committee approved was basically adopting the 1776 seal as the standard. In 1949, another standard was implemented, when Virginia's Art Commission defined the official color scheme for the seal. The Great Seal and the lesser seal are the same except for size. The lesser seal is used on commissions of commonwealth officials and notaries, and on other papers which remain within the boundaries of, or relate only to, Virginia.

    A common joke in Virginia, referencing the image on the seal and dating at least as far back as the Civil War, is that "Sic semper tyrannis" actually means "Get your foot off my neck."[1]

    In 2010, Ken Cuccinelli, Attorney General of Virginia, gave to his staff lapel pins with Virtus’ bosom covered by an armored breastplate. His spokesman, Brian Gottstein, said the pin was paid for by Cuccinelli’s political action committee, not with taxpayer funds.[2]

    The Seal of Virginia, as defined in the Code of Virginia, §1-500:[3]

    “ The great seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of two metallic discs, two and one-fourth inches in diameter, with an ornamental border one fourth of an inch wide, with such words and figures engraved thereon as will, when used, produce impressions to be described as follows: On the obverse, Virtus, the genius of the Commonwealth, dressed as an Amazon, resting on a spear in her right hand, point downward, touching the earth; and holding in her left hand, a sheathed sword, or parazonium, pointing upward; her head erect and face upturned; her left foot on the form of Tyranny represented by the prostrate body of a man, with his head to her left, his fallen crown nearby, a broken chain in his left hand, and a scourge in his right. Above the group and within the border conforming therewith, shall be the word "Virginia," and, in the space below, on a curved line, shall be the motto, "Sic Semper Tyrannis." On the reverse, shall be placed a group consisting of Libertas, holding a wand and pileus in her right hand; on her right, Aeternitas, with a globe and phoenix in her right hand; on the left of Libertas, Ceres, with a cornucopia in her left hand, and an ear of wheat in her right; over this device, in a curved line, the word "Perseverando." ”

    Under Virginia law, the Secretary of the Commonwealth is the Keeper of the Seals of the Commonwealth.

    References: von Borcke, Heros (April 1866). "Memoirs of the Confederate War for Independence". Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine. American edition, vol. 62 (New York: Leonard Scott & Co.) 99 (606): 462. http://books.google.com/books?id=HqrZODfwUIIC&dq=sic%20semper%20tyrannis&pg=PA462#v=onepage&q&f=false. Retrieved 21 August 2010. "...the coat of arms of the state of Virginia, bearing the motto, Sic semper tyrannis, which the soldiers translated, "Take your foot off my neck", from the action of the principal figure ... representing Liberty, who, with a lance in her right hand, is standing over the conquered and prostrate tyrant, and apparently trampling on him with her heel.".
    ^ "Cuccinelli opts for more modest state seal," by Julian Walker, The Virginian-Pilot (May 1, 2010)


    Take a look at the Colorado State Seal. What would Jordan Maxwell say??!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Colorado Is this at all significant in connection with the creepy goings on at the Denver Airport? Just thought I'd ask.


    The Great Seal of the State of Colorado is an adaptation of the Territorial Seal which was adopted by the First Territorial Assembly on November 6, 1861.[1] The only changes made in the Territorial Seal design being the substitution of the words, "State of Colorado" and the figures "1876" for the corresponding inscriptions on the territorial seal.[1] The first General Assembly of the State of Colorado approved the adoption of the state seal on March 15, 1877.[1] The Colorado Secretary of State alone is authorized to affix the Great Seal of Colorado to any document whatsoever.

    By statute, the seal of the State is two and one-half inches in diameter with the following devices inscribed thereon: At the top is the Eye of Providence or 'All Seeing Eye' within a triangle, from which golden rays radiate on two sides. Below the eye is a scroll, the Roman fasces, a bundle of birch or elm rods with a battle ax bound together with a ribbon of red, white and blue with the words, "Union and Constitution." The bundle of rods bound together symbolizes strength which is lacking in the single rod. The axe symbolizes authority and leadership. Below the scroll is the heraldic shield bearing across the top on a red ground three snow-capped mountains with clouds above them. The lower half of the shield has two miner's tools, the pick and sledge hammer, crossed on a golden ground. Below the shield in a semicircle is the motto, "Nil Sine Numine", Latin words meaning "Nothing without providence" or "nothing without the Deity"[2], and at the bottom the figures 1876, the year Colorado came into statehood.[1]

    The design for the Territorial Seal which served as a model for the State Seal or Great Seal of Colorado has been variously credited, but the individual primarily responsible was Lewis Ledyard Weld, the Territorial Secretary, appointed by President Abraham Lincoln in July 1861. There is also evidence that Territorial Governor William Gilpin also was at least partially responsible for the design. Both Weld and Gilpin were knowledgeable in the art and symbolism of heraldry. Elements of design from both the Weld and Gilpin family coat-of-arms are incorporated in the Territorial Seal.

    Nil sine numine is the state motto of Colorado. The Latin phrase appears to be an adaptation from Virgil's Aeneid where in Book II, line 777 the words "...non haec sine numine devum eveniunt" are found.

    The Colorado Department of Personnel and Administration said about the translation of the motto: "At recurring intervals, discussion has ensued concerning interpretation of this Latin phrase which commonly translated is "'Nothing without providence'". Others say it is "Nothing without God". Merriam Webster's translates it as "Nothing without the divine will".[1] In the early mining days of the State, the unregenerate said it meant "nothing without a new mine".[2] The word "numen" (ablative numine) means any divinity, god or goddess, or divine spirit. The best evidence of intent of Colorado's official designers and framers of the resolution for adoption of the seal is contained in the committee report wherein clear distinction was made between "numine" and "Deo" and it specifically states that the committee's interpretative translation was "Nothing without the Deity".

    The motto appeared when Colorado's first Territorial Governor William Gilpin asked the Secretary of the Territory L. C. Weld for a suitable motto for the state seal. According to the story, Weld said: "Well, Governor, what would you suggest?" Gilpin is said to have paused in thought for a moment and then responded "Nil Sine Numine". On November 6, 1861 by Joint Resolution the First Territorial Assembly adopted the motto with the territorial seal.

    This motto is also used by High Point University, a small liberal arts university in High Point, North Carolina

    It is also of interest "The Luttrell Psalter", a famous medieval manuscript dated by the 14th century, contains inside its binding an armorial bookplate of Thomas Weld (1750–1810) of Lulworth Castle, one of the book's owners, and the motto on the plate's ribbon reads "nil sine numine".

    Kopel, Jerry (11 April 2008). "Mysteries of Colorado's Great Seal". Rocky Mountain News. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/apr/11/mysteries-colorados-great-seal/. Retrieved 20 January 2011.
    ^ a b c "State songs and more". Montrose Daily Press. 15 March 2007. http://www.montrosepress.com/articles/2007/03/15/opinion/op1.txt. Retrieved 20 January 2011.

    Once again, notice the similarity of architecture found in churches and government buildings - throughout the world. Notice the Babylonian, Egyptian, Grecian, and Roman themes. I keep thinking that a grand plan was hijacked or stolen - and that this might've included literature, music, technology, architecture, art, etc. Did someone steal fire from man - and then rule over man as a god - giving man little embers of this fire as 'gifts' - out of their 'loving kindness' - but with lots of strings attached? Damned if I know.


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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:00 pm

    Bill Cooper described Henry Kissinger as being in another world - which held no room for anyone - while he was learning all of the forbidden knowledge in the 50's. He supposedly worked around the clock - and spoke to no one - not even his wife. It sounded as though he were learning of a very upsetting state of affairs. It couldn't have been good. I just got to thinking - that's sort of how I feel - and have felt - for quite a while now. I feel really bad. I'm pretty composed and placid - but very uncomfortable and burned-out. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that I'm just getting my feet wet with this madness. Also, I don't know what is true or what is bs. I also don't know what the consequences are of learning forbidden knowledge. I suspect that one gets supernaturally targeted and watched. Abandon all hope ye truth-seekers. Just kidding - sort of. I have committed to just keep doing what I've been doing with this tempest in a teapot thread. No surprises. I sort of feel like a member of an Alphabet Militia. All of the headaches - with no badge, title, pay, or retirement. I'm just good for nothing. I'm not antagonistic - but I certainly am not a company man. That's one reason why I am sitting in a very messy room - with a very slow computer - instead of sitting in a sterile environment - in an underground base - with my very own Cray Supercomputer. Hopefully, this muted-madness can be sort of a back-channel - like during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Call this the Thuban Missile Crisis. I would love to listen to a recorded session regarding ET's, Secret Government, New World Order, etc. - with Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, George H.W. Bush, and David Rockefeller in attendance. Fat chance - right?! Maybe someday. No? Oh well. Namaste.



    I'd rather deal with Formula One - than deal with aliens, ufo's, and theology. All of the factions should just smoke pot, and watch Formula One. We'd all get along - if we all got a bong. Let's smoke the peace-pipe! I wouldn't be surprised if God turns out to be a Formula One Driver. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyBnNpWr07Q&feature=related 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_wlsAJ-VMA&feature=fvwrel 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJFeTMFv6CA&feature=related



    Is this solar system in the best of hands - or the worst of hands? What has been the power structure of this solar system for the past one million years? Are we really only dealing with various factions of the Orion Group LLC? Do all of the humanoid beings in this solar system have the same type of soul? My reptilian speculations are not based upon privileged information. I am mostly trying to make sense out of all the seemingly crazy information available on the internet. Take everything I say with a sea of salt. I am particularly interested in the theory that our spiritual origins are interdimensional reptilian - and that physicality was created along two major lines - reptilian and mammalian - and that these two lines have been fighting with each other for at least 600,000 years - and that the Archangels Gabriel, Lucifer, and Michael have been major players in all of this. No proof. Just dot connecting. Are we all reptilian/mammalian hybrids (Human, Annunaki, Draconian) - with interdimensional reptilian souls? Should we sing 'We are the Orion Group'? Nephilim = Orion Group = Fallen Angels (who fell into physicality)? Are we all Nephilim at the soul-level? If most of these questions were authoritatively answered with 'Yes' - would most of us go insane? Would we engage in star wars? I think we need to consider ALL of the possibilities - without going insane - and without flying through the solar system with torches and pitchforks. Did we, in essence - create ourselves? Was this the Original Sin? Born into Iniquity? The Mystery of Iniquity! We Three Reptilian Queens of Orion Are Trying to Rule the Heavens Afar!!?? Think about THAT! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c48qXrFjHq0 My primary editorial slant is that:

    1. Male and Female Human Physicality Is a Good Thing.

    2. A Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System Would Be a Good Thing.

    3. A Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System Would Be a Good Thing.

    I don't know enough about the Reptilian Physicality Issues to really make any educated determinations - but I think that all of the above would be in the best interest of BOTH Reptilian and Mammalian Humanoids - especially those who are committed to Responsible Freedom and Constructive Interaction. Unfortunately - the true state of affairs remains a great-big military secret - and politics and religion remain reactionary and irrational. I always embellish 'V' with the things I research and think about. 'V' is only the beginning. I'm trying to make my life into sort of a private-screening sci-fi show. I am sane - aren't I? Please say 'Yes'. As I keep saying - I like the best aspects of Anna and the 'V's - but I despise the worst. I really would like to see an idealistic solar system science fiction series called '2112' - based upon an up and running Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - which does not involve any star wars. It would be about a solar system at peace - which is doing things the right way - and which is at peace with the rest of the universe. Are there any Hollywood types out there who can do something like this? I really do wish to see a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System - Interacting Peacefully with the Beings of the Universe. This is not a complex concept. Watch the following three videos repeatedly - in light of what I have said in this post. Namaste to the Beings of the Universe.

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv2l93v4v0g

    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq1SgXIKI3U

    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C8lG9L4XDk&feature=related



    This is the day that God has made! Let us rejoice and be glad in it! Have any of you watched Dr. Robert H. Schuller? I spent a considerable amount of time following his ministry at the Crystal Cathedral, at 12141 (one to one for one!) Lewis Street, in Garden Grove, California. Study the ministries of Dr. Norman Vincent Peale and Dr. Robert Harold Schuller. There is the good, the bad, and the ugly - but focus upon the good - and you will be richly rewarded. I agreed with at least 90% of what I heard Drs. Peale and Schuller say. Is there a compilation of the Best of Peale and Schuller? If there isn't - there should be! I wish I had stayed closer to this ministry. I probably wouldn't have turned out to be such a burned-out nut-case. Consider reading through this thread in the manner in which Dr. Schuller would preach a sermon. In everyday life - this communication approach doesn't work - but in private, or in a book or sermon - it actually works quite well. Do this, while listening to the classical organ music I have posted on the last few pages. This is a VERY important combination. Try it - you'll like it! There is more to this thread than meets the eye. It's not as random and disjointed as it seems. It's warm and calculated. If the St. Mary's Cathedral brainstorm doesn't work out - consider the bankrupt Crystal Cathedral as an option. I tend to think that a lot of what I have conceptualized in this thread, has been built upon the shoulders of the staff and ministry at the Crystal Cathedral. They probably wouldn't wish to identify with much of it - and I wouldn't blame them. It would be a public relations nightmare - wouldn't it? I'm quite the quiet maverick - and a back-channel rebel without a clue. I'm a seed planter in a galactic mustard seed conspiracy. Stand up! Stand up for Jesus! We build a new tomorrow - on plans we make today. Our planet is how we plan-it. I really was planning a lot of this in the 80's and 90's - believe it or not - and I didn't even realize what I was doing. I was lost - and in many ways, I'm still lost. There I go again - shooting myself in the foot with that darn honesty thing. Anyway - we all need to be mirrors, to reflect human-dignity and self-respect - in our going out and in our coming in - in our laying down and in our rising up - in our labor and in our leisure - in our laughter and in our tears - until we come to stand before Jesus - in that day in which there is no sunset and no dawning. In the name of Jesus Christ - and with the power of the Holy Spirit. (Sorry Amen Ra!)



    Good to see you posting Luminari. I agree. The All Seeing Eye of Horus - Illuminated by Sirius - Atop a Fascist Symbol - is quite interesting. Also, the mountain peaks may be reminiscent of the mountain peaks of Tibet - which some have equated with pyramids (not sure who - I'll have to research). In the U.S. House of Representatives - 'In God We Trust' is above and between two fascist symbols - front and center. According to Jordan Maxwell - Fascist is equated with 'God's Law'. Clues and symbols are found throughout the world - of something dark and ominous. I don't have a problem with Legitimate Divinity, Rule of Law, Hierarchical Structures of Authority, World Government, etc. - but I do have a problem with Vengeful Deities, Using God's Name in Vain, Tyranny, Enslavement, Extermination, etc. I keep seeing Male and Female Humanity as being Rebels Without a Clue - on a Prison Planet in Rebellion - with a Hybrid Hermaphrodite Queen of Heaven / God of This World - taking orders from a Draconian Empire / Universal Church - and that the Creation of Male and Female Humanity - and Seeking a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System (by Michael/Horus/Jesus?) - 600,000 Years Ago - may POSSIBLY have Constituted the Original Sin - and been viewed as being the Unpardonable Sin - which led directly to the 600,000 Year War in Heaven. Did the Queen of Heaven / God of This World capture the Human Race at the time the Moon supposedly arrived (10,000-12,000 years ago?) - flush with reinforcements from who knows where? Has the Human Race been on Death Row for thousands of years? Has this been the punishment phase - to be followed by a Final Judgement and Extermination (by Deliberately Inflicted Earth Changes) - which would eliminate Male and Female Human Physicality - and 'Upgrade' the Souls of Humanity into Hermaphrodite Reptilian Bodies - under the control of a Reptilian Theocracy - with No Humanity or Freedom? I DON'T KNOW. THIS IS MERELY SPECULATION. But my pseudo-intellectual dot-connecting is leading me in that direction. Even if I am completely wrong - whatever is going on seems to be very dark. There seems to be no love or joy connected with this. I am very apprehensive - and I long for a single day of peace. I don't think I'm going to have one for the rest of my life - or in my next life - if I even have one...



    600,000 BC? MICHAEL/HORUS/JESUS: BEFORE THE FALL INTO MALE AND FEMALE HUMANITY?


    MICHAEL/HORUS/JESUS: PERSONA NON GRATA AND UNIVERSAL ENEMY NUMBER ONE?


    NAME ONE CHURCH IN THE LAST 2,000 YEARS WHICH HAS MADE THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS - PLUS NOTHING - THEIR DOCTRINAL STATEMENT AND RULE OF FAITH AND PRACTICE. JUST ONE.

    Consider watching 'The Event'. You can watch the last five episodes for free on hulu.com. http://www.hulu.com/search?query=the+event&st=1&fs=null You have to pay to watch the others - but you can watch short clips of the earlier espisodes. It's really quite good.



    I really feel as though I need to review and digest the contents of this thread - and decide what might really be true - and what is most likely pure unmitigated popycock. My guess is that probably 50% of this thread is true and helpful - but I don't know which 50%. I need a lot of help from others - human and otherwise - to really sort things out. I continue to be VERY bothered and upset that I don't know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I keep feeling as though I am somehow hanging myself - and I have some ideas how - but I feel as though I should continue to be honest. I'm really quite mellow in real life - and I continue to prefer a passive and intuitive search for truth. The scary thing is that this quest of hypotheticals seems to be getting more real all the time. I feel as though I am living in an unseen sci-fi war-zone - even though I seem to be doing nothing. I'd sure like to know if anyone else in the solar system is thinking like I do. I feel like I'm in some sort of a twilight zone of madness. As you can tell - I'm doing a certain amount of bluffing and pretending - which includes a bit of imagined self-importance. But I disclosed this aspect at the very beginning of this thread. Anyway - I feel like I need to back off. I tried to do just that a couple of days ago - but then I came back like gangbusters or ghostbusters or something. I'd just like to read a 20 page 'eyes-only' report - which exactly describes the situation existing in this universe - particularly pertaining to this solar system and the human race. I'm very tired of the guessing game. I know I'm a completely ignorant fool - but I think that I might have been involved in a lot of things in my past lives - going back tens or hundreds of thousands of years. I'd like to know exactly what things - and I think I could be shown a file which would reveal everything to me. But I really don't think that's going to happen. I think I know why - and it scares the hell out of me. I think it scares the hell out of some other people too - and that REALLY scares the hell out of me. Now I'm going to watch the latest episode of 'The Event' for 45 minutes of some comparative peace of mind. Then I'll probably read some more of 'The Holy Tablets'. I need to stop. Namaste and Have a Nice Day. The greys are coming to take me away! Hey! Hey!


    Who knows the most about solar system governance? Probably the Queen of Heaven / God of This World. Unfortunately - I don't think they are decidedly on the side of humanity. Perhaps I need to ask 'Who knows the most about solar system governance, who is decidedly on the side of humanity?' I'm going to do my very best to become that individual - but I think I'm a Johnny Come Lately - and a Jack of All Trades - Master of None. Am I going about this thing in the right way? Is there a supremely right way? Despite it's weaknesses - I think this thread is a good place to begin a solar system governance quest - but it certainly is not a thread to end all threads. It's only the beginning - and it just scratches the surface of a very complex and difficult subject. Should I move to the East Coast - and try to hang-out with United Nations and Washington D.C. insiders? Should I move to Europe - and try to hang-out with City of London and Vatican insiders? Or do I need to stay completely away from the fray? Are the insiders too compromised and compartmentalized? Should I try to find a completely pure secret society - and try to become a member? Does a completely pure secret society even exist? I'm sort of my own secret society - except that I have a bad habit of blurting everything out! Actually - I really am quite restrained and pastoral - but I still think that I raise a lot of red flags, and set off a lot of bells and whistles. Is there a genuine Divinity at work in this solar system, who is decidedly on the side of humanity? I truly don't know. I used to think so - but my faith has been shattered. I'm assuming that we have an US vs THEM situation - and that there is no safety-net. I'm assuming that we need to make as many good friends as we can - throughout the universe - but that we should not pursue peace at any price.

    I guess I've really dug in my heels with the concept of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - wherein male and female human physicality is carefully preserved - and wherein the solar system is not destroyed. I'm leaning toward the Orion Group Theory of Origins regarding Humanoid Life in This Solar System - with similar souls present in most or all humanoid beings. I do believe we are at war with each other on many different levels - and I desire that these conflicts all become constructive - or that they cease to exist altogether. Where is the ultimate war-room for solar system governance? Who are present in said war-room on a daily basis? Don't trip over yourselves - blurting everything out! Why do I feel like I'm doing something wrong - when I'm trying to do something right? Is this just another power struggle? Am I compromised, right from the beginning? Is the pursuit of politics and religion really the pursuit of power? It probably is. Do we all have corrupted and alterior motives? Probably. So what should I do? Should I just be a member of a mainstream church - in good and regular standing? Should I join a political party - and go to all the meetings? Should I just leave it at that? Did I cross over into the Forbidden Zone a long time ago? I really haven't found anyone who thinks like I do. I feel as though I have ventured off the beaten path - and that the wolves are howling as they close in on me. I'm really just small-fry dealing with a huge subject. Should the general public be encouraged to think about solar system governance? I think they should - even though there will be a considerable amount of confusion and consternation. I really mostly want us to get past the absurdities, atrocities, starvation, war, corruption, irresponsibility, ignorance, apathy, etc. So - I guess I'll just keep this tempest in a teapot boiling - without serving the tea to too many people. It'll be our little secret. Tell no man - even though they won't tell anyone. Tell no woman - or they'll tell everyone!



    Once again - try working outward from the words 'Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System' - in your own way - and in your own time. Take these words into every conceivable context. Do word studies on each separate word - and on various combinations of these words. This is more involved than you might think. What I am suggesting is something which I call 'Comprehensive Concentration'. We don't know everything about everything. We don't know everything about anything. Anything is related to everything. So - we need to know everything about everything - to know everything about anything. Did I miss anything?

    I still think that a Vatican Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System is EXTREMELY interesting to think about! What a stirred-up hornet's nest that would be! Can you imagine the fighting that would occur if such a thing were attempted! But what if that turned out to be the best solution to the problems facing the solar system? Is the visible and invisible Vatican really in charge of this solar system? What does the word 'Vatican' really include? Sometimes I think it would be cool to be the Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System Ambassador to the Vatican - with reasonable access to most areas and personnel - and with a 400 square-foot office/apartment in Vatican City - complete with an entry-level Cray - of course! Talk about Persona Non Grata!!!! All joking aside - can you Vatican guys set this up? Consider this to be a formal request. I'd want to have my very own female-model cook/driver/secretary/bodyguard/housekeeper!!! Now I'm joking again. How would one dress? Probably in an Armani suit - with Prada shoes!! orthodoxymoron goes to Rome! The infiltration and subversion of the Vatican by orthodoxymoron - as an Angel of Satan - to buffet them!!! Actually - I would try to fit in - as I attempted to change everything - while changing as little as possible - with an emphasis on historical continuity!!! Ain't gonna happen - but it's fun to think about. What would Jesus say and do if he lived in Vatican City? Would he drive the money changers out of the temple with a whip - or would he drive around Rome in a Ferrari - with the Queen of Heaven???!!! Can the Queen of Heaven / God of This World be completely reformed - and converted to completely support a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System? Would they deserve and require extended incarceration? Would they be safe to save? I'd better stop - for now...


    Please interpret my posting in terms of desperation and brain-storming. In real-life, I'm really quite quiet and respectful. The more I research - the more disoriented and frightened I become - and my posting is my attempt to deal with this. I made a request in the previous post - and I'm not sure why - but if such a thing were possible - I would mostly be a fly on the wall - so to speak - and I'd probably get swatted! I just feel as though something ominous has been preventing good people from doing good things - at the highest levels of church, state, and business. This might have a lot to do with a lot of complex and negative ancient history. I'm really trying to understand some of this - and then propose possible solutions. I'm simply trying to do what I don't see others doing - in the hope that a novel approach might turn out to be part of a lasting solution. If we don't get the Rome part of this right - I don't think we'll have a solution. Again - take my posting seriously - but not too seriously. Namaste to the PTB.



    Here is an interesting Malachi Martin interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bdGMDNeU1g I don't necessarily agree with Malachi Martin - but I love his writing and speaking. I think everyone should grapple with theology - even if they don't believe in God. Just researching the New Age stuff isn't enough. But this takes a lot of work! It takes more perspiration than inspiration! Good luck listening to this! Vatican II seems to be a problem for a lot of Roman Catholics. It seems as though strange things were happening in the world in the late 50's and early 60's. Did the focus of Martin's book 'Windswept House' have something to do with this? Despite my heresy and critical attitudes toward historical and contemporary Roman Catholicism - I desire a successful and happy Roman Catholic Church - with some major reforms - of course. Everyone has there own idea regarding how the church should be changed. Perhaps all of us are deluded with different delusions. I have suggested a focus upon the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution - along with a Latin Mass without Communion - which emphasizes the Teachings of Jesus, rather than the Human Sacrifice of Christ. This would obviously be a hard-sell - but I will be very interested to see what transpires theologically in all churches over the next five years. Many things which have been swept under the rug are becoming common knowledge to the massses of humanity. This is undoubtedly causing a crisis of faith - as if we didn't already have enough to worry about. One more thing. Michelangelo = Archangel Michael? You don't suppose...



    Is evil being removed from this solar system, or not? I want that which is demonic removed from this solar system now. I want human abuse to stop now. I want human sacrifices to stop now. I want child abuse to stop now. I want deliberately perpetrated disasters to stop now. I wish I could personally cause all of the above bs to stop now. Again, I don't have a knee-jerk reaction against scales and tails - and I wouldn't have a problem constructively interacting with genuinely benevolent beings who are not human - as I know human to be. But the human race should be given a chance to flourish in this solar system - without being abused from the shadows. Is the idealistic vision for this solar system - which I have presented in this thread - gaining any traction? Any traction at all? I don't mind the idea of a high-tech solar system - but I don't want a high-bullshit solar system. One more thing. LET MY PEOPLE GO. NOW.



    Are the best and brightest Roman Catholics working in the Vatican? Are the best and brightest Americans working in Washington DC? Are the best and brightest Europeans working in the City of London? Are the best and brightest people of the world working at the United Nations? Are the people in the Vatican, Washington DC, the City of London, and the United Nations really running the world - or are they simply employees or minions of a Secret Government and a Queen of Heaven / God of This World? I would really like to know the innermost thoughts of the 10,000 best and brightest Human Beings - regarding Life, the Universe, and Solar System Governance. Would a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System result in the 10,000 best and brightest Human Beings running the Solar System? Think long and hard about what I just said...

    Picture Michael/Horus/Jesus as being a composite Archangel/Egyptian Pharaoh/Roman Emperor - commanding a 100 mile long unconventional spacecraft. Further, picture Michael/Horus/Jesus as being a Highly Refined Musician, Author, Architect, and Scientist. What if this image is closer to the truth than the image of a Crucified Sexually-Repressed Weakling? Should this image be seen in Christian churches - rather than placing crucifixes front and center - wearing little human-sacrifices as jewlry - and parading the Crucified Christ on a Pole - in grand processions? Think long and hard about what I just said...



    "The Eagle Has Landed". There is an aspect of the Masonic Order which I think is sort of cool. Interesting temples, business contacts, fellowship, secret handshakes, signs and symbols, etc. But the creepy crap at the top really bothers me a lot. If the Masons could rid themselves of all of the creepy, illegal, and even violent nonsense - I think they would be a lot happier and better-off. Perhaps they should fire their boss. Perhaps their boss would be a lot happier and better-off too. It might be a win-win. BTW - some of these double-headed eagle symbols are not Masonic. They seem to go back to the Roman Empire. They look kinda neat. If this is all about illumination and enlightenment - why is everything a great, big secret? The reason is a secret? @#$%^&*!!



    I know that some of you hate me - and hate what I post. I can understand that. If I were on the other side of the fence - I'd hate all of this too. I actually hate myself, at this point, because of my being so miserable and unproductive - and because of what I think I might've done in previous incarnations - or even prior to any incarnation into physicality. I think I hate myself more than you could ever hate me. I don't hate any of you - but just about everyone annoys me - regardless of whether they are good or bad - human or otherwise. Bullshit is at the top of my Fecal-List. I just want the bullshit in this solar system to stop - and you know exactly what I'm talking about. Is it too much to ask - for just one being - human or otherwise - in the entire universe - to debate me - point by point - regarding the contents of this thread? Just one - or a committee - it matters not. No one has done this, so far. Is everyone's mind already made-up and set in concrete? Was everyone's mind made-up hundreds of thousands of years ago? I keep getting the sinking feeling that we are no longer dealing with logic and common-sense. This seems to be about law, loyalty, never changing one's mind, and never having to say that you're sorry. But once again, I'm just guessing, because everything important is a secret - or so it seems.


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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:35 pm

    The Empire Strikes Bach! I've been listening to a lot of French Romantic Organ Music lately - but my real love is Bach - preferably played on a French Romantic Organ with French Romantic Interpretation. Heresy!!!! That reminded me of a difference of opinion I had with Peter Herford in the organ loft of the First Congregational Church at 6th and Commonwealth in Los Angeles. Too much information - and I have no idea why I remembered that! I'm just about ready to forget about just about everything - and focus almost exclusively upon nature and classical sacred music - and let everything else twist slowly, slowly in the wind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy24cNNknU0&feature=related I'm sure that all of the higher dimensional wonders can perform and appreciate this music. I'm sorry to be blunt and short - but I'm not exactly in a "let's all get on a ufo and ascend into 9D love and light" sort of mood. I'm tired of the bullshit. Perhaps tomorrow will be better...

    BWV 54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9nNHSU3Icw&feature=related
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    Please think about the possibility of a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - with 10,000 representatives from throughout the Solar System - which would effectively replace the Secret Government and the United Nations. Michael might have to replace Lucifer - and Gabriel might have to sign-off on the whole thing - to make it work - but I think the finished product might be in everyone's best interest - although probably no one would go for it - at least at the point of proposal. Lucifer might have to be incarcerated for an extended period - but perhaps they might be useful in an advisory capacity. Who knows? I have no idea if this is a good idea - and I have no idea how to implement such a concept. This would step on everyone's toes - terrestrial and extraterrestrial. The various countries and religions could continue pretty much as they chose to - but obviously the Vatican would undergo huge changes. I really need some help with the pros and cons of this sort of thing. This would be sort of a minimalist theocratic-democracy. The Vatican is supposedly the biggest enemy of Freedom and of the United States - so why not essentially place the United States and Freedom Within the Walls of Vatican City? Doctrinally the church would be mostly based upon the Teachings of Jesus - but governance-wise it would be based mostly upon the U.S. Constitution - with the Glory, Grandeur, Reverence, Awe, Pomp, and Circumstance of the Traditional Church - which would include an Ecumenical Namaste Latin Mass - which would be non-sacrificial - and would focus upon the Life and Teachings of Jesus - rather than the Sacrifice of Christ. Again - these are fighting words - which would probably make EVERYONE LIVID. So maybe I should just go back to my Bach and Buxtehude, Widor and Vierne...



    Sanicle wrote:
    I know that some of you hate me - and hate what I post. I can understand that. If I were on the other side of the fence - I'd hate all of this too. I actually hate myself, at this point, because of my being so miserable and unproductive - and because of what I think I might've done in previous incarnations - or even prior to any incarnation into physicality. I think I hate myself more than you could ever hate me. I don't hate any of you - but just about everyone annoys me - regardless of whether they are good or bad - human or otherwise.

    It really saddens me to read this orthodoxymoron, especially that you hate yourself. Please don't. I see you as a good man, working your butt off to help this planet and everyone on it, and I'm sure many here appreciate what you're trying to do and see this thread in the same way. Maybe no-one here debates you because you are 'preaching to the converted' at the Mists and I believe (although I don't presume to speak for everyone) that we all have our own version of your constitution in our hearts and minds anyway, agreeing with your intent. So why would we debate you?

    Again I send you I love you Flowers and Hugs
    Thank-you Sanicle. I should have probably explained that I was speaking mostly to the PTB - human and otherwise - terrestrial and extraterrestrial - and that the hatred would really kick-in if my ideas were actually implemented. This would really turn the world upside-down - even without the pole-shift. I really despise the current state of my existence - and that's just being honest - and honesty and openness are bad-things on this planet. Lying and pretending that everything's fine - even when it's not - is that which is expected and even demanded. I think you missed seeing me get chewed-out by Raven - in a rather trenchant and articulate manner - and I think that was just the tip of the iceberg. I could tell you more - but then you'd know too much. There is an academic way to debate this sort of thing - which can be quite detailed and involved. I have spoken previously of my desire to discuss this sort of thing with a Sistine Chapel Full of Jesuits - although I might not live to tell about it. I'm joking, of course - or am I serious?? A day or two ago, I spoke of my desire to be the Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System Ambassador to the Vatican - complete with a very small office/apartment at the Vatican. I really am a deluded dreamer - but it sure makes my dull life interesting, yet frustrating. Wanting everything - while having nothing - is a form of mental illness. It really is. Mitchell Pacwa and Walter Martin illustrate the sort of debate which would really sort things out, and expose weaknesses. I don't necessarily agree with either of these people - although I used to attend Walter Martin's Sunday-School Class. Lastly - I recently suggested the possibility of 2,000 years of Sede Vacante. And you wonder why I think some people might hate me???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR5mMPm6W3o&feature=related



    There just hasn't been a deep and methodical discussion regarding solar system governance. I'm not exactly a ufo chaser (but I have seen ufo's) - and I think I might've met a hybrid - but I'm much more interested in the governmental structure of the solar system - especially since I essentially lost my faith in traditional theology. It seems that we have to carry the ball to a much greater extent than many of us were told.


    Sanicle wrote:Dear ODM, believe me when I tell you that I know what it's like to be obsessed with an ideal/dream that no-one else seems to want to listen to. I've been there myself and it can be a heart-breaking place to be...very lonely. Although I also learned 'down the track' that I did touch people that I hadn't been aware of consciously. Maybe those few were all that were meant. I don't kid myself that I'm evolved enough to know the answers to such things.

    But I myself had to accept in the end that 'the world' wasn't interested in my dream and that that was OK. I also discovered that when we are acting from our hearts we are never alone, even if outward appearances would have us believe we are, as They are with us and open new doors for us when the old ones close. There are myriad ways in which we can do our bit to help.

    Please don't misunderstand me telling you this. I'm not saying that letting go is what you should do. That's not my call, only your's and Those you work with. I just wanted you to know that I understand some of what you're going through and care.

    I love you

    Edit: I just caught this---
    The ones who you are directing this post to are not going to challenge you
    nor even respond, as they know your words are justified and they are afraid of you and people like you who have compassion,empathy,consideration,thoughtfulness,humaneness,and love. So don't be afraid just love and be a peace with yourself.

    Beautifully said Firefly.
    It's really not just about me. The problems and complexities are multiplying - and a lot of people see a train-wreck in the near future. I really do think we (or others) could pretty much wipe out all life in this solar system. I think the destructive technology is that bad. Also, big-brother seems to be living with all of us - and paying no rent. The world is getting way too small - with way too many people. And who knows what evil lurks under our feet, in underground bases - and over our heads, within the Moon? Plus, there are unseen entities - both good and evil - who can view us 24/7 - and who can mess with us physically, mentally, and spiritually. Finally, Vengeful Deities seem to desire our torture, enslavement, and extermination - in retaliation for who knows what ancient transgressions, atrocities, and abominations? If you all can remain calm in this situation - you simply do not understand the predicament we're in. Every proposed solution is problematic to the nth degree - and when a proposal is made - the Proverbial Piranha (Jesuits and Alphabet Agents!) go to work. World Without Peace. Amen Ra.


    Thank-you Sanicle and firefly. I see the NWO as a continuation of the OWO (Old World Order) - Babylon/Egypt/Greece/Rome - ruled by the Queen of Heaven / God of This World - with Michael/Horus/Jesus and the Human Race not being in the Driver's Seat. This thread is my attempt to place Michael/Horus/Jesus and the Human Race back in the Driver's Seat - hopefully without the Battle of Armageddon, the Seven Last Plagues, the Final Judgement, or the Evacuation of the Lucky, Pure, and Obedient Few - and the Extermination of the Rest of Us Rebellious, No-Good SOB's. I am very wary of deception and manipulation - historically and in modernity. I'm rather paranoid these days...



    Should a hypothetical Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System resemble a large, well-run corporation? In a sense - I think it should - but it should be highly refined and ethical. Is this even possible - under even the best of circumstances? Idealism has a tendency to fall flat on it's face - and I fear that my good intentions might pave the road to hell. Is it really possible to unite church, state, the patriot-movement, the globalists, the secularists, and the new-agers? Is this even desirable? Should there be endless audits and investigations to make sure that nothing clandestine or wicked is transpiring? I think so. How powerful should a President of the United States of the Solar System be? How powerful should a Pope be? What should the relationship be between a Pope and a President of the United States of the Solar System? Things get sort of sticky - don't they? This is why I am running a non-scientific and non-scholarly governmental-model - in the form of this thread. This whole thing might not seem like a good idea when everything gets carefully examined and debated. This is a test. This is only a test. A very scary test - I might add. Should things just be left alone - and allowed to continue without correction? I desire changes - but the manner in which the changes occur is extremely important. I guess I like the idea of a gradual transition - but I don't really know. There are pros and cons to everything. I'm just trying to think through a lot of things - and it's proving to be quite complex and problematic. The United Nations, the Vatican, the City of London, the United States, and the Secret Solar System Government are key. I guess I contemplate cheating - by simply superimposing a United States of the Solar System upon that which already exists - rather than starting from scratch. It's sort of a party-crashing plot! There are a lot of powerful and even ruthless individuals and organizations - who would not stand idly by - and watch their dreams turn to ashes! They would fight hard and dirty! This is reality! One should not just run roughshod over everyone - even if they are capable of doing so. In a previous post - I mentioned my dream of being a United States of the Solar System Ambassador to the Vatican. Perhaps this would really include contact with all of the above mentioned organizations. It's just that all roads really do seem to lead to Rome - and if one is outside the walls of the Vatican - and fighting with the Vatican - they are probably going to lose - even if they have the most brilliant ideas and the best of intentions. A United States of the Solar System really and truly would need to be an Inside Job. I really do not relish the thought of trench-warfare with the Vatican. Wouldn't that be a mess!!!! Once again - consider reading books like 'The Keys of This Blood', 'Rule by Secrecy', and 'Rise of the Fourth Reich' with a United States of the Solar System very clearly in mind. Again, I am a United Nations Country Club Constitutionalist - rather than a Constitution and Shotgun in my Truck Constitutionalist. But, what do I know? Not nearly enough...


    ORTHODOXYMORON CRASHING THE NEW WORLD ORDER PARTY

    Should the United Nations Headquarters be the Headquarters of the United States of the Solar System? Should the Secret Government become Completely Visible and be integrated into the United States of the Solar System - so that the United Nations would no longer be an International Joke??? Should the current U.N. Building be shut-down - and a new site chosen? I have suggested a deconsecrated St. Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco as a 'clean sheet of paper' location for a U.S.S.S. Headquarters - but this is mostly for conceptual and illustrative purposes. Should it be located in Washington D.C., the City of London, Vatican City, or should a new building be constructed atop an underground base? Should U.S.S.S. sessions be held in an underground base? How about the Moon? This would really be about the integration of the Secret Government and United Nations into a visible and transparent 10,000 representative United States of the Solar System - based upon Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution. I would really not wish to change more than is absolutely necessary. Why reinvent the wheel - when all that is required is to make it perfectly round and true? Why kill the patient by trying to save them in a stupid manner? My mind is really not made-up in all of this. Please. Pretty please - confuse me with the facts. I wish to build upon the best which has been built over the centuries. I am absolutely committed to the concept of Positive Reinforcement. I mostly wish for the evil and corruption to go bye-bye. One more thing - the Archangel Thing will probably have to be properly handled - or this won't work. What is the proper relationship between Justice and Mercy - Condemnation and Forgiveness? What would each one of us have done if we had been in the shoes of the Solar System Powers That Be - going back hundreds, thousands, or even millions of years? Many of us have been good because of our environment - not because of our moral fiber. If our circumstances were different - who knows what we might be capable of doing - both good and evil? I continue to like the idea of the rotation of power provided for in the U.S. Constitution. We probably cannot eliminate corruption and insanity - but we can at least minimize it. That's the goal. I will try to focus upon an idealistic vision of solar system governance - but who knows what the reality will be? I'm not real quick - and I'm not very good at throwing my weight around - so don't expect too much from me. But, in any case, Do Your Homework and Fasten Your Seatbelts!!

    1. Model UN (trailer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2wHkmrMApI
    2. Model UN (part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSIieAtUp-k&feature=related
    3. Model UN (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSIieAtUp-k&feature=related
    4. America: Destroyed by Design http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zoDLI3HszU&feature=related
    5. Endgame http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho&feature=related



    The following is a composite of my recent posts on another website:

    I'd like to look at warfare and taxation - past, present, and future. I have no particular agenda or direction here. I will add more to this post as I get more ideas. 'America - Freedom to Fascism' is probably a good place to begin. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173# 'The Money Masters' is probably a good second video to view. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936# Even though it covers a lot of unrelated territory - 'Behold a Pale Horse' should probably be included in this thread. It will help us to grasp the big-picture in all of this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2414574348304077734#docid=-7367255331569182231

    I am partial to reversing the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 - and disbanding the IRS and the Federal Reserve. I support replacing the current tax-form system with a 5% point of sale consumption tax to directly fund legitimate governmental activities. I am in favor of getting the entire world completely out of debt. I am also in favor of getting the entire world completely out of war. All of this seems to be interrelated. We can't simply deal with one thing. We have to deal with everything.

    What percentage of our tax-dollars (from all taxation) goes to the United Nations, Washington D.C., the City of London, the Vatican, the Royal Family, the Secret Space Program, the Secret Government, and the Underground Bases - which may be hostile to the visible and constitutional United States of America? Could paying taxes be a treasonous act? Just as I posted my last comment - Internet Explorer stopped working. Is this coincidental? What percentage of the Worldwide Illegal Drug Trade goes to the entities listed above? Take a very close look at who was behind the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, World War I, the Great Depression, Looting Fort Knox, World War II, Project Paperclip, the Alphabet Agencies Worldwide, the Korean War, the Viet Nam War, the Kennedy Assasinations, the Iraq Wars, and the New World Order. Is all of this related? Repeal the 16th Amendment. Disband the Federal Reserve. Retroactively audit all taxation - and if there is any fraud, misuse, and abuse - return all relevant funds to all affected parties - with penalties and interest. Institute a 5% Federal Consumption Tax (with no tax forms) to fund LEGITIMATE governmental activities. Who really owns the property in the United States of America? Is the U.S. scheduled to undergo a controlled demolition? Keep asking the questions. No rest for the wicked. Are there any class-action lawsuits challenging the taxation system in the U.S.? Do you guys really want to keep writing the nasty letters? I can write some pretty nasty letters myself. I'm small-fry. Going after me could be VERY expensive for you. You know who I am. The electronic surveillance, and even supernatural surveillance, is reprehensible. The taxation system has very little to do with the legitimate and constitutional United States of America. We've been had - BIG TIME...

    How much does it cost to administer all taxation in the U.S.? Isn't this a monumental waste of money? Isn't this an activity which is hostile to the citizens of the U.S.? Why wouldn't a point of sale consumption tax (for all taxation) be a huge improvement in effeciency and morale? All taxation funds should go directly to the various legitimate governmental agencies - without passing through corrupt and private hands. This mess needs to be completely exposed NOW. Sorry you wrote that letter? OK...Internet Explorer just shut down again. Twice in 30 minutes - while I was posting the comments and questions above. Coincidental? Get a copy of 'Behold a Pale Horse' by Bill Cooper, and read it twice. Then, watch everything with Bill Cooper on Google and YouTube. There are others - but Bill seems to get to the heart of the matter - in a calm and rational manner. We the People of Earth need to get informed - without getting mad - or going mad. Then we need to clean-up this mess. We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races. Some people lead. Some people follow. Some people have ideas which are so far ahead of their time - that these ideas will be only be implemented long after their originator has left this world. Things are going to get worse - before they get better - but Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom will rise from the ashes of the New World Order - like the Flight of the Phoenix. I realize that these four BIG words are perplexing to those with small minds and no vision. My apologies.

    The following is some advice I received from an anonymous poster - and I cannot vouch for it's accuracy or validity> 'Step one. Google IMF transcripts (Individual Master File) and 'VAL-1". Second send a FOIA request to your local IRS office asking for a copy of your IMF transcripts so that you can see with your own eyes, the 'VAL-1" error code on your transcripts. VAL-1 = Invalid SSN Freeze which means IRS has tricked the computer to believing you owe income tax. (they use other codes as well) This is the foundation of their proof of claim againtst you. NOT THE CONSTITUTION. The Constitution contains 4400 words and was meant to be *understood* by everyone. The Tax Code contains 10,000,000 words and was intended to *steal* from everyone. Any questions? The 16th Amendment wasn’t legally ratified, (see “The Law That Never Was”) and the income tax has been declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. Join the nearly 70 million *law abiding* Americans who refuse to pay this extortion.'

    Thank-you. You have made me curious enough to try this! Once again - why don't we replace the whole mess with a 5% national federal consumption tax - which goes directly to legitimate governmental activities. Why don't we eliminate nearly all debt - personal and public? Why don't we back the dollar with silver? Why don't we audit the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, and the Underground Bases? Why don't we REALLY stop the illegal drug trade worldwide? Why is this so hard? I think that the real solutions are really quite simple - but the lies, corruption, hatred, complexity, confusion, and insanity - are so ingrained in our thinking and society - that we can't see the forest for the trees. I really desire a solution - and I really don't wish to rant and rave. Taxation should be simplified. The Secret Government should be transparent. Globalism should be based upon Responsible Freedom. Black Projects should be revealed to the public. Let freedom ring! If you research the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, Deep Underground Military Bases, Magneto Leviton Trains, The New World Order, Black Projects, etc. - and how they are financed - you will understand why Solar System Governance is a relevant and important issue. We need a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System. Study the words separately. Then study them as a whole, and the light should shine into your dark soul.

    Here is the response to the last couple of sentences in the previous paragraph> 'There is no "Secret Space Program" nor "Deep Underground Military Bases", so your strange plans of solar system domination have no meaning. My soul is just fine, thank you.'

    INTERNAL REVENUE??? DOES THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH REVENUE FOR THE UNDERGROUND BASES WHICH ARE NOT UNDER THE DIRECT AND COMPLETE CONTROL OF HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE PART OF THE LEGITIMATE AND VISIBLE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR TAX MONEY GOES TO GIZEH INTELLIGENCE? I WANT ANSWERS - AND I WANT THEM NOW. REPEAL THE 16TH AMENDMENT - IF IT WAS EVER PROPERLY RATIFIED. ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE - AND INSTITUTE A 5% NATIONAL FEDERAL CONSUMPTION TAX - WITH POINT OF SALE COLLECTION. NO MORE TAX FORMS. IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY ILLEGALITY - WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD EXPECT FULL TAX REFUNDS - WITH PENALTIES AND INTEREST - ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1913. YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE KNOWN WHAT HAS REALLY BEEN GOING ON REGARDING THE INFILTRATION AND SUBVERSION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED. THE TIDE IS TURNING. DON'T GET CAUGHT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS THING.

    So - who is the rightful owner of this solar system? Who is the rightful head of the Christian Church? Who is the rightful head of the Monarchy? Who is the rightful and legitimate head of this solar system? Do we need to make some changes? These changes should be made immediately. You know what I'm talking about - and you know that I know what's really going on. There will be consequences and reprecussions - throughout the whole damn solar system. You had all better get right with your maker - and I'm not bluffing or kidding. GAME OVER.

    I don't mean to be shrill or dogmatic - I just wish for this solar system to be cleaned-up. Try reading the previous three posts out-loud while listening to Latin Masses or Classical Sacred Music - over and over and over - and then just believe and do whatever makes sense to YOU. Do you see my point? I continue to think this thread just scratches the surface, and that it's only the beginning. I have a feeling that I may have been a lot more effective in previous incarnations. This incarnation seems to be pretty much a wasted life - at least from my perspective. I am VERY disappointed. I think I need to spend a lot of time digesting what little I have learned over the last couple of years. A little information - with lots of zeal - is a VERY dangerous combination. We need to take our time - do our homework - and proceed wisely and cautiously. Things will probably be VERY interesting over the next couple of decades. Hopefully things will calm-down after the seemingly inevitable storm. Namaste.


    I was thinking that if I ever had face to face contact with Vatican officials, or with other aspects of the Powers That Be - that they might very well tell me that they mostly agreed with me, but that what I desired was an impossibility, because of the attitudes of the general public and the influence of the super powerful off-world or unseen-entities - and that despite all appearances to the contrary, that the Earthly Powers That Be are not in the driver's seat, and that they never will be - so I might as well just go back to my little dreamworld, and shut the f$%# up. In many respects, it seems that the human-race has chosen the devil - and that the devil has given us what we wanted, and told us what we wanted to hear - and then proceeded to rob us blind - laughing all the way to the Bank of Sirius (and conducting galactic conquest?). I have huge differences with the devil - but I also have huge differences with humanity. I think I might end up fighting with everyone - and being hated by everyone - as I continued to try to help everyone (including the devil). This madness could conceivably continue forever - but it could end tomorrow - if we really wanted it to. How *&^%^$#@ stupid are we?



    Here is yet another reason why I have declared war on war. Sorry to be so graphic - but we need to stop fiddling, while Rome burns. We don't want a peacenik like Jesus - do we? http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/10/airforce_powers_071022/


    Is there a legitimate and realistic Political and Spiritual Switzerland? I have been searching for one, right here on this thread - but so far, I don't seem to be gaining traction regarding this seemingly noble goal. Will this thread be pulled out of the rubble of a global meltdown, and put to use in 20 or 30 years? Someone, please prepare for such a possibility. There may be too much negative and devastating momentum for anyone to be able to save us from a really nasty couple of decades. Would it be better to try to be a part of rebuilding a shattered world - or would it be better to try to use some of the ideas in this thread to try to save the world? I could see the contents of this thread (and myself) being blamed for an inevitable train-wreck, as sort of a scape-goat. Perhaps I shouldn't push too hard to get the essence of this thread established anytime soon. Perhaps later would be better than sooner. Timing is everything - right? What I really worry about is Vengeful Deities, Hostile Off-World Beings, and Unseen Demonic Entities - all of whom might have extreme hatred and extreme power. I have no idea what we are REALLY dealing with - but I am feeling increasingly helpless and hopeless - even as my ideas and theories seem to be making more and more sense. I keep feeling as though it might not be possible to achieve productive and happy responsible freedom - no matter what we do, or how hard we try. There might be too much ancient baggage. But, as always, my chief complaint is that everything important seems to be a great, big secret. Is the truth really THAT bad? The incurable-optimism and unyielding-despair thing seems to be here to stay - for me, at least. The human collective unconscious probably contains some survival and utopia-seeking programming - which, in a sense, is prophetic - and resembles Divine Intervention. I also accept the idea that the Universal Powers That Be intervene from time to time - but I have become quite concerned that they might not approve of even the existence of the human race - and the often seemingly irrational and rebellious behavior of humanity - which might be very different from humanity's potential other-than-human roots. I presently see God as being a potential threat to the continued existence of the human race. I hate thinking this way - but look at the Old Testament, Roman Catholic history and theology, and some of the nasty messages I have received over the past couple of years - with theological overtones. All of the disaster/alien movies don't help either. "Legion" was a real disillusioning movie regarding God's wrath against humanity. If God be for us - who can be against us. If God be against us - we're screwed...



    What is the present status of solar system governance? Who is really calling the shots? Who created the human race? Are they part of the human race? Who is the best friend of the human race? Who is the worst enemy of the human race? Does the human race appreciate their history and current state of existence? How loving is the human race? How selfish is the human race? How smart is the human race? How stupid is the human race? How many races exist within this solar system? Are they related? Do they have the same type of souls? Where are all of the humanoid beings in the solar system from? Has all of the work and pain of human history been worth it? Is the harshness of life too great - or are things generally pretty good? Do animals have souls? If so, do these souls live forever? Is male and female physicality a good thing? Should we all be reptilian hermaphrodites? Should this solar system have a God? Does this solar system have a God? If so, who is this God? Is God a Human Being? If not, what type of being are they? Should God Rule a Theocratic Solar System - or should Human Beings rule themselves in whichever manner they choose? Is a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System a good or a bad idea? What is the optimal methodology of solar system governance? What is the consensus of the Universe Super Powers regarding how this solar system should be governed? What is the current status of the Archangels Gabriel, Lucifer, and Michael? Should they have a central role in solar system governance? All of them? Two of them? One of them? None of them? What is the nature, origin, and destiny of the soul? What is the nature, origin, and destiny of the human race? What is the nature, origin, and destiny of the reptilian race? What is the nature, origin, and destiny of the Orion Group? How many Reptilian Queens presently exist in the solar system? How many Reptilian Queens exist throughout the universe? Who is the Ultimate God of the Universe? Are they supportive of the human race? Why is everything important seemingly a secret? Has the human race been hijacked, enslaved, misused, and abused? Does the human race deserve to be exterminated? What is the nature, origin, and destiny of the New World Order? Who runs the Vatican? Who runs the United Nations? Who runs the City of London? Who runs Washington D.C.? Who runs Gizeh Intelligence? Who runs the Secret Government? Who runs the State of Israel? What is the true history of Michael/Horus/Jesus? Who is Michael/Horus/Jesus presently? When will the Second Coming of Christ occur? Has it already occurred? Will Jesus be rejected again and again and again - generation after generation after generation? Who really runs the Christian Church? Who do Christians really worship and praise? Will the truth set us free - or cause us to go insane - or engage in a world war? Is it worth it to really seek the truth? Is it worth it to really try to help the human race? Is truly helping the human race truly appreciated? Is the human race a renegade race which is fighting for survival?

    I could go on and on and on - but does anyone know any of the answers to these questions? Does anyone give a damn about any of these questions? Why will no one engage in an intelligent ongoing discussion with me? Why should I bother with all of this? Does anything I say or anything I do really count for anything or make any difference at all? Should I give up? Should I call for the eternal annihilation of sin and sinners? Does this solar system need to be completely purified and cleansed of everyone and everything which defiles a holy Kingdom of God? Should Lucifer rule from the shadows? Should Gabriel rule from the shadows? Should Michael rule from the shadows? Should all three rule from the shadows? Should all three leave the solar system? What would an optimal solar system administrator be like? Should they reign in a palace, like Ra, in Stargate? Should they work in an office at the United Nations? How uppitty or humble should they be? Should their every word be taken very seriously? Should they micromanage and macromanage? Should they mostly watch and ask questions? Should they dictate? Should there even be a solar system administrator? Should the Vatican have a major role in solar system governance? Who really rules the Monarchy? Once again - does anyone give a damn about anything worth a damn - or are they all out to maximize their own fame, fortune, power, and pleasure? What about YOU?



    In the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System - I added a short statement (some time ago), indicating that representative voting should be in harmony with the will of the people, as recorded in daily internet voting. Should this be refined to consist of the solar system public vote, counting for 50% of the U.S.S.S. vote on each issue or bill - proportionate with the various representative regions of the solar system? Do you see what I'm trying to say? Is anyone working on dividing the solar system up into legitimate and proper regions - so that no one gets screwed? Perhaps I should start working on this? Perhaps I (we) should launch a Solar System Government on the internet - and skip the U.N. and the City States!! Perhaps I should just incorporate such a thing into this thread. I probably just need to forge ahead with this - with or without the approval or participation of anyone. Sometimes, one has to just do something - just because it is a challenge - without any thought of whether it is possible or even reasonable. This continues to be a test. I suspect that it will eventually be a reality - but I keep thinking that I won't have anything to do with it, when the rubber really meets the road. I'm not very good at elbowing my way through life. In fact, I'm not very good at anything. Period. But I'd still like to at least be some sort of an observer in connection with solar system governance - even if I had to keep my mouth shut at all times - inside and outside of the solar system government environment. Just give me a badge - and duct-tape my mouth shut - and keep me in a base somewhere, so I can't spill the beans - and screw everything up. I'm serious. I really have no life to leave. I'm really non-productive - but in certain situations, I think I'm quite bright, but I don't seem to fit in anywhere in the 'real' world. I really do feel like this incarnation might be following an extended non-Earth existence. Sometimes I think I came here in 1947. Strange that I made-up that KRLLL fantasy. Why the hell did I do that - other than that I'm crazy??



    I just think it would be cool to be in a Stargate SG-1 type of facility - which wouldn't be militaristic, and which wouldn't necessarily have a stargate - but would just be a think-tank, with maybe a dozen humans and a dozen other-than-humans - who would live in this base year-round - and discuss all manner of solar system issues - as a precursor to an actual solar system governmental system. I'm really trying to conceptually exist within a solar system governmental environment 24/7. It's not going real well - and it is isolating me from those who I come in contact with. I can't talk about this stuff to 99.9% of the population - can I? I don't even try. The imagination seems to be the best think-tank environment. I just wish that this tempest in a teapot could actually do some good, as some point. I guess it just has to be sort of a hobby.


    In keeping with the previous post regarding eloquence and clarity of communication - imagine that we are all participating in a preliminary session of the United States of the Solar System - and that the topic of discussion is the general topic of this thread. Once again, I don't have to be right. I simply wish for solar system governance to be focused upon. I'm just trying to break the ice with this thread. There are probably millions of fantastic ideas out there - but I would like for them to be in here! I would especially like to hear from the Archangels. We're all Angels on the inside (even if we're 'fallen') aren't we? Are there good and bad Fallen Angels? Are there good and bad Unfallen Angels? Does Fallen Angel = Angel in Human Physicality? Do the Galactic Powers That Be consider Human Beings to be Demons in Human-Form - Sitting in Church Pews? Food for thought.

    Mercuriel wrote:How do You know that an Archangel hasn't already responded ?

    Whistle
    Thank-you Mercuriel. I think that is very possible - and even highly likely - but I prefer to remain as neutral, detached, and non-committal as possible. There are so many unknowns and variables. Something can appear to be one way - but in reality, it might be just the opposite. Do you have any thoughts regarding possible Archangel internet participation - here or elsewhere?

    Mercuriel wrote:As We are Angelics in Matter - Some of the Archangelics - Not presently known in Classical Literature or even Esoterica as such but nonetheless Archangelics - Have taken on the Flesh as well to assist at this Juncture in Human History...

    Its the Big Party Holmes and Everyones Invited - Including Archangelics...

    Heh heh

    That said - I'd definately say They're Posting on the Net and making Their presence known...

    Wink
    Thank-you Mercuriel. How many Archangels are there - throughout the entire universe? How many Archangels have a particular interest in this solar system? How many Archangels are part of the Orion Group? How many Archangels exist within this solar system? How many Archangels are in Draconian Reptilian form? How many Archangels are Reptilian(maximally)/Human(minimally) Hybrids?
    How many Archangels are physically like most human beings? I ask a lot of unanswerable questions, don't I?

    How many angles are enough? How many are too many? Were angels created? Did they evolve? Are angelic-origins a mystery? Is the Archangel of the Archangels considered to be God? Is being God a good job? Or is it a nasty job that someone has to do - whether they like it, or not? I keep getting the feeling that Human Physicality is not well thought of - throughout the universe. Did the Original Sin make a Multitude of Sins inevitable? Does Cleansing the Universe of Sin and Sinners involve the Complete Removal of Human Physicality? Until 2,300 Days - Then Shall the Sanctuary be Cleansed? Are the Draconian Reptilians necessarily evil and/or hostile toward humanity? What if the Big Bang were caused by a Super Weapon in an Ancient Star War? Did God Reboot the Universe? Did Atlas Shrug? What if this Solar System is a Big Colosseum Event for Archangel-Gladiators? Is this Solar System a Disneyland for the Gods? Or a Theater of the Universe? How about a Theater of the Absurd? I'd better stop. This is a Most Dangerous Game. I continue to suspect massive deception and manipulation - but for what purpose, and to what end? I am not sure. The lie seems to be different at every level. I continue to be VERY upset by all of the misery and suffering - historically and presently. Thank-you Mercuriel. I also continue to be VERY alarmed at all of the historical and contemporary illogical eschatological-extermination hate-speech. I sure hope the Japan Quake and Tsunami were not the first installments of a controlled-demolition of the human race. I keep feeling a bit like Kevin Cosgrove in the World Trade Center on 9/11. Would the End of the World be the End of Michael/Horus/Jesus and the Human Race? It might be later than we think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOzSeu6sJA Step away from the Cray - and no one gets hurt...

    Science and Technology needs to be used wisely. We don't seem to be able to properly manage a lot of the science and technology. I'm leaning toward a kinder and gentler world - with more pure-science and less applied-science. Here is an example of science and technology which I really like - Virgin Galactic! http://www.virgingalactic.com/ A United States of the Solar System would be good for Virgin Galactic - wouldn't it? This is the sort of business I would like to see really take-off! Get it? I once thought that I was conversing with Richard Branson (not about space-travel) on the internet - but I think I was probably deluded - as I am so often...

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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:04 pm

    Here is a Stargate SG-1 episode with relevance to a United States of the Solar System. Imagine this transpiring in San Francisco! http://www.hulu.com/watch/73465/stargate-sg-1-fair-game Here's a relevant triple-episode. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62966/stargate-sg-1-politics



    Don't be frightened. I mean no harm. What if it's Us vs Us? Did we rebel against a Reptilian Theocracy by choosing to create and incarnate - into Male and Female Human Physicality - in pursuit of better lives? Is this solar system the Devil's Island of the Universe? I really and truly don't know - but we should consider all of the possibilities (no matter how ridiculous they seem) shouldn't we? But isn't it interesting that I keep feeling an incredible sense of potential reincarnational guilt? I haven't done anything wrong in this incarnation (I haven't done anything, period) - so why the guilt? I experience much mental and physical misery as I seek to improve myself on a soul-level. It is SO much fun fighting 24/7 while accomplishing nothing. Hmmmmmm. All joking and bluffing aside - solar system governance and reptilian queens should be focused upon - and this thread is an excellent place to begin - but certainly not to end. This is only the beginning. I am of peace. Always. http://www.thevfiles.info/category/fanart/


    "in the final time of crisis,
    the Serpent Goddess will shake herself loose from her deep exiled sleep
    in the earth's belly.
    Perhaps the serpent of life's flowing energy
    will begin to rise again,
    all luminous and of the earth,
    and the children of our Great Mother will rise up with it,
    and the universe will be our home again, as before.
    This flight is not an escape, but a return.
    The only way for humans to survive the end is
    to return to the beginning."

    From "The Great Cosmic Mother"


    I'm really trying to discipline myself to do a proper review of this thread. There are so many gaps and loose-ends. If you could only see what I conceptually view in my mind's-eye! Words could never do justice to what I see! It's not how you look - it's how you see! Anyway, the point is that I think I might've touched upon a couple of important pieces of the puzzle - but YOU need to relentlessly pursue the truth, in order to get it right. But don't expect this activity to make you happy. It's probably about helping the human race to survive and thrive - and some of us might have to pay a high price to make this happen. I think there might be a helluva lot of reincarnational-guilt - on-world and off-world - human and otherwise. All of us might have a lot of ancient baggage. My speaking of reptilian queens should not be construed as being anti-female. Just the opposite. I think that women might be subjugated in order to control the human-race - because men are easier to control and manipulate - hence a controlled patriarchy, where the human-males only seem to be in charge. Who knows? I continue to not have an enemies list. I really wish for things to work out well for ALL CONCERNED. I am not proud, jealous, angry, or vengeful. Not yet anyway! Finally, I think that a very careful and extensive conceptual look at a hypothetical Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System should be engaged in by a wide variety of individuals and organizations - human and otherwise. I'm not saying this is the way things should be - but if we don't get this angle properly sorted-out - we're really wasting our time. I don't even want to think about what might REALLY be going on behind the scenes - throughout the solar system, and beyond. This thread is almost too much for me. If all of the alternative material on the web becomes too much for you to handle - JUST STOP - and do something different. I don't know that we have to wake everyone up - and expose them to all of the crap in the universe. Some of us probably have to deal with it - like maybe 13% of the people of the world. We can be a buffer - to help keep things on somewhat of an even-keel. If everyone were told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - probably 87% would go insane. That would be a bad thing. Get informed - without getting mad or going mad. Namaste and Godspeed.


    Has anyone heard the rumor (possibly vicious) that the Japan Quake and Tsunami were deliberately caused by HAARP or by nukes on the sea-floor? I have suspected that sort of thing - from day one - but bits and pieces of information and circumstantial evidence are begining to trickle in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WxmeOqYtB0&feature=player_embedded I am dead-set against war, terrorism, assassination, etc. There seems to be a rogue element loose in this solar system which works through front-factions to terrorize, brutalize, and enslave humanity. This rogue element needs to be stopped in it's tracks - and imprisoned or removed from this solar system. We can't just blame the Elites, the CFR, the Bilderbergers, the Royal Family, the Vatican, the Nazis, the Communists, the Democrats, the Republicans, or the Stupid Sheeple. We need to get to the heart of the matter - and end this madness once and for all. We seem to be quite simple and passive regarding allowing bullshit - and quite sophisticated and zealous regarding enforcing bullshit. We seem to be In Bed with the Devil - and loving every minute of it. We seem to be determined to Crucify Christ - over and over and over again - century after century after century. What the hell is going on? Anyone wanna guess who's in charge??? Give it your best shot!!!

    ""Holy Father," John Paul was asked toward the end of a private audience for visiting dignitaries in 1983, "can we expect Your Holiness to undertake many more of these papal visits to different parts of the world?" John Paul replied with candor, "Until as many men and women and children as I can reach have seen the face and heard the voice of Christ's Vicar; for I am their Pope, and this is what the Blessed Mother wishes her Son's Vicar to do."" -- taken from page 122 of 'Keys of This Blood' by Malachi Martin. What would Anna say? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDbXeOvGIgE Do you notice anything odd at 00:20 - 00:30 in this 'Angels and Demons' trailer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcE8QaKiTGk&feature=related Perhaps we wrestle against flesh and blood AND that which is not flesh and blood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYV7WeaDP_8

    When I speak of considering the possibility of a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - I am speaking of a solar system without the rotten-core which has been screwing things up for thousands of years. Does anyone have any idea what I'm speaking of? Why will no one really talk to me about any of this? I feel as though I am reinventing the wheel - day after day after day. What if St. Peter's Basillica were the meeting place of the United States of the Solar System? Or what about the already deconsecrated magnificent St. Ouen in France? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueU4CDjn3v0 This is sort of like combining the three contenders for control of the New World Order - which Malachi Martin wrote about in 'The Keys of This Blood' - under one roof - and without the previously mentioned rogue element. Should St. Peter's be outfitted with permanent Vatican II style seating - and should daily sessions occur which would be very similar to the Senate and Congressional Sessions in Washington D.C. - only with much more glory, grandeur, reverence, awe, pomp, and circumstance? As Robert H. Schuller used to say 'The Secular Must Become Sacred - and the Sacred Must Become Secular'. I agree. The Roman Catholic Church is, in essence, a World Government - and perhaps even a Solar System Government. It's not just an antiquated and irrelevant church of superstitious non-sense. If the Roman Catholic Church is in trouble - the whole damn world is in trouble. Once again - try reading 'The Keys of This Blood' with a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System clearly in mind. Even if this concept is impossible - I still think this possibility should be analyzed to death. The issues which would inevitably emerge, need to be thought through very, very carefully. I'm a bull in a china closet, regarding solar system governance - but I think I'm on the right track. There are highly intelligent, highly educated, and highly refined people - who would need to cut and polish this 'diamond in the rough'. I know my limitations.

    "What captures the unwavering attention of the secular leaders of the world in this remarkable network of the Roman Catholic Church is precisely the fact that it places at the personal disposal of the Pope a supranational, supracontinental, supra-trade-bloc structure that is so built and oriented that if tomorrow or next week, by a sudden miracle, a one-world government were established, the Church would not have to undergo any essential structural change in order to retain its dominant position and to further its global aims." - taken from 'The Keys of This Blood' pages 142-143.

    I love the universal, artistic, private, and meditative aspects of the Latin Mass - but I have problems with the human sacrifice aspects. I really am a walking contradiction. Mea Culpa. I am looking for a non-corrupt common-denomenator, which can possibly unite the world politically and spiritually - without coercion or persecution of any kind. I think I might be the best friend and worst enemy of just about everyone. Incidentally - I really do listen to Latin Masses on a daily basis - even though I am not a Roman Catholic. I am a Protestant Catholic New Age Agnostic - and proud of it! I find the following quotation to be both fascinating and chilling:

    "When you talk of the Eucharist, you are talking about the Roman Mass, which has been and still is the central act of worship for Roman Catholics. The value of the Mass for Catholics is twofold. A Mass, in Catholic belief, presents the real live Sacrifice of the body and the blood and physical life of Jesus consummated on Calvary. It is not a commemoration of that sacrifice, nor a reenactment after the fashion of a historical drama, nor a symbolic performance. Therein lies the mystery of the Mass. When a Roman Mass is said to be valid, it is believed to achieve that mysterious presentation of Christ's sacrifice of his bodily life. It has validity; and Roman Catholics can then literally adore their Savior under the physical appearance of bread and wine." - taken from 'The Keys of This Blood' page 667.

    I'm going to try to stop posting - one more time - but not from a change of heart or a lack of interest on my part. I don't think there was any way to delicately deal with the territory covered in this thread. I just got on the wild-horse, and rode it - to death, probably. Once again, I apologize to anyone who I might've hurt or offended - including the Queen of Heaven / God of This World. There is probably no perfect way to run this solar system. I am just very concerned about the historical and contemporary wars, terrorism, assassinations, murders, planned financial collapses, theological corruption, irresponsible business conduct, Anti-Christ Issues, environmental destruction, torture, etc, etc, etc. We seem to be oblivious to what is really transpiring beneath our feet, and throughout the solar system. Our moral compass seems to be broken. Our world seems to be on life-support - with the Galactic Powers That Be on the verge of pulling the plug. I don't really know who I am reincarnationally - but I worry about this, with fear and trembling. I think I may have screwed-up big-time - historically and presently - and I apologize to all concerned. I don't know what I'm going to do - but you won't know what I'm thinking about, if I'm not posting! Perhaps that's a good thing - for all concerned. I might just imagine participating in a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - Presided Over by Michael/Horus/Jesus - with the Queen of Heaven / God of This World Cursing in a Dungeon Beneath Vatican City!!! Talk About Pissed-Off!!! "@#%&*^$%@@$!!!!" I leave you with the Book of Enoch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfnS9H0A1Vk&feature=related More iniquity, retribution, judgment, and utter destruction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk&feature=relmfu I tend to be a fan of incarceration and reeducation - rather than torture, enslavement, and extermination. I guess I'm too merciful and longsuffering. I guess I failed the 'V' empathy-test. I try to be positive - but the sacred texts, internet rebukes, and life in general - make it very difficult for me to look on the bright side of life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ The conflict, anger, corruption, destruction, stupidity, and insanity seem to be infinite. I am more depressed than you can imagine. I will leave everyone to their own devices. Hopefully some of these devices are pleasurable. I think we could've had some really good discussions - but I think that time has passed. I won't beg or scold, or continue to attempt the impossible. Of all the words that tongue can tell, the saddest are "It might've been".

    This is what happened the last time they tried to set-up a Vatican-Based United States of the Solar System. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGYPYtMgf7Y Better luck next time. Right?

    This is a progress report from St. Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqqZ9dbWzD4&feature=related Plan A. Plan B. Right?

    This is the Queen of Heaven and the God of This World in Action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG66bNAYYE They have everything under control.

    This is a Walk Down Memory Lane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU World Without End. Amen.

    It's not over. Not over at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNhj72Hyk6Q World Without Amen. The End.

    Hungry Earth: http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/scifi_and_fantasy/watch/v201120667eWbBc5e

    Cold Blood: http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/scifi_and_fantasy/watch/v20134239KT5yFj3g

    (Hello Amen Ra! What should we do with you? Are you safe to save? I certainly hope you didn't have anything to do with the Japan Quake/Tsunami/Meltdown. I think you should call it quits. Then I think you should be given a fair trial. I'm still not a fan of eternal damnation and annihilation - but I suspect thousands of years of some really ugly behavior - so what should we do? Of course, I might have my own negative karmic-debt - so what should be done with me? What should be done with the human race? What should be done with other than human races? The whole thing seems to be a big mess. What do you think about a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - with Michael/Horus/Jesus as a Solar System Administrator and Authority of Last Resort? What did you think about those car-chases? I bet you have some stories to tell - but we need to take care of business first, don't we? We need to talk. No more games. No more secrets. OK? Namaste Amen Ra! I think this really is the end of this thread (because I'm at the end of my rope) - but hopefully it's not the end of the world. So be it.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlfxe8ujn7M

    Consider the Integration of:

    1. The Teachings of Jesus.

    2. The U.S. Constitution.

    3. The Latin Mass.

    4. Classical Sacred Music.

    5. A Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System.

    I'm not necessarily saying this is the way things should be, or that this is my final answer. I'm simply saying that this possibility should be exhaustively thought-through by the best and the brightest beings in the solar system.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svaxr4erV_Q


    I really sought to help everyone - but this seems to have been a mistake. I am well aware of a lot of what's really been going on. The all-seeing eye has been watching. I am aware of a lot of what various individuals and organizations have been saying and doing. You didn't think anyone would find out. You were wrong. My internet posting activities - and activities in general - have been sort of a test. I have been interested to see who my friends and enemies might be. Now I know. Now I will become silent and invisible - but I will not stop thinking and planning. Justice will be served up in heaping portions. You really shouldn't be so smug. This game is nearly over.

    1. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9xy85_the-five-doctors-part1_shortfilms
    2. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9xyke_the-five-doctors-part2_shortfilms
    3. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9xyx6_the-five-doctors-part3_shortfilms
    4. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9y1yg_the-five-doctors-part4_shortfilms
    5. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9y2rv_the-five-doctors-part5_shortfilms
    6. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9y3ca_the-five-doctors-part-6_shortfilms
    7. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9y46m_the-five-doctors-part7_shortfilms
    8. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9y4ss_the-five-doctors-part8_shortfilms
    9. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9y59n_the-five-doctors-part9_shortfilms
    10. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9y86c_the-five-doctors-part10_shortfilms

    Namaste to the People of the World. I Know in Whom I Have Believed. On Christ the Solid Rock I Stand. All Other Ground is Sinking Sand. Namaste to the Beings of the Universe.

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW8AJds1CzI
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mM46lVVarg&feature=related
    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdU0-d1Kz7I&feature=related
    4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAMdw4DQIE&feature=related
    5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9QIEvARo1M&fmt=18
    6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcphxV9jpo8&feature=related
    7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rk2zJP85Cc
    8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZWOGcdC_PI&feature=fvst
    9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydyLBdVZh34
    10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCsnSXRpXug&feature=related
    11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rig6b-jogg&feature=related
    12. BWV 564 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuVzH8CkAoU&feature=related (includes BWV 538)
    13. BWV 565 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QVaFcoC4_Y&feature=related
    14. BWV 565 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aej0vQJNQA&feature=related
    15. BWV 566 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2mYzjhZmJk&feature=related
    16. BWV 566 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egT5ZLt5GVg&feature=related (includes BWV 532 and BWV 546)
    17. BWV 572 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG0cTLyOsmU&feature=related
    18. BWV 575 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDvUHr6WpFI&feature=related (includes BWV 549 and BWV 568 and BWV 589 and BWV 535 and BWV 550)
    19. BWV 577 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M-RWJki3wY&feature=related (includes BWV 541 and BWV 539 and BWV 534 and BWV 537)
    20. BWV 582 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIagXM16RkQ&feature=related
    21. BWV 582 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1kX8T-CG7I (includes BWV 540 and BWV 565)
    22. Vierne Symphonie 3 Cantilene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=907EiMOZnOI
    23. Durufle Toccata http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxEzz3MW6yo&NR=1
    24. Mulet Carillon Sortie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related
    25. Dubois Toccata http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKwQTvj1h8w&feature=related
    26. Boellmann Suite Gothique http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueU4CDjn3v0&feature=related
    27. Gigout Grand Choeur Dialogue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9suezChCKtk&feature=related
    28. Saint Saens Sympony 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pny-Ily4SbE&feature=related
    29. Vierne Symphony 1 Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y_AAX4ay9U&feature=related
    30. Vierne Symphony 6 Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpzNdNbne-Y&feature=related
    31. Widor Symphony 2 Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DlJgdmcRG8
    32. Vierne Carillon de Wesminster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCsnSXRpXug&feature=related
    33. Widor Symphony 6 Allegro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmjpkvXbyII&feature=related
    34. Guilmant Sonate 1 Introduction et Allegro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8EoNyJvnU&feature=related
    35. Widor Symphony 6 Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BxHcPcTyTU&feature=related
    36. Guilmant Sonate 1 Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdYtGTjo2cM&feature=related
    37. Widor Symphony 6 Intermezzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooOT_v2rLlI&feature=related
    38. Guilmant Sonate 4 Allegro Assai http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BDiXqz9Grg&feature=related
    39. Widor Symphony 6 Cantabile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uNrMyOEfYw&feature=related
    40. Guilmant Sonate 2 Allegro Moderato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqcfsIz9oXU&feature=related
    41. Widor Symphony 7 Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWsDk77nBwg&feature=related
    42. Guilmant Sonate 2 Allegro Vivace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqT0ykAWbg&feature=related
    43. Widor Symphony 7 Chorale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vfr9Uj4rlI&feature=related
    44. Guilmant Sonate 5 Allegro Appassionato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKCoXZYi-dI&feature=related
    45. Widor Symphony 7 Lento http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5UzvstgxRI&feature=related
    46. Guilmant Sonate 5 Choral et Fugue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nb3eU141WI&feature=related
    47. Widor Symphony 7 Moderato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-gyvljgrrU&feature=related
    48. Guilmant Sonate 7 Intermezzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYJjR1m7qI&feature=related
    49. Widor Symphony 7 Andante http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpvmw9yQfW0&feature=related
    50. Guilmant Sonate 5 Scherzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6dinKSLtrs&feature=related
    51. Widor Symphony 7 Allegro Non Troppo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LefzuHUCfto&feature=related
    52. Bach BWV 662 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aW_nHk33wU
    53. Dupre Symphonie-Passion Nativie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyWH7jrgZk&feature=related
    54. Dupre Symphonie-Passion Crucifixion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyWH7jrgZk&feature=related
    55. Dupre Symphonie-Passion Resurrection http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlMwN5MDQ0M&feature=related
    56. Widor Matthaeus Finale from Bach's Momento http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq9fKPnYDHM&feature=related
    57. Chapuis Improvization on Bach's 'Vater unser im Himmelreich' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiMnLsJK-qk
    58. Widor Symphony 'Gothique' Moderato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyvN5tC4IU0&feature=related
    59. Saint Saen Fantasie in E Flat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vYn1lKgv4c&feature=related
    60. Widor Symphony 'Gothique' Andante Sostenuto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O79sLYjkefA&feature=related
    61. Vierne Symphonie 3 Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mVSoikeA0o
    62. Widor Symphony 'Gothique' Allegro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zswHI0BGaU&feature=related
    63. Lemmens Fanfare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svtE5iJUrgg&feature=related
    64. Widor Symphony 'Gothique' Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO1sU-LHAU&feature=related
    65. Durufle Prelude-Suite Opus 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Q3iAOeQ3M&playnext=1&list=PLD3D3D76A5CB51065
    66. Widor Symphony 'Ghotique' Moderato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGf17M51uys&feature=related
    67. Tournemire Victimae Paschali Laudes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ilqw9D0YcA&feature=related
    68. Widor Symphony 10 'Romane' Moderato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0RaATmFXXU&feature=related
    69. Tournemire Grave Fugue Postlude http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sK5cJPczb0&feature=related
    70. Widor Symphony 10 'Romane' Chorale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjYGAzEXjI&feature=related
    71. Vierne Toccata http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n59t1_2kflA&feature=related
    72. Widor Symphony 5 Toccata http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsyR40G2BeU&feature=related
    73. Liszt Funerailles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws9_F-FXqgI&feature=related
    74. Widor Symphony 8 Allegro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d0cXMdZ7_E&feature=related
    75. Kramer Evocation Improvization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgNOvYTY4Os&feature=related
    76. Widor Symphony 8 Adagio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44jKBaazlTM&feature=related
    77. Vierne 'The Bells of Hinkley' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qhEgE7-K34&feature=related
    78. Widor Symphony 8 Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6L1zaZ1q9I&feature=related
    79. Chapuis Improvization on Bach's "Valet will ich dir geben" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J70-Kbvf_9A&feature=related


    Don't be frightened. I mean no harm. This is just a weekly bump - to keep a dead-thread on life-support. Please consider a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. This subject is deeper and more problematic than you can possibly imagine - and it will require the undivided attention of the best and brightest beings in the solar system. I really think we are running out of time to get solar system governance right. I think this thing is really old, really big, really complex, and really ugly. I have no doubt that I don't know what I'm doing. I need all the help I can get. I'm not sure why I'm even doing this. Please do not ignore this subject - but please be prepared for a wild ride. I am of peace. Always.



    I just want the good guys and gals to win - and the bad guys and gals to be incarcerated and reeducated - with dignity and respect. I wish that I were part of a think-tank of perhaps a dozen humans and a dozen other than humans - who were attempting to save the solar system - in marathon underground base sessions. Unfortunately, if I were to participate in such an activity, I would probably end-up chip-implanted and mind-controlled. I might even be soul-scalped or demon-possessed. The unknowns in all of this are really scaring me. There is a level of scholarship and debate which I crave - but which just isn't happening in connection with this thread. I'm afraid to interact directly with Jesuits, Agents, Hybrids, et al - even though I think I already have. I don't know how seriously I am taken, or how threatening I am. I don't know what the stakes really are in this most dangerous game. I have committed to just posting on this site - or on a similar site - rather than making a great big deal about something I know very little about. I'd still like to spend some quality time in Rome - but I probably wouldn't live to tell about it. All roads lead to Rome - including the Egyptological, Extraterrestrial, Eschatological, and Esoteric roads. I guess my current goal is for the Secret Government, the United Nations, and the Vatican to become completely open and pure - and meet in a Deconsecrated Cathedral - in Representative Republic form - with a couple of thousand representatives on-site - and 8,000 representatives throughout the solar system - interacting and voting via the InterPlaNet. I continue to think that Mass Evacuations and Exterminations are bad things. Why is creating a Perfected Humanity in a Perfected Solar System a bad idea? I continue to think that 99% of what is going on in this solar system are the doings of the Orion Group - and that all of us MIGHT be part of an Interdimensional Reptilian Orion Group - at the soul-level. This MIGHT be the biggest secret. It sounds like a REALLY nasty and ancient Galactic Family Feud. But this is all just more guessing. I hate this guessing-game. I also hate living with the fear of 10.5 earthquakes, 500 meter walls of water, mushroom clouds, the 'seven last plagues', working in a slave-labor yttrium mine on Planet 666, and being served as dinner. Was Michael/Horus/Jesus the mastermind behind Human Physicality and Responsible Freedom - in direct opposition to a Reptilian Theocracy - thus committing the Original and Unpardonable Sin? Did God authorize Lucifer to reign-in the human-race by any means necessary - including deception, torture, and mass-murder? Here are the lyrics of a forthcoming song by Xavier (inspired by the novel with Annah within Darwin Mon Amour): http://www.myspace.com/ordinarypop/blog/530350256

    * To Orion *

    Spinning in dancing lights
    Travelling to Orion
    Floating, lost in time
    Carried by the streams of sound

    I wanna rise, see the world go micro size
    Rise until the fire burns my eyes

    You should come, fly beyond the clouds of stars
    You should come, meet me on a burning sun
    In Orion

    Draw a door on your wall
    Turn the knob and come on board
    Jump on a major chord
    And we'll take off to Orion

    I wanna rise, see the world go micro size
    Rise until the fire burns my eyes

    You should come, fly beyond the clouds of stars
    You should come, meet me on a burning sun
    In Orion

    Gone where the stars collide
    We'll leave our fears behind

    You should let it go

    I've been told that I should let it go. I've never had an NDE and I don't do regression hypnosis or anything spooky. All I know is that this life has not gone well - and I am dreading what will follow. It just feels as though the human race will not be allowed to succeed - and that we are being taught a great big lesson by the galactic powers that be - to never try human physicality and responsible freedom ever again. I keep feeling as though I might've been an original conspirator or ring-leader in all of this, and that there will be SIRIUS consequences at the end of what might be my final human incarnation. "Look what you caused!! What do you have to say for yourself?? You screwed-up!!! BIG TIME!!! Now you PAY!!! And PAY!!! And PAY!!! orthodoxymoron in the hands of vengeful deities??? I can't feel the love tonight.

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnFMrNdj1yY&feature=related
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGyq7d62oPQ&feature=fvwrel
    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGE_zSdCzDU&feature=related

    DO THE ORION POWERS THAT BE WISH FOR US TO GIVE-UP MALE AND FEMALE HUMAN PHYSICALITY - AND OUR QUEST FOR RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM IN A PERFECTED SOLAR SYSTEM???

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UWZBLUdYgs&feature=related Is this what we were before we were human? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWR6WE4z20g Is this what we will be after we are human?

    The following was written in 1846 by Ellen White: "Dark, heavy clouds came up and clashed against each other. The atmosphere parted and rolled back; then we could look up through the open space in Orion, whence came the voice of God. The Holy City will come down through that open space. I saw that the powers of earth are now being shaken and that events come in order. War, and rumors of war, sword, famine, and pestilence are first to shake the powers of earth, then the voice of God will shake the sun, moon, and stars, and this earth also. I saw that the shaking of the powers in Europe is not, as some teach, the shaking of the powers of heaven, but it is the shaking of the angry nations."


    Taxation and Coverup - with disregard and contempt for common-sense and the will of the people - seems to be the ongoing modus operandi - with no end in sight. If one is rich, increased with goods, and in bed with the devil - I guess doing the right thing is out of the question. The following is a composite of some recent posts on another website. 'America - Freedom to Fascism' is probably a good place to begin. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173# 'The Money Masters' is probably a good second video to view. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936# Even though it covers a lot of unrelated territory - 'Behold a Pale Horse' should probably be included in this thread. It will help us to grasp the big-picture in all of this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2414574348304077734#docid=-7367255331569182231

    I am partial to reversing the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 - and disbanding the IRS and the Federal Reserve. I support replacing the current tax-form system with a 5% point of sale consumption tax to directly fund legitimate governmental activities. I am in favor of getting the entire world completely out of debt. I am also in favor of getting the entire world completely out of war. All of this seems to be interrelated. We can't simply deal with one thing. We have to deal with everything.

    What percentage of our tax-dollars (from all taxation) goes to the United Nations, Washington D.C., the City of London, the Vatican, the Royal Family, the Secret Space Program, the Secret Government, and the Underground Bases - which may be hostile to the visible and constitutional United States of America? Could paying taxes be a treasonous act? Just as I posted my last comment - Internet Explorer stopped working. Is this coincidental? What percentage of the Worldwide Illegal Drug Trade goes to the entities listed above? Take a very close look at who was behind the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, World War I, the Great Depression, Looting Fort Knox, World War II, Project Paperclip, the Alphabet Agencies Worldwide, the Korean War, the Viet Nam War, the Kennedy Assasinations, the Iraq Wars, and the New World Order. Is all of this related? Repeal the 16th Amendment. Disband the Federal Reserve. Retroactively audit all taxation - and if there is any fraud, misuse, and abuse - return all relevant funds to all affected parties - with penalties and interest. Institute a 5% Federal Consumption Tax (with no tax forms) to fund LEGITIMATE governmental activities. Who really owns the property in the United States of America? Is the U.S. scheduled to undergo a controlled demolition? Keep asking the questions. No rest for the wicked. Are there any class-action lawsuits challenging the taxation system in the U.S.? Do you guys really want to keep writing the nasty letters? I can write some pretty nasty letters myself. I'm small-fry. Going after me could be VERY expensive for you. You know who I am. The electronic surveillance, and even supernatural surveillance, is reprehensible. The taxation system has very little to do with the legitimate and constitutional United States of America. We've been had - BIG TIME...

    How much does it cost to administer all taxation in the U.S.? Isn't this a monumental waste of money? Isn't this an activity which is hostile to the citizens of the U.S.? Why wouldn't a point of sale consumption tax (for all taxation) be a huge improvement in effeciency and morale? All taxation funds should go directly to the various legitimate governmental agencies - without passing through corrupt and private hands. This mess needs to be completely exposed NOW. Sorry you wrote that letter? OK...Internet Explorer just shut down again. Twice in 30 minutes - while I was posting the comments and questions above. Coincidental? Get a copy of 'Behold a Pale Horse' by Bill Cooper, and read it twice. Then, watch everything with Bill Cooper on Google and YouTube. There are others - but Bill seems to get to the heart of the matter - in a calm and rational manner. We the People of Earth need to get informed - without getting mad - or going mad. Then we need to clean-up this mess. We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races. Some people lead. Some people follow. Some people have ideas which are so far ahead of their time - that these ideas will be only be implemented long after their originator has left this world. Things are going to get worse - before they get better - but Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom will rise from the ashes of the New World Order - like the Flight of the Phoenix. I realize that these four BIG words are perplexing to those with small minds and no vision. My apologies.

    The following is some advice I received from an anonymous poster - and I cannot vouch for it's accuracy or validity> 'Step one. Google IMF transcripts (Individual Master File) and 'VAL-1". Second send a FOIA request to your local IRS office asking for a copy of your IMF transcripts so that you can see with your own eyes, the 'VAL-1" error code on your transcripts. VAL-1 = Invalid SSN Freeze which means IRS has tricked the computer to believing you owe income tax. (they use other codes as well) This is the foundation of their proof of claim againtst you. NOT THE CONSTITUTION. The Constitution contains 4400 words and was meant to be *understood* by everyone. The Tax Code contains 10,000,000 words and was intended to *steal* from everyone. Any questions? The 16th Amendment wasn’t legally ratified, (see “The Law That Never Was”) and the income tax has been declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. Join the nearly 70 million *law abiding* Americans who refuse to pay this extortion.'

    Thank-you. You have made me curious enough to try this! Once again - why don't we replace the whole mess with a 5% national federal consumption tax - which goes directly to legitimate governmental activities. Why don't we eliminate nearly all debt - personal and public? Why don't we back the dollar with silver? Why don't we audit the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, and the Underground Bases? Why don't we REALLY stop the illegal drug trade worldwide? Why is this so hard? I think that the real solutions are really quite simple - but the lies, corruption, hatred, complexity, confusion, and insanity - are so ingrained in our thinking and society - that we can't see the forest for the trees. I really desire a solution - and I really don't wish to rant and rave. Taxation should be simplified. The Secret Government should be transparent. Globalism should be based upon Responsible Freedom. Black Projects should be revealed to the public. Let freedom ring! If you research the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, Deep Underground Military Bases, Magneto Leviton Trains, The New World Order, Black Projects, etc. - and how they are financed - you will understand why Solar System Governance is a relevant and important issue. We need a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System. Study the words separately. Then study them as a whole, and the light should shine into your dark soul.

    Here is the response to the last couple of sentences in the previous paragraph> 'There is no "Secret Space Program" nor "Deep Underground Military Bases", so your strange plans of solar system domination have no meaning. My soul is just fine, thank you.'

    INTERNAL REVENUE??? DOES THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH REVENUE FOR THE UNDERGROUND BASES WHICH ARE NOT UNDER THE DIRECT AND COMPLETE CONTROL OF HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE PART OF THE LEGITIMATE AND VISIBLE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR TAX MONEY GOES TO GIZEH INTELLIGENCE? I WANT ANSWERS - AND I WANT THEM NOW. REPEAL THE 16TH AMENDMENT - IF IT WAS EVER PROPERLY RATIFIED. ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE - AND INSTITUTE A 5% NATIONAL FEDERAL CONSUMPTION TAX - WITH POINT OF SALE COLLECTION. NO MORE TAX FORMS. IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY ILLEGALITY - WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD EXPECT FULL TAX REFUNDS - WITH PENALTIES AND INTEREST - ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1913. YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE KNOWN WHAT HAS REALLY BEEN GOING ON REGARDING THE INFILTRATION AND SUBVERSION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED. THE TIDE IS TURNING. DON'T GET CAUGHT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS THING.



    Once again, consider this thread as being a study-guide, rather than being any sort of an exclusive claim to the truth. I just think that a lot of people should spend a lot of time in this mental and spiritual gymnasium - before moving on to bigger and better things. Once again, I'm going to try to internalise and refine the contents of this thread. I've been doing some of this - but I need to pick up the pace - and pretend that I am doing a doctoral dissertation on the possibility of a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - to be presented to the College of Cardinals, in the Sistine Chapel, at the Vatican. (They'd eat me alive. They really would.) I fully realize that this suggestion would make just about everyone angry. But what if something similar to this is the best next step for the human race??? Just for fun - imagine Amen Ra enforcing this concept upon the people of the world!!! But seriously - would it take someone like that to really institute something like that??!! This is certainly something to think about!! Be a Sirius Researcher! Don't just be a Galactic Lookie Loo!! Be more than a UFO Chaser!! A lot more!! I just consider all of the fringe material to be nothing more than possibilities. It's very hard to prove conspiracy theories - but this doesn't mean that all of the theories are completely false. I mostly ask questions, in connection with a lot of controversial material. I really do try to get as close to the truth as possible - but it might take decades to really pin things down in a definitive manner. Still - the possible alternative pictures of reality are often quite distressing - and extreme caution should be used by investigators - so as not to behave irrationally or irresponsibly. Just buying the party-line - or falling for every conspiracy-theory - might be the epitome of stupidity. I don't believe everything I read or hear - but I do believe that everyone is out to get me - especially the Jesuits. Here are some relevant videos regarding the Vatican:

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzzT8z5W-lc
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwIsyhCdJgg&feature=related
    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlulKmN2MU0&NR=1&feature=fvwp
    4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iby1iI5xoEM&feature=s2l
    5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY
    6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT6kFyT-6Qs
    7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_oBgUC6mg8
    8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyLrToeXhcI&feature=related
    9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCI3cpf6mr4&feature=related
    10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLp9xigjajM&feature=related
    11. http://lefleurdelystoo.blogspot.com/2009/06/prophecies-of-marie-julie-jehanny.html

    Perhaps a Non Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - which incorporates 1. The Teachings of Jesus. 2. The U.S. Constitution. 3. The Latin Mass. 4. The Classical Sacred Music - should be established somewhere in the world - as an experiment. This would take a lot of money - and a lot of discipline. The Vatican is very structured and top-heavy. I'm really too spontaneous for that sort of environment. How would Jesus fit in at the Vatican? What would Jesus say? What would Jesus do? Would Jesus get excommunicated from his own church? Would the Swiss Guard escort Jesus off the premises? Would Jesus have to set-up shop across the street? Might Jesus insist upon some of the reforms which have been touched upon in this thread? What is the proper balance between structure and spontaneity - the royal-model and the servant-model? What would the Pope of Rome say? What would the Prince of Sirius say? Are there too many secrets? Are too many secrets being revealed to the general public? Is there a Future Intellectual and Spiritual Switzerland which will usher in a Millenium of Free-Peace and Responsible-Freedom? Are we enlightened and disciplined enough to have a true world constitutional republic? Should there be a Vatican Watching Society - which would include both Catholic and Non-Catholic constructive critics? These are interesting questions and very interesting times we live in - to say the least. Consider bringing your free-thinking research into the context of the Vatican. Try combining these opposites. Is anyone taking my approach to knowledge seriously? I still think that a Vatican Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System is EXTREMELY interesting to think about! What a stirred-up hornet's nest that would be! Can you imagine the fighting that would occur if such a thing were attempted! But what if that turned out to be the best solution to the problems facing the solar system? Is the visible and invisible Vatican really in charge of this solar system? What does the word 'Vatican' really include?

    Imagine having a small apartment/office within the walls of the Vatican. Sometimes I think it would be cool to be the Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System Ambassador to the Vatican - with reasonable access to most areas and personnel - and with a 400 square-foot office/apartment in Vatican City - complete with an entry-level Cray - of course! Talk about Persona Non Grata!!!! All joking aside - can you Vatican guys set this up? Consider this to be a formal request. I'd want to have my very own female-model cook/driver/secretary/bodyguard/housekeeper!!! Now I'm joking again. Actually, a 90 square-foot apartment/office would be just fine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZSdrtEqcHU How would one dress? Probably in an Armani suit - with Prada shoes!! orthodoxymoron goes to Rome! The infiltration and subversion of the Vatican by orthodoxymoron - as an Angel of Satan - to buffet them!!! Actually - I would try to fit in - as I attempted to change everything - while changing as little as possible - with an emphasis on historical continuity!!! Ain't gonna happen - but it's fun to think about. What would Jesus say and do if he lived in Vatican City? Would he drive the money changers out of the temple with a whip - or would he drive the Queen of Heaven around Rome in a Ferrari???!!! Can the Queen of Heaven / God of This World be completely reformed - and converted to completely support a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System? Would they deserve and require extended incarceration? Would they be safe to save? One more thing. Both the Vatican and the Illuminati seem to be devoted to keeping secrets - rather than revealing secrets. Illumination does not seem to be a priority. Quite the opposite. I desire a happy, peaceful, open, and honest world - but that's not gonna happen - is it? The corrupt will always rule the stupid - right? I'd better stop. They have many, many ways to make me stop. I hate no one, and I mean no harm - but I think I've stepped on a few tender toes - and I'll probably get kicked where it counts - HARD! It already feels like I'm getting quadruple-teamed on a supernatural level. I think this might've been going on for most of my life. I continue to swear at the unseen bastards - and I even flip them off! Some of the demonic entities have probably died laughing at me! If I could see beyond the veil - I'd probably die of fright. They wouldn't even need the poison-cup or the last-supper. The horror!

    If you review this thread carefully, you will see that I don't neatly fit into any particular category. I'm all over the place! I'm really trying to envision an idealistic Roman Catholic Church and New World Order. This is very tricky territory - and I'm obviously in way over my head. My objectivity and idealism tends to be emotionally and spiritually destabilizing. I don't think I can really be anyone's friend, because I inevitably ask hard and unsettling questions. I don't make anyone feel secure - so I am a threat to everyone. I'm everyone's friend - and everyone's enemy - simultaneously. I don't know what to do. I am so debilitated by my research and thinking, that I can't properly function. My house and personal life are a mess - and I am very unhappy - but I feel that achieving a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System is worth nearly any sacrifice. I wish to be productive and happy - but this just isn't happening. I can't even begin to imagine what would happen to insiders if they tried to implement a lot of the ideas I am toying with. And this sort of thing would have to be well researched - and properly introduced - or the efforts would be worse than wasted. The effect could be devastating. Please be very careful and kind. This is truly playing with very hot fire.



    I feel so supernaturally-attacked, so burned-out, and so ignored - that I really wonder what the point of any further efforts to save the world and solar system might be - at least for me. How long should one continue an exercise in futility? When no rational dialogue is forthcoming - should one continue to beg for intellectual and spiritual companionship? The mega-churches are packed - but do they teach what Jesus taught? Does any church teach what Jesus taught? Has any church, in 2,000 years of Christianity, taught what Jesus taught? How many souls presently make the words of Christ their rule of faith and practice? 144,000? I determined to simply post on a small forum - and see what happened. There might be a lot of views - but I keep commenting on my own thread - which bumps it to the top of the heap - which is really cheating. There is no natural and genuine interest in this thread. I thought it might, over time, attract the right humans and other-than-humans - but this has not happened. This thread, and my life, have been a monumental failure. I will pretend that someone is paying attention, and continue with this thread - but I don't really want to. I feel that I have to do something with my frustration. Perhaps this is catharsis. Or is it madness? Should I simply wash my hands of this mess, and fly into the sunset - never to return? Would that be in the best interest of all concerned? Has humanity renedered it's verdict? Are the galactic powers that be preparing to respond?

    The whole conspiracy-theory and esoteric-research fields of study seem to be inherently destablizing. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't be pursued, but extreme discipline is required to do this thing the right way. Perhaps there should be a scholarly 'Journal of Esoteric and Conspiracy Research' where heavily footnoted articles by PhD's would be the norm. As crazy as it sounds, I've recently been trying to take my research and theorizing within the walls of the Vatican - in a conceptual attempt to reform the church, the world, and the solar system. This is sort of a discipline, where I imagine interacting with Jesuits, Cardinals, and even the Pope - in a dignified and constructive manner - regarding my ideas for changing the world. I keep fearing the meltdown of world civilization - followed by depopulation - followed by a really nasty theocracy. Unfortunately, I've come to the conclusion that I need to cut way back on my 'change the world' thinking and posting. I need to completely digest what I've already been exposed to. Concern and goodwill can easily morph into hostility and anger. We have a history of not remaining cool, calm, and collected - and I have a sinking feeling that regressives (human and otherwise) have taken advantage of this fact - for thousands of years. Actually, I think this is over - in more ways than one. I called it quits a week ago - but then I started again - as I always do. But I think I'm really going to stop completely. Thank-you all for your longsuffering. Here is that previous post - one more time:

    I'm going to try to stop posting - one more time - but not from a change of heart or a lack of interest on my part. I don't think there was any way to delicately deal with the territory covered in this thread. I just got on the wild-horse, and rode it - to death, probably. Once again, I apologize to anyone who I might've hurt or offended - including the Queen of Heaven / God of This World. There is probably no perfect way to run this solar system. I am just very concerned about the historical and contemporary wars, terrorism, assassinations, murders, planned financial collapses, theological corruption, irresponsible business conduct, Anti-Christ Issues, environmental destruction, torture, etc, etc, etc. We seem to be oblivious to what is really transpiring beneath our feet, and throughout the solar system. Our moral compass seems to be broken. Our world seems to be on life-support - with the Galactic Powers That Be on the verge of pulling the plug. I don't really know who I am reincarnationally - but I worry about this, with fear and trembling. I think I may have screwed-up big-time - historically and presently - and I apologize to all concerned. I don't know what I'm going to do - but you won't know what I'm thinking about, if I'm not posting! Perhaps that's a good thing - for all concerned. I might just imagine participating in a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - Presided Over by Michael/Horus/Jesus - with the Queen of Heaven / God of This World Cursing in a Dungeon Beneath Vatican City!!! Talk About Pissed-Off!!! "@#%&*^$%@@$!!!!" I leave you with the Book of Enoch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfnS9H0A1Vk&feature=related More iniquity, retribution, judgment, and utter destruction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk&feature=relmfu I tend to be a fan of incarceration and reeducation - rather than torture, enslavement, and extermination. I guess I'm too merciful and longsuffering. I guess I failed the 'V' empathy-test. I try to be positive - but the sacred texts, internet rebukes, and life in general - make it very difficult for me to look on the bright side of life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ The conflict, anger, corruption, destruction, stupidity, and insanity seem to be infinite. I am more depressed than you can imagine. I will leave everyone to their own devices. Hopefully some of these devices are pleasurable. I think we could've had some really good discussions - but I think that time has passed. I won't beg or scold, or continue to attempt the impossible. Of all the words that tongue can tell, the saddest are "It might've been".



    Thank-you Mercuriel. I appreciate your efforts on this website and on this thread. I will respond to posts - but I'm not going to venture forth with new and unsolicited posts. I'm going to stop tooting my own horn. I might comment on other people's threads. I can't believe that Lucifer would choose annihilation. My impression is that Lucifer is as corrupt as hell - but that they are a crafty fighter and survivor - not a quitter. I also get the impression that they are a mercenary middle-being who profits from both sides of this present darkness. One of my primary goals continues to be the disempowerment, incarceration, and reeducation of every evil soul in the solar system. If this were accomplished - I would personally interact with them on a daily basis - in a mostly neutral manner - wherein I would use positive reinforcement in dealing with them. I would attempt to learn from them (seriously!) - without becoming corrupted. They would mostly instruct themselves regarding reformation. That's the theory, anyway! They're probably laughing their @$$e$ off (if they even have @$$e$) - even as I type!! My expectations have been unrealistic in many regards. It's understandable why the sheeple don't wish to get involved in these exercises in futility. It might be equally futile for the elites and other bad guys to try to become good guys. Imagine trying to reform or leave the Mafia or La Cosa Nostra!!! Time for the nice little walk down to the river - to put on the cement shoes!!! We seem to be locked into the madness - at all levels.

    This thread has been nothing more than a cry in the dark. But please consider spending some quality-time considering a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. Abomination of Desolation - or Wave of the Future? Time will tell - as it always does. Actually - this world may be too corrupt for my ideas to work. I have lost confidence in both the general public and the powers that be. The gods and goddesses don't impress me much either - from what I have heard. Nearly everything seems to be about gaining fame, fortune, power, and pleasure - by whatever means - ethical or otherwise. Too many people are dealing with the devil. The human race seems to have made it's choice - at the highest levels - and not a good one. I will try to stop swimming upstream - so as to regain some of my sanity. I am very, very sorry for any trouble I might have caused. Thank-you for your patience. Hopefully I've gotten whatever it was, out of my system. Good night. God bless you. And God bless the United States of the Solar System.

    AND YOU THINK YOU HAVE PROBLEMS...

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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:16 pm

    I've mentioned the Mass previously (particularly the Latin Mass), as being a possible liturgical benchmark or frame of reference - modified and enlightened by the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, and the Sacred Classical Music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE&feature=related This is more of a suggested focus of study - rather than being some sort of dogmatic assertion on my part. A possible union of all of the above should be given careful thought - especially regarding a possible Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. Problem areas (for me) continue to be Transubstantiation, Crucifixes, Use of Fermented Wine, and the Human-Sacrifice Aspects (especially regarding the Mass not simply being a remembrance of the sacrificial life of Christ). This is all hypothetical territory. I've simply tired of waiting for the 'Best and the Brightest' to get it right. Call it the 'Revenge of the Completely Ignorant Fools'. We shall overcome - but I don't have a clue how or when. I guess I continue to seek a minimalist and non-corrupt union of church and state - at least regarding solar system governance - which would guarantee religious and political freedom within each state of the hypothetical United States of the Solar System. Does anyone have any idea regarding what I am trying to conceptually accomplish? Am I trying to put new wine in old wineskins? Is this an exercise in futility? Perhaps hymn-singing and listening to sacred classical music - with a homily on the Teachings of Jesus - should be enough. I have thought about this option for years - and I don't know why I haven't mentioned it yet in this thread. I'm really trying to not kick sand in the faces of Catholics, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Orthodox, and Lutherans - who highly value the Mass. My approach is a compromise of sorts - but is compromise usually a mistake?

    What if the Mass were interpreted as being a Memorial for ALL of Those Who Sacrificed Their Lives in the Quest for Responsible Freedom - which would obviously include Jesus Christ - and which would be ongoing (rather than being a single sacrifice)? I wish to completely avoid an "Appeasement of the Gods" situation. Might the Mass be interpreted as being a Memorial Service? I realize that this would seem too somber for most Evangelicals and Positive Thinkers - but perhaps there should be a proper time and place for solemn reflection - wherein parishoners face themselves, and think. What if the Crucifixion of Christ and the Sacrifice of the Mass are symbolic of the Continuing Punishment and Eventual Extermination of the Entire Human Race (Including Michael/Horus/Jesus) for Rebelling Against a Reptilian Theocracy by Creating Human Physicality - Incarnating Into Male and Female Human Bodies - and Seeking Responsible Freedom? Wars, Terrorist-Events, Earth-Changes, etc. - are sometimes referred to as being Sacrifices. 9/11 is an example of this. What the hell is really going on in this regard? Perhaps Jesus Christ is considered to be the most sinful being in the universe - which might be why he is hanging on the walls of thousands of churches throughout the world. Think about it. Perhaps Lucifer has been tasked with enslaving and torturing the human race - with the full approval of the Universal Powers That Be. Please forgive me, if I have this wrong. I really wish to be at peace with ALL CONCERNED - throughout the entire universe - but I am very afraid regarding the future of the human race - and their surviving and thriving here in this solar system. This Prison Planet really feels like Death Row. I'm sorry for the negativity - but we really need to think through ALL of the possibilities. It seems as though the beautiful art-form of the Latin Mass has been intermingled with some questionable theology. How do we properly deal with this sensitive matter? Do we just continue to sweep everything under the rug - and pass the problems off to the next generation? Would it be helpful to think of the Roman Catholic Church as being the Babylonian/Egyptian/Grecian/Roman Catholic Church - controlled by the Whore of Babylon, rather than being the Whore of Babylon? Believe it or not, this is not meant to be derogatory. I seek a changing of the guard, and the positive reinforcement of the best of the past. Anyway - here is the Wikipedia entry for the Mass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_(liturgy)


    Mass is the Eucharistic celebration in the Latin liturgical rites of the Roman Catholic Church. The term is used also of similar celebrations in Old Catholic Churches, in the Anglo-Catholic tradition of Anglicanism, in Western Rite Orthodox Churches, in Lutheran churches, and in a small number of High Church Methodist parishes. For the celebration of the Eucharist in Eastern Churches, including those in full communion with the Holy See, other terms such as the Divine Liturgy, the Holy Qurbana and the Badarak are normally used. Most Western denominations not in full communion with the Catholic Church also usually prefer terms other than Mass.

    For information on the theology of the Eucharist and on the Eucharistic liturgy of other Christian denominations, see "Eucharist" and "Eucharistic theology". For information on history see Eucharist and Origin of the Eucharist, and with specific regard to the Roman Rite Mass, Pre-Tridentine Mass and Tridentine Mass.

    The term "Mass" is derived from the Late Latin word missa (dismissal), a word used in the concluding formula of Mass in Latin: "Ite, missa est" ("Go; it is the dismissal").[1][2] "In antiquity, missa simply meant 'dismissal'. In Christian usage, however, it gradually took on a deeper meaning. The word 'dismissal' has come to imply a 'mission'. These few words succinctly express the missionary nature of the Church" (Pope Benedict XVI, Sacramentum caritatis, 51)

    The Council of Trent reaffirmed traditional Christian teaching that the Mass is the same Sacrifice of Calvary offered in an unbloody manner: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different. And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner... this sacrifice is truly propitiatory" (Doctrina de ss. Missae sacrificio, c. 2, quoted in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1367). The Council declared that Jesus instituted the Mass at his Last Supper: "He offered up to God the Father His own body and blood under the species of bread and wine; and, under the symbols of those same things, He delivered (His own body and blood) to be received by His apostles, whom He then constituted priests of the New Testament; and by those words, Do this in commemoration of me, He commanded them and their successors in the priesthood, to offer (them); even as the Catholic Church has always understood and taught."[3]

    The Catholic Church sees the Mass as the most perfect way it has to offer latria (adoration) to God. The Church believes that "The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it."[4] It is also Catholic belief that in objective reality, not merely symbolically, the wheaten bread and grape wine are converted into Christ's body and blood, a conversion referred to as transubstantiation, so that the whole Christ, body and blood, soul and divinity, is truly, really, and substantially contained in the sacrament of the Eucharist.[5]


    Texts used in the Roman Rite of MassThe Roman Missal contains the prayers, antiphons and rubrics of the Mass. Earlier editions also contained the Scripture readings, which were then fewer in number. The latest edition of the Roman Missal gives the normal ("ordinary") form of Mass in the Roman Rite.[6] But, in accordance with the conditions laid down in the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum of 7 July 2007, the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal, the latest of the editions that give what is known as the Tridentine Mass, may be used as an extraordinary form of celebrating the Roman Rite Mass.

    In the United States and Canada, the English translation of the Roman Missal is at present called the Sacramentary. The Lectionary presents passages from the Bible arranged in the order for reading at each day's Mass. Compared with the scripture readings in the pre-1970 Missal, the modern Lectionary contains a much wider variety of passages, too many to include in the Missal. A Book of the Gospels, also called the Evangeliary,[7] is recommended for the reading from the Gospels, but, where this book is not available, the Lectionary is used in its place.

    Within the fixed structure outlined below, the Scripture readings, the antiphons sung or recited during the entrance procession or communion, and the texts of the three prayers known as the collect, the prayer over the gifts, and the postcommunion prayer vary each day according to the liturgical season, the feast days of titles or events in the life of Christ, the feast days and commemorations of the saints, or for Masses for particular circumstances (e.g., funeral Masses, Masses for the celebration of Confirmation, Masses for peace, to begin the academic year, etc.).

    The priest enters, with a deacon, if there is one, and altar servers. The deacon may carry the Book of the Gospels, which he will place on the altar, and the servers may carry a processional cross and candles and incense. During this procession, ordinarily, the entrance chant is sung.[8] If there is no singing at the entrance, the entrance antiphon is recited either by some or all of the people or by a lector; otherwise it is said by the priest himself.[9] When the priest arrives at his chair, he leads the assembly in making the sign of the cross, saying: "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit",[10][11][12][13] to which the people answer: "Amen." Then the priest "signifies the presence of the Lord to the community gathered there by means of the Greeting. By this Greeting and the people’s response, the mystery of the Church gathered together is made manifest" (General Instruction of the Roman Missal, 50).[1] The greetings are derived from the Pauline epistles.

    Then the priest invites those present to take part in the Act of Penitence, of which the Missal proposes three forms, the first of which is the Confiteor. This is concluded with the priest's prayer of absolution, "which, however, lacks the efficacy of the Sacrament of Penance" (GIRM 51). "On Sundays, especially in the Season of Easter, in place of the customary Act of Penitence, from time to time the blessing and sprinkling of water to recall Baptism may take place" (GIRM 51).

    "After the Act of Penitence, the Kyrie is always begun, unless it has already been included as part of the Act of Penitence. Since it is a chant by which the faithful acclaim the Lord and implore his mercy, it is ordinarily done by all, that is, by the people and with the choir or cantor having a part in it" (GIRM 52). The Kyrie may be sung or recited in the vernacular language or in the original Greek.

    "The Gloria in Excelsis Deo is a very ancient and venerable hymn in which the Church, gathered together in the Holy Spirit, glorifies and entreats God the Father and the Lamb. ... It is sung or said on Sundays outside the Seasons of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and feasts, and at special celebrations of a more solemn character" (GIRM 53). In accordance with that rule, the Gloria is omitted at funerals. It is also omitted for ordinary feast-days of saints, weekdays, and Votive Masses. It is also optional, in line with the perceived degree of solemnity of the occasion, at Ritual Masses such as those celebrated for Marriage ("Nuptial Mass"), Confirmation or Religious Profession, at Masses on the Anniversary of Marriage or Religious Profession, and at Masses for Various Needs and Occasions.

    "Next the priest invites the people to pray. All, together with the priest, observe a brief silence so that they may be conscious of the fact that they are in God’s presence and may formulate their petitions mentally. Then the priest says the prayer which is customarily known as the Collect and through which the character of the celebration is expressed" (GIRM 54).

    On Sundays and solemnities, three Scripture readings are given. On other days there are only two. If there are three readings, the first is from the Old Testament (a term wider than Hebrew Scriptures, since it includes the Deuterocanonical Books), or the Acts of the Apostles during Eastertide. The first reading is followed by a Responsorial Psalm, a complete Psalm or a sizeable portion of one. A cantor, choir or lector leads, and the congregation sings or recites a refrain. The second reading is from the New Testament, typically from one of the Pauline epistles. The reader typically concludes each reading by proclaiming that the reading is "the word of the Lord," and congregation responds by saying "Thanks be to God."

    If a deacon participates, he reads the Gospel. A priest, bishop, or even the Pope should not proclaim the Gospel if a deacon is participating.The final reading and high point of the Liturgy of the Word is the proclamation of the Gospel. This is preceded by the singing or recitation of the Gospel Acclamation, typically an Alleluia with a verse of Scripture, which may be omitted if not sung. Alleluia is replaced during Lent by a different acclamation of praise. All stand while the Gospel is chanted or read by a deacon or, if none is available, by a priest. To conclude the Gospel reading, the priest or deacon proclaims: "This is the Gospel of the Lord" (in the United States, "The Gospel of the Lord") and the people respond, "Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ." The priest or deacon then kisses the book.

    At least on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation, a homily, a sermon that draws upon some aspect of the readings or the liturgy of the day, is then given. Ordinarily the priest celebrant himself gives the homily, but he may entrust it to a concelebrating priest or, occasionally, to the deacon, but never to a lay person. In particular cases and for a just cause, a bishop or priest who is present but unable to concelebrate may give the homily. On days other than Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation, the homily, though not obligatory, is recommended.[14]

    On Sundays and solemnities, all then profess their Christian faith by reciting or singing the Nicene Creed or, especially from Easter to Pentecost, the Apostles' Creed, which is particularly associated with baptism and often used with Masses for children.

    The Liturgy of the Word concludes with the General Intercessions or "Prayers of the Faithful." The priest speaks a general introduction, then a deacon or lay person addresses the congregation, presenting some intentions for prayer, to which the congregation responds with a short response such as: "Lord hear our prayer". The priest may conclude with a supplication.

    The linen corporal is spread over the center of the altar, and the Liturgy of the Eucharist begins with the ceremonial placing on it of bread and wine. These may be brought to the altar in a procession, especially if Mass is celebrated with a large congregation.[15] The bread (wheaten and unleavened) is placed on a paten, and the wine (from grapes), mixed with a little water, is put in a chalice. As the priest places each on the corporal, he says a silent prayer over each individually, which, if this rite is unaccompanied by singing, he is permitted to say aloud, in which case the congregation responds to each prayer with: "Blessed be God forever." Then the priest washes his hands, "a rite that is an expression of his desire for interior purification."[16]

    The congregation, which has been seated during this preparatory rite, rises, and the priest gives an exhortation to pray: "Pray, brethren, that our sacrifice may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father." The congregation responds: "May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands, for the praise and glory of his name, for our good, and the good of all his Church." The priest then pronounces the variable prayer over the gifts that have been set aside.

    The Eucharistic Prayer, "the center and summit of the entire celebration",[17] then begins with a dialogue between priest and people. This dialogue opens with the normal liturgical greeting, but in view of the special solemnity of the rite now beginning, the priest then exhorts the people: "Lift up your hearts." The people respond with: "We lift them up to the Lord." The priest then introduces the great theme of the Eucharist, a word originating in the Greek word for giving thanks: "Let us give thanks to the Lord, our God," he says. The congregation joins in this sentiment, saying: "It is right to give him thanks and praise."

    The priest then continues with one of many Eucharistic Prayer prefaces, which lead to the Sanctus acclamation: "Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God of power and might, Heaven and Earth are full of your glory, Hosanna in the Highest, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, Hosanna in the Highest."

    In some countries, including the United States, the people kneel immediately after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus. However, the general rule is that they kneel somewhat later, for the Consecration,[18] when, according to Catholic faith, the whole substance (what they are prior to the consecration) of the bread and wine is converted into that of the body and blood of Christ (which are now inseparable from one another and from his soul and divinity),[19] while the accidents (or appearances) of bread and wine remain unaltered (see Transubstantiation).

    The chalice is displayed to the people immediately after the consecration of the wine.The Eucharistic Prayer includes the Epiclesis, through which the Church implores the power of the Holy Spirit that the gifts that have been set aside may become Christ's body and blood and that the Communion may be for the salvation of those who will partake of it.[20]

    The central part is the Institution Narrative and Consecration, recalling the words and actions of Jesus at his Last Supper, which he told his disciples to do in remembrance of him.[21]

    Immediately after the Consecration and the display to the people of the consecrated elements, the priest invites the people to proclaim "the mystery of faith", and the congregation joins in reciting the Memorial Acclamation. The Roman Missal gives three forms of this acclamation. Of the first of these three, the 1973 English translation provided a very loose translation and added a second not based on any of the Latin acclamations. In Ireland yet another form ("My Lord and my God") was permitted. The revised translation, which will be put into use in most English-speaking countries on the first Sunday in Advent in 2011 (it is already in use in South Africa) has instead faithful translations of the three Latin acclamations.[22]

    The Eucharistic Prayer also includes the Anamnesis, expressions of offering, and intercessions for the living and dead. It concludes with a doxology, with the priest lifting up the paten with the host and the deacon (if there is one) the chalice, and the singing or recitation of the Amen by the people. The unofficial term "The Great Amen" is sometimes applied to this Amen.

    All together recite or sing the "Lord's Prayer" ("Pater Noster" or "Our Father"). The priest introduces it with a short phrase and follows it up with the embolism: "Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day. In your mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ." The people then add the doxology: "For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and forever."

    Next comes the rite of peace (pax). After praying: "Lord Jesus Christ, you said to your apostles: 'I leave you peace, my peace I give you.' Look not on our sins, but on the faith of your Church, and grant us the peace and unity of your kingdom where you live for ever and ever ", the priest wishes the people the peace of Christ: "The peace of the Lord be with you always." The deacon or, in his absence, the priest may then invite those present to offer each other the sign of peace. The form of the sign of peace varies according to local custom for a respectful greeting (for instance, a handshake or a bow between strangers, or a kiss/hug between family members).

    While the "Lamb of God" ("Agnus Dei" in Latin) litany is sung or recited, the priest breaks the host and places a piece in the main chalice; this is known as the rite of fraction and commingling.

    If extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion are required, they may come forward at this time, but they are not allowed to go to the altar itself until after the priest has received Communion (General Instruction of the Roman Missal, 162). The priest then presents the transubstantiated elements to the congregation, saying: "This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Happy are those who are called to his supper." Then all repeat: "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed." The priest then receives Communion and, with the help, if necessary, of extraordinary ministers, distributes Communion to the people, who, as a rule,[23] approach in procession. When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the Sacrament as a gesture of reverence, and may receive the consecrated host either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant.[23] The distributing minister says: "The body of Christ" or "The blood of Christ", according as the element distributed is the consecrated bread or the consecrated wine, or: "The body and blood of Christ", if both are distributed together (by intinction).[24] The communicant responds: "Amen."

    While Communion is distributed, an appropriate song is recommended. If that is not possible, a short antiphon is recited before the distribution begins.

    "The sacred vessels are purified by the priest, the deacon, or an instituted acolyte after Communion or after Mass, insofar as possible at the credence table" (GIRM 279). Then the priest concludes the Liturgy of the Eucharist with the Prayer after Communion, for which the people are invited to stand.

    After the Prayer after Communion, announcements may be made. The Missal says these should be brief. The priest then gives the usual liturgical greeting and imparts his blessing. The liturgy concludes with a dialogue between the priest and congregation. The deacon, or in his absence, the priest himself then dismisses the people. The Latin formula is simply "Ite, missa est", but the 1973 English Missal gives a choice of dismissal formulas. The congregation responds: "Thanks be to God." The priest and other ministers then leave, often to the accompaniment of a recessional hymn, and the people then depart. In some countries the priest customarily stands outside the church door to greet them individually.

    Since the Second Vatican Council, the time for fulfilling the obligation to attend Mass on Sunday or a Holy Day of Obligation now begins on the evening of the day before,[25][26] and most parish churches do celebrate the Sunday Mass also on Saturday evening. By long tradition and liturgical law, Mass is not celebrated at any time on Good Friday (but Holy Communion is distributed, with hosts consecrated at the evening Mass of the Lord's Supper on Holy Thursday, to those participating in the Celebration of the Passion of the Lord) or on Holy Saturday before the Easter Vigil (the beginning of the celebration of Easter Sunday), in other words, between the annual celebrations of the Lord's Supper and the Resurrection of Jesus (see Easter Triduum).

    Deacons, priests and bishops are required to celebrate the Liturgy of the Hours daily, but are not obligated to celebrate Mass daily. "Apart from those cases in which the law allows him to celebrate or concelebrate the Eucharist a number of times on the same day, a priest may not celebrate more than once a day" (canon 905 of the Code of Canon Law), and "a priest may not celebrate the Eucharistic Sacrifice without the participation of at least one of the faithful, unless there is a good and reasonable cause for doing so" (canon 906).

    Priests may be required by their posts to celebrate Mass daily, or at least on Sundays, for the faithful in their pastoral care. The bishop of a diocese and the pastor of a parish are required to celebrate or arrange for another priest to celebrate, on every Sunday or Holy Day of Obligation, a Mass "pro populo" - that is, for the faithful entrusted to his care.

    For Latin-Rite priests, there are a few general exceptions to the limitation to celebrate only one Mass a day (General Instruction of the Roman Missal, 204). By very ancient tradition, they may celebrate Mass three times at Christmas (the Midnight Mass or "Mass of the Angels", the Dawn Mass or "Shepherd's Mass", and the Day Mass or "Mass of the Divine Word", each of which has its own readings and chants).

    On All Souls' Day they may also, on the basis of a privilege to all priests by Pope Benedict XV in August 1915, celebrate Mass three times; only one of the three Masses may be for the personal intentions of the priest, while the other two Masses must be applied, one for all the faithful departed, the other for the intentions of the Pope. A priest who has concelebrated the Chrism Mass, which may be held on the morning of Holy Thursday, may also celebrate or concelebrate the Mass of the Lord's Supper that evening. A priest may celebrate or concelebrate both the Mass of the Easter Vigil and Mass during Easter day (the Easter Vigil "should not begin before nightfall; it should end before daybreak on Sunday"; and may therefore take place at midnight or in the early hours of Easter morning). Finally, a priest who has concelebrated Mass at a meeting of priests or during a pastoral visitation by a bishop or a bishop's delegate, may celebrate a second Mass for the benefit of the laity.

    In addition to these general permissions, the Local Ordinary may, for a good reason, permit priests to celebrate twice (they are then said to "binate," and the act is "bination") on weekdays, and three times ("trinate," and "trination") on Sundays and Holy Days (canon 905 §2). Examples would be: if a parish priest were to need to celebrate the usual, scheduled daily Mass of a parish, and a funeral later in the morning, or three Masses to accommodate all of the parishioners in a very populous parish on Sundays. In particularly difficult circumstances, the Pope can grant the diocesan bishop permission to give his priests faculties to trinate on weekdays and quadrinate on Sundays.

    In many countries, the bishop's power to permit priests to celebrate two Masses on one day and three Masses on one day is widely availed of, so that it is common for priests assigned to parish ministry to celebrate at least two Masses on any given Sunday, and two Masses on several other days of the week. Permission for four Masses on one day has been obtained in order to cope with large numbers of Catholics either in mission lands or where the ranks of priests are diminishing.

    The length of time that it takes to celebrate Mass varies considerably. While the Roman Rite liturgy is shorter than other liturgical rites, it may on solemn occasions - even apart from exceptional circumstances such as the Easter Vigil or an event such as ordinations - take over an hour and a half. The length of the homily is an obvious factor that contributes to the overall length. Other factors are the number of people receiving Communion and the number and length of the chants and other singing.

    For most of the second millennium, before the twentieth century brought changes beginning with Pope Pius X's encouragement of frequent Communion, the usual Mass was said exactly the same way whether people other than a server were present or not. No homily was given,[27] and most often only the priest himself received Communion.[28] Moral theologians gave their opinions on how much time the priest should dedicate to celebrating a Mass, a matter on which canon law and the Roman Missal were silent. One said that an hour should not be considered too long. Several others that, in order to avoid tedium, Mass should last no more than half an hour; and in order to be said with due reverence, it should last no less than twenty minutes. Another theologian, who gave half an hour as the minimum time, considered that Mass could not be said in less than a quarter of an hour, an opinion supported by others, including Saint Alphonsus Liguori, who said that any priest who finished Mass in less than that time could scarcely be excused from mortal sin.[29]

    A Mass celebrated in connection with a particular rite, such as an ordination, a wedding or a profession of religious vows, may use texts provided in the "Ritual Masses" section of the Roman Missal. The rite in question is, most often, a sacrament, but the section has special texts not only for Masses within which Baptism, Confirmation, Anointing of the Sick, Orders, and Holy Matrimony are celebrated, but also for Masses with religious profession, the dedication of a church, and several other rites. Confession (Penance or Reconciliation) is the only sacrament not celebrated within a Eucharistic framework and for which therefore no Ritual Mass is provided.

    The Ritual Mass texts may not be used, except perhaps partially, when the rite is celebrated during especially important liturgical seasons or on high ranking feasts.

    A Nuptial Mass[30] is a Ritual Mass within which the sacrament of Holy Matrimony is celebrated. If one of a couple being married in a Catholic church is not a Catholic, the rite of Holy Matrimony outside Mass is to be followed. However, if the non-Catholic has been baptized in the name of all three Persons of the Trinity (and not only in the name of, say, Jesus, as is the baptismal practice in some branches of Christianity), then, in exceptional cases and provided the bishop of the diocese gives permission, it may be considered suitable to celebrate the marriage within Mass, except that, according to the general law, Communion is not given to the non-Catholic (Rite of Marriage, Cool.

    "Mass" is one of many terms used to describe the Eucharist in the Anglican tradition, the others being "Holy Communion," "Holy Eucharist," "the Lord's Supper," and "the Divine Liturgy." In the English-speaking Anglican world, the term used frequently connotes the Eucharistic theology of the one using it. "Mass" is considered an Anglo-Catholic term.

    The various Eucharistic liturgies used by national churches of the Anglican Communion have continuously evolved from the early editions of the Book of Common Prayer, which was loosely based upon the Pre-Tridentine Mass. The structure of the liturgies, crafted in the tradition of the Elizabethan Settlement, allows for a variety of theological interpretations, and generally follows the same rough shape. Some or all of the following elements may be altered or absent depending on the rite, the liturgical season and use of the province or national church:

    The Gathering of the Community: Beginning with a Trinitarian-based greeting or seasonal acclamation; followed by the Collect for Purity; the Gloria in Excelsis Deo or some other song of praise, Kyrie eleison, and/or Trisagion; and then the collect of the day. During Lent and/or Advent especially, this part of the service may begin or end with a penitential rite.
    The Proclamation of the Word: Usually two to three readings of Scripture, one of which is always from the Gospels, plus a psalm (or portion thereof) or canticle between the lessons. This is followed by a sermon or homily; the recitation of the Apostles', Nicene or Athanasian Creeds; the prayers of the congregation or a general intercession, a general confession and absolution, and the passing of the peace.

    The Celebration of the Eucharist: The gifts of bread and wine are brought up, along with other gifts (such as money and/or food for a food bank, etc.), and an offertory prayer is recited. Following this, a Eucharistic Prayer (called "The Great Thanksgiving") is offered. This prayer consists of a dialogue (the Sursum Corda), a preface, the sanctus and benedictus, the Words of Institution, the Anamnesis, an Epiclesis a petition for salvation and a Doxology. The Lord's Prayer precedes the fraction (the breaking of the bread), followed by the Prayer of Humble Access and/or the Agnus Dei, and the distribution of the sacred elements (the bread and wine). After all who have desired to have received, there is a post-Communion prayer, which is a general prayer of thanksgiving. The service concludes with a Trinitarian blessing and the dismissal.
    The liturgy is divided into two parts: The Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist, but the entire liturgy itself is also properly referred to as the Holy Eucharist. The parts and sequence of the liturgy are almost identical to the Roman Rite, except the Confession of Sin ends the Liturgy of the Word in the Anglican rites in North America, while in the Roman Rite and in Anglican rites in the rest of the world the Confession is near the beginning of the service.

    The Anglican tradition includes separate rites for nuptial masses, funeral masses, and votive masses. The Eucharist is an integral part of many other sacramental services, including ordination and Confirmation.

    A few Anglo-Catholic parishes use Anglican versions of the Tridentine Missal, such as the English Missal, The Anglican Missal, or American Missal, for the celebration of mass, all of which are intended primarily for the celebration of the Eucharist. Many Anglo-Catholic parishes in the Church of England use A Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion (successor to the earlier A Manual of Catholic Devotion). In the Episcopal Church USA, a traditional-language, Anglo-Catholic adaptation of the 1979 Book of Common Prayer has been published (An Anglican Service Book).

    All of these books contain such features as meditations for the presiding celebrant(s) during the liturgy, and other material such as the rite for the blessing of palms on Palm Sunday, propers for special feast days, and instructions for proper ceremonial order. These books are used as a more expansively Catholic context in which to celebrate the liturgical use found in the Book of Common Prayer and related liturgical books.

    These are supplemented by books specifying ceremonial actions, such as A Priest's Handbook by David Michno, Ceremonies of the Eucharist, by Howard E. Galley, and Ritual Notes by E.C.R. Lamburn. Other guides to ceremonial include the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite (Peter Elliott), Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described (Adrian Fortescue), and The Parson's Handbook (Percy Dearmer).

    In the Book of Concord, Article XXIV ("Of the Mass") of the Augsburg Confession (1530) begins thus: "Falsely are our churches accused of abolishing the Mass; for the Mass is retained among us, and celebrated with the highest reverence. We do not abolish the Mass but religiously keep and defend it... we keep the traditional liturgical form... In our churches Mass is celebrated every Sunday and on other holy days, when the sacrament is offered to those who wish for it after they have been examined and absolved (Article XXIV)".

    Martin Luther rejected parts of the Roman Rite Catholic Mass (specifically the Canon of the Mass), which he argued did not conform with Hebrews 7:27, which contrasts the Old Testament priests, who needed to make a sacrifice for sins on a regular basis, with the single priest Christ, who offers his body only once as a sacrifice, and also with Hebrews 9:26, 9:28, and 10:10. He composed as a replacement a revised Latin-language rite, Formula missae in 1523 and the vernacular Deutsche Messe in 1526.

    In German, the Scandinavian languages, Finnish, and some English Lutherans, use the word "Mass" for their corresponding service,[31] but in most English-speaking churches, they call it the "Divine Service", "Holy Communion, or "the Holy Eucharist".

    The celebration of the Mass in Lutheran churches follows a similar pattern to other traditions, starting with public confession (Confiteor) by all and a Declaration of Grace said by the priest or pastor. Followed by the Introit, Kyrie, Gloria, collect, the readings with an alleluia (alleluia is not said during Lent), homily (or sermon) and recitation of the Nicene Creed. The Service of the Eucharist includes the General intercessions, Preface, Sanctus and Eucharistic Prayer, elevation of the host and chalice and invitation to the Eucharist. The Agnus Dei is chanted while the clergy and assistants first commune followed by lay communicants. Postcommunion prayers and the final blessing by the priest ends the Mass. A Roman Catholic or Anglican would find its elements familiar, in particular the use of the sign of the cross, kneeling for prayer and the Eucharistic Prayer, bowing to the processional crucifix, kissing the altar, incense (among some), chanting, and vestments.

    Lutherans are to offer the Eucharist each Sunday.[32] Also, eucharistic ministers take the sacramental elements to the sick in hospitals and nursing homes. The ancient practice of celebrating Mass each Sunday is as Martin Luther wanted and the Lutheran confessions teach is increasingly the norm in most Lutheran parishes throughout the world. This restoration of the weekly Mass has been strongly encouraged by the bishops and priests/pastors.

    The celebration of the Eucharist may be included in weddings, funerals, retreats, the dedication of a church building and at annual synod conventions. The Mass is also an important aspect of ordinations and confirmations in Lutheran churches.

    Some Methodists, particularly High Church parishioners, use the term "Mass" the liturgical celebration of the Holy Eucharist. Their celebration differs from that of Catholic churches and consists of responsive readings from the liturgy, songs from the Methodist Hymnal, responsive hymns, cantoring, a homily, receiving the sacraments of the Holy Eucharist, and prayer. Methodist mass is usually celebrated, depending on the parish, weekly or monthly. It is also performed on holy days such as Maundy Thursday or Christmas Eve.[33] The receiving of the Holy Eucharist is open to anyone. In fact, Methodist ministers often use the liturgical saying, "Christ invites to His table all who earnestly repent of their sins and seek to live in peace with one another."



    I am very upset about Fukushima. I suspect deliberate infliction. I have a variety of reasons for saying this - but I prefer not to talk about it. I think the bad-guys might be on their way out - and that they are not going to go quietly. Even if we survive this wave of retribution - and experience a positive changing of the guard - we could still experience scuttling in absentia. I think we are in for some very difficult times. I don't think this transitional period has to be hard - but that it will be made hard by those who have absolutely no compassion. I so hope that I'm wrong.



    How should I proceed with the following list?

    1. The Teachings of Jesus.

    2. The U.S. Constitution.

    3. The Latin Mass.

    4. The Classical Sacred Music.

    5. A Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System.


    What if Representatives of the United States of the Solar System were required to memorize the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution? Would this be considered to be a religious test - or simply a mental exercise to prepare them to properly govern the solar system? I don't think the Teachings of Jesus or the U.S. Constitution are perfect - but I think they are very good - especially if one considers when they were written, and under what circumstances. They are sort of a line in the sand for me. Governance does involve some arbitrariness. Sometimes a decision is required - even if it makes no one happy. This five point list might be such a situation. I am trying to think about all of this by imagining that I am interacting with the Jesuit General aka Black Pope - on a daily basis - to implement these five points in an evolutionary (rather than a revolutionary) manner. I realize that this is an illusion of grandeur or self-aggrandizing arrogance perhaps - but it sure is fun! It's also very scary. I'm also trying to think about all of this by imagining that I am part of an up and running United States of the Solar System. This is rather hard to do - and I'm not sure exactly how to proceed. I'm trying not to get caught-up in the day to day political battles - but I'm also trying to think of solar system governance in down to earth terms - rather than being pie in the sky. I'd probably have that 90 square-foot apartment a couple of miles from the Vatican, and communicate with the Jesuit General via secure internet (if there is such a thing!). We might meet once a month for lunch, or something. I prefer thinking in these terms, rather than being angry all the time. Engaging in this sort of activity really might be quite boring and un-glamorous. It might be fun at first, but I think the novelty would soon wear off.

    In a Vatican-Based United States of the Solar System - how would one separate the religous from the political? Would one separate the religious from the political? I would think that there would be two branches of this hypothetical system - one religious and one political - with a Pope and a President. The Pope would preside over the contemporary application of the Teachings of Jesus - and the President would preside over the contemporary application of the U.S. Constitution. There would, of course, be some overlap. This is a very, very sticky subject. What if there were two nearly identical governments - one religious, and one political - both using the U.S. Constitution as the governmental modus operandi? What if there were 10,000 religious representatives, and 10,000 political representatives - with say 1,000 from each group actually attending daily sessions at the Vatican. The others would participate electronically from throughout the solar system. Once again, wouldn't this sort of thing make just about everyone in the solar system LIVID??? But don't stone me just yet. This is a test. This is only a test. Imagine a meeting place similar to the Audience Hall - just for fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WJP7gDKAo

    All of this helps to bring various governmental and religious issues to light - regardless of how solar system governance is presently structured - or how it will be structured in the future. Probably the St. Mary's Cathedral, Crystal Cathedral, or St. Ouen locations for the United States of the Solar System Capitol Building would be best. The modus operandi of the Vatican is probably not going to change very quickly - regardless of the brilliant transformative ideas of completely ignorant fools like me. The United States of the Solar System, on the other hand, would basically replace the Secret Government and the United Nations - rather than meddling with the Vatican. My thought is that the United States of the Solar System should not engage in trench-warfare with the Vatican. They should be on the same page - and cooperate with each other. This was really the Genesis of the Conceptual Vatican-Based United States of the Solar System. The church/state issues really have to be examined closely. Getting it wrong could be catastrophic - and could degenerate into a really nasty theocracy - which could be very difficult to undo. This conceptualization is really born of insecurity rather than a know-it-all attitude. I know very little - but I am trying to learn. I might discover, at some point, that everything is fine, and that top people have everything under control. That would be a relief. Is anyone taking any of this seriously? Why will no one talk to me? The water's warm! Come-on in! Don't just laugh at me, spy on me, or supernaturally attack me. I think too many people know way too much about me - and that there is a substantial invasion of privacy. You know what I'm talking about. I could say a lot more about this, but I would rather not do so at this point in time.

    Anyway, this is more of an attempt to change myself, than it is to change anyone else. I'm not stubbornly strutting into no-man's land, where angels fear to tread. I am simply trying to deal with all of the lies and problems in this solar system. I have no particular desire to wake people up, or to gain a following. I'm truly trying to understand what's really going on - and to help make positive changes which might be of benefit to everyone - including the Queen of Heaven / God of This World. But it's really hard to make substantial progress while continuing to fly-blind. Things are further complicated by my not trusting anyone (even myself) - so I'm rather paranoid - and I think someone might be out to get me - just on the basis of what I have posted on the internet. I should probably leave all of this alone - but I don't have a lot of confidence in the existing Powers That Be (human or otherwise). Just because someone has the ablity to rise to the top - doesn't mean that they belong at the top. Just because someone is non-productive - because they are completely disillusioned with everything - doesn't mean that they don't belong at the top. Just because someone knows how to throw their weight around - doesn't mean that they should - or that they should be richly rewarded for doing so. Just look at the history of the world. Just watch the news. Think about what I just said.

    Just as an afterthought - perhaps a Non-Vatican Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - headquartered at the bankrupt Crystal Cathedral - would be a most attractive option - at least as a place to begin. Here is an interesting segment featuring Robert A. Schuller (son of Robert H. Schuller). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws0GM67lK5g&NR=1 Using the Crystal Cathedral - which is quite the secularized contemporary cathedral - would avoid the church/state and antichrist issues which would be associated with using a deconsecrated Roman Catholic church. I have spent hundreds of hours on the campus of the Crystal Cathedral (a long time ago) - and I am mostly in harmony with it's basic message and goals (although I really haven't been able to put them into practice - despite my best efforts). I simply do not wish to kick sand in anyone's face - despite some of my irreverent internet posts. Once again - this thread is mostly my attempt to get everyone thinking - including myself. I don't really know what to do, or where to go, but I am sure there are those who would be happy to tell me where to go. What would Raven say? @#$%^*&$@^!!!!???



    As many of you know, the Crystal Cathedral continues to face serious financial problems, but I found an interesting editorial in the Huffington Post, written by one of my favorite preachers (Tony Campolo) - about one of my favorite preachers (Robert Schuller). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-campolo/stone-throwing-at-a-glass_b_834134.html

    As the news of the financial woes of the Crystal Cathedral is heralded across the country and around the world, a host of critical voices have been raised, at times condemning the cost of building the Crystal Cathedral and even raising serious concerns over the message of its former pastor, Dr. Robert Schuller.

    The most common attack has come from those who contend that the money spent on building the Crystal Cathedral was not justified. It has been said that the $20 million spent to construct the Crystal Cathedral would have been better spent on such missionary concerns as helping the poor and the oppressed of the world. Before considering the justification for that accusation, however, critics should consider the millions of people who have worshiped at the Crystal Cathedral, Sunday after Sunday, over the years. On a per capita basis, it can easily be proved that less money was spent on this building than has been spent by most congregations on their respective facilities. In most cases with other churches, the buildings are only used once a week, and these congregations can easily be accused of inefficient expenditures, given how seldom their facilities are employed for either religious services or community events.

    The Crystal Cathedral, in addition to the Sunday morning worship service, also houses one of the largest Hispanic congregations in America. Each Sunday thousands and thousands of Hispanic worshipers gather at the Crystal Cathedral for a special service in their own language. The church also has maintained an extensive ministry to Hispanic youth in its immediate neighborhood. Also, consider that the only Pakistani congregation that I know of in North America (there may be several others), finds a place at the Crystal Cathedral to come together for worship and to organize for Christian service.

    Recently, I went over the list of activities that are part of the ongoing ministries of the Crystal Cathedral. These include classes for those who are learning English as a second language, a host of counseling services and even programs that reach into Los Angeles with help for the homeless. The list of programs sponsored by the Crystal Cathedral is too long to list them all. Let's not forget that this church also supports one of the finest Christian schools in southern California, meeting a real need for quality Christian education.

    It is quite true that there has been great shrinkage in attendance at the Sunday morning worship services at the Crystal Cathedral. A sanctuary which was once packed with thousands each Sunday now only shows a few hundred at each of its two Sunday morning services, but there are sociological reasons for this decline. The Crystal Cathedral, located in Garden Grove, was once set in the midst of a middle class, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant community from which it received great support. This community has changed, however, and today Garden Grove is a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood. Consequently, the Crystal Cathedral has lost a large part of its congregation, not because Robert Schuller's message is irrelevant to the needs of people in today's society, but because, like many churches, the community that it once served has changed. The good news is that the Crystal Cathedral responded by embracing neighboring Hispanic people with an array of specialized, needed ministries. Sadly, those ministries have not provided much income -- certainly not enough to keep the Crystal Cathedral out of bankruptcy.

    The final criticism that must be addressed is the claim that the positive message of Robert Schuller belongs to another place and another time. At least that was the criticism leveled at his preaching by the well-known Evangelical magazine, Christianity Today. The criticism that Dr. Schuller's messages have been nothing more than a watered down versions of optimistic pop psychology, given that his major theme is what he calls "possibility thinking," is unfair. It might be said that a holistic Gospel requires more than the upbeat messages heard on the "Hour of Power, but any reading of Scripture will provide solid evidence to support what Robert Schuller preaches. He gives to his listeners a message of hope when, for many of them, all seems hopeless. He echoes the message of the Apostle Paul who, in 2 Corinthians 4:8-9, declares that with God's help, when we are crushed and beaten down by life's circumstances, we are not driven to despair. Even his most severe critics will have to admit that Dr. Schuller is biblically sound when he declares that there are still possibilities for good things to be created out of the desperate situations in which we find ourselves. Because of such a positive message, many who have been turned off by hellfire and damnation preaching have been turned on to God by the positive messages that Dr. Schuller preached from the pulpit of the Crystal Cathedral Sunday after Sunday. Robert Schuller affirms that there is a place for preachers who preach in ways that drive sinners to repentance, but he asks that all of us recognize that there is also a place for preachers who emphasize the affirmation and hope that can be had through Christ Jesus.

    Lastly, I want to say, in no uncertain terms, that while the Sunday morning congregation in Garden Grove's Crystal Cathedral may be relatively sparse these days and its financial situation has become severe, it cannot be denied that the "Hour of Power" television show still inspires those millions of people around the world who have made this program a major source of spiritual strength. It is a program that not only reaches those who live in western nations, but which is broadcast across the Middle East, where Muslim people, who seldom hear the good news of the Gospel, hear it from the Crystal Cathedral on a regular basis.

    I don't know whether the ministries of this church will survive. I know that Robert Schuller would like to walk away from all its problems and retire, as he justly deserves to do, but he feels that he cannot leave at this time of crisis. Whatever happens, it is my belief that one day, some day, Robert Schuller will hear applause from a pair of nail-pierced hands.


    I've probably said it several times - but here I go again - I think there is a high probability that we reincarnate over and over, back into human physicality - here in this solar system - and that this solar system might be where we have to make our bed, and sleep in it - whether we like it, or not. We might exist, by a thread, in a mostly hostile universe. I'm not expecting a rescue from the stars - complete with a mass evacuation of humanity to 'heaven'. I used to think that the faithful few would be saved by God and the Angels - and taken to Heaven - but that most of the human race would be exterminated because of unbelief, insubordination, and unbridled rebellion. I now think that we have been lied to about a lot of things - but that the truth might be very hard for us to hear and accept. I'm not even sure what that truth is - but it seems to involve an ancient and ongoing Civil War in Heaven and Earth - which might involve Interdimensional Reptilian Souls Incarnating into Mammalian/Reptilian Hybrid Bodies With Varying Mammal/Reptile Percentage Differentials. You know - the Hatfields vs the McCoys - or the 70% Mammal/30% Reptiles (male and female) vs the 30% Mammal/70% Reptiles (hermaphrodite). We might all be Fallen Angels (fallen into physicality, in pursuit of responsible freedom) and literally Born Into Sin by choosing to commit this Original and Unpardonable Sin. This thread is all about us not being enslaved or exterminated - by interdimensionals, terrestrials, or extraterrestrials. I sense that we are in a very grave situation - but I don't know the details. What if a Non-Corrupted, Non-Infiltrated, Non-Subverted 3D Male and Female Humanity is as good as it gets - anywhere in the universe??? Watch this 1994 Alex Collier interview, in light of this post (and this thread), but hurry - this video will be removed on April 29. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8316692185126189734# I'm still at the level of considering possibilities and probabilities. I don't know anything for certain. That's why I am merely posting on a small website to people who have mostly tired of listening to my incessant bullshit. Please forgive me for being unfriendly, aloof, ignorant, stubborn, egotistical, pompous, supercilious, irrelevant, irreverent, rebellious, repetitious, ball-kicking, back-stabbing, for having a messy house, for not being able to balance my checkbook, and for swearing to the point that my dog leaves the room, etc, etc, etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMUXUQpPdaE&NR=1&feature=fvwp Mea Culpa. Kyrie Eleison. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVEBBjETeZw
    US v US???

    This thread won't do much good - unless it is Agonized Over - long term. It is really a mental and spiritual gymnasium - and not for entertainment purposes. I think a lot of people need to do a lot of research - before they do much of anything else. We need to really digest the new information - and separate fact from fiction - and really let it settle in our souls - before we try to do anything dramatic. This whole thing is going to take a lot of time and a lot of pain. We shouldn't expect any quick and easy solutions.

    Unrelatedly, regarding a previous post which touched upon the Crystal Cathedral, if this became the Headquarters of the United States of the Solar System, the positive ministry might be continued, on a shoestring budget, by dressing up classic Schuller sermons, focusing on the principles and concepts, rather than on particular personalities, and simply have someone read them (using a teleprompter) in a theatrical manner reminiscent of Robert H. Schuller. The music could mostly involve the congregational singing of hymns, with the alternative verses and accompaniments used at the Crystal Cathedral throughout the years. I always thought these two aspects were the best parts of the services - so why not accentuate the positive? (I used to enjoy singing in the choir! I liked Mark a lot - but I liked Fred almost as much as the cat and the cat's meow! May La Force '64 be with you!) 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7g3af7Wvz4&feature=related&fmt=18 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX2E8JW60rw&NR=1&fmt=18 Most of the television presence might be replaced by an internet presence. If anyone is negotiating - include books, sermons, and rebroadcast rights in the talks! Someone, please talk to Dr. Schuller! Tell him that a friend of Bruce Larson sent you! Just kidding! Or am I?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJFMERQZlFo&feature=fvwrel The United States of the Solar System might use the cathedral, Monday through Friday - and then the cathedral part of the campus could be opened to the general public on the weekends. The best might be just ahead! 'Move Ahead With Possibility Thinking!' (one of Schuller's best books, by the way) Imagine 3,000 Representatives of the United States of the Solar System singing the hymns linked below - before making the important decisions which would affect everyone throughout the solar system. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO27RJniWKg&feature=related&fmt=18 This thought made me cry...

    One more thing. Consider reading through this entire thread - out-loud - using the speaking-style of Robert H. Schuller. You might be surprised at how well the two go together! Is this an accident? Or was it by design? I'll never tell...

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4ARnNlgAQ&feature=related&fmt=18
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce7OcEG0m0I&fmt=18
    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT7s49GeLMc&feature=related&fmt=18
    4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hibaSFTLMHE&feature=related&fmt=18
    5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5m48vG2q2E&feature=related&fmt=18
    6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLZmCrEa1xs&feature=related&fmt=18 (Research the origins of this hymn)
    7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzA2k1SiLJk&feature=related&fmt=18
    8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S8Zzs8O7Go&feature=related&fmt=18
    9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQrI2591joI&feature=related&fmt=18
    10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClXAPzkoKs&feature=related&fmt=18
    11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO27RJniWKg&feature=related&fmt=18


    Here's a bit of a lighter moment, regarding governance. I wasn't a fan of the Bush Administration - but I considered 'W' to be an errand person - rather than a mastermind. Senior was another matter. BTW - I don't endorse throwing shoes at Presidents - or anyone else, for that matter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAKdn2wd0UY&feature=fvwrel Now! If someone could get Ellie to read the Four Gospels on a series of You Tube videos - a whole lotta guys would suddenly become very Christ-Like - and the world would suddenly become a better place! Then, if I could convince her to read the contents of this thread on a series of You Tube videos - that would be one giant leap for solar system governance! If she did that - perhaps I could convince her to - never mind...



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    Has anyone seen 'Dogma'? Viewer discretion advised - for all of the usual reasons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUaudvlfGw8 WWJD? One of the actors reminds me of someone I know. Actually, two of the actors. Possibly three. Maybe even four. Wait! Now that I think about it - probably five or six. I kid you not. Really. Ignore the language, grossness, and violence. Listen very closely - and read between the lines - especially in light of what I've been saying on this thread - noticing especially the manner of speaking and acting by the actors and actresses. Listen closely to the words in this deleted scene. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qAqwIW704&feature=related Kevin Smith protests 'Dogma'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UDoIBgiUAQ&NR=1 BTW - one of the actresses in 'Legion' reminds me of someone I know quite well. I'd like to know who REALLY inspired 'Dogma' and 'Legion'. Finally - think about a Queen being hidden in a Male Body - with reference to the final scenes, and the last picture, below. This is an important post. You wouldn't believe who told me about 'Dogma'. Two individuals did - months or years ago - but I never watched it - until yesterday. You wouldn't believe who I told about 'Legion'. Nuff Said. Actually - Too Much Said. Over and Out.



    Does anyone have a clue what I'm talking about? Anyone at all? This thread is not as random and disjointed as it seems. It all ties together. Can anyone jump into the middle of this thread - and discuss the various particulars with me - and remain on-topic? This really isn't hard. I don't have a lot to say in 'real-life' - and I really don't have that much to say on the internet. I think I could get into some REALLY deep conversations - in the right setting - but I mostly have to entertain myself with that sort of thing. I hope this is character-building - or something efficacious - instead of being a complete waste of time. I'm really looking for some sort of rational resolution to the madness - and it just isn't happening. I'd really like to communicate with the individual (from anywhere in the universe - human or otherwise) who is the most knowledgable regarding what I have been talking about - and who would not engage in deception or manipulation of any kind. I just feel as though I am being watched, in a rather cold and condescending manner, by those who really don't like me one little bit. I think I was supposed to do something, and that I have failed to do it, but I don't have a clue what 'it' is. The wild-goose chase continues.

    How should I proceed with the following list?

    1. The Teachings of Jesus.

    2. The U.S. Constitution.

    3. The Latin Mass.

    4. The Classical Sacred Music.

    5. A Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System.


    Once again, I am really interested to see what emerges when throughtful people, carefully and prayerfully examine the possible integration of the components of this list. This is a suggested starting point - and not necessarily the ending point - with no further discussion. I frankly haven't gotten very far with this - but I'm trying. If someone focused upon this short list for five years - what would emerge? What would the various countries of the solar system think about such an arrangement? What would the various religions of the solar system think about such an arrangement? What would the various races of the solar system (human and otherwise) think of such an arrangement? Would a basically good idea become quickly corrupted by the same old individuals and factions? The whole world might go through a societal meltdown prior to anything like this actually being implemented. A Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System might take the better part of a century to implement. Who knows? Whatever happens - I'm sure that it will involve a HUGE amount of conflict and misunderstanding. Things are moving so quickly - and the gang of facts are quite brutal - so don't expect paradise too quickly. We might be lucky to simply survive this century. I will continue to be a mixture of incurable optimism and unyielding despair. Namaste.





    The First Shall Be Last and the Last Shall Be First.

    I have attempted to deal with the topic of solar system governance by pretending to be an insider - interacting with all aspects of the hypothetical Secret Government. I don't know where this will ultimately lead - but I doubt that it will end well - for me at least. I've imagined travelling throughout the solar system as an ambassador or coordinator of sorts - who is trying to transform the Secret Solar System Government into a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. I haven't had a clue how to proceed - and I have stepped on a lot of very sensitive toes - connected to feet which can kick one where it counts - swiftly and firmly. I have already experienced much more agony than ecstasy. The horror. I have interacted with those who have seemed to be 'out of this world' - even though I know that sounds corny. I have tried to stay 'on topic' just for the heck of it - and occasionally I even succeeded. This has been an experiment - and I seem to have ended-up right back where I started. Who knows - I might eventually end-up becoming a member of the Illuminati - or at least be (or continue to be) their worst enemy and best buddy!

    This thread has been a continuation of the 'United States of the Solar System' thread from Project Avalon 1 (RIP). I have been using the term 'Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System' more and more because it is so descriptive and concise. The U.S. seems to be in the doghouse - and it's not hard to understand why. But if the Secret Government rules the Visible Government - this may explain 90% of the problems. I just wish to keep conceptualizing Solar System Governance - from a wide variety of perspectives. Take a look at the original thread - and then tell me what you think. This is an ongoing research project - but mostly in my mind. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878

    I have really tried to hijack the Secret Government and the New World Order - rather than fighting it. I'm a United Nations Country Club Constitutionalist - rather than a Shotgun and Constitution in My Truck Constitutionalist. I have tried to get better acquainted with the Vatican, the United Nations, the City of London, and Washington D.C. I have also looked at a lot of the fringe material regarding the Underground Bases and the Secret Space Program - but I have pretended to be a non-corrupt member of the Illuminati - or even (as strange and delusional as it seems) imagined being a non-corrupt god or goddess (with a very small 'g') who is completely onboard with the U.S. Constitution and the Teachings of Jesus. This has been a very strange space to be in - and I don't recommend these mind-games to everyone. Don't try this at home kiddies!


    It's midnight. Do you know where your secret government is headquartered? Got cosmic clearance? Someone's knocking on my door. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiu-CEylTOM&feature=related It's a middle-aged man dressed in a three-piece suit. There's a black Suburban with multiple antennas parked in my driveway. My dog is barking furiously. My heart is pounding. I open the door slowly. 'Yes?', I stammer. I am greeted with a terse, 'orthodoxymoron I presume?' I nod affirmatively, as I ask 'Who are you? Why are you here?' The man responds by flashing an official looking badge, and formally stating, 'I am Agent Scranton with the NSA. You need to come with me. Your home and dog will be well cared for, but you must come with me now.' 'What the...' I am interrupted with a firm 'all of your questions will be answered in due time - but you must come with me immediately.' I reluctantly follow - shutting the door behind me - and climbing into the front seat of the still running Suburban.

    'What's going on? Where are we going?', I gasp - as we race down the fast lane of the interstate highway at 20 over the speed-limit. Scranton answers, 'a situation has arisen as a direct result of your internet posting. The Solar System Powers That Be have been instructed by the Galactic Powers That Be - in no uncertain terms - that fundamental changes must be made regarding the policies and activities in this solar system - and that they approve, in general, of your editorial bias, as expressed over the last couple of years on various web sites. They have specified that they want you to interact with the major players throughout the solar system - to bring about these changes - in an evolutionary, but not revolutionary, manner.' 'O My God!' I exclaim - as I sink lower and lower in the bucket-seat. 'What have I gotten myself into? I don't know what to say or do. I just posted random thoughts, and asked stupid questions, to try to figure out what's going on in this crazy world. Why me? How do I know that you're telling me the truth? How do I know that you're not just kidnapping me? How do I know that I'm not going to end up as food for the reptilians?' 'Look orthodoxymoron - this is serious! This world was slated for an extermination event, which has now been placed on hold - pending the success or failure of the reforming efforts.'

    'Exterminatus Interruptus?', I smirk. 'Get with the program wise-guy! Nobody likes you! Your house is a mess. Your life is a mess. You don't have a degree. You're not an insider. You're politically incorrect. You're just a smart-alec with no brains and no track record. The visible and legitmate government hates you. The secret government hates you. The Annunaki hate you. The reptilians and greys hate you. The church hates you. The Jesuits and Alphabet Agents hate you. Satan and Lucifer hate you. Jesus loves you - but everyone else thinks you're an @$$hole! You have no friends. Your co-workers hate you. Your family hates you. You even hate yourself - don't you? Everyone is furious with the strong-arm tactics of the Galactic Powers That Be - but there's not a damn thing they can do about it! The deliberately inflicted disasters in the Gulf of Mexico and in Fukushima were part of this fiasco. The Solar System Powers That Be have to cooperate with you - whether they like it or not!' Everyone thinks this is a sick joke. You have no support. You will fail. The New World Order, with a world human population of 500,000,000...is inevitable. You are simply prolonging the agony. You're not good enough for anyone. No Nobel Peace Prize for you. You should've written an Old Testamental Justification for Nuking Iran! Why don't you just give-up? Curse God - and commit suicide! To be, or not to be? That is the question.

    I count to ten, and calmly respond, 'OK...I'm going to need a helluva lot more evidence that what you are saying is really true. I don't trust anyone - not even myself. I think this might be some sort of a MILAB or a CIA mind-control experiment. You claim that 'everyone' hates me - well to be quite honest - I don't like you Scranton!' 'Like me or not - it's showtime pretty-boy - and you'd better watch your backside - because there are a lot of reptilians, greys, and humans who want to see you fail BIG TIME!' I take a deep breath - try to relax - and calmly whisper, 'Agent Scranton - if we can't even get along - how in the hell am I supposed to interact constructively with the PTB?' Scranton gives me a sideways look, and whispers back, 'You need to know your place. This thing is bigger than you can possibly imagine - and if you come on strong like 'Ghost Busters' - the system will eat you alive.' I sheepishly reply, 'I dreamed of a perfected humanity living in a perfected solar system. I had big ideas. But now that I am confronted with this - I'm not so sure any more. I don't know where to begin. By the way - where are we going?'

    'I'm driving you to a small airport about 5 minutes from here. There you will board a Navy helicopter, which will fly you to an undisclosed location. Everything is compartmentalized. No one knows what anyone else is doing, or where they're going. The system likes it that way. You'll see.' I query, 'Who should I watch-out for?' 'Lucifer.' 'Lucifer?' I'm shocked, and exclaim, 'I asked you a serious question - and now you're being a wise-guy with me!' Scranton has a poker-face, and responds, 'I am very, very serious. What they taught you in Sunday school is BS. Lucifer is the most beautiful woman you have ever seen in your life. She runs this solar system - and answers only to Satan.' 'Now wait a minute! This is ridiculous! I speculated about this sort of thing on the internet - but I didn't really believe it. You're jerking my chain - aren't you?' 'No. I am deadly serious - and I mean DEADLY serious. I'm giving you a heads-up, because you will need to be prepared for the worst. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned - and you have scorned the woman most closely connected with hell. Lucifer's IQ is 532. She has the equivalent of 87 PhD's. She is NOT the forgive and forget type. If you cross her - you're dead-meat - and you've crossed her BIG TIME!'

    'When will I have the privilege of meeting her majesty?' 'Soon. But first you must go through 'Galactic Boot Camp' to learn how to survive in the shadowy underworld. This will NOT be a pleasant experience!' I am perplexed, 'Why does this seem so militaristic and hostile? I feel as though I am entering into a Nazi realm of sorts!' 'You are. You will be very lucky to remain sane. Many who have tried to save the world by being knights in shining armor - are now heavily sedated in secret mental institutions.' I nervously blurt-out, 'I can hardly wait for the fun to begin! Fortunately - I'm already insane. I crossed that bridge a long time ago. But I have learned to function somewhat productively and safely - in a limited sort of way - in mainstream society.' Scranton is not amused. 'orthodoxymoron - this isn't funny! You haven't seen the dazed and hopeless expressions on the faces of these formerly brave and intelligent people - who are now reduced to rocking back and forth in the fetal position.' I sheepishly reply, 'Sorry. I'm just very nervous and apprehensive about all of this.' Scranton looks me straight in the eye, and says, 'Be afraid. Be very afraid.'

    I see a Navy Sea Stallion helicopter looming in the distance - with rotor spinning - waiting to devour me. My rendezvous with destiny is imminent. As we pull up alongside the helicopter - I turn to thank Agent Scranton for the ride - and I notice that his eyes have vertical slits instead of round pupils. I gasp slightly, and he notices my surprise, and laughingly shakes his head, saying 'you haven't seen anything yet! I'm just a 70% human/30% reptile hybrid - and I forgot to put my contacts in when I got the call to pick you up! Sorry about that! I still don't like you - but good-luck anyway!' My hand is shaking as I shake Scranton's hand - and I stumble and fall as I run toward the waiting helicopter. Is this the Helicopter to Hell?

    The pilot and co-pilot greet me, as I climb aboard the Sea Stallion helicopter. The door closes with a dull thud - and off we go, into the wild blue yonder! But something is wrong! This seems more like a spacecraft than a helicopter! The helicopter exterior was a hologram! Suddenly everything is dark - and I look out the window - and see thousands of very bright stars! Then I realize that I am onboard an antigravity craft! The co-pilot turns to me, saying, 'Welcome to Astra Airlines!' 'Oh My God!', I exclaim. 'Where the hell are we going?' 'We're just taking you to the International Space Station.' 'Just?!' 'What's going to happen there?' 'You'll find out soon enough. They don't tell us anything. We only know enough to do our jobs properly. Curiosity kills cats, careers - and sometimes it even kills people.'

    I suddenly feel light-headed and euphoric. I seem to be in sort of a waking dream-state. I seem to be experiencing a prophetic vision. I see a church in California...in my mind's eye...with a group of well-dressed and solemn people meeting with Lucifer (who is dressed in black with a long cape) and looks like a combination of Ra in Stargate and Anna in 'V', and is very cold and stoic. The subject is theology, governance...and transition of power. The conditions have finally been met...which require Lucifer to transfer control of the solar system to Michael/????/Horus/Jesus/???? and 10,000 human beings. Lucifer is furious...and is arrogantly hissing 'We had you fooled!' 'What took you so long!' 'We didn't think you could do it!' 'You got out of our grasp just in time!' 'If you only knew what we had planned for you!' 'OK...you can try to rule yourselves!' 'Good luck! You're going to need it!' 'If you only knew what we've been through because of you!' 'If you only knew what we've had to do to keep you alive!' 'We were good to you!' With that...Lucifer rises...struts out of the room...and into an elevator...which descends to an unkown sub-level...boards a waiting leviton train...travels to Pine Gap, Australia at twice the speed of sound...and boards a mothership...filled with hardcore followers (humans, reptilians, and greys)...destination - Sirius. The date: December 21, 2012.


    Regardless of my internet comments, I am very appreciative of all of the Powers That Be throughout history who have tried to do the right thing, regardless of their purity or corruption, and regardless of their success or failure. I am generally disrespectful and irreverent, but I mean no harm. My comments are not based upon any inside knowledge, so I am probably not even close to the real truth. I just want to stimulate everyone to think deeply in a sort of an esoteric masturbation of the mind.

    Once again - I just want to wish Satan, Lucifer, Gods, Goddesses, Angels, Demons, Archangels, Illuminati, Megalomaniacs, Reptilians, Greys, Top People with Top Clearances, et al - a terrific day. I really think we can work this thing out - without enslavement, extermination, Star Wars, or Masters of the Universe. Imagine 10,000 very competent humans engaging in Global and Solar System Governance - with advisors which might include all of the above. The absolute power corrupting thing seems to be the big problem.

    When I ask questions - especially regarding fringe topics which are especially controversial - I'm really asking 'Am I sane?' It drives me crazy when answers are not forthcoming. I really just want something in place which facilitates unity and freedom for all races - and which is based upon truth rather than lies. I'm only poking and prodding because things are so screwed-up, and because they seem to have been screwed-up for thousands of years. I fear that things will continue to be screwed-up for thousands of years - if we even survive.

    Should I continue to speculate regarding the possible Luciferian origins (or hijacking and twisting) of theology, mythology, architecture, sacred music, and sacred texts? Or should I just shut up? Have I more than made my point? Do I need to learn to know when to stop? Have I worn out my welcome? Even if I'm right - or even partially right - is this subject too hot to handle? Is it a threat to national security? Are all of us actors on a stage? Is Lucifer the script-writer and/or redacter? Has this been going on for a long, long time? Could this entire world be one big Colosseum Event - a Galactic Theater of the Universe? Is it time for WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH to close the curtain - and START WRITING OUR OWN SCRIPT? Just wondering. So - one more time - how should I proceed with the following list?

    1. The Teachings of Jesus.

    2. The U.S. Constitution.

    3. The Latin Mass.

    4. The Classical Sacred Music.

    5. A Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System.


    Solar System Without End - orthodoxymoron.


    Namaste to the People of the World. I Know in Whom I Have Believed. On Christ the Solid Rock I Stand. All Other Ground is Sinking Sand. Namaste to the Beings of the Universe.



    This is what happens when a demon becomes aroused and gets horny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qAqwIW704&feature=related



    Is the painting below, representative of how things have worked for thousands of years - right up to today? Who's lurking in the background (including the figures in the very back)? Think about it.



    When I speak of the the Roman Catholic Church as possibly being the Babylonian/Egyptian/Grecian/Roman Catholic Church - I am not trying to be mean or destructive. I am simply trying to understand something which might be unbelievably complex and upsetting. I think this phenomenon - whatever it's true nature - is a mixture of good and evil - triumph and tragedy - agony and ecstasy. We need to properly understand it - whatever it is - and then positively reinforce the best of the past - and march confidently into a Brave New Universe. But I think we need to take our time - and really get it right. Take everything I say with a sea of salt. I still think St. Peter's needs that 1875 Cavaille-Coll Designed Pipe-Organ. http://cdmnet.org/Julian/schemes/props/rome.htm Look at me - with all of my talk about the the Whore of Babylon and the Teachings of Jesus - suggesting a new pipe-organ for St. Peter's!! Once again - this is why I call myself 'orthodoxymoron'. I look forward to hearing the Italian equivalents of Widor, Vierne, Dupre, Cochereau, Roth, and Chauchefer-Choplin! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqbee8cRyw&feature=related Perhaps this project will be completed just in time for the enthronement of a Female Pope - who has just been elected by hundreds of millions of people throughout the solar system!!! Might we be on the verge of Experiencing the Resurrection of the Demythologized Jesus as Lord Within the Babylonian/Egyptian/Grecian/Roman Catholic Church in Modernity???!!! What Would Schillebeeckx and Bultmann Say???!!! WWJD???!!! 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPk_-ix38_Q 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKv07xDxBXQ


    St. Peter's, Vatican City
    Cavaillé-Coll's proposal 1875
    Mutin's proposal 1910

    For many years Cavaillé-Coll cherished the hope that he might build a great west-end organ for St. Peter's Basilica, Vatican City. "With the organ at St. Peter's I shall crown my career", he is reported to have said. He drew up a stoplist in 1875, and made a model of the proposed organ in 1887 (above). Here is the 1875 scheme:

    I GRAND-ORGUE
    Jeux de Fonds:
    16 Montre front
    16 Bourdon
    8 Montre
    8 Diapason
    8 Flûte Harmonique
    8 Viole de Gambe
    8 Bourdon
    8 Dulciana
    5 1/3 Grosse Quinte
    4 Prestant
    4 Octave
    4 Flûte
    Jeux de Combinaison:
    2 2/3 Quinte
    2 Doublette
    IV Grande Fourniture
    V Grosse Cymbale
    III Fourniture
    IV Cymbale
    16 Basson
    8 Trompette Harmonique
    8 Basson
    4 Clairon

    I GRAND-CHOEUR
    Jeux de Fonds:
    16 Basse Acoustique
    16 Grosse Flûte Harmonique
    8 Diapason
    8 Violoncelle
    8 Flûte Harmonique
    8 Unda Maris (tc)
    4 Prestant
    4 Flûte Octaviante
    2 Octavin
    Jeux de Combinaison:
    V Grand Cornet (8ft.)
    III Sesquialtera (8ft.)
    16 Tuba Magna
    8 Tuba Mirabilis
    5 1/3 Quinte Trompete
    4 Clairon
    2 Clairon Doublette

    II BOMBARDE
    Jeux de Fonds:
    16 Principale Basse
    16 Quintatön
    8 Flûte Harmonique
    8 Flûte Conique
    8 Kéraulophone
    8 Bourdon
    4 Grosse Flûte
    4 Octave
    Jeux de Combinaison:
    3 1/5 Grosse Tierce
    2 2/3 Nazard
    2 2/7 Septième
    2 Octavin
    V Grosse Cornet (16ft.)
    16 Bombarde
    8 Trompette
    4 Clairon

    III POSITIF
    Jeux de Fonds:
    16 Violon Basse
    8 Bourdon
    8 Diapason
    8 Flûte Traversière
    8 Cor de Nuit
    8 Salicional
    8 Voix Angélique
    4 Flûte Douce
    4 Dulciana
    Jeux de Combinaison:
    2 2/3 Quinte
    2 Doublette
    V Plein Jeu (8ft.)
    16 Cor d'Harmonie
    8 Trompette Harmonique
    8 Cromorne
    8 Basson et Hautbois

    IV RÉCIT-EXPRESSIF
    Jeux de Fonds:
    16 Bourdon
    16 Corni Dolci
    8 Flûte Harmonique
    8 Flûte à Pavillon
    8 Viole de Gambe
    8 Voix Céleste
    4 Dulciana
    4 Flûte Octaviante
    Jeux de Combinaison:
    4 Octave
    2 Flageolet
    V Cornet (8ft.)
    8 Musette
    8 Voix Humaine
    16 Basson
    8 Trompette Harmonique
    4 Clairon Harmonique
    Tremolo

    V SOLO EXPRESSIF
    Jeux de Fonds:
    16 Soubasse
    16 Flûte Conique
    8 Diapason
    8 Flûte Traversière Harmonique
    8 Quintatön
    4 Flûte Octaviante
    Jeux de Combinaison:
    2 2/3 Nazard
    2 Doublette
    1 3/5 Tierce
    1 1/3 Larigot
    1 1/7 Septième
    1 Piccolo
    16 Cor Anglais
    8 Clarinette
    8 Trompette Harmonique
    4 Violon Harmonique
    Tremolo

    PÉDALE
    Jeux de Fonds:
    32 Principale Basse
    32 Montre
    32 Gros Bourdon
    32 Basse Acoustique
    16 Grosse Flûte
    16 Contre-Basse
    16 Violon-Basse
    16 Soubasse
    10 2/3 Grosse Quinte
    8 Grosse Flûte
    8 Diapason
    8 Violoncelle
    8 Bourdon
    Jeux de Combinaison:
    6 2/5 Grand Tierce
    5 1/3 Grosse Quinte
    4 4/7 Septième
    4 Octave
    32 Contre Bombarde
    16 Bombarde
    10 2/3 Quinte Bombarde
    8 Trompette
    4 Clairon

    Compasses: 61/30.

    R. Meyrick-Roberts, writing at length about the scheme in 'The Organ' quarterly, January 1925, commented:

    "One of the first things that the reader observes in regard to the distribution of sounding stops, is that the stops for each department were very definitely calculated and apportioned; no department received its number of stops in any haphazard manner; so we find (proportionately) a very equal number in the various departments; 22 being allotted to the first division of the great organ, and 22 to the pedal organ; the second division of the great organ - the grand choeur - has 16, and a similar number (16) to each of the remaining departments. The great and grand choeur combined form a complete great of 38 sounding stops played from the first clavier.
    ...
    "In the bombarde department the mutation ranks (each drawing separately) are gross tierce 3 1/5ft., quint 2 2/3ft. and seventh 2 2/7ft.; forming with the fifteenth a IV-rank mixture. In the solo department we find these same ranks repeated, but an octave higher in pitch. All through the various departments of the organ the stops have been apportioned out with an almost mathematical exactness of division and disposition, both in regard to the relative size of one department to another, and the number of stops of various pitches in each department. The scheme is a notable specimen of the art of scientific and architectural tonal-building.
    ...
    "The first four departments stand on open soundboards, and are in all respects tonally complete organs, differing but in degrees of power; and when gradually built up and the various divisions are added and coupled to each other - by means of the ventils and the couplers - make possible a crescendo of more or less one tonal quality, - from a small "full organ" effect to an overwhelming full organ; or a similar crescendo (or diminuendo) of foundation stops only. Or, if needs be, of reeds and chorus work only. The possibilties of such a design as this under consideration are immense... The stops of the first four manual departments, together with the pedal (but exculding the unda maris and vox angelica) form a total of nearly ninety speaking stops on unenclosed soundboards, the combined ensemble forming practically a manual department of sixty-eight stops and a pedal of twenty-two stops. How superb the idea!"

    If we compare this scheme with those of Cavaillé-Coll's large organs at Notre-Dame and St. Sulpice, Paris, we find perceptible differences of emphasis. At 86 stops, Notre-Dame (1863-68) was considerably smaller than the Rome proposal, and therefore more tightly-knit. Its choruses coalesced even more closely:

    BOMBARDE GRAND GRAND PEDALE
    ORGUE CHOEUR
    32
    16 16 16
    16 16 16
    10 2/3
    8
    8
    8 8 8 8
    8 8 8 8
    6 2/5
    5 1/3 5 1/3
    4 4/7
    4
    4 4 4 4
    3 1/5
    2 2/3 2 2/3
    2 2/7
    2 2 2
    1 3/5
    1 1/3
    1 1/7
    1
    II
    IV
    II
    V IV
    32
    16 16 16 16
    16
    8 8 8 8
    8
    4 4 4 4

    The organ at St. Sulpice (1857-62), though larger than Notre-Dame, had a less rigorously architectural stoplist; there was a greater proportion of unison colour, and a greater number of small choruses and effects. The Rome stoplist marries the virtues of each approach.

    In an article in 'The Organ' quarterly, April 1956, W.L. Sumner recounted Cavaillé-Coll's unsuccessful attempts to bring his plans to fruition. Cavaillé-Coll had built an acclaimed organ in the American College, Rome, in 1868, and Pope Pius IX had been interested in his organ at the 1869 Vatican Exhibition of Religious Art. But it seems that the Chapter of St. Peter's pleaded financial hardship; Pope Pius wistfully remarked "Suspendimus organa nostra". Despite repeated petitions, Cavaillé-Coll died in 1899 without his dream being realised.

    Under the pontificate of Pius X, interest in the sceme was revived. Charles Mutin, successor to Cavaillé-Coll, prepared a revised stoplist, and in Paris a committee was formed to raise money for the organ. But public interest was slight, and the project was once more abandoned.

    Here is Mutin's 1910 stoplist. The Grand-Choeur department has gone, its stops incorporated into the Bombarde and Solo divisions; there are some late-romantic trimmings - the Récit strings, the 64ft. pedal stop, the additional battery of tubas - as well as more upperwork throughout. Jean Huré pointed out (in 'The Organ' quarterly, April 1926) that the 4ft. Violon Harmonique register on Cavaillé-Coll's Solo and Mutin's Positif was a reed stop, and that "When used with a gentle tremolo it is often mistaken for orchestral violins. Anyone that has heard the reeds of Cavaillé-Coll will not be surprised at this miracle".

    I GRAND-ORGUE
    16 Montre
    16 Gambe
    16 Bourdon
    10 2/3 Quinte
    8 Montre
    8 Diapason
    8 Flûte Harmonique
    8 Viole de Gambe
    8 Bourdon
    8 Dulciana
    5 1/3 Grosse Quinte
    4 Prestant
    4 Octave
    4 Flûte Octaviante
    2 2/3 Quinte
    2 Doublette
    1 3/5 Tierce
    IV Grosse Fourniture
    V Grosse Cymbale
    III Fourniture
    IV Cymbale
    16 Bombarde
    16 Basson
    8 Trompette Harmonique
    8 Basson
    4 Clairon
    4 Soprano

    II BOMBARDE
    16 Principal Basse
    16 Quintatön
    8 Jubal
    8 Flûte Harmonique
    8 Flûte Conique
    8 Keraulophone
    8 Bourdon
    5 1/3 Grosse Quinte
    4 Grosse Flûte
    4 Principal
    4 Violon
    3 1/5 Tierce
    2 2/3 Quinte
    2 2/7 Septième
    2 Octavin
    1 3/5 Tierce
    1 Piccolo Harmonique
    V Grosse Cornet (16ft.)
    V Plein Jeu
    16 Tuba Magna
    8 Tuba Mirabilis
    5 1/3 Trompette Quinte
    4 Clairon
    2 Clairon Doublette

    III POSITIF EXPRESSIF
    16 Violone Basse
    16 Bourdon
    8 Diapason
    8 Flûte Traversière
    8 Cor de Nuit
    8 Salicional
    8 Viola
    8 Voix Angélique (tc)
    4 Principal
    4 Flûte Douce
    2 2/3 Nasard
    2 Flageolet
    III Carillon
    V Cornet (8ft.)
    V Plein Jeu
    16 Cor d'Harmonie
    8 Trompette Harmonique
    8 Cromorne
    8 Basson-Hautbois
    4 Violon Harmonique

    IV RÉCIT EXPRESSIF
    16 Gambe
    16 Bourdon
    8 Diapason
    8 Flûte Harmonique
    8 Flûte à Pavillon
    8 Bourdon
    8 Viole de Gambe 1
    8 Viole de Gambe 2
    8 Voix Célestes 1 (tc)
    8 Voix Célestes 2 (tc)
    5 1/3 Quinte
    4 Prestant
    4 Flûte Octaviante
    4 Viole d'Amour
    4 Éoline
    3 1/5 Grosse Tierce
    2 2/3 Nazard
    2 2/7 Septième
    2 Octavin
    1 3/5 Tierce
    1 1/3 Larigot
    1 1/7 Septeième
    1 Piccolo
    V Cornet (16ft.)
    VII Plein Jeu
    16 Clarinette
    8 Clarinette
    8 Voix Humaine
    8 Musette (4ft.?)
    16 Bombarde
    8 Trompette Harmonique
    5 1/3 Quinte Trompette
    4 Clairon Harmonique
    2 Clairon Doublette

    V SOLO
    16 Soubasse
    16 Flûte Conique
    8 Diapason
    8 Flûte Traversière
    8 Quintaton
    8 Viola di Gamba
    4 Violon
    4 Flûte Octaviante
    2 2/3 Nazard
    2 Doublette
    1 3/5 Tierce
    1 1/3 Nazard
    1 1/7 Septième
    1 Piccolo
    16 Cor Anglais
    8 Cor Harmonique
    8 Trompette Harmonique
    4 Clairon Harmonique
    en chamade:
    16 Tuba Magna
    8 Tuba Mirabilis
    5 1/3 Quinte Trompette
    4 Cor Harmonique

    PÉDALE
    32 Basse Acoustique
    32 Principal Basse
    32 Montre
    16 Grosse Flûte
    16 Contre Basse
    16 Violon Basse
    16 Soubasse
    10 2/3 Grosse Quinte
    8 Grosse Flûte
    8 Diapason
    8 Violoncelle
    8 Bourdon
    6 2/5 Grande Tierce
    5 1/3 Grosse Quinte
    4 4/7 Septième
    4 Octave
    4 Viole
    4 Flûte
    3 1/5 Tierce
    2 2/3 Quinte
    32 Contre Bombarde
    16 Bombarde
    10 2/3 Quinte Bombarde
    8 Trompette
    5 1/3 Quintonet
    4 Clairon

    Boutons de combinaisons (94), pedales de combinaisons (21).
    Compass: 61/30.
    No extension or borrowing throughout.
    10,603 pipes.

    SOURCES

    Cavaillé-Coll's stoplist: 'Aristide Cavaille-Coll : ses origines - sa vie - ses oeuvres' by Cécile and Emmanuel Cavaillé-Coll (1929, Paris)
    Mutin's stoplist: 'The Organ' quarterly, April 1956.
    General information in 'Basilical Organs of Rome' by Graziano Fronzuto, in 'The Organ Club Journal', May 2000.

    The Holy Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ according to Mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGf-KgGh_g&NR=1

    35 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire. 36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you? 37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit , one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. 38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask. Can ye drink of the cup that I drink of, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? 39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized. 40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared. 41 And when the ten heard it, they began to be much displeased with James and John. 42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. 43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: 44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. 45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. -- Mark 10:35-45 KJV

    The Gospel of the Lord.

    THE time of the Passover was drawing near, and again Jesus turned toward Jerusalem. In His heart was the peace of perfect oneness with the Father's will, and with eager steps He pressed on toward the place of sacrifice. But a sense of mystery, of doubt and fear, fell upon the disciples. The Saviour "went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid." Again Christ called the twelve about Him, and with greater definiteness than ever before, He opened to them His betrayal and sufferings. "Behold," He said, "we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For He shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: and they shall scourge Him, and put Him to death: and the third day He shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Had they not just before proclaimed everywhere, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand"? Had not Christ Himself promised that many should sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God? Had He not promised to all who had left aught for His sake a hundredfold in this life, and a part in His kingdom? And had He not given to the twelve the special promise of positions of high honor in His kingdom,--to sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel? Even now He had said that all things written in the prophets concerning Him should be fulfilled. And had not the prophets foretold the glory of the Messiah's reign? In the light of these thoughts, His words in regard to betrayal, persecution, and death seemed vague and shadowy. Whatever difficulties might intervene, they believed that the kingdom was soon to be established.

    John, the son of Zebedee, had been one of the first two disciples who had followed Jesus. He and his brother James had been among the first group who had left all for His service. Gladly they had forsaken home and friends that they might be with Him; they had walked and talked with Him; they had been with Him in the privacy of the home, and in the public assemblies. He had quieted their fears, delivered them from danger, relieved their sufferings, comforted their grief, and with patience and tenderness had taught them, till their hearts seemed linked with His, and in the ardor of their love they longed to be nearest to Him in His kingdom. At every possible opportunity, John took his place next the Saviour, and James longed to be honored with as close connection with Him. Their mother was a follower of Christ, and had ministered to Him freely of her substance. With a mother's love and ambition for her sons, she coveted for them the most honored place in the new kingdom. For this she encouraged them to make request. Together the mother and her sons came to Jesus, asking that He would grant a petition on which their hearts were set. "What would ye that I should do for you?" He questioned. The mother answered, "Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on Thy right hand, and the other on the left, in Thy kingdom." Jesus bears tenderly with them, not rebuking their selfishness in seeking preference above their brethren. He reads their hearts, He knows the depth of their attachment to Him. Their love is not a mere human affection; though defiled by the earthliness of its human channel, it is an outflowing from the fountain of His own redeeming love. He will not rebuke, but deepen and purify. He said, "Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?" They recall His mysterious words, pointing to trial and suffering, yet answer confidently, "We are able." They would count it highest honor to prove their loyalty by sharing all that is to befall their Lord. "Ye shall drink indeed of My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with," He said; before Him a cross instead of a throne, two malefactors His companions at His right hand and His left. John and James were to share with their Master in suffering; the one, first of the brethren to perish with the sword; the other, longest of all to endure toil, and reproach, and persecution. But to sit on My right hand, and on My left," He continued, "is not Mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of My Father." In the kingdom of God, position is not gained through favoritism. It is not earned, nor is it received through an arbitrary bestowal. It is the result of character. The crown and the throne are the tokens of a condition attained; they are the tokens of self-conquest through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Long afterward, when the disciple had been brought into sympathy with Christ through the fellowship of His sufferings, the Lord revealed to John what is the condition of nearness in His kingdom. "To him that overcometh," Christ said, "will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne." "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of My God, . . . and I will write upon him My new name." Rev. 3:21, 12. So Paul the apostle wrote, "I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, shall give me at that day." 2 Tim. 4:6-8. The one who stands nearest to Christ will be he who on earth has drunk most deeply of the spirit of His self-sacrificing love,--love that "vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, . . . seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil" (1 Cor. 13:4, 5),--love that moves the disciple, as it moved our Lord, to give all, to live and labor and sacrifice, even unto death, for the saving of humanity. This spirit was made manifest in the life of Paul. He said, "For to me to live is Christ;" for his life revealed Christ to men; "and to die is gain,"--gain to Christ; death itself would make manifest the power of His grace, and gather souls to Him. "Christ shall be magnified in my body," he said, "whether it be by life or by death." Phil. 1:21, 20. When the ten heard of the request of James and John, they were much displeased. The highest place in the kingdom was just what every one of them was seeking for himself, and they were angry that the two disciples had gained a seeming advantage over them. Again the strife as to which should be greatest seemed about to be renewed, when Jesus, calling them to Him, said to the indignant disciples, "Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you."

    In the kingdoms of the world, position meant self-aggrandizement. The people were supposed to exist for the benefit of the ruling classes. Influence, wealth, education, were so many means of gaining control of the masses for the use of the leaders. The higher classes were to think, decide, enjoy, and rule; the lower were to obey and serve. Religion, like all things else, was a matter of authority. The people were expected to believe and practice as their superiors directed. The right of man as man, to think and act for himself, was wholly unrecognized. Christ was establishing a kingdom on different principles. He called men, not to authority, but to service, the strong to bear the infirmities of the weak. Power, position, talent, education, placed their possessor under the greater obligation to serve his fellows. To even the lowliest of Christ's disciples it is said, "All things are for your sakes." 2 Cor. 4:15. "The Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give His life a ransom for many." Among His disciples Christ was in every sense a caretaker, a burden bearer. He shared their poverty, He practiced self-denial on their account, He went before them to smooth the more difficult places, and soon He would consummate His work on earth by laying down His life. The principle on which Christ acted is to actuate the members of the church which is His body. The plan and ground of salvation is love. In the kingdom of Christ those are greatest who follow the example He has given, and act as shepherds of His flock.

    The words of Paul reveal the true dignity and honor of the Christian life: "Though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all," "not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved." 1 Cor. 9:19; 10:33. In matters of conscience the soul must be left untrammeled. No one is to control another's mind, to judge for another, or to prescribe his duty. God gives to every soul freedom to think, and to follow his own convictions. "Every one of us shall give account of himself to God." No one has a right to merge his own individuality in that of another. In all matters where principle is involved, "let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." Rom. 14:12, 5. In Christ's kingdom there is no lordly oppression, no compulsion of manner. The angels of heaven do not come to the earth to rule, and to exact homage, but as messengers of mercy, to co-operate with men in uplifting humanity. The principles and the very words of the Saviour's teaching, in their divine beauty, dwelt in the memory of the beloved disciple. To his latest days the burden of John's testimony to the churches was, "This is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another." "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because He laid down His life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren." 1 John 3:11, 16. This was the spirit that pervaded the early church. After the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, "the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that aught of the things which he possessed was his own." "Neither was there any among them that lacked." "And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all." Acts 4:32, 34, 33. -- Chapter 60 of Desire of Ages by Ellen White
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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:45 pm

    Consider 'Original Sin'. I have made some speculation that Interdimensional Reptilian Souls somehow created Male and Female Human Physical Bodies, and Incarnated Into Them - in rebellion against a Reptilian Theocracy - and that Michael/Horus/Jesus was deeply involved in this Original and Unpardonable Sin - possibly 600,000 years ago - which started the 600,000 year Gaian/Orion Star War in Heaven - which is in cold war mode presently. Those souls who chose to incarnate into human bodies were possibly considered to be Fallen Angels - and were literally Born Into Sin - generation after generation. The roles of Michael and Lucifer in Heaven - and the Rebellion and War in Heaven - are intriguing. I think there is rampant confusion regarding who did what. I distrust history - because it all hinges on the editorial biases of the writers. I think speculation is a legitimate pursuit - as long as it is clearly identified as being such. Obviously, this is wild speculation, as is most of my internet posting - but I really do try to engage in honest truth-seeking. I don't just make things up for the hell of it. What do you think about all of the above? Obviously, they are not going to teach a lot of esoteric subjects in Sunday School - and they probably shouldn't. But I think Original Sin and the Substitutionary Atonement are important, interrelated, and interesting topics, which might have sci-fi aspects beyond our wildest imaginations. Getting deeply into all of this is not for the weak or timid. Deriving pleasure from pain should probably be a prerequisite for researchers who wish to waste away their lives in pursuit of the Holy Grail of Human Origins and the Origins of Theology. I've got a pre-paid room waiting for me at the local nut-house. This sort of research can be destabilizing - so be careful. It's not for everyone. Perhaps I should visit that Reptilian Monastery, 10 miles beneath Vatican City (just joking) to further my understanding of this subject! You New Agers should not neglect theology, just because the church is full of lies - and as corrupt as hell. Sorry - but that's how I feel - right or wrong. Somewhat unrelatedly - perhaps I should think of the Roman Catholic Church as being the Sirian/Atlantean/Babylonian/Egyptian/Grecian/Roman Catholic Church - and that this organization has been ruled by Lucifer - rather than Michael - for thousands and thousands of years. More well-intentioned speculation - believe it or not. Theology seems to be inevitably negative, controversial, and political. This music seems to be appropriate for grappling with theological and political issues - spanning thousands of years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4cLwXKG7Kw&NR=1 The following is from 'The Catholic Encyclopedia'. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

    Original sin may be taken to mean: (1) the sin that Adam committed; (2) a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.

    From the earliest times the latter sense of the word was more common, as may be seen by St. Augustine's statement: "the deliberate sin of the first man is the cause of original sin" (De nupt. et concup., II, xxvi, 43). It is the hereditary stain that is dealt with here. As to the sin of Adam we have not to examine the circumstances in which it was committed nor make the exegesis of the third chapter of Genesis.

    Theodorus of Mopsuestia opened this controversy by denying that the sin of Adam was the origin of death. (See the "Excerpta Theodori", by Marius Mercator; cf. Smith, "A Dictionary of Christian Biography", IV, 942.) Celestius, a friend of Pelagius, was the first in the West to hold these propositions, borrowed from Theodorus: "Adam was to die in every hypothesis, whether he sinned or did not sin. His sin injured himself only and not the human race" (Mercator, "Liber Subnotationem", preface). This, the first position held by the Pelagians, was also the first point condemned at Carthage (Denzinger, "Enchiridion", no 101-old no. 65). Against this fundamental error Catholics cited especially Romans 5:12, where Adam is shown as transmitting death with sin.

    After some time the Pelagians admitted the transmission of death — this being more easily understood as we see that parents transmit to their children hereditary diseases — but they still violently attacked the transmission of sin (St. Augustine, "Contra duas epist. Pelag.", IV, iv, 6). And when St. Paul speaks of the transmission of sin they understood by this the transmission of death. This was their second position, condemned by the Council of Orange [Denz., n. 175 (145)], and again later on with the first by the Council of Trent [Sess. V, can. ii; Denz., n. 789 (671)]. To take the word sin to mean death was an evident falsification of the text, so the Pelagians soon abandoned the interpretation and admitted that Adam caused sin in us. They did not, however, understand by sin the hereditary stain contracted at our birth, but the sin that adults commit in imitation of Adam. This was their third position, to which is opposed the definition of Trent that sin is transmitted to all by generation (propagatione), not by imitation [Denz., n. 790 (672)]. Moreover, in the following canon are cited the words of the Council of Carthage, in which there is question of a sin contracted by generation and effaced by generation [Denz., n. 102 (66)].

    The leaders of the Reformation admitted the dogma of original sin, but at present there are many Protestants imbued with Socinian doctrines whose theory is a revival of Pelagianism.

    The classical text is Romans 5:12 sqq. In the preceding part the apostle treats of justification by Jesus Christ, and to put in evidence the fact of His being the one Saviour, he contrasts with this Divine Head of mankind the human head who caused its ruin. The question of original sin, therefore, comes in only incidentally. St. Paul supposes the idea that the faithful have of it from his oral instructions, and he speaks of it to make them understand the work of Redemption. This explains the brevity of the development and the obscurity of some verses.

    We shall now show what, in the text, is opposed to the three Pelagian positions:

    (1) The sin of Adam has injured the human race at least in the sense that it has introduced death — "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men". Here there is question of physical death. First, the literal meaning of the word ought to be presumed unless there be some reason to the contrary. Second, there is an allusion in this verse to a passage in the Book of Wisdom in which, as may be seen from the context, there is question of physical death. Wisdom 2:24: "But by the envy of the devil death came into the world". Cf. Genesis 2:17; 3:3, 19; and another parallel passage in St. Paul himself, 1 Corinthians 15:21: "For by a man came death and by a man the resurrection of the dead". Here there can be question only of physical death, since it is opposed to corporal resurrection, which is the subject of the whole chapter.

    (2) Adam by his fault transmitted to us not only death but also sin, "for as by the disobedience of one man many [i.e., all men] were made sinners" (Romans 5:19). How then could the Pelagians, and at a later period Zwingli, say that St. Paul speaks only of the transmission of physical death? If according to them we must read death where the Apostle wrote sin, we should also read that the disobedience of Adam has made us mortal where the Apostle writes that it has made us sinners. But the word sinner has never meant mortal, nor has sin ever meant death. Also in verse 12, which corresponds to verse 19, we see that by one man two things have been brought on all men, sin and death, the one being the consequence of the other and therefore not identical with it.

    (3) Since Adam transmits death to his children by way of generation when he begets them mortal, it is by generation also that he transmits to them sin, for the Apostle presents these two effects as produced at the same time and by the same causality. The explanation of the Pelagians differs from that of St. Paul. According to them the child who receives mortality at his birth receives sin from Adam only at a later period when he knows the sin of the first man and is inclined to imitate it. The causality of Adam as regards mortality would, therefore, be completely different from his causality as regards sin. Moreover, this supposed influence of the bad example of Adam is almost chimerical; even the faithful when they sin do not sin on account of Adam's bad example, a fortiori infidels who are completely ignorant of the history of the first man. And yet all men are, by the influence of Adam, sinners and condemned (Romans 5:18, 19). The influence of Adam cannot, therefore, be the influence of his bad example which we imitate (Augustine, "Contra julian.", VI, xxiv, 75).

    On this account, several recent Protestants have thus modified the Pelagian explanation: "Even without being aware of it all men imitate Adam inasmuch as they merit death as the punishment of their own sins just as Adam merited it as the punishment for his sin." This is going farther and farther from the text of St. Paul. Adam would be no more than the term of a comparison, he would no longer have any influence or causality as regards original sin or death. Moreover, the Apostle did not affirm that all men, in imitation of Adam, are mortal on account of their actual sins; since children who die before coming to the use of reason have never committed such sins; but he expressly affirms the contrary in the fourteenth verse: "But death reigned", not only over those who imitated Adam, but "even over them also who have not sinned after the similitude of the transgression of Adam." Adam's sin, therefore, is the sole cause of death for the entire human race. Moreover, we can discern no natural connexion between any sin and death. In order that a determined sin entail death there is need of a positive law, but before the Law of Moses there was no positive law of God appointing death as a punishment except the law given to Adam (Genesis 2:17). It is, therefore, his disobedience only that could have merited and brought it into the world (Romans 5:13, 14).

    These Protestant writers lay much stress on the last words of the twelfth verse. We know that several of the Latin Fathers understood the words "in whom all have sinned", to mean, all have sinned in Adam. This interpretation would be an extra proof of the thesis of original sin, but it is not necessary. Modern exegesis, as well as the Greek Fathers, prefer to translate "and so death passed upon all men because all have sinned". We accept this second translation which shows us death as an effect of sin. But of what sin? "The personal sins of each one", answer our adversaries, "this is the natural sense of the words 'all have sinned.'" It would be the natural sense if the context was not absolutely opposed to it. The words "all have sinned" of the twelfth verse, which are obscure on account of their brevity, are thus developed in the nineteenth verse: "for as by the disobedience of one man many were made sinners." There is no question here of personal sins, differing in species and number, committed by each one during his life, but of one first sin which was enough to transmit equally to all men a state of sin and the title of sinners. Similarly in the twelfth verse the words "all have sinned" must mean, "all have participated in the sin of Adam", "all have contracted its stain". This interpretation too removes the seeming contradiction between the twelfth verse, "all have sinned", and the fourteenth, "who have not sinned", for in the former there is question of original sin, in the latter of personal sin. Those who say that in both cases there is question of personal sin are unable to reconcile these two verses.

    On account of a superficial resemblance between the doctrine of original sin and the Manichaean theory of our nature being evil, the Pelagians accused the Catholics and St. Augustine of Manichaeism. For the accusation and its answer see "Contra duas epist. Pelag.", I, II, 4; V, 10; III, IX, 25; IV, III. In our own times this charge has been reiterated by several critics and historians of dogma who have been influenced by the fact that before his conversion St. Augustine was a Manichaean. They do not identify Manichaeism with the doctrine of original sin, but they say that St. Augustine, with the remains of his former Manichaean prejudices, created the doctrine of original sin unknown before his time.

    It is not true that the doctrine of original sin does not appear in the works of the pre-Augustinian Fathers. On the contrary, their testimony is found in special works on the subject. Nor can it be said, as Harnack maintains, that St. Augustine himself acknowledges the absence of this doctrine in the writings of the Fathers. St. Augustine invokes the testimony of eleven Fathers, Greek as well as Latin (Contra Jul., II, x, 33). Baseless also is the assertion that before St. Augustine this doctrine was unknown to the Jews and to the Christians; as we have already shown, it was taught by St. Paul. It is found in the fourth Book of Esdras, a work written by a Jew in the first century after Christ and widely read by the Christians. This book represents Adam as the author of the fall of the human race (vii, 48), as having transmitted to all his posterity the permanent infirmity, the malignity, the bad seed of sin (iii, 21, 22; iv, 30). Protestants themselves admit the doctrine of original sin in this book and others of the same period (see Sanday, "The International Critical Commentary: Romans", 134, 137; Hastings, "A Dictionary of the Bible", I, 841). It is therefore impossible to make St. Augustine, who is of a much later date, the inventor of original sin.

    That this doctrine existed in Christian tradition before St. Augustine's time is shown by the practice of the Church in the baptism of children. The Pelagians held that baptism was given to children, not to remit their sin, but to make them better, to give them supernatural life, to make them adoptive sons of God, and heirs to the Kingdom of Heaven (see St. Augustine, Of Sin and Merit I.18). The Catholics answered by citing the Nicene Creed, "Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum". They reproached the Pelagians with introducing two baptisms, one for adults to remit sins, the other for children with no such purpose. Catholics argued, too, from the ceremonies of baptism, which suppose the child to be under the power of evil, i.e., exorcisms, abjuration of Satan made by the sponsor in the name of the child [Augustine, loc. cit., xxxiv, 63; Denz., n. 140 (96)].

    We do not pretend to prove the existence of original sin by arguments from reason only. St. Thomas makes use of a philosophical proof which proves the existence rather of some kind of decadence than of sin, and he considers his proof as probable only, satis probabiliter probari potest (Contra Gent., IV, lii). Many Protestants and Jansenists and some Catholics hold the doctrine of original sin to be necessary in philosophy, and the only means of solving the problem of the existence of evil. This is exaggerated and impossible to prove. It suffices to show that human reason has no serious objection against this doctrine which is founded on Revelation. The objections of Rationalists usually spring from a false concept of our dogma. They attack either the transmission of a sin or the idea of an injury inflicted on his race by the first man, of a decadence of the human race. Here we shall answer only the second category of objections, the others will be considered under a later head (VII).

    (1) The law of progress is opposed to the hypothesis of a decadence. Yes, if the progress was necessarily continuous, but history proves the contrary. The line representing progress has its ups and downs, there are periods of decadence and of retrogression, and such was the period, Revelation tells us, that followed the first sin. The human race, however, began to rise again little by little, for neither intelligence nor free will had been destroyed by original sin and, consequently, there still remained the possibility of material progress, whilst in the spiritual order God did not abandon man, to whom He had promised redemption. This theory of decadence has no connexion with our Revelation. The Bible, on the contrary, shows us even spiritual progress in the people it treats of: the vocation of Abraham, the law of Moses, the mission of the Prophets, the coming of the Messias, a revelation which becomes clearer and clearer, ending in the Gospel, its diffusion amongst all nations, its fruits of holiness, and the progress of the Church.

    (2) It is unjust, says another objection, that from the sin of one man should result the decadence of the whole human race. This would have weight if we took this decadence in the same sense that Luther took it, i.e. human reason incapable of understanding even moral truths, free will destroyed, the very substance of man changed into evil.

    But according to Catholic theology man has not lost his natural faculties: by the sin of Adam he has been deprived only of the Divine gifts to which his nature had no strict right, the complete mastery of his passions, exemption from death, sanctifying grace, the vision of God in the next life. The Creator, whose gifts were not due to the human race, had the right to bestow them on such conditions as He wished and to make their conservation depend on the fidelity of the head of the family. A prince can confer a hereditary dignity on condition that the recipient remains loyal, and that, in case of his rebelling, this dignity shall be taken from him and, in consequence, from his descendants. It is not, however, intelligible that the prince, on account of a fault committed by a father, should order the hands and feet of all the descendants of the guilty man to be cut off immediately after their birth. This comparison represents the doctrine of Luther which we in no way defend. The doctrine of the Church supposes no sensible or afflictive punishment in the next world for children who die with nothing but original sin on their souls, but only the privation of the sight of God [Denz., n. 1526 (1389)].

    This is a difficult point and many systems have been invented to explain it: it will suffice to give the theological explanation now commonly received. Original sin is the privation of sanctifying grace in consequence of the sin of Adam. This solution, which is that of St. Thomas, goes back to St. Anselm and even to the traditions of the early Church, as we see by the declaration of the Second Council of Orange (A.D. 529): one man has transmitted to the whole human race not only the death of the body, which is the punishment of sin, but even sin itself, which is the death of the soul [Denz., n. 175 (145)]. As death is the privation of the principle of life, the death of the soul is the privation of sanctifying grace which according to all theologians is the principle of supernatural life. Therefore, if original sin is "the death of the soul", it is the privation of sanctifying grace.

    The Council of Trent, although it did not make this solution obligatory by a definition, regarded it with favour and authorized its use (cf. Pallavicini, "Istoria del Concilio di Trento", vii-ix). Original sin is described not only as the death of the soul (Sess. V, can. ii), but as a "privation of justice that each child contracts at its conception" (Sess. VI, cap. iii). But the Council calls "justice" what we call sanctifying grace (Sess. VI), and as each child should have had personally his own justice so now after the fall he suffers his own privation of justice.

    We may add an argument based on the principle of St. Augustine already cited, "the deliberate sin of the first man is the cause of original sin". This principle is developed by St. Anselm: "the sin of Adam was one thing but the sin of children at their birth is quite another, the former was the cause, the latter is the effect" (De conceptu virginali, xxvi). In a child original sin is distinct from the fault of Adam, it is one of its effects. But which of these effects is it? We shall examine the several effects of Adam's fault and reject those which cannot be original sin:

    (1) Death and Suffering.- These are purely physical evils and cannot be called sin. Moreover St. Paul, and after him the councils, regarded death and original sin as two distinct things transmitted by Adam.

    (2) Concupiscence.- This rebellion of the lower appetite transmitted to us by Adam is an occasion of sin and in that sense comes nearer to moral evil. However, the occasion of a fault is not necessarily a fault, and whilst original sin is effaced by baptism concupiscence still remains in the person baptized; therefore original sin and concupiscence cannot be one and the same thing, as was held by the early Protestants (see Council of Trent, Sess. V, can. v).

    (3) The absence of sanctifying grace in the new-born child is also an effect of the first sin, for Adam, having received holiness and justice from God, lost it not only for himself but also for us (loc. cit., can. ii). If he has lost it for us we were to have received it from him at our birth with the other prerogatives of our race. Therefore the absence of sanctifying grace in a child is a real privation, it is the want of something that should have been in him according to the Divine plan. If this favour is not merely something physical but is something in the moral order, if it is holiness, its privation may be called a sin. But sanctifying grace is holiness and is so called by the Council of Trent, because holiness consists in union with God, and grace unites us intimately with God. Moral goodness consists in this, that our action is according to the moral law, but grace is a deification, as the Fathers say, a perfect conformity with God who is the first rule of all morality. (See GRACE.) Sanctifying grace therefore enters into the moral order, not as an act that passes but as a permanent tendency which exists even when the subject who possesses it does not act; it is a turning towards God, conversio ad Deum. Consequently the privation of this grace, even without any other act, would be a stain, a moral deformity, a turning away from God, aversio a Deo, and this character is not found in any other effect of the fault of Adam. This privation, therefore, is the hereditary stain.

    "There can be no sin that is not voluntary, the learned and the ignorant admit this evident truth", writes St. Augustine (De vera relig., xiv, 27). The Church has condemned the opposite solution given by Baius [prop. xlvi, xlvii, in Denz., n. 1046 (926)]. Original sin is not an act but, as already explained, a state, a permanent privation, and this can be voluntary indirectly — just as a drunken man is deprived of his reason and incapable of using his liberty, yet it is by his free fault that he is in this state and hence his drunkenness, his privation of reason is voluntary and can be imputed to him.

    But how can original sin be even indirectly voluntary for a child that has never used its personal free will? Certain Protestants hold that a child on coming to the use of reason will consent to its original sin; but in reality no one ever thought of giving this consent. Besides, even before the use of reason, sin is already in the soul, according to the data of Tradition regarding the baptism of children and the sin contracted by generation. Some theosophists and spiritists admit the pre-existence of souls that have sinned in a former life which they now forget; but apart from the absurdity of this metempsychosis, it contradicts the doctrine of original sin, it substitutes a number of particular sins for the one sin of a common father transmitting sin and death to all (cf. Romans 5:12 sqq.). The whole Christian religion, says St. Augustine, may be summed up in the intervention of two men, the one to ruin us, the other to save us (Of Sin and Merit I.24). The right solution is to be sought in the free will of Adam in his sin, and this free will was ours: "we were all in Adam", says St. Ambrose, cited by St. Augustine (Opus imperf., IV, civ). St. Basil attributes to us the act of the first man: "Because we did not fast (when Adam ate the forbidden fruit) we have been turned out of the garden of Paradise" (Hom. i de jejun., iv). Earlier still is the testimony of St. Irenæus; "In the person of the first Adam we offend God, disobeying His precept" (Haeres., V, xvi, 3).

    St. Thomas thus explains this moral unity of our will with the will of Adam.

    "An individual can be considered either as an individual or as part of a whole, a member of a society . . . . Considered in the second way an act can be his although he has not done it himself, nor has it been done by his free will but by the rest of the society or by its head, the nation being considered as doing what the prince does. For a society is considered as a single man of whom the individuals are the different members (St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 12). Thus the multitude of men who receive their human nature from Adam is to be considered as a single community or rather as a single body . . . . If the man, whose privation of original justice is due to Adam, is considered as a private person, this privation is not his 'fault', for a fault is essentially voluntary. If, however, we consider him as a member of the family of Adam, as if all men were only one man, then his privation partakes of the nature of sin on account of its voluntary origin, which is the actual sin of Adam" (De Malo, iv, 1).

    It is this law of solidarity, admitted by common sentiment, which attributes to children a part of the shame resulting from the father's crime. It is not a personal crime, objected the Pelagians. "No", answered St. Augustine, " but it is paternal crime" (Op. imperf., I, cxlviii). Being a distinct person I am not strictly responsible for the crime of another; the act is not mine. Yet, as a member of the human family, I am supposed to have acted with its head who represented it with regard to the conservation or the loss of grace. I am, therefore, responsible for my privation of grace, taking responsibility in the largest sense of the word. This, however, is enough to make the state of privation of grace in a certain degree voluntary, and, therefore, "without absurdity it may be said to be voluntary" (St. Augustine, "Retract.", I, xiii).

    Thus the principal difficulties of non-believers against the transmission of sin are answered.

    "Free will is essentially incommunicable." Physically, yes; morally, no; the will of the father being considered as that of his children.

    "It is unjust to make us responsible for an act committed before our birth." Strictly responsible, yes; responsible in a wide sense of the word, no; the crime of a father brands his yet unborn children with shame, and entails upon them a share of his own responsibility.

    "Your dogma makes us strictly responsible for the fault of Adam." That is a misconception of our doctrine. Our dogma does not attribute to the children of Adam any properly so-called responsibility for the act of their father, nor do we say that original sin is voluntary in the strict sense of the word. It is true that, considered as "a moral deformity", "a separation from God", as "the death of the soul", original sin is a real sin which deprives the soul of sanctifying grace. It has the same claim to be a sin as has habitual sin, which is the state in which an adult is placed by a grave and personal fault, the "stain" which St. Thomas defines as "the privation of grace" (I-II:109:7; III:87:2, ad 3), and it is from this point of view that baptism, putting an end to the privation of grace, "takes away all that is really and properly sin", for concupiscence which remains "is not really and properly sin", although its transmission was equally voluntary (Council of Trent, Sess. V, can. v.). Considered precisely as voluntary, original sin is only the shadow of sin properly so-called. According to St. Thomas (In II Sent., dist. xxv, Q. i, a. 2, ad 2um), it is not called sin in the same sense, but only in an analogous sense.

    Several theologians of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, neglecting the importance of the privation of grace in the explanation of original sin, and explaining it only by the participation we are supposed to have in the act of Adam, exaggerate this participation. They exaggerate the idea of voluntary in original sin, thinking that it is the only way to explain how it is a sin properly so-called. Their opinion, differing from that of St. Thomas, gave rise to uncalled-for and insoluble difficulties. At present it is altogether abandoned.

    This is uninvited meddling on my part - but it is intended to be constructive rather than destructive. The theory is that the hypothetical Sirian/Atlantean/Babylonian/Egyptian/Grecian/Roman Catholic Church has been ruled by the so-called 'Whore of Babylon' (African/Reptilian/Hybrid-Hermaphrodite Queen of Heaven and God of This World?) for many thousands of years - with Reincarnational Michael/Adam/Horus/Moses/Multiple-Pharoah/Jesus/Michelangelo/????? being the Deposed Persona Non Grata, Original and Unpardonable Sinner - horrifically hanging on crosses in thousands of churches throughout the world. I seek a changing of the guard - while positively-reinforcing the best of the past - and moving boldly into the future with a Minimalist Solar System Theocracy/Democracy based solidly on Responsibility, the Teachings of Jesus, and the U.S. Constitution. The Architecture of the Churches, Cathedrals, and State-Houses harmonizes with the Sacred Classical Music. This is quite the tangled-web I am weaving. The assumption is that The New World Order = The Old World Order = The Kingdom of God = The Roman Catholic Church. And that this has existed for thousands of years - rather than being something which the Patriots and Protestants have to battle to keep from being implemented - and that the Anti-Christ (or In Place of Christ) has ruled the world for thousands of years. Do I sound like a religious nut? Well I Am!!!!! But I am not a Human-Woman Hating, Bigoted, Chauvanist, Patriarchal-Pig. I think women are superior to men - which is why I think there should be a Woman Pope. Once again, all of this is merely unsubstantiated speculation on a small and isolated website - which should be taken with a sea of salt. Imagine debating someone like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qAqwIW704&feature=related Or how about having a theological discussion with someone like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_1old1orj0&feature=related I need to stop, drop, and roll a joint...

    lindabaker wrote:I so so agree with the idea of letting go of the crucified bloody specter. My daughter had never seen a catholic crucifix before she was 12 or so. We walked into a hispanic church school and the body on the cross was at least three times life sized, with blood dripping, and the body was almost naked. My daughter almost fainted and she said it was porn. Then, she said, why do these women want to trust men who wear dresses? Twelve she was.

    Thank-you Linda. That was a classic comment! I think the Catholics have simply followed the orders of the one ruling the planet. I don't think the Pope, the Black Pope, and the College of Cardinals really run the church. They simply follow orders, and do the best they can, under the circumstances. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quAHxyD3KLc The church is sort of a Grim Business. If you have the time and courage - consider reading 1. 'The God's of Eden' - by William Bramley. 2. 'Rule by Secrecy' - by Jim Marrs. 3. 'Behold a Pale Horse' - by Bill Cooper. 4. 'The Great Controversy' - by Ellen White. 5. 'The Keys of This Blood' - by Malachi Martin. Then, rewatch the old 1994, 1995, 1996 Alex Collier videos. Finally, rewatch as many Jordan Maxwell videos as you can find. I don't necessarily endorse everything said in these books and videos - but the composite picture which emerges is quite startling - to say the least. I'm still in denial, regarding a lot of it. I can only take so much. Here's some comic relief. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BEZaPN8gUY What really troubles me, is whether the ruler of this world is just a renegade angel, or whether they are just following orders (or at least receiving authorization to make life miserable for humanity). My attempted responsibility regarding solar system governance - and regarding learning what's really going on in the universe - is really making me less responsible in day to day living. This is one reason why I am very wary about 'waking people up'. There's a right and a wrong way to do this sort of thing. Or perhaps there really is no right way to do this. Perhaps the present internet infowar is one of the better ways to do this. But it sure is an angry mess, isn't it?

    What is my agenda? I'm sure that I have one - but I'm not sure exactly what it is. Everyone has an angle - right? People get used - don't they? Who's agenda do I support - whether I realize it, or not? I don't think I'm pure - but I'm not sure of the ways in which I might be corrupted. A lot of individuals and groups want a New World Order - but each group thinks THEY will be in charge of it. Probably ALL of these individuals and groups are being used, and are merely pawns. So how do I fit into all of this madness? I have repeatedly said that I don't even trust myself - and I don't particularly like myself. I KNOW that I am supernaturally attacked 24/7 - BIG TIME - but how many of these bastards are getting through to me - and are actually influencing me? So what should I do? I am committed to just keep doing what I'm doing - with no surprises. Perhaps I am trying to influence ALL individuals and factions - whether they are good or evil - human or otherwise. Who knows? The Shadow? The Shadow Government? I'm sure they know more about me than I'll EVER know about myself. I've been told that I am stepping on my own toes - and I don't doubt that. In a sense - I really don't care if I shoot myself down. I like the idea of focusing upon principles and concepts - which are ageless - and which are not identified with any particular individual. I continue to say that I don't know what the hell I'm doing - and I mean it. But what if I were a Reptilian Queen in Antiquity?! What if I have spoken with someone who REALLY was Cleopatra?? I need to stop - and smoke another joint! (Just kidding. I've never smoked anything in my life.) So what should I do? Shut-up? Drop-dead? Go to hell? Does anyone else have a suggestion? Perhaps doing what I'm presently doing is as good as it gets - and as good as it will ever get - for me. One more thing. I have a dream. I Dream of Jeannie (with a polka-dot bikini) - a really Phoxy Pleiadian Pussycat from Pleione. Sometimes I dream about two Babes from Hades (named Agony and Ecstasy). Perhaps I simply need to refine what I'm doing - and clean up my act. Just a thought. Oh No!!! Oh Yes!!! I'm sooo hurt and confused!!!



    The following images really bother me. The topic 'earth2100' is supposed to be futuristic and idealistic - but look at the damn images! Are they trying to tell us something?



    A lot of people object to the business and corporate aspects of the church. I don't. What I object to is corruption and the non-compassionate use of accumulated wealth. I guess what I am trying to work toward is a Christ-Like Minimalist Corporate Constitutional Democratic Representative Republic Solar System Theocracy!!!!!! Confused? I am! I am not I AM. I am easily confused - but I still want this solar system to be properly run. Period. Here's the view from the USSS NAMASTE. Notice the 'Five Wise' and the 'Council of Seven'. Don't be frightened. She's got the whole world in her hands...



    I think this 1994 Alex Collier Interview might have a helluva lot of hidden information and meaning. I don't take this interview at face value. I think it might contain valid information in a fictional context. Try various combinations of the information. Watch it again, in light of this thread, and in light of all of your research. I think this might be quite important - especially in light of what has happened since 1994 (such as 9/11). Please tell me what you think. Please think. Do you think? Come-on! Think!!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8316692185126189734#



    eleni posted this on AV1 - and I thought it quite interesting. Check out this cool-looking site: www.bibleufo.com. I will continue to maintain that we shouldn't go to sleep in the churches - but that we shouldn't stray too far from them, either. I like the idea of continually imagining what an ideal theology and church would be like. This is a valid idea - whether one attends church or not. I used to - I don't presently - but I might do so in the future. Church shouldn't be required - but it should always be available - seven days a week. Anyway - here is the repost from AV1. Enjoy.

    Finally, in a recent round of exchanges with several informants, some of them new ones, we asked them the following question. What are we dealing with here? The extant literature mentions humanoids, grays, reptilians and other kinds of life forms. Which of these are the Anunnaki? And what do they look like? Their answers were quite enlightening. “Let’s start out by saying that we are definitely dealing with biological entities, not altogether more complex than us, except that their cellular electrical capacitance is much higher than ours, which makes them an energetic envelope of much higher bioelectric potential than us. When you are in the presence of one of them, you can feel their presence as if you could cut it with a knife. A very definite force of what could best be described as intention emanates from them” (Eight 2005, 2006). “They are very large, very tall biological specimens, no doubt of that. They can also be best described as looking almost like albinos – white, almost milky white skin, with a sort of sweat or beads of water evident on their skin, like a film – about seven or eight feet in height, very white hair – not gray white, but kind of snow white. Like white wool – yes, kinky white hair, some of them wear it shoulder length, others short, almost close cropped. But you can tell it is kinky. Oh, eyes are red, when you catch them inside in low light and they are not wearing dark, almost black contact-like lenses, but different from ours. They always travel in pairs, so if you see one of them, the other is not too far away. This is true of the kisam. Haven’t had the chance of meeting the others [those who went to the original late ‘70s meeting, ostensibly coming from the home planet] so I can’t tell you what they’re like. [I] Imagine they look the same. But you can tell more about them from their presence” (Eleven 2006). It is interesting to note that C. L. Turnage, author of a series of provocative books on the connection between the Bible, Planet X and the Anunnaki (Turnage 2000, 1997, 1996) had also described an encounter with one of them, in which she described them in nearly identical terms (Turnage, personal communication to the senior author, 1997).3 And an entirely similar description of the Anunnaki can also be found in Patrick Cooke’s controversial but well thought out arguments on his website www.bibleufo.com.


    I think it would be cool to live in a non-militaristic underground base - which might be the intergalactic diplomatic center for this solar system. A 90 square-foot room with a Cray would be more than enough for me! I'd probably only come out for meals - or when invited to do so. I'd probably mostly just keep doing what I'm doing right now! My second choice would be to hang-out in an Underground Reptilian Monastery! The Vatican doesn't seem to want me! I can't imagine why not! Was it something I said? Maybe I'll just have to build a 90 square-foot shallow underground civilian base with a Cray - under my house - if nobody will give me the time of day - let alone access to the nerve-center of the universe. Damn ingrates...


    A COUPLE OF EARLY FAILED ATTEMPTS AT INTERGALACTIC DIPLOMACY

    What are we going to do with all of the really nasty weaponry in this solar system? Is there any way to properly control it? Do we really need this weaponry to keep each other safe? Do we need to defend ourselves from the rest of the universe? Should we just leave everything in God's Hands? Has this attitude gotten us into one helluva lot of trouble? Who REALLY controls all of the REALLY nasty weaponry? What would happen if all of this weaponry were used simultaneously? Has this sort of thing been contemplated? I mean planned? I'm deadly serious. I had my eyes opened as a mere child, when I read 'When War Comes' (1972). Obviously, this is a seriously dated book - but it should still be read by everyone. I like the idea of never using any of this bullshit on each other - but I also like the idea of defending the human race against enslavement and extermination by who knows whom?! I do not like the idea of intergalactic conquest. If any of you start a WMD War - it might not end until the solar system is one big goddamn asteroid belt - exactly 93.57 minutes after the commencement of hostilities. My current theory is that most of the WMD's and UFO's are controlled by a Secret Government - which might not be Human. If this has been the case - I hope that it no longer is. But are Regressive Non-Humans more responsible than Progressive Humans? How do we properly defuse the madness in this solar system? Would a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System make this solar system a safer place for All Concerned? Damned if I know. What would Dr. Strangelove say?



    This is a bit repetitious - but consider reading 'The Keys of This Blood', 'The Federalist Papers', and 'The Desire of Ages' while listening to Latin Masses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE and Sacred Classical Music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdLCcQixNvg&playnext=1&list=PLEFB725C82BC4D2A1 I may be mad - but at least I have a method. Remember - this is only a conceptual experiment. This thread is a solar system governance laboratory, with a mad social scientist, and no budget. I don't mean to make everyone think like I do - but I do desire a non-corrupt solar system governance core - which will facilitate responsible political and religious freedom throughout the solar system. When the center holds - other things can be safely varied. If the center fails - then everything goes to hell. Politics, Religion, and Solar System Governance MUST be properly addressed - or we are screwed. We might be anyway - but at least we have a fighting chance if we get these three things right.

    How should I proceed with the following list?

    1. The Teachings of Jesus.

    2. The U.S. Constitution.

    3. The Latin Mass.

    4. The Classical Sacred Music.

    5. A Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System.




    investigator wrote:What do ya think of my tinfoil theory bud? Okkkk..... Here it is! What if those pet crocodiles are reincarnated Draco Reptilians or fallen angels that wanted to reform their ways? And them being a pet for humans is a science experiment to learn love and get along with humans in the rest of the universe? An experiment to end the galactic wars?
    Siriusly - what is the true nature of the souls of the mammals, reptiles, etc? Do they have souls? If so - how do they differ from our souls? How does a Drac Soul differ from a Human Soul? I don't think they're trying to reform themselves. I think they're trying to take over! Phobos Today! The Solar System Tomorrow!



    investigator wrote:But shouldn't a truly free responsible system of global governance, exclude religious favoritism? I'm more of a fan of "The Earth Confederation" or something like that, without any religious connotations. A system of governance where everyone has access to free energy, photographic memory, all of their abilities, the very finest in alternative medicine, and complete respect for free-will. I don't like the word federation, and prefer confederation, because confederation respects free-will more imho. If we were still a confederation, we could just be like "Hey Illuminati we are sick of you guys printing up a gazillion dollars, the stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we are leaving the union, switching to gold and silver, joining the Agartha Network, and switching to free energy. Peace out!" Not a big fan of the Vatican myself though, even the good guys in the Vatican, cause they are like "You are going to hell if you don't believe as I do" and I know that to not be true. Hehehe I dunno about the pet crocodiles though man, maybe it's possible, because maybe those crocodiles really can feel love. I'm not sure.


    A confederation is an association of sovereign member states that, by treaty, have delegated certain of their competences (or powers) to common institutions, in order to coordinate their policies in a number of areas, without constituting a new state on top of the member states. Under international law a confederation respects the sovereignty of its members and its constituting treaty can only be changed by unanimous agreement.

    By definition the difference between a confederation and a federation is that the many memberships of the member states in a confederation are voluntary, while the membership in a federation is not.[A confederation is most likely to feature these differences over a federation:

    * (1) No real direct powers: many confederal decisions are externalised by member-state legislation.
    * (2) Decisions on day-to-day matters are not taken by simple majority but by special majorities or even by consensus or unanimity (veto for every member).
    * (3) Changes of the constitution, usually a treaty, require unanimity
    Thank-you investigator. I appreciate your concerns. I wish to maximize religious and political freedom for everyone - including Satanists and Communists! But it is necessary to properly deal with BOTH politics and religion - as it relates to Solar System Governance. If this is done properly - then other things can be done freely and responsibly - including your idealistic ideas. Politics is a special case of religion. Religion is a special case of politics. One should not be pitted against the other. There should be a minimalist integration at the solar system governance level. But this is different than a state church. The Vatican is a huge part of the problem - and potentially a huge part of the solution. I worry about who has REALLY controlled the Vatican for nearly 2,000 years. I seek a changing of the guard - along with reforms in liturgy, theology, and governance. Positively reinforcing the best of the past is probably the best way to pave the way for all of the great ideas, like yours. The center might have to be somewhat traditional, so as to facilitate continuity and stability. I prefer evolutionary change over revolutionary change. This is a complex subject, and I fear that many will burn out while trying to figure it out. Conflicting Idealistic Concepts could potentially scuttle evolutionary progress. I will re-read your post several times, to make sure that I completely understand it. Thanks again for your interest in solar system governance. I'm sure that eventually, things will work out well for all concerned. This is only the beginning. The best is yet to come! Namaste.

    I can always tell when I'm on target, when my computer starts running really slowly, and the fan sounds like a 757 preparing for takeoff. Today, it's been so bad, that I almost called 'checkmate'...



    I remain a follower of Jesus - but I am presently reevaluating and reconsidering everything. I'll take a look at the book you mentioned. Gerald Massey and Ralph Ellis are interesting sources of alternative views of Jesus and the Bible. Gotta go! The Reptilians are Coming! Even Jesus is preparing for the Reptilian Invasion. Better stock-up on Orgone. Better Dead Than Rep. http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/ What is the true nature of the soul? What if it is Interdimensional Reptilian in nature - for Reptilians, Greys, Dracs, Hybrids - and Humans? I don't know - but I just have to keep stirring things up. My theory is that we should consider ALL possibilities - no matter how ridiculous they might seem. I will just keep being sort of a smart-alec regarding what could potentially be very serious and dangerous. Some of this is so sad, that it's funny.



    I don't usually listen to Alex Jones - but today's show should be interesting, regarding the birth-certificate thing. I continue to have mixed-feelings about President Obama. I've been mostly silent about him. I continue to think that the Secret Government really calls the shots - but how obedient is this President? Who knows? I don't trust anyone or anything anymore. I think 'THEY' have something on EVERYONE - which can be used to manipulate or destroy whoever 'THEY' are dealing with. The guilty can be made to look innocent - and the innocent can be made to look guilty. The general public can be easily led around by the hooks in their noses. I tend to be emotional and gullible - and I have to really work at being a critical thinker. I'm still seeking a happy-medium in this regard. I like President Obama - but he always seems to have a 'vacant' look to him. I really worry about what politicians are subjected to, regarding mind-control, blackmail, threats, bribes, and even supernatural harrassment and control - which could potentially involve 'perfect-possession'. What do we really know about hybridization, walk-ins, soul-scalping, soul-transference, etc, etc, etc? I am very fearful regarding all manner of advanced technology and ancient 'wisdom'. I keep thinking that we live in a VERY creepy and dangerous world. I don't envy President Obama one little bit. I just wish we could really rationally discuss all of the madness, without being nasty with each other. We don't seem to be very civilized. Are we barbarians - or are we reptilians? Which is worse? How should we attempt to shine the light on this present darkness? I've made some suggestions on this thread - but what the hell do I know???



    I just wanted to reinforce that I intend this thread as a mental and spiritual gymnasium - rather than being any sort of exclusive claim to 'the truth'. I am also not trying to set myself up as some sort of a guru of the absurd. I'm not sure why I said that - but it sounds sort of cool! I wish to focus upon sound principles and concepts - rather than focusing on personalities. I just want this solar system to get it's act together - regardless of who or what is involved in accomplishing this. I'm not happy with myself at all. I am very uncomfortable with my life and with current events. I am not a happy camper at all. I continue to ask all of you to study this thread in it's entirety. I'm not claiming that it is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - but that it might lead you toward the truth - in ways that very few other sources can, at this point in time. This is just sort of like an all-night brainstorming session in front of the fireplace. I purposely use off the wall images and comments to provide contextual contrasts which help to stimulate unconventional thinking. I use humor to try to deal with some VERY dark subjects. I think we are in VERY serious trouble, and that we somehow have to retain a sense of humor. I continue to hate no one - but I distrust everyone - including myself. I am truly an honest softball-player in a dishonest hardball-world. I need to somehow get tougher, quicker, and craftier - while continuing to be honest and idealistic. I need to be wise as a serpent, and harmless as a dove - but perhaps I need to strike once in a while - and inject some venom into the infowar! What am I saying? Shame on me!



    How might a group of Renegade Jesuits combine this short-list into a single volume - complete with Latin and King James English? I'm sorry for being so repetitious - but I'm really trying to give myself spiritual-resuscitation. I am not speaking from a lofty mountain. I'm trying to climb back up - from the bottom of a cliff! Perhaps if there were 52 Latin Masses which incorporated everything on the list - including model homilies - this would be highly instructive. Then the Bretheren might try it out in that Underground Reptilian Monastery I keep talking about! The Reptilians would have to sign-off on it - wouldn't they??!! What Would Lord Draco Say? I would be interested to visit a church which used the Latin Mass (as is - at first) - but without crucifixes, wafers, fermented wine, announcements, or collections - and which used chapters from 'The Desire of Ages' (15 minutes) and 'The Federalist Papers' (15 minutes) word for word, in 30 minute homilies - and which integrated the best in Sacred Classical Music - before, during, and after the Mass. Do you see what I'm saying? This would just be an experiment - over say, 1 year - to see how it went. This whole thing is a test. It's only a test. I think this whole thing could be properly done - but I doubt that the level of cooperation would ever exist for this to be able to become a reality. The power struggling would be something to behold! This crude first-step would obviously have to be refined, before it would be ready for prime-time. Or - perhaps we should just go with the Crystal Cathedral Model - but without the "Looky Me! Celebrity Christianity!" Salvation by Self-Exaltation? I think not. Or - what about Salvation4Sale via PayPal? (get it?) I'll always want to strive out into the universe of ideas - so I will probably never be satisfied with any theology, church, or governmental system. I'm just trying to positively reinforce that which has been in existence for a significant period of time - and which has momentum and a track-record. And, I am not exactly sold on the idea of including the writings of Ellen G. White in the Biblical Canon - even though I think that we can learn a helluva lot from 'The Desire of Ages' - much of which is ecumenical in nature (unlike 'The Great Controversy'). The Latin Mass, Sacred Classical Music, and Gothic Cathedrals seem to harmonize in a rather grand manner - but I have substantial theological issues with the traditional theological interpretation of the Mass. How does one drain the bathwater without flushing the baby down the toilet? (Sorry - I couldn't resist.)

    1. The Teachings of Jesus.

    2. The U.S. Constitution.

    3. The Latin Mass.

    4. The Classical Sacred Music.

    5. A Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System.


    I guess I'll just have to conceptually work with this in the coming years - and perhaps bits and pieces of the concept will be incorporated into whatever New Solar System emerges - probably after lots of fighting and misery. Which individuals and groups would support this list? Which individuals and groups would oppose this list? What would their reasons be? What if someone like Amen-Ra or Anna theocratically imposed this sort of thing on the solar system? The whole solar system would never agree to such a thing - would they? We can't really seem to agree on much of anything. Will the confusion just keep descending to lower and lower levels of civilization - until we exterminate ourselves completely? Everyone wants things to be 'Good' - but we can't seem to agree on what 'Good' is - or how to achieve that which is 'Good' - so things continue to be 'Bad' for most of the people in the world. All of this must REALLY seem stupid to those who live on the Moon. But then, they might want things to continue to be 'Bad', and they might even be greasing the skids to perdition. One major problem is that we have been lied to, regarding the most important things, and that it might be very difficult for us to be happy with reality. At least the lies gave us a perfect heaven to win, and an eternally burning hell to shun. Pretty good motivator, huh?! I think this world is going to be a Pissed-Off Mess for a very long time. I think it's going to be a mess - no matter what we do. I'm just hoping we can avoid Armageddon during the remainder of this century. I really need to internalize and refine everything in this thread. I should probably stop trying to pull others along with me, as I struggle in the muck - but misery loves company. I am really haunted by the opening scenes of Battlestar Galactica "The Plan". That could happen here, you know. Perhaps it already has - more than once. I've heard that there really and truly was a Caprica - and that this has happened before. As of this moment - we might very well be at war - in a conflict which began 600,000 years ago. But what the hell do I know? Will the Truth Set Us Free - or Will it Start a Brand-New Star War? Damned if I know. Probably Damned. Period. I really need to get away from all of this. I want to help - but I want to stay out of the crazy-place. I'm sliding closer and closer toward the edge - and there's no damn guard-rail. One more time - I invite the Beings of the Universe to Support Humanity in Establishing a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - Based Wherever it is Most Appropriate. Wouldn't continued discussions be most productive in the context of paradise, rather than purgatory or hell? Why does there always have to be fighting and misery? Can't we do better than this? Why is this so goddamn hard??????????

    orthodoxymoron

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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:07 pm

    I have linked these two video series before - but here they are again.

    1. 'New World Order. The Devil in the Vatican.' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLp9xigjajM Try using this music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdLCcQixNvg&playnext=1&list=PLEFB725C82BC4D2A1

    2. 'Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4XvotlAzrQ Try using this music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrb0dHKJBR4&feature=related

    If you haven't already looked at all of the parts - please do. I've been through both of them - and I'm going to go through them again. I really do believe in the angelic and the demonic - but they might be quite a bit different than what many of us think they are. There is so much BS in theology, philosophy, and everything - but there is a truth which underlies the bs. This is a very disorienting study - so be careful as you research all of this material. There seems to be an ongoing spiritual war. I don't know the details - but I know it exists. I think Blavatsky offers many important clues - but I would not recommend becoming a 'follower'. I think everyone is in for a rude awakening in the near future. I think all of us have been had. That's just my impression. Regarding the Vatican - I think there is a good side and a bad side - and I seek the liberation and reformation of the Sirian/Atlantean/Babylonian/Egyptian/Grecian/Roman Catholic Church. I might've overdone that last sentence, a bit, but maybe not. I just keep venturing where angels fear to tread, with my pseudo-intellectual and experiential 'research'. Horns, Snakes, Sun, Gods, Goddess, Mythologies, Prophets, Pharaohs. There seems to be a lot of overlap, commonalities, obscure symbolism, and deception. I'm suspecting two or three major players in this solar system (possibly Archangels) in conflict with each other (for who knows what reasons?). Focus on what might be behind all of the above. What if there are two Archangels in direct conflict with each other - and an opportunistic mercenary Archangel in the middle? What if Archangels = Interdimensional Reptilian Queens? Sorry. I need to stop, and go to sleep! Please watch the videos!


    I've recently joked about living in a Deep Underground Reptilian Monastery - but do you think such places really exist? Is this a Reptilian Monk? Would you like to live in a Deep Underground Reptilian Monastery? Would the Reptilian Monks necessarily hate Human Beings? Can you imagine your first visit? I might visit them - if, and only if - they were not evil or hostile. They would obviously have a very different view of life in this solar system. Should they be included in solar system governance? Or - do they ask if Humans should be included in solar system governance? Do Reptilians and Humans Share the Same Type of Soul? Are we simply different aspects of an Ancient Genetics Program to Provide Bodies for Interdimensional Reptilian Souls? Did this Genetics Program Cause the War in Heaven? I am sane - aren't I? Please say 'YES!' PLEASE!!!!!


    My questions really have more to do with Theology and Governance than anything else. This whole subject could be at the core of who we are, where we came from, what is going on presently, and what our future holds. I'm not a UFO-Chaser, and I'm not looking for a Freak-Show. I think the Vatican, the Secret Government, and the Alphabet Agencies know exactly what's going on - but I can't say that I blame them for not blurting out everything they know. Some time ago, an Ivy-League Graduate told me they were a 'Talking Snake'. I didn't know anything about Reptilian Humanoids or Hybrids at the time. But, as I think back, I did hear things about this subject, in round about ways, a long time ago. I'm trying to formulate a rational approach to all fringe subjects, with an emphasis on Responsibility. But, so far, I haven't been very responsible. I'm making this solar system the set of my very own science fiction show (within my mind) which is so much better than most of the sci-fi tripe. Even if all of this is complete bs - it's still an excellent mental exercise - if one doesn't go insane, that is. I think the comparative aspect of esoteric research is extremely important - so as not to get suckered into some controlling or dangerous cult or church. I love listening to older researchers, who have studied for decades, and who have a calm and seasoned demeanor. You know, people who have seen 'em come and go, and who have seen it all, and then reached some sort of rational resolution to the madness. If I could convert the masses to any one thing - it would be to convince them to become Lifelong Skilled Multidisciplinary Researchers (LSMR). Just give me a Room with a Cray - in a Deep Underground Reptilian Monastery (DURM). Just in case anyone out there in cyberspace is attempting to pigeonhole me - My Highly Specialized Area of Research is Solar System Studies (SSS). Research Without End - orthodoxymoron.



    This is sort of an ongoing fan-fiction project. I don't know how much of it is reality, and how much is fiction. It's just all mixed together, sort of like 'the wheat and the tares'. I think I dance around the truth, without really spelling it out. I think the ultimate truth is so much bigger than any of us can really comprehend. I think I'm just scratching the surface. Here is an example. Who is the Queen of England - REALLY? To begin, here is the wiki entry. Some people frown on wikipedia based research - but I tend to think that it might be a bit less edited and censored than more 'credible' sources. I like to watch 'joe blow' videos on YouTube for the same reason. Some yahoo in the sticks might have an absolutely profound insight!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary, born 21 April 1926[N 1]) is the constitutional monarch of sixteen independent sovereign states known as the Commonwealth realms: the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis. As Head of the Commonwealth, she is the figurehead of the 54-member Commonwealth of Nations; as the British monarch, she is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.

    Elizabeth was educated privately at home. Her father, George VI, became King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions and Emperor of India in 1936. She began to undertake public duties during the Second World War, in which she served in the Auxiliary Territorial Service. After the war and Indian independence, George VI abandoned the title of Emperor of India, and the evolution of the British Empire into the Commonwealth accelerated. In 1947, Elizabeth made the first of many tours around the Commonwealth and married Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. Elizabeth and Philip have four children: Charles, Anne, Andrew, and Edward.

    In 1949, George VI became the first Head of the Commonwealth, a "symbol of the free association of its independent member nations".[1] When he died in 1952, Elizabeth became Head of the Commonwealth and the queen of seven independent Commonwealth countries: the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon. Her coronation service in 1953 was the first to be televised.[2] During her reign, which at 59 years is one of the longest for a British monarch, she became queen of 25 other countries within the Commonwealth as they gained independence. Between 1956 and 1992, half her realms, including South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon (renamed Sri Lanka), became republics.

    In 1992, which Elizabeth termed her annus horribilis ("horrible year"), two of her sons separated from their wives, her daughter divorced, and a severe fire destroyed part of Windsor Castle. Revelations on the state of her eldest son Charles's marriage continued, and he divorced in 1996. The following year, her former daughter-in-law Diana, Princess of Wales, died in a car crash in Paris. The media criticised the royal family for remaining in seclusion in the days before Diana's funeral, but Elizabeth's personal popularity rebounded after she appeared in public and has since remained high. Her Silver and Golden Jubilees were celebrated in 1977 and 2002; planning for her Diamond Jubilee in 2012 is underway.

    Elizabeth was the first child of Prince Albert, Duke of York (later King George VI), and his wife, Elizabeth. Her father was the second son of King George V and Queen Mary, and her mother was the youngest daughter of Scottish aristocrat Claude Bowes-Lyon, 14th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne. She was born by Caesarean section at 2.40 am (GMT) on 21 April 1926 at her maternal grandfather's London house: 17 Bruton Street, Mayfair;[3] and was baptised in the private chapel of Buckingham Palace by the Archbishop of York, Cosmo Lang, on 29 May.[4][N 2] She was named Elizabeth after her mother, Alexandra after George V's mother, and Mary after her grandmother.[6] Her close family called her "Lilibet".[7] George V cherished his granddaughter, and during his serious illness in 1929 her regular visits raised his spirits and were credited with aiding his recovery.[8]

    Elizabeth's only sibling was Princess Margaret, who was born in 1930. The two princesses were educated at home under the supervision of their mother and their governess, Marion Crawford, who was casually known as "Crawfie".[9] To the dismay of the royal family,[10] Crawford later published a biography of Elizabeth and Margaret's childhood years entitled The Little Princesses. The book describes Elizabeth's love of horses and dogs, her orderliness, and her attitude of responsibility.[11] Others echoed such observations: Winston Churchill described Elizabeth when she was two as "a character. She has an air of authority and reflectiveness astonishing in an infant."[12] Her cousin Margaret Rhodes described her as "a jolly little girl, but fundamentally sensible and well-behaved".[13]

    As a granddaughter of the monarch in the male line, Elizabeth's full style at birth was Her Royal Highness Princess Elizabeth of York. She was third in the line of succession to the throne, behind her uncle, Edward, Prince of Wales, and her father. Although her birth generated public interest, she was not expected to become queen, as the Prince of Wales was still young, and many assumed he would marry and have children of his own.[14] In 1936, when her grandfather, the King, died and her uncle Edward succeeded, she became second in line to the throne after her father. Later that year, Edward abdicated after his proposed marriage to divorced socialite Wallis Simpson provoked a constitutional crisis.[15] Elizabeth's father became king, and she became heiress presumptive, with the style Her Royal Highness The Princess Elizabeth.

    Elizabeth received private tuition in constitutional history from Henry Marten, Vice-Provost of Eton College,[16] and learned French from a succession of native-speaking governesses.[17] A Girl Guides company, the 1st Buckingham Palace Company, was formed specifically so she could socialise with girls her own age.[18] Later she was enrolled as a Sea Ranger.[17]

    In 1939, Elizabeth's parents toured Canada and visited the United States. As in 1927, when her parents had toured Australia and New Zealand, Elizabeth remained in Britain as the King thought her too young to undertake public tours.[19] Elizabeth "looked tearful" as her parents departed.[20] They corresponded regularly,[20] and on 18 May, she and her parents made the first royal transatlantic telephone call.[19]

    From September 1939, with the outbreak of the Second World War, Elizabeth and her younger sister, Margaret, stayed at Balmoral Castle, Scotland, until Christmas 1939, when they moved to Sandringham House, Norfolk.[21] From February to May 1940, they lived at Royal Lodge, Windsor, until moving to Windsor Castle, where they stayed for most of the next five years.[22] The suggestion by senior politician Lord Hailsham that the two princesses should be evacuated to Canada was rejected by Elizabeth's mother; she declared, "The children won't go without me. I won't leave without the King. And the King will never leave."[23] At Windsor, the princesses staged pantomimes at Christmas in aid of the Queen's Wool Fund, which bought yarn to knit into military garments.[24] In 1940, the 14-year-old Elizabeth made her first radio broadcast during the BBC's Children's Hour, addressing other children who had been evacuated from the cities.[25] She stated:

    We are trying to do all we can to help our gallant sailors, soldiers and airmen, and we are trying, too, to bear our share of the danger and sadness of war. We know, every one of us, that in the end all will be well.[25]
    In 1943, at the age of 16, Elizabeth undertook her first solo public appearance on a visit to the Grenadier Guards, of which she had been appointed Colonel-in-Chief the previous year.[26] In February 1945, she joined the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service, as an honorary Second Subaltern with the service number of 230873.[27] She trained as a driver and mechanic, drove a military truck,[26] and was promoted to honorary Junior Commander five months later.[28]

    During the war, plans were drawn up to quell Welsh nationalism by affiliating Elizabeth more closely with Wales.[29] Welsh politicians proposed that Elizabeth be made Princess of Wales on her 18th birthday. The idea was supported by Home Secretary Herbert Morrison but rejected by the King because he felt such a title belonged solely to the wife of a Prince of Wales, and the Prince of Wales had always been the heir apparent (usually the Sovereign's eldest surviving son). Elizabeth was only heir presumptive and could be supplanted in the line of succession if the sovereign had a son.[30] In 1946, she was inducted into the Welsh Gorsedd of Bards at the National Eisteddfod of Wales.[31]

    At the end of the war in Europe, on Victory in Europe Day, Elizabeth and her sister mingled anonymously with the celebratory crowds in the streets of London. She later said in a rare interview, "we asked my parents if we could go out and see for ourselves. I remember we were terrified of being recognised ... I remember lines of unknown people linking arms and walking down Whitehall, all of us just swept along on a tide of happiness and relief."[32] Two years later, the princess made her first overseas tour, when she accompanied her parents to Southern Africa. During the tour, in a broadcast to the British Commonwealth on her 21st birthday, she pledged: "I declare before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong."[33]

    Elizabeth met her future husband, Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark, in 1934 and 1937.[34] After another meeting at the Royal Naval College in Dartmouth in July 1939, Elizabeth – though only 13 years old – fell in love with Philip, and they began to exchange letters.[35] They married on 20 November 1947 at Westminster Abbey. They are second cousins once removed through King Christian IX of Denmark and third cousins through Queen Victoria. Before the marriage, Philip renounced his Greek and Danish titles, converted from Greek Orthodoxy to Anglicanism, and adopted the style Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten, taking the surname of his mother's British family.[36] Just before the wedding, he was created Duke of Edinburgh and granted the style of His Royal Highness.[37]

    The marriage was not without controversy: Philip had no financial standing, was foreign-born (though a British subject), and had sisters who had married German noblemen with Nazi links.[38] Elizabeth's mother was reported, in later biographies, to have opposed the union initially, even dubbing Philip "The Hun".[39] In later life, however, she told biographer Tim Heald that Philip was "an English gentleman".[40]

    Elizabeth and Philip received 2500 wedding gifts from around the world,[41] but the country had not yet completely rebounded from the devastation of the war. She still required ration coupons to buy the material for her gown, designed by Norman Hartnell.[42] In post-war Britain, it was not acceptable for the Duke of Edinburgh's German relations to be invited to the wedding, including Philip's three surviving sisters.[43][44] Ronald Storrs claimed that another notable absentee, Elizabeth's aunt, Mary, Princess Royal, refused to attend because her brother Edward, the former king, was not invited; she gave ill health as the official reason for not attending.[45]

    Elizabeth gave birth to her first child, Prince Charles, on 14 November 1948, less than one month after letters patent were issued by her father allowing her children to enjoy a royal and princely status to which they otherwise would not have been entitled.[46][47] A second child, Princess Anne, was born in 1950.

    Following their wedding, the couple leased Windlesham Moor near Windsor Castle, until 4 July 1949,[41] when they took up residence at Clarence House in London. At various times between 1949 and 1951, the Duke of Edinburgh was stationed in Malta (then a British Protectorate) as a serving Royal Navy officer. He and Elizabeth lived intermittently, for several months at a time, in the Maltese hamlet of Gwardamanġia, at the Villa Gwardamanġia, the rented home of Philip's uncle, Lord Mountbatten. The children remained in Britain.[48]

    George VI's health declined during 1951, and Elizabeth was soon frequently standing in for him at public events. In October of that year, she toured Canada, and visited President of the United States Harry S. Truman in Washington, D.C.; on the trip, her private secretary, Martin Charteris, carried a draft accession declaration for use if the King died while she was on tour.[49] In early 1952, Elizabeth and Philip set out for a tour of Australia and New Zealand by way of Kenya. On 6 February 1952, they had just returned to their Kenyan home, Sagana Lodge, after a night spent at Treetops Hotel, when word arrived of the death of Elizabeth's father. Philip broke the news to the new queen.[50] Martin Charteris asked her to choose a regnal name; she chose to remain Elizabeth, "of course".[51][52] She was proclaimed queen throughout her realms, and the royal party hastily returned to the United Kingdom.[53] She and the Duke of Edinburgh moved into Buckingham Palace.[54]

    With Elizabeth's accession, it seemed likely that the royal house would bear her husband's name. Lord Mountbatten thought it would be the House of Mountbatten, as Elizabeth would typically have taken Philip's last name on marriage; however, Queen Mary and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill favoured the retention of the House of Windsor, and so Windsor it remained. The Duke complained, "I am the only man in the country not allowed to give his name to his own children."[55] In 1960, after the death of Queen Mary and the resignation of Churchill, the surname Mountbatten-Windsor was adopted for Philip and Elizabeth's male-line descendants who do not carry royal titles.[56]

    Amid preparations for the coronation, Princess Margaret informed her sister that she wished to marry Peter Townsend, a divorced commoner 16 years older than Margaret with two sons from his previous marriage. The Queen asked them to wait for a year; in the words of Martin Charteris, "the Queen was naturally sympathetic towards the Princess, but I think she thought – she hoped – given time, the affair would peter out."[57] Senior politicians were against the match, and the Church of England did not permit re-marriage after divorce. If Margaret contracted a civil marriage, she would have to renounce her right of succession.[58] Eventually, she decided to abandon her plans with Townsend.[59] In 1960, she married Antony Armstrong-Jones, 1st Earl of Snowdon. They were divorced in 1978. She did not remarry.

    Despite the death of Elizabeth's grandmother Queen Mary on 24 March 1953, the coronation went ahead in Westminster Abbey on 2 June 1953. Before she died, Mary had asked that the coronation not be delayed. The entire ceremony, except the anointing and communion, was televised, and the coverage was instrumental in boosting the medium's popularity; the number of television licences in the United Kingdom doubled to 3 million,[60] and many of the more than 20 million British viewers watched television for the first time in the homes of their friends or neighbours.[61][62] In North America, just under 100 million viewers watched recorded broadcasts.[63] Elizabeth wore a gown commissioned from Norman Hartnell, which was embroidered with floral emblems for the countries of the Commonwealth: English Tudor rose, Scots thistle, Welsh leek, Irish shamrock, Australian wattle, Canadian maple leaf, New Zealand silver fern, South African protea, lotus flowers for India and Ceylon, and Pakistan's wheat, cotton, and jute.[64]

    Elizabeth witnessed, over her life, the ongoing transformation of the British Empire into the Commonwealth of Nations. By the time of Elizabeth's accession in 1952, her role as nominal head of multiple independent states was already established.[65] Spanning 1953–54, the Queen and her husband embarked on a six-month around-the-world tour. She became the first reigning monarch of Australia and New Zealand to visit those nations.[66][67] During the tour, crowds were immense; three-quarters of the population of Australia were estimated to have seen the Queen.[68] Throughout her reign, Elizabeth has undertaken state visits to foreign countries, and tours of Commonwealth ones. She is the most widely travelled head of state in history.[69]

    In 1956, French Prime Minister Guy Mollet and British Prime Minister Sir Anthony Eden discussed the possibility of France joining the Commonwealth. The proposal was never accepted, and the following year France signed the Treaty of Rome, which established the European Economic Community, the precursor of the European Union.[70] In November 1956, Britain and France invaded Egypt in an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to capture the Suez Canal. Lord Mountbatten claimed the Queen was opposed to the invasion, though Eden denied it. Eden resigned two months later.[71]

    The absence of a formal mechanism within the Conservative Party for choosing a leader meant that, following Eden's resignation, it fell to the Queen to decide whom to commission to form a government. Eden recommended that Elizabeth consult Lord Salisbury (the Lord President of the Council). Lord Salisbury and Lord Kilmuir (the Lord Chancellor) consulted the Cabinet, Winston Churchill, and the Chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee, as a result of which the Queen appointed their recommended candidate: Harold Macmillan.[72] Six years later, Macmillan resigned and advised the Queen to appoint the Earl of Home as prime minister, advice that she followed.[73]

    The Suez crisis and the choice of Eden's successor led in 1957 to the first major personal criticism of the Queen. In a magazine, which he owned and edited,[74] Lord Altrincham accused her of being "out of touch".[75] Altrincham was denounced by public figures and physically attacked by a member of the public appalled at his comments.[76] In 1963, the Queen again came under criticism for appointing the Prime Minister on the advice of a small number of ministers, or a single minister.[73] In 1965, the Conservatives adopted a formal mechanism for choosing a leader, thus relieving her of involvement.[77]

    In 1957, she made a state visit on behalf of the Commonwealth to the United States, where she addressed the United Nations General Assembly. On the same tour, she opened the 23rd Canadian Parliament, becoming the first monarch of Canada to open a parliamentary session. Two years later, she revisited the United States as a representative of Canada. In 1961, she toured Cyprus, India, Pakistan, Nepal, and Iran.[78] On a visit to Ghana the same year, she dismissed fears for her safety, even though her host President Kwame Nkrumah, who had replaced her as head of state, was a target for assassins.[79] Harold Macmillan wrote: "The Queen has been absolutely determined all through ... She is impatient of the attitude towards her to treat her as ... a film star ... She has indeed 'the heart and stomach of a man' ... She loves her duty and means to be a Queen."[79]

    Elizabeth's pregnancies with Princes Andrew and Edward, in 1959 and 1963, mark the only times she has not performed the State Opening of the British Parliament during her reign.[80] Instead, Parliament was opened by Royal Commission, and the Lord Chancellor delivered the speech from the throne.

    The 1960s and 1970s saw an acceleration in the decolonisation of Africa and the Caribbean. Over 20 countries gained independence from Britain as part of a planned transition to self-government. In 1965, however, Rhodesian Prime Minister Ian Smith declared unilateral independence in opposition to moves toward majority black rule. Although the Queen dismissed Smith in a formal declaration and the international community applied sanctions against Rhodesia, Smith's regime survived for over a decade.[81]

    In February 1974, British Prime Minister Edward Heath called a general election in the middle of the Queen's tour of the Austronesian Pacific Rim, and she had to fly back to Britain interrupting the tour.[82] The inconclusive result of the election meant that Heath, whose Conservative party had the largest share of the popular vote but no overall majority, could stay in office if he formed a coalition with the Liberals. Heath only resigned when discussions on forming a cooperative government foundered, after which the Queen asked the Leader of the Opposition, Labour's Harold Wilson, to form a government.[83]

    A year later, at the height of the 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam was dismissed from his post by Governor-General Sir John Kerr after the Opposition-controlled Senate rejected Whitlam's budget proposals.[84] As Whitlam had a majority in the House of Representatives, Speaker Gordon Scholes appealed to the Queen to reverse Kerr's decision. Elizabeth declined, stating that she would not interfere in decisions reserved for the Governor-General by the Constitution of Australia.[85] The crisis fuelled Australian republicanism.[84]

    In 1977, Elizabeth marked the Silver Jubilee of her accession. Parties and events took place throughout the Commonwealth, many coinciding with the Queen's associated national and Commonwealth tours. The celebrations re-affirmed the Queen's popularity, despite virtually coincident negative press coverage of Princess Margaret's separation from her husband.[86] In 1978, Elizabeth endured a state visit by the communist dictator of Romania, Nicolae Ceauşescu.[87] The following year brought two blows: one was the unmasking of Anthony Blunt, former Surveyor of the Queen's Pictures, as a communist spy; the other was the assassination of her relative and in-law Lord Mountbatten by the Provisional Irish Republican Army.[88]

    According to Paul Martin, Sr., by the end of the 1970s the Queen was worried the Crown "had little meaning for" Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.[89] Tony Benn said that the Queen found Trudeau "rather disappointing".[89] Trudeau's supposed republicanism seemed to be confirmed by his antics, such as sliding down banisters at Buckingham Palace and pirouetting behind the Queen's back in 1977, and the removal of various Canadian royal symbols during his term of office.[89] In 1980, Canadian politicians sent to London to discuss the patriation of the Canadian constitution found the Queen "better informed on ... Canada's constitutional case than any of the British politicians or bureaucrats".[89] She was interested in the constitutional debate after the failure of Bill C-60, which would have affected her role as head of state.[89] Patriation removed the role of the British parliament in the Canadian constitution, but the monarchy was retained. Trudeau said in his memoirs: "The Queen favoured my attempt to reform the Constitution. I was always impressed not only by the grace she displayed in public at all times, but by the wisdom she showed in private conversation."[90]

    During the 1981 Trooping the Colour ceremony, and only six weeks before the wedding of Charles, Prince of Wales, and Lady Diana Spencer, six shots were fired at the Queen from close range as she rode down The Mall on her horse, Burmese. Police later discovered that the shots were blanks. The 17-year-old assailant, Marcus Sarjeant, was sentenced to five years in prison and released after three.[91] The Queen's composure and skill in controlling her mount were widely praised.[92] The following year, the Queen awoke in her bedroom at Buckingham Palace to find an intruder, Michael Fagan, in the room with her. Remaining calm, and through two calls to the palace police switchboard, the Queen spoke to Fagan while he sat at the foot of her bed until assistance arrived seven minutes later.[93] From April to September that year, the Queen remained anxious[94] but proud[95] of her son, Prince Andrew, who was serving with British forces during the Falklands War. Though she hosted President Ronald Reagan at Windsor Castle in 1982, and visited his Californian ranch in 1983, she was angered when his administration ordered the invasion of Grenada, one of her Caribbean realms, without her foreknowledge.[96]

    Intense media interest in the opinions and private lives of the royal family during the 1980s led to a series of sensational stories in the press,[97] not all of which were entirely true. As Kelvin MacKenzie, editor of The Sun, told his staff: "Give me a Sunday for Monday splash on the Royals. Don't worry if it's not true – so long as there's not too much of a fuss about it afterwards."[98][N 3] The Queen was reportedly worried that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's economic policies fostered social divisions, and was alarmed by high unemployment, a series of riots, the violence of a miners' strike, and Thatcher's refusal to apply sanctions against the apartheid regime in South Africa.[N 4] Thatcher reputedly said the Queen would vote for the Social Democratic Party—Thatcher's political opponents.[101] Despite such speculation, Thatcher later conveyed her personal admiration for the Queen on film[102] and in her memoirs.[103] Further belying reports of acrimony between them, after Thatcher's replacement by John Major, the Queen gave two honours in her personal gift to Thatcher: the Order of Merit and the Order of the Garter.[104] She also attended Thatcher's 70th and 80th birthday parties.[105]

    By the start of 1991, republican feeling had risen because of press estimates of the Queen's private wealth, which were contradicted by the palace, and reports of affairs and strained marriages among her extended family.[106] The involvement of the younger royals in the charity game show It's a Royal Knockout was ridiculed,[107] and the Queen was the target of satire.[108]

    In 1991, in the wake of victory in the Gulf War, she became the first British monarch to address a joint session of the United States Congress.[109] The following year, she attempted to save the failing marriage of her eldest son, Charles, by counselling him and his wife, Diana, Princess of Wales, to patch up their differences.[110]

    Prince Philip and Elizabeth II, October 1992In a speech on 24 November 1992, to mark the 40th anniversary of her accession, the Queen called 1992 her "annus horribilis", meaning horrible year.[111] In March, her second son Prince Andrew, Duke of York, and his wife Sarah, Duchess of York, separated. In April, her daughter Anne, Princess Royal, divorced her husband Captain Mark Phillips.[112] During a state visit to Germany in October, angry demonstrators in Dresden threw eggs at her,[113] and in November Windsor Castle suffered severe fire damage. The monarchy received increased criticism and public scrutiny.[114] In an unusually personal speech, Elizabeth said that any institution must expect criticism but suggested it be done with "a touch of humour, gentleness and understanding".[115] Two days later, Prime Minister John Major announced reforms of the royal finances that had been planned since the previous year, including the Queen paying income tax for the first time starting in 1993 and a reduction in the civil list.[116] In December, Charles and Diana formally separated.[117] The year ended with a lawsuit as the Queen sued The Sun newspaper for breach of copyright when it published the text of her annual Christmas message two days before its broadcast. The newspaper was forced to pay her legal fees, and donated £200,000 to charity.[118]

    In the ensuing years, public revelations on the state of Charles and Diana's marriage continued.[119] In consultation with Prime Minister Major, Archbishop of Canterbury George Carey, her private secretary Robert Fellowes, and her husband, she wrote to Charles and Diana at the end of December 1995, saying that a divorce was desirable.[120] A year after the divorce, which took place in 1996, Diana was killed in a car crash in Paris on 31 August 1997. The Queen was on holiday at Balmoral with her son and grandchildren. Diana's two sons wanted to attend church, and so their grandparents took them that morning.[121] After that single public appearance, for five days the Queen and the Duke shielded their grandsons from the intense press interest by keeping them at Balmoral where they could grieve in private.[122] The royal family's seclusion caused public dismay.[123] Pressured by the hostile public reaction, the Queen returned to London and agreed to a live broadcast to the world on 5 September, the day before Diana's funeral.[124] In the broadcast, she expressed admiration for Diana, and her feelings "as a grandmother" for Princes William and Harry.[125] As a result, much of the public hostility evaporated.[125]

    Elizabeth II and George W. Bush share a toast during a state dinner at the White House, 7 May 2007
    Elizabeth II (centre, in pink) during a walkabout in Queen's Park, Toronto, 6 July 2010In 2002, Elizabeth marked her Golden Jubilee as queen. Her sister and mother died in February and March, respectively, and the media speculated whether the Jubilee would be a success or a failure.[126] She again undertook an extensive tour of her realms, which began in Jamaica in February, where she called the farewell banquet "memorable" after a power cut plunged the King's House, the official residence of the Governor-General, into darkness.[127] As in 1977, there were street parties and commemorative events, and monuments were named to honour the occasion. A million people attended each day of the three-day main Jubilee celebration in London,[128] and the enthusiasm shown by the public for Elizabeth was greater than many journalists had predicted.[129]

    Though Elizabeth has enjoyed good health throughout her life, in 2003 she had keyhole surgery on both knees, and in June 2005 she cancelled several engagements after contracting a bad cold. In October 2006, the Queen missed the opening of the new Emirates Stadium because of a strained back muscle that had been troubling her since the summer.[130] Two months later, she was seen in public with a plaster on her right hand, which led to press speculation of ill health.[131] She had been bitten by one of her corgis while she was separating two that were fighting.[132]

    In May 2007, The Daily Telegraph newspaper reported claims from unnamed sources that the Queen was "exasperated and frustrated" by the policies of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, that she had shown concern that the British Armed Forces were overstretched in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that she had raised concerns over rural and countryside issues with Blair repeatedly.[133] She was, however, said to admire Blair's efforts to achieve peace in Northern Ireland.[134] On 20 March 2008, at the Church of Ireland St Patrick's Cathedral, Armagh, the Queen attended the first Maundy service held outside of England and Wales.[135]

    The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh celebrated their 60th wedding anniversary in 2007; their marriage is the longest of any British monarch. The Queen's reign is longer than those of her four immediate predecessors combined (Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, and George VI). She is the longest-lived and third-longest-reigning monarch of the United Kingdom, and the second-longest-serving current head of state (after King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand). She does not intend to abdicate,[136] though the proportion of public duties performed by Prince Charles may increase as Elizabeth reduces her commitments.[137]

    Elizabeth addressed the United Nations for a second time in 2010, 53 years after her first address, again in her capacity as queen of all of her realms and Head of the Commonwealth.[138] UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon introduced her as "an anchor for our age". In her speech, which followed a tour of Canada and was considered by her staff to be one of her most important recently,[139] she said that she had "witnessed great change, much of it for the better ... but", she continued, "the aims and values which inspired the United Nations Charter endure." She concluded, "In tomorrow's world, we must all work together as hard as ever if we are truly to be united nations."[138][139] While in New York, she also officially opened a memorial garden for the British victims of the 11 September attacks.[139][140]

    In March 2011, the Queen accepted an invitation from Irish President Mary McAleese to make a state visit to the Republic of Ireland, the first such visit by a reigning British monarch since 1911.[141]

    Elizabeth plans to celebrate her Diamond Jubilee in 2012, marking 60 years as Queen. She could become the longest-reigning monarch in the history of any of her realms and the longest-reigning queen regnant in world history (surpassing Queen Victoria, who celebrated her Diamond Jubilee in 1897) if she reigns for another -1596 days, until 10 September 2015.

    Since Elizabeth rarely gives interviews, little is known of her personal feelings. As a constitutional monarch, she has not expressed her own political opinions in a public forum. She does have a deep sense of religious and civic duty, and takes her coronation oath seriously.[142][143] Aside from her official religious role as Supreme Governor of the established Church of England, she personally worships with that church and with the national Church of Scotland.[144] She has demonstrated support for inter-faith relations, and has met with leaders of other religions, and granted her personal patronage to the Council of Christians and Jews.[145] A personal note about her faith often features in her annual Royal Christmas Message broadcast to the Commonwealth, such as in 2000, when she spoke about the theological significance of the millennium marking the 2000th anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ:

    To many of us, our beliefs are of fundamental importance. For me the teachings of Christ and my own personal accountability before God provide a framework in which I try to lead my life. I, like so many of you, have drawn great comfort in difficult times from Christ's words and example.[146][147]

    Elizabeth is the patron of over 600 charities and other organisations.[148] Her main leisure interests include equestrianism and dogs, especially her Pembroke Welsh Corgis.[149] Her clothes consist mostly of solid-colour overcoats and decorative hats, which allow her to be seen easily in a crowd.[150]

    In the 1950s, as a young woman at the start of her reign, Elizabeth was depicted as a glamorous "fairytale Queen".[151] After the trauma of the war, it was a time of hope, a period of progress and achievement heralding a "new Elizabethan age".[152] Lord Altrincham's accusation in 1957 that her speeches sounded like those of a "priggish schoolgirl" was an extremely rare criticism.[153] In the late 1960s, attempts to portray a more modern image of monarchy were made in the television documentary Royal Family, and by televising Prince Charles's investiture as Prince of Wales.[154]

    At her Silver Jubilee in 1977, the crowds and celebrations were genuinely enthusiastic,[155] but in the 1980s public criticism of the royal family increased, as the personal and working lives of Elizabeth's children came under media scrutiny.[156] Elizabeth's popularity sank to a low point in the 1990s. Under pressure from public opinion, she began to pay income tax for the first time, and Buckingham Palace was opened to the public.[157] Discontent with the monarchy reached its peak on the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, though the Queen's popularity rebounded after her live broadcast to the world five days after Diana's death.[158]

    In November 1999, a referendum in Australia on the future of the monarchy favoured its retention in preference to an indirectly elected head of state.[159] Polls in Britain in 2006 and 2007 revealed strong support for Elizabeth,[160][161][162] and referendums in Tuvalu in 2008 and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines in 2009 both rejected proposals to abolish the monarchy.[163]

    Sandringham House, Elizabeth's private residence in Sandringham, NorfolkElizabeth's personal fortune has been the subject of speculation for many years. Forbes magazine estimated her net worth at around US$450 million in 2010,[164] but official Buckingham Palace statements in 1993 called estimates of £100 million "grossly overstated",[165] and Jock Colville estimated her wealth at £2 million in 1971 (the equivalent of about £21 million today[166]).[167] The Royal Collection, which includes artworks and the Crown Jewels, is not owned by the Queen personally and is held in trust,[168][169] as are the occupied palaces in the United Kingdom such as Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle,[170] and the Duchy of Lancaster, a property portfolio valued at £348 million in 2010.[171]

    As was so with many of her predecessors, Elizabeth is reported to dislike Buckingham Palace as a residence, and prefers Windsor Castle.[136] Sandringham House and Balmoral Castle are privately owned by the Queen.[170] Income from the British Crown Estate – with holdings of £6.6 billion in 2010[172] – is transferred to the British treasury in return for Civil List payments. The Crown Estate and the Crown Land of Canada – comprising 89% of Canada's area[173] – are owned by the Sovereign in trust for the nation, and cannot be sold or owned by Elizabeth in a private capacity.

    Elizabeth has held titles throughout her life, as a granddaughter of the monarch, as a daughter of the monarch, through her husband's titles, and eventually as Sovereign. In common parlance, she is The Queen or Her Majesty. Officially, she has a distinct title in each of her realms: Queen of Canada in Canada, Queen of Australia in Australia, etc. In the Channel Islands and Isle of Man, which are Crown dependencies rather than separate realms, she is known as Duke of Normandy and Lord of Man respectively. Additional styles include Defender of the Faith and Duke of Lancaster. When in conversation with the Queen, the practice is to initially address her as Your Majesty and thereafter as Ma'am.[174]

    Elizabeth has received honours and awards from countries around the world, and has held honorary military positions throughout the Commonwealth, both before and after her accession.

    From 21 April 1944,[175] Elizabeth's arms consisted of a lozenge bearing the royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom, differenced with a label of three points argent, the centre bearing a Tudor Rose and the first and third a cross of St. George.[176] After her accession as Sovereign, she adopted the royal coat of arms undifferenced. The design of the shield is also used on the Royal Standard of the United Kingdom. Elizabeth has personal flags for use in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, and elsewhere.[177]



    Regarding Reptilian Queens: 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5NMdPkmZjg&feature=related 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcL---4xQYA

    Regarding Superluminal Intergalactic Travel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3r7ZVblz8&feature=fvwrel

    Regarding Major Tom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFks9A9TCF0

    Regarding the Year 2525: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNM2K8cmU8&feature=related

    Regarding Anal Retentiveness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iab9YKocUcw


    I got bored while rewatching 'Dogitia' (Someone knows what that means. I didn't know you were responsible for 19 of the 20 top grossing movies of all time! But it doesn't surprise me. BTW - I'm saving 'The Last Supper' for 'The Second Coming of Christ'.) so I did this:



    What shall we talk about? I'm beginning this post with nothing in particular to say. I'm just going to ramble - like I often do. What would you do if you were in charge of the solar system? Would you be a dictator? Would you set up a democracy? Would you keep the current Powers That Be - except that you would be the boss? How many people would be involved in solar system governance? Just you? Five? Ten? One Hundred? Five Hundred? One Thousand? Five Thousand? Ten Thousand? What would you do with the Weapons of Mass Destruction? What would you do with the religions? What would you do with the environmental nightmare? What would you do about the Rampant Debt throughout the world? What would you do about all of the suffering in the world? Should we have Preventive Medicine and Natural Care Sanitariums - or should we have Modern High Technology Drugs and Surgery Acute Care Hospitals? Should there be Trillionaires? Billionaires? Millionaires? Should everyone be limited to a maximum net-worth of One Million U.S. Dollars (at current economic conditions)? Should Having a Negative Net Worth Be Illegal? Should all welfare be in the form of short-term, low-interest loans - rather than hand-outs? Should prisoners have to pay for their incarceration? Should all war be illegal? Should the world population be limited to Four Billion? Should half of these people live underground? Should the environment be kept in a pristine condition? Should at least half of the moons and planets of the solar system be populated by Four Billion People? Should this solar system be run like a Democratic Well Run Corporation - with absolutely no corruption or bullshit? Should this solar system be a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System? Would this hypothetical arrangement result in a harsh theocracy and religious persecution - or would it maximize Responsible Political and Religious Freedom? Is President Obama turning on his handlers? Are they retaliating, by turning on him, by playing the Birth-Certificate Card? Or - is there something much worse, which would bring him down in a much harsher fashion? Might the Birth Certificate Issue be the easy way out? Is something a brewing in San Francisco? Why will very few of you talk to me? Hmmmmmmmmm.

    I think more people need to be like the characters in 'Dogma' - except that they should be completely non-violent. But really, the straight-forward approach and method of communication should probably be emulated. Anna, in 'V' has a polished and straight-forward communication style which should be emulated. But obviously, the evil side should not exist. Will the current powers that be need to be replaced by those who are equally smart and tough - yet who are completely non-corrupt? Do we need an individual who combines the best aspects of the Royal Model and the Servant Model - and who incorporates the best of all races, religions, cultures, and political systems - in a manner which transcends male and female? Would we tolerate a fast walking, fast talking, self-assured individual - who would tolerate no corruption or incompetence whatsoever - yet would abide by the U.S. Constitution in spirit and letter? What should be done with the Demonic Element in this Solar System? Should we take out the trash? Would more humans than non-humans have to leave or be incarcerated? Should Draconian Reptilians be considered to be Human Beings if they have Human Souls or if Humans have Reptilian Souls? What makes a Human - a Human? If Jesus appears in the sky - should we get on a UFO bound for Orion? Is this solar system really Heaven - or will we be taken to a paradise in another star system? What happens if we get taken to a Slave-Labor Hell instead? How do we discern the difference between good and evil? Is anyone REALLY good. I spoke with someone who knows a helluva lot about good and evil - and they were of the opinion that no one is really good. After thinking about it for a while - I started to see their point - yet I didn't agree with them completely. There are some very fine and noble souls in this solar system - but even so - none is righteous. No. Not one. But how good is too good? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    If I haven't given you enough to think about, then consider this statement by Dr. Helen Caldicott, regarding Fukushima. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMmaduq-5bw We are in VERY serious trouble. We need to press forward with a changing of the guard in this solar system. Things are not going to improve if we don't. We might not even survive if we don't. (Unless a proper change has already been made in the last couple of years. It just seems like corrupt business as usual.) Again, I invite the Benevolent Beings of the Universe to support this solar system in implementing a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - Based Wherever it is Most Appropriate. I still think that Fukushima was deliberately inflicted upon the people of the world. We need to clean this solar system up immediately. We need to somehow incarcerate or expel every evil and demonic soul in this solar system - and then reform them - or keep them incarcerated or removed indefinitely. We need to break-up our affair with the devil - get out of bed - put our clothes back on - and clean up this goddamn mess NOW. As Moses said, thousands of years ago, "LET MY PEOPLE GO!" Actually, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AND WITH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, "LET MY PEOPLE GO!" NOW! RIGHT NOW! And the Human Race really needs to stick together during this crisis. We can work out the details of governance in a rational and orderly fashion, at a reasonably later date. I JUST WANT THE RENEGADE BULLSHIT TO STOP RIGHT NOW.

    Comments? Questions?


    NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!!!!

    I remain confused regarding the various factions - and who the good and bad guys and gals really are. I'm not even sure which side I'm really on. Most days, I don't know if I'm a good guy or a bad guy. I keep passively engaging in this mini crusade - but something feels wrong. I don't seem to be on anyone's side - not even my own - although some of my posting seems to be self-promoting. I am attempting to follow the spirit and letter of the Teachings of Jesus - but I'm not sure how well I'm doing in this regard. I'm not sure about the Hard Sayings of Jesus. What would F.F. Bruce say? How many of them are really genuine - and how many of them have been altered? What would the 'Jesus Seminar' say? I just keep reading the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus in the King James Version of the Holy Bible - as a mental and spiritual exercise. Then I simply say and do what makes sense to me - but I feel a tremendous amount of inner turmoil. O wretched man that I am. Take everything I say with a sea of salt. I do. And don't expect to be happy if you deeply research this thread. I seem to be both a friend and enemy of just about everyone. OK - this is wierd - I was listening to a rebroadcast of Sherry Shriner's show - and a caller was talking about waking up, and seeing the time '11:11' all the time - and I noticed that the time was '11:11'! Spooky! This could be Heaven - or this could be Hell. Who knows?

    Fair Warning. Researchers Beware. Think for Yourselves - But Don't Expect a Genuine Search for Truth to Make You Happy. This Isn't About Being Happy.

    orthodoxymoron

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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:33 pm

    Why is it 'GOOD' Friday? That's when Jesus was tortured and murdered - as a HUMAN SACRIFICE - for God's sake!!! How in the hell is that 'GOOD'? In so many ways, it seems that the church of Christ is hostile to Jesus and His Teachings. Who has REALLY been running the church for the past 2,000 years? Are we faced with 2,000 years of Sede-Vacante? Has any Christian church EVER been doctrinally-based solely upon the Teachings of Jesus? Take a very close look at the REAL power behind the Monarchy, the Papacy, the United Nations, the City of London, Washington D.C., and the Alphabet Agencies. Time for a change????? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday

    Good Friday (from the senses pious, holy of the word "good"),[1][2] is a religious holiday observed primarily by Christians commemorating the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and his death at Calvary. The holiday is observed during Holy Week as part of the Paschal Triduum on the Friday preceding Easter Sunday, and may coincide with the Jewish observance of Passover. It is also known as Holy Friday, Great Friday, or Easter Friday,[3] though the latter normally refers to the Friday in Easter week.

    Based on the details of the Canonical gospels, the Crucifixion of Jesus was most probably on a Friday (John 19:42).[4] The estimated year of Good Friday is AD 33, by two different groups, and originally as AD 34 by Isaac Newton via the differences between the Biblical and Julian calendars and the crescent of the moon.[5][6][7][8][9][10] A third method, using a completely different astronomical approach based on a lunar Crucifixion darkness and eclipse model (consistent with Apostle Peter's reference to a "moon of blood" in Acts 2:20), points to Friday, 3 April AD 33.[11][12]

    According to the accounts in the Gospels, the Temple Guards, guided by Jesus' disciple Judas Iscariot, arrested Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. Judas received money (30 pieces of silver) (Matthew 26:14-16) for betraying Jesus and told the guards that whomever he kisses is the one they are to arrest. Following his arrest, Jesus is brought to the house of Annas, who is the father-in-law of the high priest, Caiaphas. There he is interrogated with little result and sent bound to Caiaphas the high priest where the Sanhedrin had assembled (John 18:1-24).

    Conflicting testimony against Jesus is brought forth by many witnesses, to which Jesus answers nothing. Finally the high priest adjures Jesus to respond under solemn oath, saying "I adjure you, by the Living God, to tell us, are you the Anointed One, the Son of God?" Jesus testifies in the affirmative, "You have said it, and in time you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Almighty, coming on the clouds of Heaven." The high priest condemns Jesus for blasphemy, and the Sanhedrin Trial of Jesus concurs with a sentence of death (Matthew 26:57-66). Peter, waiting in the courtyard, also denies Jesus three times to bystanders while the interrogations were proceeding just as Jesus had predicted.

    In the morning, the whole assembly brings Jesus to the Roman governor Pontius Pilate under charges of subverting the nation, opposing taxes to Caesar, and making himself a king (Luke 23:1-2). Pilate authorizes the Jewish leaders to judge Jesus according to their own law and execute sentencing; however, the Jewish leaders reply that they are not allowed by the Romans to carry out a sentence of death (John 18:31).

    Pilate questions Jesus and tells the assembly that there is no basis for sentencing. Upon learning that Jesus is from Galilee, Pilate refers the case to the ruler of Galilee, King Herod, who was in Jerusalem for the Passover Feast. Herod questions Jesus but receives no answer; Herod sends Jesus back to Pilate. Pilate tells the assembly that neither he nor Herod have found guilt in Jesus; Pilate resolves to have Jesus whipped and released (Luke 23:3-16). Under the guidance of the chief priests, the crowd asks for Barabbas, who had been imprisoned for committing murder during an insurrection. Pilate asks what they would have him do with Jesus, and they demand, "Crucify him" (Mark 15:6-14). Pilate's wife had seen Jesus in a dream earlier that day, and she forewarns Pilate to "have nothing to do with this righteous man" (Matthew 27:19). Pilate has Jesus flogged and then brings him out to the crowd to release him. The chief priests inform Pilate of a new charge, demanding Jesus be sentenced to death "because he claimed to be God's son." This possibility filled Pilate with fear, and he brought Jesus back inside the palace and demanded to know from where he came (John 19:1-9).

    Coming before the crowd one last time, Pilate declares Jesus innocent and washed his own hands in water to show he has no part in this condemnation. Nevertheless, Pilate hands Jesus over to be crucified in order to forestall a riot (Matthew 27:24-26) and ultimately to keep his job. The sentence written is "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews." Jesus carries his cross to the site of execution (assisted by Simon of Cyrene), called the place of the Skull, or "Golgotha" in Hebrew and in Latin "Calvary". There he is crucified along with two criminals (John 19:17-22).

    Jesus agonizes on the cross for six hours. During his last 3 hours on the cross, from noon to 3 p.m., darkness falls over the whole land.[13] With a loud cry, Jesus gives up his spirit. There is an earthquake, tombs break open, and the curtain in the Temple is torn from top to bottom. The centurion on guard at the site of crucifixion declares, "Truly this was God's Son!" (Matthew 27:45-54)

    Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Sanhedrin and secret follower of Jesus, who had not consented to his condemnation, goes to Pilate to request the body of Jesus (Luke 23:50-52). Another secret follower of Jesus and member of the Sanhedrin named Nicodemus brought about a hundred pound weight mixture of spices and helped wrap the body of Christ (John 19:39-40). Pilate asks confirmation from the centurion whether Jesus is dead (Mark 15:44). A soldier pierced the side of Jesus with a lance causing blood and water to flow out (John 19:34), and the centurion informs Pilate that Jesus is dead (Mark 15:45).

    Joseph of Arimathea took Jesus' body, wrapped it in a clean linen shroud, and placed it in his own new tomb that had been carved in the rock (Matthew 27:59-60) in a garden near the site of crucifixion. Nicodemus (John 3:1) also brought 75 pounds of myrrh and aloes, and placed them in the linen with the body, in keeping with Jewish burial customs (John 19:39-40). They rolled a large rock over the entrance of the tomb (Matthew 27:60). Then they returned home and rested, because Shabbat had begun at sunset (Luke 23:54-56). On the third day, Sunday, which is now known as Easter Sunday (or Pascha), Jesus rose from the dead.

    The Catholic Church treats Good Friday as a fast day, which in the Latin Rite of the Church is understood as having only one full meal (but smaller than a regular meal) and two collations (a smaller repast, two of which together do not equal one full meal) and on which the faithful abstain from eating meat. In countries where Good Friday is not a day of rest from work, the afternoon liturgical service is usually put off until a few hours after the recommended time of 3 p.m.

    The Latin Rite ordinarily has no celebration of Mass between the Lord's Supper on Holy Thursday evening and the Easter Vigil unless a special exemption is granted for rare solemn or grave occasions by the Vatican or the local bishop. The only sacraments celebrated during this time are Baptism (for those in danger of death), Penance, and Anointing of the Sick.[14] While there is no celebration of the Eucharist, it is distributed to the faithful only in the Service of the Passion of the Lord, but can also be taken at any hour to the sick who are unable to attend this service.[15] During this period crosses, candlesticks, and altar cloths are removed from the altar which remains completely bare.[16] It is also customary to empty the holy water fonts in preparation of the blessing of the water at the Easter Vigil.[17] Traditionally, no bells are rung on Good Friday or Holy Saturday until the Easter Vigil.

    The Celebration of the Passion of the Lord takes place in the afternoon, ideally at three o'clock, but for pastoral reasons a later hour may be chosen.[18] The vestments used are red (more commonly) or black (more traditionally).[19] Before 1970, vestments were black except for the Communion part of the rite when violet was used.[20] Before 1955 black was used throughout.[21] If a bishop or abbot celebrates, he wears a plain mitre (mitra simplex).[22]

    Communion from the Blessed Sacrament on Good Friday (Our Lady of Lourdes, Philadelphia)The liturgy consists of three parts: the Liturgy of the Word, the Veneration of the Cross, and Holy Communion.

    The Liturgy of the Word, consists of the clergy and assisting ministers entering in complete silence, without any singing. They then silently make a full prostration, "[signifying] both the abasement of 'earthly man,'[23] and also the grief and sorrow of the Church."[24] Then follows the Collect prayer, and the reading or chanting of Isaiah 52:13-53:12, Hebrews 4:14-16, 5:7-9, and the Passion account from the Gospel of John, traditionally divided between three deacons,[25] yet often divided between the celebrant and more than one singer or reader. This part of the liturgy concludes with the orationes sollemnes, a series of prayers for the Church, the Pope, the clergy and laity of the Church, those preparing for baptism, the unity of Christians, the Jewish people, those who do not believe in Christ, those who do not believe in God, those in public office, those in special need.[26] After each prayer intention, the deacon calls the faithful to kneel for a short period of private prayer; the celebrant then sums up the prayer intention with a Collect-style prayer.

    The Veneration of the Cross, has a crucifix, not necessarily the one that is normally on or near the altar at other times, solemnly displayed to the congregation and then venerated by them, individually if possible and usually by kissing the wood of the cross, while hymns and the Improperia ("Reproaches") with the Trisagion hymn are chanted.[27]

    Holy Communion is done according to a rite based on that of the final part of Mass, beginning with the Our Father, but omitting the ceremony of "Breaking of the Bread" and its related chant, the "Agnus Dei". The Eucharist, consecrated at the Evening Mass of the Lord's Supper on Holy Thursday is distributed at this service.[28] Before the reform of Pope Pius XII, only the priest received Communion in the framework of what was called the "Mass of the Presanctified", which included the usual Offertory prayers, with the placing of wine in the chalice, but which omitted the Canon of the Mass.[21] The priest and people then depart in silence, and the altar cloth is removed, leaving the altar bare except for the cross and two or four candlesticks.[29]

    In addition to the prescribed liturgical service, the Stations of the Cross are often prayed either in the church or outside, and a prayer service may be held from midday to 3.00 p.m., known as the Three Hours' Agony. In countries such as Malta, Italy, Philippines, Puerto Rico and Spain, processions with statues representing the Passion of Christ are held.

    In Rome, since the papacy of His Holiness John Paul II, the heights of the Temple of Venus and Roma and their position opposite the main entrance to the Colosseum have been used to good effect as a public address platform. This may be seen in the photograph below where a red canopy has been erected to shelter the Pope as well as an illuminated cross, on the occasion of the Way of the Cross ceremony. The Pope, either personally or through a representative, leads the faithful through meditations on the stations of the cross while a cross is carried from there to the Colosseum.

    In Polish churches, a tableau of Christ's Tomb is unveiled in the sanctuary. Many of the faithful spend long hours into the night grieving at the Tomb, where it is customary to kiss the wounds on the Lord's body. A life-size figure of Christ lying in his tomb is widely visited by the faithful, especially on Holy Saturday. The tableaux may include flowers, candles, figures of angels standing watch, and the three crosses atop Mt Calvary, and much more. Each parish strives to come up with the most artistically and religiously evocative arrangement in which the Blessed Sacrament, draped in a filmy veil, is prominently displayed.

    The Roman Catholic tradition includes specific prayers and devotions as acts of reparation for the sufferings and insults that Jesus suffered during his Passion on Good Friday. These Acts of Reparation to Jesus Christ do not involve a petition for a living or deceased beneficiary, but aim to repair the sins against Jesus. Some such prayers are provided in the Raccolta Catholic prayer book (approved by a Decree of 1854, and published by the Holy See in 1898) which also includes prayers as Acts of Reparation to the Virgin Mary.[30][31][32][33]

    In his encyclical Miserentissimus Redemptor on reparations, Pope Pius XI called Acts of Reparation to Jesus Christ a duty for Catholics and referred to them as "some sort of compensation to be rendered for the injury" with respect to the sufferings of Jesus.[34]

    Pope John Paul II referred to Acts of Reparation as the "unceasing effort to stand beside the endless crosses on which the Son of God continues to be crucified".[35]

    The Holy Week commemorations reach their peak on Good Friday as the Roman Catholic Church celebrates the passion of Jesus. Solemn celebrations take place in all churches together with processions in different villages around Malta and Gozo. During the celebration, the narrative of the passion is read in some localities. The Adoration of the Cross follows. Good Friday processions take place in Birgu, Bormla, Ghaxaq, Luqa, Mosta, Naxxar, Paola, Qormi, Rabat, Senglea, Valletta, Żebbuġ (Città Rohan) and Żejtun. Processions in Gozo will be in Nadur, Victoria (St. George and Cathedral), Xaghra and Żebbuġ, Gozo.

    In predominantly Roman Catholic Philippines, the day is commemorated with street processions, the Way of the Cross, the chanting of the Pasyon, and the staging of the Senakulo, a Passion play. Church bells are not rung and Masses are not celebrated. In some communities, (most notably in the island province of Marinduque or in the San Fernando, Pampanga), processions include devotees who practise mortification of the flesh. They engage in self-flagellation and sometimes even have themselves crucified as expressions of penance despite health issues and strong disapproval from the Church.[36]

    After three o'clock in the afternoon of Good Friday (the time at which Jesus is traditionally believed to have died), the faithful are urged to keep a very solemn and prayerful disposition until Easter Sunday. Noise and merriment is highly discouraged, while businesses close, and some radio and television stations close down.

    Other television networks remain on-air but give way to special religious programming, like movies on the lives of Christ and the Saints or inspirational dramas. Some tie-up with the communications arms of religious orders like the SVD, the Jesuits, and the Dominicans to provide telecasts of the day's rites live from Catholic churches. These events usually include the reading of the Siete Palabrás, the recitation of the Stations of the Cross, and the Commemoration of the Lord's Passion.

    In Cebu and other Visayan Islands, people usually eat binignit and biko as a form of fasting.

    Icon of the Crucifixion, 16th century, by Theophanes the Cretan (Stavronikita Monastery, Mount Athos)Byzantine Christians (Eastern Christians who follow the Rite of Constantinople: Orthodox Christians and Greek-Catholics) call this day "Holy and Great Friday", or simply "Great Friday".

    Because the sacrifice of Jesus through his crucifixion is commemorated on this day, the Divine Liturgy (the sacrifice of bread and wine) is never celebrated on Great Friday, except when this day coincides with the Great Feast of the Annunciation, which falls on the fixed date of March 25 (for those churches which follow the traditional Julian Calendar, March 25 currently falls on April 7 of the modern Gregorian Calendar). Also on Great Friday, the clergy no longer wear the purple or red that is customary throughout Great Lent,[37] but instead don black vestments. There is no "stripping of the altar" on Holy and Great Thursday as in the West; instead, all of the church hangings are changed to black, and will remain so until the Divine Liturgy on Great Saturday.

    The faithful revisit the events of the day through public reading of specific Psalms and the Gospels, and singing hymns about Christ's death. Rich visual imagery and symbolism as well as stirring hymnody are remarkable elements of these observances. In the Orthodox understanding, the events of Holy Week are not simply an annual commemoration of past events, but the faithful actually participate in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

    Each hour of this day is the new suffering and the new effort of the expiatory suffering of the Savior. And the echo of this suffering is already heard in every word of our worship service - unique and incomparable both in the power of tenderness and feeling and in the depth of the boundless compassion for the suffering of the Savior. The Holy Church opens before the eyes of believers a full picture of the redeeming suffering of the Lord beginning with the bloody sweat in the Garden of Gethsemane up to the crucifixion on Golgotha. Taking us back through the past centuries in thought, the Holy Church brings us to the foot of the cross of Christ erected on Golgotha, and makes us present among the quivering spectators of all the torture of the Savior.[38]

    Holy and Great Friday is observed as a strict fast, and adult Byzantine Christians are expected to abstain from all food and drink the entire day to the extent that their health permits. "On this Holy day neither a meal is offered nor do we eat on this day of the crucifixion. If someone is unable or has become very old [or is] unable to fast, he may be given bread and water after sunset. In this way we come to the holy commandment of the Holy Apostles not to eat on Great Friday."[38]

    The Byzantine Christian observance of Holy and Great Friday, which is formally known as The Order of Holy and Saving Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ, begins on Thursday night with the Matins of the Twelve Passion Gospels. Scattered throughout this Matins service are twelve readings from all four of the Gospels which recount the events of the Passion from the Last Supper through the Crucifixion and burial of Jesus. Some churches have a candelabrum with twelve candles on it, and after each Gospel reading one of the candles is extinguished.

    The first of these twelve readings John 13:31-18:1 is the longest Gospel reading of the liturgical year, and is a concatenation from all four Gospels. Just before the sixth Gospel reading, which recounts Jesus being nailed to the cross, a large cross is carried out of the sanctuary by the priest, accompanied by incense and candles, and is placed in the center of the nave (where the congregation gathers), with a two-dimensional painted icon of the body of Christ (Greek: soma) affixed to it. As the cross is being carried, the priest or a chanter chants a special antiphon, Simeron Kremate Epi Xilo:

    Today He who hung the earth upon the waters is hung upon the Cross (three times).
    He who is King of the angels is arrayed in a crown of thorns.
    He who wraps the heaven in clouds is wrapped in the purple of mockery.
    He who in Jordan set Adam free receives blows upon His face.
    The Bridegroom of the Church is transfixed with nails.
    The Son of the Virgin is pierced with a spear.
    We venerate Thy Passion, O Christ (three times).
    Show us also Thy glorious Resurrection.[39][40]

    During the service, all come forward to kiss the feet of Christ on the cross. After the Canon, a brief, moving hymn, The Wise Thief is chanted by singers who stand at the foot of the cross in the center of the nave. The service does not end with the First Hour, as usual, but with a special dismissal by the priest:

    May Christ our true God, Who for the salvation of the world endured spitting, and scourging, and buffeting, and the Cross, and death, through the intercessions of His most pure Mother, of our holy and God-bearing fathers, and of all the saints, have mercy on us and save us, for He is good and the Lover of mankind.

    The next day, in the forenoon on Friday, all gather again to pray the Royal Hours, a special expanded celebration of the Little Hours (including the First Hour, Third Hour, Sixth Hour, Ninth Hour and Typica) with the addition of scripture readings (Old Testament, Epistle and Gospel) and hymns about the Crucifixion at each of the Hours (some of the material from the previous night is repeated). This service is somewhat more festive in character, and derives its name of "Royal" from both the fact that the Hours are served with more solemnity than normal, commemorating Christ the King who humbled himself for the salvation of mankind, and also from the fact that this service was in the past attended by the Emperor and his court.

    The epitaphios ("winding sheet"), depicting the preparation of the body of Jesus for burialIn the afternoon, around 3 pm, all gather for the Vespers of the Taking-Down from the Cross, commemorating the Deposition from the Cross. The Gospel reading is a concatenation taken from all four of the Gospels. During the service, the body of Christ (the soma) is removed from the cross, as the words in the Gospel reading mention Joseph of Arimathea, wrapped in a linen shroud, and taken to the altar in the sanctuary. Near the end of the service an epitaphios or "winding sheet" (a cloth embroidered with the image of Christ prepared for burial) is carried in procession to a low table in the nave which represents the Tomb of Christ; it is often decorated with an abundance of flowers. The epitaphios itself represents the body of Jesus wrapped in a burial shroud, and is a roughly full-size cloth icon of the body of Christ. Then the priest may deliver a homily and everyone comes forward to venerate the epitaphios. In the Slavic practice, at the end of Vespers, Compline is immediately served, featuring a special Canon of the Crucifixion of our Lord and the Lamentation of the Most Holy Theotokos by Symeon the Logothete.

    On Friday night, the Matins of Holy and Great Saturday, a unique service known as The Lamentation at the Tomb (Epitáphios Thrēnos) is celebrated. This service is also sometimes called Jerusalem Matins. Much of the service takes place around the tomb of Christ in the center of the nave. A unique feature of the service is the chanting of the Lamentations or Praises (Enkōmia), which consist of verses chanted by the clergy interspersed between the verses of Psalm 119 (which is, by far, the longest psalm in the Bible). At the end of the Great Doxology, while the Trisagion is sung, the epitaphios is taken in procession around the outside the church, and is then returned to the tomb. Some churches observe the practice of holding the epitaphios at the door, above waist level, so the faithful most bow down under it as they come back into the church, symbolizing their entering into the death and resurrection of Christ. The epitaphios will lay in the tomb until the Paschal Service early Sunday morning. In most churches, the epitaphios is never left alone, but is accompanied 24 hours a day by a reader chanting from the Book of Psalms.[citation needed]

    The Troparion (hymn of the day) of Good Friday is:

    The noble Joseph, when he had taken down Thy most pure Body from the tree, wrapped it in fine linen, and anointed it with spices, and placed it in a new tomb.
    Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, both now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.
    The angel came to the myrrh-bearing women at the tomb and said:
    Myrrh is fitting for the dead, but Christ has shown Himself a stranger to corruption.

    The 1662 Book of Common Prayer did not specify a particular rite to be observed on Good Friday but local custom came to mandate an assortment of services, including the Seven Last Words from the Cross and a three-hour service consisting of Matins, Ante-communion (using the Reserved Sacrament in high church parishes) and Evensong. In recent times revised editions of the Prayer Book and Common Worship have re-introduced pre-Reformation forms of observance of Good Friday corresponding to those in today's Roman Catholic Church, with special nods to the rites that had been observed in the Church of England prior to the Henrican, Edwardian and Elizabethan reforms, including Creeping to the Cross.

    In Lutheran tradition from the 16th to the 20th century, Good Friday was the most important holiday, and abstention from all worldly works was expected. During that time, Lutheranism had no restrictions on the celebration of the Eucharist on Good Friday; on the contrary, it was a prime day on which to receive the Eucharist, and services were often accentuated by special music such as the St Matthew Passion by Lutheran Johann Sebastian Bach.

    Mid-20th century Lutheran liturgical practice moved away from the Eucharist celebrated on Good Friday, and among the major Lutheran bodies today, the Eucharist is not celebrated on Good Friday. Rather, it is celebrated on Maundy Thursday.

    Many other Protestant communities hold special services on this day as well. Moravians hold a Lovefeast on Good Friday as they receive Holy Communion on Maundy Thursday. The Methodist Church commemorates Good Friday with a service of worship, often based on the Seven Last Words from the Cross.[41][42] It is not uncommon for some communities to hold interdenominational services on Good Friday.

    Some Baptist,[43] Pentecostal, many Sabbatarian[44] and non-denominational churches oppose the observance of Good Friday, regarding it as a papist tradition, and instead observe the Crucifixion on Wednesday to coincide with the Jewish sacrifice of the Passover Lamb (which Christians believe is an Old Testament pointer to Jesus Christ). A Wednesday Crucifixion of Jesus Christ allows for Christ to be in the tomb ("heart of the earth") for three days and three nights as he told the Pharisees he would be (Matthew 12:40), rather than two nights and a day if he had died on a Friday.[45][46] There is some basis in this idea in the Gospel of John, which has Jesus crucified on a Thursday evening[citation needed] (14 Nisan on the Hebrew calendar) instead of the Friday morning found in the Synoptic Gospels.

    In many countries with a strong Christian tradition such as Australia, Bermuda, Brazil, Canada, the countries of the Caribbean, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Finland, Germany, Malta, Mexico, New Zealand,[47][48][49] Peru, the Philippines, Singapore, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and Venezuela, the day is observed as a public or federal holiday. In the United States, 11 states observe Good Friday as state holiday.

    In many English-speaking countries, hot cross buns are eaten and in many, such as Singapore, most shops are closed for the day and advertising from television and radio broadcasts is withdrawn to some degree.

    In Bermuda, kites are flown. They are often handmade with wooden sticks, colorful tissue paper, glue, and string. The shape of the kite and the use of wood is meant to symbolize the cross that Jesus died on. Also, the kite flying in the sky symbolizes his ascension to heaven.

    In Canada, banks and government offices (at all levels) and public sector businesses are closed, along with most private sector businesses, except in Quebec where government offices and schools are closed but the majority of private-sector businesses (except banks) remain open. Government regulated beer and liquor stores are also closed.

    In Hong Kong and Macau, all businesses and government offices are closed for a public holiday. Both SAR have a notable Christian population and have observed this holiday prior to their respective handover.

    See also Public holidays in Hong Kong and Public holidays in Macau.

    In India, Good Friday is a Central or Federal Government as well as a State Government holiday. The Stock Markets and banks are closed as it is regarded as a Negotiable Instruments Holiday. Some other businesses are also closed in states where Christians are in considerable numbers viz. Assam, Goa, and Kerala. The majority of business establishments remain open all over the country. Generally, all schools and colleges are closed in India on Good Friday.

    Good Friday intercessory prayers, AustriaIn Muslim-majority Indonesia, Good Friday is a national holiday. All government offices, schools and certain businesses are closed on Good Friday by law and many newspapers choose not to publish on this day. Public holiday is also observed in Singapore and in the Malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak.

    Ireland, a predominantly Catholic country, prohibits all alcohol from being sold on Good Friday. Section 10 of the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1962 introduced “area exemption orders” to allow the sale of alcohol for the special events that occur on the same day. Banks and public institutions are closed on this day but it is not an official bank holiday (i.e. public holiday), so many offices and other workplaces remain open. All pubs and many restaurants in Ireland close for the day – it is similar to Christmas Day in this regard. This tradition has come under criticism of late, with secular businesses claiming a loss in earnings by way of a religious festival.

    In France, Good Friday is only observed in the Departments that once belonged to Germany: Bas-Rhin, Haut-Rhin and Moselle, along with some overseas departments such as Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, and Réunion

    In Germany, comedic theatre performances and events which include public dancing are illegal on the day (although this restriction is enforced unevenly); cinemas and television are not affected, although many TV channels show religious material on the day. The enforcement of these rules even on non-Christians has met with increased opposition in the last decade.

    In Sweden, Denmark and Norway, Good Friday is a public holiday.

    Businesses and schools are closed on Good Friday, as well as some retail stores that either close all day, or half day.

    In South Africa, the government regulates the opening of businesses and entertainment outlets on this day (as with Christmas Day). All government offices, schools and certain businesses are closed on Good Friday by law. The buying and selling of alcohol is prohibited.

    In England and Wales, Good Friday is an official public holiday[50] (a.k.a. Bank Holiday). All schools are closed and most businesses treat it as a holiday for staff; however, many retail stores remain open.

    There is no horse racing on Good Friday in the UK. However, in 2008, betting shops opened for the first time on this day. The BBC has for many years introduced its 7 am News broadcast on Radio 4 on Good Friday with a verse from Isaac Watts' hymn "When I Survey the Wondrous Cross".

    In the United States Good Friday is not a government holiday at the federal level; however individual states and municipalities may observe the holiday. Good Friday is a state holiday in Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Indiana, Kentucky (half day), Louisiana, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, Tennessee and Texas (optional). State and local government offices and courts are closed, as well as some banks and postal offices in these states.

    Some private businesses and certain other institutions are closed on Good Friday. The financial market and stock market is closed on Good Friday. However, the vast majority of businesses are open either full or half day on Good Friday. The postal service operates, and banks regulated by the federal government do not close for Good Friday.

    Eastern Orthodox Christians are not supposed to eat at all on this day and the next, while the Catholic Church observes fasting and abstinence for this day as well as Ash Wednesday.

    Traditionally, Roman Catholics are to abstain from eating meat every Friday of the year as penance. In the US this is only a requirement during Fridays of Lent; during Fridays of the rest of the year, other methods of penance may be followed, for example an extra prayer or abstaining from something other than food. Many Roman Catholics (and members of the Protestant denominations as well) will eat fish and vegetables on Good Friday.

    Good Friday is the Friday before Easter, which is calculated differently in Eastern Christianity and Western Christianity (see Computus for details). Easter falls on the first Sunday following the Paschal Full Moon, the full moon on or after 21 March, taken to be the date of the vernal equinox. The Western calculation uses the Gregorian calendar, while the Eastern calculation uses the Julian calendar, whose 21 March now corresponds to the Gregorian calendar's 3 April. The calculations for identifying the date of the full moon also differ. See Easter Dating Method (Astronomical Society of South Australia).

    In Eastern Christianity, Easter can fall between March 22 and April 25 on Julian Calendar (thus between April 4 and May 8 in terms of the Gregorian calendar, during the period 1900 and 2099), so Good Friday can fall between March 20 and April 23, inclusive (or between April 2 and May 6 in terms of the Gregorian calendar). (See Easter.)



    I always seem to have a difficult time listening to David Wilcock. He is obviously quite intelligent - but I have problems with a lot of what he says. I won't itemize them - and I would probably lose if I debated him - but I always seem to get a bad case of the 'willies' when I watch and listen to him. The spontaneous genetic upgrade is an example. I am very wary of the 'upgrade'. Does this involve retaining male and female human physicality - or does it involve becoming reptilian hermaphrodites, who worship a reptilian queen? Sorry if that was off the wall - but there is some substance to that question (but not much - just about as much substance as 'transubstantiation'). I think we have a very poor understanding of who Jesus was, and is. I just have to read the Four Gospels, in light of all the esoteric stuff - and then think and do what makes sense to me. I highly recommend studying the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus, as a mental and spiritual exercise - even for those who are atheists or agnostics. Hell - a Satanist could benefit from reading them. I don't think they're perfect - but they are a theological milestone, rather than simply being a historical necessity. I have personally witnessed several supernatural events - including the invisible manipulation of physical objects - but I don't play supernatural games. For all I know - a demonic spirit named 'Chi' might be providing the unseen force on the 'other side'. I stick to halfhearted pseudointellectual research, and long walks with my dog. If I witness a ufo, strange occurrance, or other than human being - I just think 'sonofabitch' - and move on. What would happen if the people in the videos started talking about Jesus - and asked the Chi to identify themselves. Just a thought.

    I continue to be primarily interested in who owns and operates this solar system. I want to know who's here - and why. I wish to know exactly what is going on. I wish to know who has been screwing up this solar system for thousands of years. I wish to know what is going on throughout the universe - as it relates to that which is transpiring in this solar system. I wish for this solar system to be based upon the word 'RESPONSIBILITY'. I have suggested possible attractive transitional structures to place upon the foundation of 'RESPONSIBILITY' - but obviously, the details will be debated throughout all eternity. Infowar Without End - orthodoxymoron.

    Perhaps I need to start living in the year 2112 - and imagine an up and running Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. This might be quite difficult - but I think I'll give it a bloody go! I'm not sure if I should document my experiences and insights - here in the mists. Perhaps the less said - the better - at this point. Perhaps I have said enough already. Perhaps I need to go over and over and over what I have already placed in this thread - in the context of 2112. Would someone like to join me? I didn't think so - but hope springs eternal. Perhaps I'll just be my own little secret society of one! Secrecy is no problem, when it's only you! Perhaps I should leave what I'm thinking to the imagination of anyone who actually gives a r@ats @ss about the contents of this thread - and about the contents of my diseased imagination. I really don't wish to beg. Some of you know who I am - and where I live. I doubt that you'll ever wish to talk to me - but if you do - I'm not going anywhere - until the wall of water hits me - or until the greys take me away. I think things are really, really bad - but no one really seems to want to talk to me. Perhaps that will change - after all hell literally breaks loose. But on Christ the Solid Rock I Stand - and the Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail Against the True and Living Jesus Christ. Namaste and Godspeed.

    wingmanof light wrote:I never felt so dang insulted !!!!!

    For all I know - a demonic spirit named 'Chi'. Chi is energy you moron!!!! Its not a person or any entity!!!!

    I now understand why Jesus decided to do the Shepperd thing . Because to many are to stuck in sheep mode .help help me help me. i have to leave this is to restarted.
    every thing is evil you make stain proud. I take my leave of this forum your not worthy of my info.

    really grow up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    sheep sheep. everything is evil you will be hear for ever thinking that way.

    I do forgive you you do not know what you do...... Jesus said that I now understand.

    You were so nice at first - but now you're getting nasty! My apologies wingmanofwhatever. Should I have taken off my shoes and knelt - instead of telling a joke? Lately, I've been thinking of Jesus in Archangelic or Pharonic terms - rather than as a Simple Shepherd or as the Crucified Christ. I think it's fair game to ask what's behind the 'energy'. I certainly don't know what I'm doing - but I am doing the best I can - and I am heartbroken to learn that I am not worthy to be a humble student in the presence of a great teacher. Don't cast your pearls before the swine. They'll turn on you every time...

    I want to make it clear that I don't necessarily have a problem dealing with scales and tails or hybrid beings - but I have huge problems with enslavement, extermination, torture, manipulation, terrorisim, deception, etc, etc, etc. I've joked about visiting a Deep Underground Reptilian Monastery - but I think such a thing might really exist - and I really would visit one - if and only if - I would be treated with dignity and respect - and not be harmed in any way. I just want the evil and violence to flee this solar system. I realize that evil might very well be an abstract human construct - but I do think it is real and hideous.

    Anyway, I like the idea of a Latin Service which integrates the Music of Charles Marie Widor and the Teachings of Jesus into the Art Form of the Latin Mass - but without crucifixes, communion, or collections. I realize that's a lot to sacrifice. I have huge problems with the theology and history of the Roman Catholic Church - but I adore the art, architecture, music, pomp, circumstance, reverence, and awe. I just wish to see the whole operation cleaned-up and streamlined. I would like to see ecumenism on a grand scale - and at least a doubling of church attendance. I might even go back to church! I grew up SDA - but I have huge problems with the SDA church. I have huge problems with all churches. I realize they are all doing the best they can - but my idealism and esoteric research have led me astray - and not necessarily in a good way. I don't recommend leaving any church. Just keep researching, while you keep attending. I don't think attendance is redeeming in any way - but I think it is a useful spiritual and social discipline. I've simply decided to try to keep thinking of what an Ideal Roman Catholic Church would look like. I can't really attend presently - but I might in the future. I just worry that the Jesuits would figure me out real quick - and then go to work on me - in ways unique to that venerable order! I'll have to observe and criticize from a distance. It's easier that way! I don't have a problem with individual Roman Catholics - but I really have a bee in my bonnet to change this theocratic and heirarchical institution - especially regarding who I think gives orders to the orders - if you know what I mean...

    In a sense, I have a certain appreciation of the challenges facing the ruler of this world - because humanity does seem to be inherently problematic, especially regarding how I think we might've come into existence, and how we might've arrived at where we are today. But I have HUGE problems with the persecution, torture, war, terrorism, horrible doctrines, reprehensible political manipulation and corruption, etc, etc, etc. I just think we need to completely change the way business is done in this solar system. I haven't called in a Divine Strike of Fire and Brimstone - and I don't believe in Capital Retribution and Utter Destruction - but I do believe in Incarceration and Instruction. I really could be Bad-@$$ in a Non-Violent Manner. Nuff Said.

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    wingmanof light wrote: From where I sit you called chi demonic is the same as calling me demonic. I try to walk the center so I can be both nice or not. I chose to be nice the demonic is a button i like to take out. Not worthy???
    Or call chi the light of god.

    Yes we all are Worthy that's the problem. We had our DNA altered to make us as we are. Put negative influences and the self little doubting voice call Ego. We are Worthy we all are we been lied to born into bondage as you can find a all over . watch lots of stuff you will find the same thing.
    No the truth is coming and it be end of 2012 or before.

    Unless the creator is powerless to taker the negative out or he is leaving it Hear. Its one other the other.

    I didn't say that chi was demonic - but rather that supernatural occurrances should be closely examined and questioned - regarding their true source and nature. I do think there is a power struggle between good and evil - and that the human race seems to be prisoners of war. It doesn't seem as if the good side or the evil side are all-powerful - but the evil side seems to be in the driver's seat presently. I'm hoping that will change soon - but at what price??? I've talked a lot about Lucifer, the Queen of Heaven, and the God of This World - but are they all the same being - and do they act alone - or are they merely agents of the Universal Powers That Be? If it's US against the Local Opportunistic Evil Renegades - that's one thing. But if it's US against the Universe - we may be in more trouble than even the gods and goddesses can imagine. I have repeatedly called for the Universal Powers That Be to support a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - regardless of any Negative Human Karmic Debt or Original and Continuing Sin. I wish for Responsible Freedom to survive and thrive in this solar system - and that any universal concerns and grievances be reasonably and rationally dealt with in a non-violent manner. I don't think the sins of the past should be swept under the galactic rug - but I don't think the universe should involve itself in never-ending star wars and mass murder.

    A current theory of mine, is that Michael/Horus/Jesus was involved in the genetic experiment known as the creation of male and female human physicality - 600,000 years ago - and that this was in direct disobedience to the Universal Powers That Be - and that this resulted in the 600,000 year Gaian/Orion Star War in Heaven - between Reptilian Humanoids and Mammalian Humanoids - and that the Mammalian Humanoids (us) are being secretly ruled by the Reptilian Humanoids - and that we might be facing extermination, or a more severe enslavement than we are already under. In other words - we might've lost the war - and that we presently live in occupied territory as prisoners of war. That's what it feels like to me. This is a different take on things than is presented in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEEjnj5PeH8 My goal is for everyone to exist under Responsible Freedom - but this might be an unacceptable challenge to the sovereignty and authority of the Universal Powers That Be - so that even if it's a good idea, it might not be allowed to occur - and we might not be allowed to survive - at least in Human form. Jesus might be a Hostage/POW/Sacrifice of sorts - as the Archangelic Head of the Human Race - but that Michael/Horus/Jesus might be mostly disempowered, at this point. Jesus might be at the top of the Universal Fecal List - which might be why graven images of His crucified and bloody body are hanging on the walls of thousands of churches throughout the world - as a symbol of the defeat of the human race. Does the following video reveal what we were before we were human? Does it reveal what we have been struggling with for 600,000 years? Does it reveal what we will be after we are no longer human? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq1SgXIKI3U Just speculation, mind you. I so hope that I'm wrong...

    wingmanof light wrote: I don't believe in kings or queens. I think they are evil to say one is more powerful just because of a blood line. But really our sol is pure pure energy what ever it is that's what it is. the physical body is an illusion and this world.

    I believe in combining the royal and servant models in a merit-based (rather than bloodline-based) responsible constitutional representative republic - which might include Presidents, Popes, Kings, and Queens - and which maximizes responsible freedom.

    The thought this world is obsessed with the fiscal body. it keeps popping in there like its not real if nothing its real then that puts us like a starseed that came to help. go to the link So many of them talk the same its just not one meaning something is terribly wrong. I think most all you posted is pointing out all that is linked to the half truths.

    Human physicality is an amazing combination of evolution and creation - but it is often used in an irresponsible and ungrateful manner. I don't subscribe to 'nothing is real - nothing to get hung-up about - strawberry fields forever'.

    I believe this time In the now their is some bug guns in this world the creator sent hear to change this.I think believing in sin is an illusion all together. because if we are only pure energy and everything is manifested all this is put hear the veil to make us forget who we are to trap us . TO make us not feel worthy.

    I think there are a lot of terrestrials and extraterrestrials who are trying to save the world. I am very appreciative of their heroic and relentless efforts. I think sin is very real and destructive. We should feel good about ourselves - yet we should feel genuine sorrow for our irresponsible and destructive thoughts and behavior - sometimes known as 'sin'.

    Was watching a video and it mentioned atlantions was hear in the beginning their ship was shot down so they got stranded and built the pyramids to raise the vibration to get off. Dolores mentioned this and also a few others it mentioned more then once. so the listing to it its a common theme. All the big giants are nothing more then other civilizations tried to help and shot down to.

    Interesting theory. I think we might be a renegade civilization, fighting for survival and legitimacy - for at least 600,000 years. I don't think we have had a peaceful and happy history.

    Now hears the test. listen and read this whats your hart chakra say????? I get this often every time is why i belie it true. mine feels like sadden and if I think its time to set it right it fires right up.

    I haven't gotten into the whole chakra thing - and so I don't know much about it. Whatever works for you.

    Debating if government is actually doing the right thing.. You mentioned it to about might be in trouble. Ok what if their is a rule the creator has so they cant come hear?? if we suppress us for the reason if we are not advanced then no one would mess with us.

    It feels like the really big guns in the universe are mostly watching. I still think they might not like us - but since we are possibly relatives at the soul level - they are exercising restraint - rather than just exterminating us. I get the feeling that a lot of them would like to get rid of us - once and for all. Just more speculation.

    But what if that's what area 51 is about. keep the believe that's the story. Now I 100% sure we can manifest i done it to some degree a few time thoughts and such. If they tell us the worst case and we believe it we can actually make it worse. Like the radiation. If we believe its not hear we could actually make it go away. If we are human nothing more believe in how things are now then yes you may be right that we are in trouble.

    I think Area 51, Dulce, Pine Gap, etc. might be under non-human control - by beings who don't particularly like humans. Research 'Gizeh Intelligence'. There's not a lot out there in cyberspace - but I think these two words might be at the center of a lot of things. Again - it feels as though humanity is in the hot-seat, rather than the driver's-seat. More speculation.

    Now listen to the hart chakra and read this whats it do listen feel it ???? What if the option #3 is at play hear. God/creator the first of what ever you call him/her can and could and I think has done something. Jesus said it we can do greater things then he. and listening within I bet if we are as he said. In gods Image yes energetically look alike all sols energy bodies .the only hing different is the Body the shell the avatar body. Now you been doing it I been doing it every thing fits together all of it. I hitting the energy side and every thing attached. You traced a lot of info pointing to a one blood line keeping truth hidden.

    Michael/Horus/Jesus doesn't seem to be a bossy divinity on an ego trip. They seem to be very down to earth - and a combination of royalty/divinity/servanthood. I like your use of the word 'avatar' - and I love the movie 'Avatar'. Watch it again - and read between the lines. I think a lot of it applies to our predicament. What did James Cameron know - and when did he know it?

    I said it before. god has not helped us or has but not in the way we all like. Because once we get out of sheep mode and know what we actually are we can turn thing thing around on it head very fast. If the creator wanted to test us had leave us hear say tough love so if we get it then and only then we are worthy get get his gift to be just like him. We are created as is for a reason.

    If Michael/Horus/Jesus was deeply involved in the genetic engineering project aka 'The Creation' - and Micael became human - 600,000 years ago - rather than 2,000 years ago - Michael/Horus/Jesus might be in just as much (or more) trouble than the rest of us. I think we should consider ourselves to be gods and goddesses - with very small-case "g's". We should exhibit humble and dignified confidence - and kick @$$!

    If they wanted a race to be all the same and think all one way would they not have created robots to think all the same to do manual labor??? Or evil has enslaved us or tried to get back at the creator because they are just that evil.

    Perhaps the freedom exhibited by human beings is an innovation in this universe. Perhaps freedom is considered to be rebellion by the universal powers that be. Again, I request that the Universal Powers That Be support a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - on a trial-basis - and that all grievances be dealt with in a reasonable, rational, and non-violent manner. I have no idea what's really been going on over that past several million years. It could be really bad. I tend to think that it's been unthinkable.

    http://www.starseeds.net/

    http://www.starseeds.net/forum/topics/the-girl-who-says-all?id=2312030%3ATopic%3A720752&page=2#comments

    http://www.starseeds.net/forum/topics/helpful-convo-between-me-and

    If I could have anything I wanted - I'd probably choose to just keep doing what I'm doing - with perhaps some reasonable access to individuals and information. But I'd probably be happy to live in a room with a Cray - and live a very simple life - even if I could live high on the hog - so to speak. Once again, I need to just keep reviewing this thread. I really don't know that much about my own thread! When I review it, it's like reading it for the first time! Preparing me for a press-conference would be like reinventing the wheel. I got that line from the book 'Caveat' by Alexander Haig - regarding Ronald Reagan! I'm a much better thinker and communicator on the internet, than I am in real-life. But I do think that I could deliver a reasonably polished speech - with the help of a teleprompter and a microchip! When a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System becomes a reality - I'll just keep researching and posting on the internet. Just give me a Room with a Cray and a View. I really think that some of you might find a huge level of enlightenment from a repeated reading of this thread - including watching all of the linked material. Try it - and let me know how it goes. I'm going to spend less time posting, and more time reviewing and memorizing. Again - this thread is a multidisciplinary workout - which is the first step to becoming a DSSS (Doctor of Solar System Studies) - which is vastly superior to being a DDS (Double Dumb-$hit)! Listen to the sacred classical music links I have posted on the last few pages - while you research this thread. This is really a necessary combination. It won't really work if you don't do this. Please - somebody do this! Has anybody done this? I'd still like to know what you guys know about me. What do the secret-files say about me? Would FOIA information be of any use to me? My reincarnational history is what really interests me - and I won't do regression hypnosis. I just keep feeling that I might be a combination of the best and the worst - in thousands of incarnations - but who knows? You guys do - don't you? What did you know - when did you know it - and what did you do about it?

    SILENCE! GENIUS AT WORK!

    I had heard that Bin Laden was killed in the Tora Bora Campaign many years ago. Do we have conclusive proof that we killed Bin Laden yesterday? What if Bin Laden has been hiding out in an underground base? Just thought I'd ask! I think I need to examine my 'little list' in the context of Solar System Studies. I really like the term 'Solar System Studies'. This implies a multidisciplinary, big-picture approach to knowledge, which doesn't get bogged-down in politics, religion, conspiracy research, or esoteric studies. This might be a more balanced approach to what I have been attempting to deal with in a somewhat single-minded manner. What frustrates me in all of this is a lack of attention or compensation for something which must take years off one's life - because it is so abstract, hypothetical, controversial, and stressful.

    Should all of this be somehow turned into a business model - rather than being so high-minded and idealistic? Money talks - right? Is that why Lucifer has been so successful for so many thousands of years? But the human race has paid a very high price for sleeping with the Whore of Babylon. Was the fling really worth it? Sorry for being so direct - but I'm feeling as though the human race might not be ready to take the high road - and that redirecting efforts might be a waste of time. Someone please take issue with me on this point, and prove me wrong. Will the drive for fame, fortune, power, and pleasure always trump idealism? Will the corrupt always rule the stupid? The silence and even hostility on this thread have not been encouraging at all. Perhaps I should internalize my 'little list' and use it as my little business advantage - rather than trying to be some sort of a religious-nut evangelist for a minimalist church/state union which maximizes responsible freedom. I like what I have presented in this thread - but I am pessimistic regarding simply reasoning with both the elites and the general public. Perhaps I need to make my idealism a lot more pragmatic. I keep feeling hated - and I'm not sure exactly why. Perhaps I am too sensitive - and I feel that which I think others are feeling toward me. Actually, I don't think very many people (or other than people) know about or care about what I think or do. How do I take this thing to a more effective level? The bad-guys still seem to be the big winners.

    Should I start going to Mason meetings - and learn how to play the game? I've turned down a couple of invitations. But once again, how good is too good, in this irresponsible and corrupt world? Should I start a secret society based upon my 'little list'? Should I encourage the founding of a new order within the Roman Catholic Church - based upon this 'little list'? I'm a very strange kind of Protestant. I simultaneously attack and promote the Roman Catholic Church - and I'm not even a member! Should I start a church, based upon the 'little list'? Now that church would be highly infiltrated and subverted! Tax exemption would be an interesting struggle, wouldn't it? Some of you out there in cyberspace might wish to consider starting your own groups and organizations - based upon the 'little list'. I think this general concept is going to take a lot of time and effort to properly refine and apply. I so wish that Malachi Martin were still alive, so I could try to get his take on a synopsis of my ramblings. I tend to think that he would've rejected my proposed tampering with traditional theology, liturgy, and governance. I simply do not relish engaging in trench-warfare with the Roman Catholic Church. It doesn't really matter if I'm right or wrong. It would be so much easier to have the hierarchy onboard - right from the beginning. Fat chance - right?

    I'm also frustrated because I don't know what the important players in this solar system - really think. All of this continues to be a big guessing game. I think my posting is more brash and sarcastic than it would be if I weren't so frustrated and miserable. I really don't wish to be a reprobate pain in the @$$ - but when no one seems to listen or care - how am I supposed to feel, and what am I supposed to do? There really doesn't seem to be much of a future in saving the solar system. Tell me what you think. Pretty please. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to Alex Jones, and try to get all riled-up!

    OK, I got slightly agitated. The playing of the Birth-Certificate and Bin Laden Cards seem to have been done in such a sloppy manner that I fear desperation at the White House. I think the City States and the Underlying Invisible Powers That Be are becoming so exposed that I wouldn't be surprised at anything. I've been afraid for years - but I am really afraid now. This might be a good time for a lot of bad guys to switch sides - and avert Armageddon. I don't mean to be alarmist - but I think we might be on the brink of extinction. I wouldn't say this anywhere but on a small battle-hardened forum like this one...

    Namaste and have a nice day!


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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:54 pm

    What if my 'little list' were made even smaller?

    1. U.S. Constitution.

    2. Classical Music.

    3. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System.


    Would the St. Mary's Cathedral or Crystal Cathedral potential locations - combined with the smaller list - provide enough substance to facilitate a non-religious, yet spiritual, foundation for solar system governance? Does anyone see what I'm trying to think through? I'm trying to think out-loud, which is always a dangerous thing to do. The cathedral-setting combined with the inspiring music and ceremony (to be devised) would provide a grand and glorious context to conduct solar system discussions. I don't wish to exclude 'God' - but I certainly do not wish to end up with a harsh and persecutory theocratic dictatorship which is ruled by beings who hate human beings. Is the Mass too theologically problematic? Are there too many hard sayings in the Teachings of Jesus? I am so up-tight about this whole thing, that I can hardly stand it. The fact that no one will discuss any of this with me really angers me - and I'm not talking about the regulars on this forum. I'm talking about those who monitor this forum, and who are very capable of conversing with me on this subject. There is a brick wall of silence - and I get a strong feeling of scorn and condescension coming from the other side of that wall. Perhaps church should mostly consist of people entering the church whenever they choose - on any or all days of the week - and simply meditating or praying privately - sometimes with sacred music and counseling provided by musicians and clergy. I much prefer that environment anyway. I used to love to practice the pipe-organ and sing - in an empty church. That was always better than the formal services - for me anyway. If people wish to read the Words of Christ - so be it. I'm almost beginning to wish that I had never started to try and help in this regard. It really doesn't seem to be worth it. I suspect that we'll exterminate ourselves, and then we won't have to fight with each other any more.

    I still maintain that the governance issues connected with Roman Catholicism will need to be properly resolved, in order for Responsible Freedom to flourish in this solar system. It still feels as if we are prisoners of war, on death-row - and that the City States are controlled by forces which are not friendly toward humanity. I didn't think I'd ever be thinking like this - and I hate it - but I don't know what else to do. Governance without elegance and spirituality will be disastrous - but Theocratic Governance will be even worse. I think I'm going to have to work with the simplified list - in a non-Vatican setting - even though I can't think of a more grand setting to receive galactic dignitaries - than the Vatican. There's just too much baggage connected with this institution. But again, I don't wish to be in conflict with the Vatican. That would be a VERY unpleasant experience, to say the least. Good luck to you BIG SHOTS who wish to throw your weight around. I'll hold your coats - and clean up the mess. I don't mean to be shrill - but we don't seem to be civilized enough to engage in calm and rational discussion of the most important subjects. I leave you with the possibility of listening to all types of classical music - as you contemplate every conceivable possibility connected with a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. I'm going to abandon thinking about the Vatican - for now anyway. I doubt that they want me to think about them anyway. Actually, I doubt that they even know I exist. This fantasy-land is sort of fun - but sooner or later, you have to wake-up. The funny thing is that everyone wants to take over - so everyone cancels each other out! What a stupid mess this is! What morons we are! How the universe must laugh! This is so sad - that it's funny. I may or may not be back...


    THIS IS SO SAD - THAT IT'S ACTUALLY FUNNY!! WHAT IS HE DOING??

    The 'Jesus' topic is most fascinating - and for me anyway, it is the place to begin and end philosophical, ethical, psychological, exoteric, and esoteric research. But it might be quite difficult to properly impose historical texts upon contemporary society in a manner which maximizes responsible freedom. We have nearly seven billion problematic people living in a problematic world - and we have technology which can exterminate everyone in a matter of minutes. We have a HUGE problem - and we need to attempt to defuse this ticking time-bomb. This thread is my attempt to help do this. But I'm feeling really discouraged about the whole thing.

    Perhaps I should just keep working with the words Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - in a general sense - without becoming too detailed, specific, or dogmatic. What if the Vatican eventually became very similar to Washington D.C. - but with much more glory, grandeur, reverence, awe, and magnificence? Do you see my point? There would be soulcraft applied to the Washington D.C. model. In essence, Washington D.C. would be transplanted into Vatican City. Perhaps we don't need liturgical services at all - and that we should simply combine Classical Music with Brilliant Oratory - and call it 'good'.

    Perhaps I should consider a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - based upon the U.S. Constitution - but enlightend by the great philosophy, theology, art, architecture, music, science, literature, etc. of the world. Do you see my point? Toes are going to be stepped on - and people are going to be angry and confused - no matter what we do. I really don't think there is an easy way to deal with our problems. The idea is to have the Secret Government, the United Nations, the United States, and the Vatican - under one roof - and subject to the U.S. Constitution - in a completely open and non-corrupt Solar System Government - which is highly competent - with lots of pomp, circumstance, reverence and awe. Is this sort of thing possible? Wouldn't this just make everyone scream bloody murder - at least at first? Would such an arrangement have to be theocratically implemented? Would this defeat the intended purpose? Problems, problems, problems, and more problems...If the Vatican were based upon the U.S. Constitution - should politics and religion be discussed and voted on by the Congress and Senate? Imagine all of the nations of the solar system, all the races of the solar system, and all of the religions of the solar system - represented in a Vatican-Based United States of the Solar System!!!!! Should that be the ultimate goal???? But can you imagine the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth which would occur if this plan were announced in a press conference!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!! Imagine an up and running Vatican-Based United States of the Solar System in the year 2112!!!!!! 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q0Eyw3l3XM 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0F_6plYyTM&feature=related

    It would be interesting to see if any science fiction is based upon the idea of various alien civilizations or futuristic human civilizations being based upon the U.S. Constitution. This sort of thing should be modeled to death. In a sense, I am really modelling this idea here in the mists. It pays to really think things through, before doing a damn thing. It's easier that way. I'm going to conceptually transplant Washington D.C. into the confines of Vatican City - and call it 'The United States of the Solar System'. I'm sorry if this makes anyone angry - but I need to think this through - in public - despite the problems inherent in doing so. Please think this through with me. I'm really not trying to be a 'know it all'. I'm really trying to regain faith in my future, and in the future of this solar system. Once again - this is a test. This is only a test. Go back to your homes - and remain inside - until further notice. There is nothing to worry about. Everything is under control. Nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong, go wrong, go wrong go wr#$%... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw


    What if the U.S. Constitution and the Idealistic Vision of the Founders were treated as sort of a religion? What if there were a church based upon the U.S. Constitution? Both Church and State must be addressed when considering Solar System Governance. I like the idea of combining Solar System Studies with Solar System Governance to achieve a Solar System View, as opposed to a World View. This would be Solar System Multi-Disciplinariansim combined with Organized-Decentralism. Should the City States be controlled by a Secret Government headed by the Queen of Heaven and God of This World (one being or two?)? Do we simply need to replace a Questionable Secret Ruler with a Completely Uncorrupted Ruler? Should there be Two Secret Rulers (Christ and Satan?) and an Objective Mediatorial Referee? Are we really incapable of ruling ourselves? Is there a good side to the Secret Government? Who is really taking an objective look at all of this, without getting angry, and without trying to make other people angry or scared? I continue to simply wish to discuss all of this with others, rather than just talking to myself. On the other hand, I might be getting a mental and spiritual workout, which is second to none, by playing the part of the Lone Solar System Ranger or Solar System Super Man! It's a nasty job, but someone's gotta do it! This is more about being able to properly discuss SSG, than it is about simply choosing the right methodology, by accident or design. This is a HUGE subject, and I'm just scratching the surface. I am merely a rank amateur and a completely ignorant fool. There really needs to be a university department of Solar System Studies and Governance. Imagine having a PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance from Harvard or Yale! Perhaps ALL 10,000 representatives of the United States of the Solar System should have Doctorates in Solar System Studies and Governance. I think they should. They shouldn't just be a bunch of stupid nitwits with money and connections - who have sold their souls to you know who. This thread is part of my feeble attempt to move in the direction of University Level Solar System Studies and Governance. I haven't arrived. I've only just begun. My goal is to replace the New World Order with the New Solar System. Solar System Without End. Namaste.


    TYPICAL UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM REPRESENTATIVES

    Once again, consider the integration of 1. The Teachings of Jesus. 2. The Gregorian Chant. 3. The Music of Charles Marie Widor. 4. The Traditional Latin Mass. Then, consider dropping most of the excess-baggage, astrological-theology, paganism, stupid laws and rules, etc. - you know what I'm talking about. If there were a church which did Items 1-4 Seven Days a Week - with nothing beyond this - wouldn't this be sort of cool?! Wouldn't this be Minimalist Traditionalist? Would this be a Protestant or a Catholic church? I'm not a big fan of the various parts of the Liturgical Year - including Lent, Easter, and Christmas. Why have them at all? Why not simply have Items 1-4 Year Round - and nothing more than that? Weddings and Funerals could obviously be accomodated within Items 1-4. Once again - the fighting which would occur in connection with this proposal would be something to behold!! I love thinking about the Ideal Church - but the strife connected with actually trying to do this sort of thing would really test one's faith! Imagine Items 1-4 being implemented in a Roman Catholic Crystal Cathedral!!! Can you picture THAT!!! Imagine this sort of thing at St. Mary's Cathedral, San Francisco!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kja55GxolM More trouble and fighting!!!!! Could this sort of thing occur under the same roof with the United States of the Solar System? A whole helluva lot of trouble and fighting!!!!! Does the Substitutionary Atonement, the Sacrifice of the Mass, Sunday Sacredness, and Apostolic Succession really have a theological leg to stand on - especially when adhering strictly to the Teachings of Jesus? Really. Do some research with a Strong's Concordance - and see what you come up with. Now I've started WWIII!!! Will Vatican III = World War III???? I should stop.



    What if ALL of the music of Charles Marie Widor were choral music? What if SATB choir parts were written for all movements of the Widor Symphonies? If this hasn't already been done - it should be done. I love other composers - but regarding harmonizing with the Gregorian Chant and the Latin Mass - in the context of the cathedral - the music of Widor really seems to fit. I remember sitting behind the organ console at Grace Cathedral, listening to Lynn Davis (an American organist, living in Paris, at the time) play the Allegro Movement of Widor's Symphonie Number 6 - and being absolutely spelbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmjpkvXbyII&feature=related I can only play the first couple of pages of this difficult work! There is a lot of organ literature which doesn't fit liturgically - but which works quite well in a concert setting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBlf2zwRnlc I even spoke with Lynn Davis regarding hymn improvisation. When improvisation is properly performed - it ROCKS!!! Hearing Pierre Cochereau impovise at Grace Cathedral was unbelievable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rig6b-jogg&feature=related Attending a Marie-Claire Alain Master Class was a pinnacle musical experience - and now it is my supreme pleasure to introduce to you, from Paris, France - the Mademoiselle Marie-Claire Alain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ69_cgFwLk&feature=related I don't know why I didn't really pursue organ performance. (Probably a lack of talent, lack of ambition, and nerves.) I love to improvise - but I'm not very good at it!



    How do we rid the world of poverty, disease, war, and starvation? I tend to think that proper solar system governance is the answer to everything. If one picks away at individual problems without addressing the overall, big-picture problems - it's all for nought. Well not ALL - but mostly. I feel as though I am in a dark place - and that I am trying to break through into the light. I really think that the principles enunciated in this thread are that which will liberate the human race - in every conceivable way - which includes freedom from poverty, disease, war, and starvation. Perhaps this is a bit of an overstatement - but maybe not. Should we solve the solar system's problems in somewhat of a cold and calculating manner - without a lot of drama? Is the good side of Anna in 'V' a good model of leadership demeanor. I tend to think so. I just wish that I hadn't seen the bad and creepy side of Anna! The same goes for Kitesh aka Vala Mal Doran, and her daughter Adria - in Stargate SG-1. Even Amen Ra - in Stargate - has some leadership qualities which should be considered carefully. I am really torn regarding gods, goddesses, angels, archangels, authority, governance, etc. Perhaps I'm a dormant power-hungry, back-stabbing sonofabitch! It's a nasty job - but somebody's gotta do it!!! I continue to be fascinated by Ancient Reptilian and/or Hybrid Queens - and with what the modern manifestation of this phenomenon might be. Could very many of us really relate to a truly brilliant micro-deity who could converse on any topic in great detail - and be excruciatingly trenchant and to the point? Could we deal with thrones and flowing robes? Frankly - when I see Presidents and Popes - I'm not seeing People in Charge. I'm seeing Minions - plain and simple. I just wish I had the whole story about everything. I continue to fly blind - as I try to conceptualize how to fix this solar system. This is akin to a blind man performing neurosurgery. The problem is, if I were on the inside, I would probably either become corrupt or insane. Is the concept of a Solar System Divinity - who is powerful - but not all powerful - something which should be considered exhaustively? I continue to say that politics cannot be properly understood without understanding theology - and visa versa. We always sanctimoniously speak of the separation of church and state - but is this really possible - or even desirable? Do we simply need to achieve a proper church/state relationship which is completely non-corrupt and highly-competent? If one combines a crappy church with a crappy state - Well Guess What? It's not going to work - and people are going to be persecuted, tortured, and murdered. We need to simultaneously reform both church and state - and contemplate the role of both church and state in solar system governance. This is why I keep talking about the United States and the Vatican - and the possibility of an Idealized United States Model Operating Within the Vatican - but with the style and panache of the princes of the church - if you know what I mean. I have proposed a Minimalist Traditionalist Model of Theology and Liturgy. I have proposed that Governance be U.S. Constitutionally Based. I obviously don't have the details worked out - and this would be a helluva lot easier if SOMEONE WOULD TALK TO ME!!!


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    Re: Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:05 pm

    What's really happening on the Moon today? Who is really living on the Moon? Nazis? Dracs? Greys? Masons? Jesuits? Gizeh Intelligence? Ashtar Command? Pleiadians? World Government? Solar System Government? Annunaki? Forum Members??!! What would it be like to live on the Moon? What would one think of Earth if one lived on the Moon? Would I like to have my Room with a View and a Cray - on the Moon? Transportation and Rent would undoubtedly be prohibitively expensive - but I could place flat-screen computer monitors on the windows of my Messy Terrestrial Room Without a View or a Cray - to simulate living just about anywhere! When one is a nobody, who won't join the Masons - all you can do is engage in illusions of grandeur and adventure! I haven't thought about the USSS Namaste aka Phobos much lately - but perhaps I should continue that little adventure. I wouldn't mind interacting with all of those named above - but I have huge problems with the way business is being conducted on Earth - and probably throughout the solar system. One really can't get this sort of fantasy from reading or watching science fiction. It's really better to create your own science fiction - and mostly limit it to this solar system. I'm still liking the idea of Ivy League Doctoral Programs in Solar System Studies and Governance - as a prerequisite for participation in Solar System Governance. I would love to view the Prime Classified Volumes or Files Regarding the Most Important Solar System Information in Concise Form. You know what I mean. That sort of thing does exist. In the meantime, I have to read 'The Holy Tablets' and just wonder how much of it is true! I stalled in reading them - and I need to start again. Perhaps I'll do that today - while listening to Latin Masses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw Gregorian Chants 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQGBMl_CGQI&feature=related 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDhYGdK0KQg&NR=1 and the Music of Charles Marie Widor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp21CDCqC2g&feature=related You can laugh at me all you want - but I think I'm on the right track - in a very sloppy and shoddy manner. Is there a University of the Moon at Copernicus - with Undergraduate, Masters, and Doctoral Programs in Solar System Studies and Governance? If there isn't - there should be - and it should be open to all races and factions!!! How would you like to have a Draconian Reptilian Professor for your Reptilian Anatomy and Physiology class - using 'Grey's Anatomy'??!! I'm really not into all of the violence and creepiness in most science fiction. I would rather listen to people like Richard Hoagland and Joseph Farrell (and others) - and then extrapolate from their work into my own little Dream-Land - which could very well approximate reality. My thoughts are composites of fantasy and reality. I'm still very uncomfortable with this process. It does not have any financial compensation, and it is emotionally destabilizing. One certainly doesn't have anything to show for all of the emotional and spiritual disorientation and trauma. As I travel the solar system, I am going nowhere fast. Check this out! http://www.aliensonthemoon.com/websites/aliensonthemoon/forum/default.asp

    COPERNICUS CRATER. WHERE ARE ALL THE STARS?


    I have repeatedly expressed disgust and dissatisfaction regarding the history of the world - and regarding the hidden governance which seems to be behind a lot of the trouble - but what would I have done if I had been in the shoes of the hidden governor(s) of the world and solar system? What if it turns out that I had a lot to do with the historical problems? I am really haunted by not knowing the real-deal. Could someone conceivably be reincarnationally BOTH the best AND the worst? Could Jesus also be Hitler? Was Jesus as good as we think? Was Hitler as bad as we think? What if there is some overlap of the roles and deeds of Michael and Lucifer? What if they fought side by side, at some point in time? Sorry for the explosive questions - but I think we need to think through ALL possibilities. We're not very good at doing that sort of thing - are we? Could someone please slip me a 1,000 page classified file with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about the history of ALL of the beings within 1,000 light-years of Earth - over the past 1,000,000 Earth Years????? I think a lot of us are good, simply because we lack the opportunity to be bad. We might not be nearly as civilized as we think we are. Is there a legitimate reason why we seem to be living in a Prison Planet which sometimes seems like a Torture Chamber - and often feels like Death Row? I don't wish to be Rebellious Regarding Righteous Justice - but I also do not wish to be Submissive to Regressive and Demonic Tyranny and Enslavement. This might be an optimal time for the lies to stop - and for us to face the ugly truth, whether we like it, or not - and I'm frankly bracing for the worst. I have taken a non-committal, but very suspicious approach to the present Powers That Be - both visible and invisible. I continue to call for a changing of the guard in this solar system - but do I really understand what I'm asking for? They say to be careful what you ask for - because you just might get it. What if this world needs to be ruled by a hidden and ruthless dictator? Would a kind and loving supreme leader be the worst thing for this solar system? I tend to think that whoever the 'next guy, gal, or guy/gal - human or otherwise' might be - that they will have to be a lot like their despised predecessor - but without all of the corruption and violence - which seems to have been sanctioned and implemented at the highest levels. I am more torn-up about all of this than I could possibly describe. You have no idea what I think about - and fear. Might Azrael be somewhat like those who rule humanity? Might they have been authorized by those higher than themselves, to teach humanity (and the rest of the universe) a lesson? Just wondering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qAqwIW704 The horror. Viewer discretion highly advised for the following video clip from 'Dogma'. (Interesting points made with very poor taste.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-SJxJ6JNDY&feature=related Was Serendipity the Whore of Babylon? Who wrote the Bible? What did Azrael have to say about responsibility? The movie presented 'God' as being a funny and eccentric female - hidden in a male body - and not very talkative. You don't suppose? I think I've met 3 or 4 of the 'people' pictured below - but perhaps they were all one - merely figments of Serendipity's Musings. Serendipity really gave me something to think about...





    TENSE TOP-LEVEL SOLAR SYSTEM GOVERNANCE NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE ON PHOBOS AKA THE USSS NAMASTE


    I'm liking this three-point 'Minimalist Traditionalist' liturgical approach:

    1. Gregorian Chant.
    2. Music of Charles Marie Widor. Consider writing orchestral and choral parts for all of Widor's music - for the singing of words of Jesus in Latin!
    3. Latin Mass Focusing Upon the Teachings of Jesus - rather than the Human Sacrifice of Christ - with no communion.

    I'm liking this three-point 'Minimalist Traditionalist' church and state approach:

    1. Theology: Teachings of Jesus.
    2. Liturgy: Minimalist Traditionalist (3 parts listed above).
    3. Governance: U.S. Constitution.

    You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. Actually, I'd rather just lay down, and go to sleep.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0dgF-ef-iQ



    Some of you may be looking down your noses at me from lofty positions of power - so why not point out where I'm wrong? I'll gladly make corrections. Of course, when one is above it all, one doesn't have to fraternize with the goyim. Right?


    "SOLAR SYSTEM GOVERNANCE IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!!"

    Even though my efforts are mostly well-intentioned, I could see my New Solar System being hijacked by the bad guys and gals, in ways which I might not even be able to imagine. Perhaps this has happened before. Perhaps the New World Order should be given a chance to fail, before too much time and effort is expended upon an idealistic New Solar System - whether it resembles my fantasy or not. Timing is everything. But is the New World Order too big to fail? I've decided that happiness is no longer possible, for me at least. There are too many problems, and help doesn't appear to be on the way. Probably just the opposite. But this thread isn't about being happy. It's about the truth. Oh, I realize the truth is so overrated, but I plan to pursue it anyway. I also realize the truth should not be compartmentalized. It is necessary to take the time to see the big-picture, in order to gain an accurate and useful perception of reality. But, finally, I realize that this aspect of the truth is the most damaging to those who have the most to hide, and that they will fight to keep the skeletons hidden in the confessionals. So, don't run in the streets with signs and bullhorns too quickly. Wait a while. Think. Research. Think. Research. Think. Research. Think. Research. Think I'll Have Another Drink...



    IS THAT OSAMA HOLDING OBAMA'S BIRTH-CERTIFICATE AND THE WMD'S??? NO WONDER THEY COULDN'T FIND THEM!

    I don't know why I'm posting these. I started out looking for alien anatomy and physiology - and one thing led to another. I doubt that these images reflect reality. I consider them to be twisted art. I'm just sort of hitting a brick wall. I've tried to be reasonable and rational - with very little response. Is this what you want? I aim to please - but I think I made someone angry. I saw a bright point of light between the monitor and myself, my computer was attacked, and the computer fan is revving like a 757. I still just want to discuss positive solutions, which benefit all concerned, but very few wish to give me the time of day, let alone talk to me...


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