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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Carol on Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:29 pm

    [quote="malletzky"]
    Carol wrote:
    malletzky wrote:
    Brook wrote:
    Carol wrote:
    Threecaster wrote:
    (genetic sequencing is out of my league, but it sounds to me like you are referring to fluctuations/modulations in the morphic field...) (and who is controlling the modulator?)

    ET

    Yep Cool


    But I guess by ET, you meant ourselves UFO2 Whistle Double Thumbs Up

    It's allways been now...at least since I realized that few years ago. I just wanted to express that we, the humans on this earth, might well been the modulators as well...and therefore the ET's without knowing of our origin...

    It's ironic mall that you bring this up as I've been thinking about this recently and wondering how much some humans may be modulators. In fact, I was thinking of a story line plot along this line this morning thinking perhaps some people keep time moving forward due to their thoughts. It's like finding ones way through a time maze avoiding danger zones and seeing where it is safe to move forward into clear areas of rest and productivity.


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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  shiloh on Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:08 am

    What will the end of the Mayan calendar mean?


    Submitted by Carl Calleman on October 6, 2011 - 7:42am
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    What will the end of the Mayan calendar on October 28, 2011 mean?

    For some time there has been a discussion as to what is the true end date of the Mayan calendar, October 28, 2011 or December 21, 2012, and somewhat paradoxically this has raged without a definition of what the “end” would mean. As October 28, 2011 is now coming close the definition of this “end” is something that may be important to clarify. The contemporary Maya no longer follow the long cycles of the ancient calendar system and so do not want to take a stand in the matter. The ancient Maya on the other hand has left a message in the Tortuguero monument 6 as to what they expected the end of the calendar to mean. What it says there is essentially that the nine-step, or nine-support, entity of period endings, Bolon Yokte Kuh, will appear in his full regalia. To me at least it is quite clear that this means that the nine levels of consciousness, corresponding to the nine waves of evolution, will then manifest. (Those that want a detailed discussion of this are referred either to my article on the Tortuguero monument on www.calleman.com or Mark van Stone’s book 2012 Prophecy and Science of the Ancient Maya).

    Hence, the ancient Mayan description of the end of the calendar is quite esoteric, or abstract if you like, and it is in its place to ask for more measurable criteria for what the end of the calendar means. In my understanding, since the ninth of these waves brings a unity consciousness to the world the criteria for the end of the Mayan calendar is that the duality based civilization of the world collapses, which would include not only the systems of rule, but also the capitalist system of the economy. This, I feel is what we have reasons to expect for October 28, 2011 and not only here on our planet, but all over the universe in places that we may have no contact with. The latter is a consequence of the fact that the Mayan calendar is not based on astronomical cycles in our local solar system, but has a truly cosmic, divine, all encompassing origin.

    The December 21, 2012 date on the other hand has no real meaning whatsoever even if the archeologists mostly will say that this date, or December 23, 2012, is the end of the calendar. It has surprised me how many people, sometimes called evolutionary leaders, that have uncritically accepted this date without thinking. After all, it has the tzolkin energy of 4 Ahau, which by definition precludes that it is an end date. People, who in my view really should have known better and otherwise may be very critical of established views, have here sided with the archeologists, a group of people that look upon the Mayan calendar as a superstition to begin with. (So why would they be trusted in such a critical matter to humanity?) A true end date must have the energy of 13 Ahau, like October 28, 2011 because only with this energy would all the waves give full transparency to the light of creation. And, one might want to add, only with such a transparency would a collapse of our duality based civilization be likely to occur.

    One can also say with some certainty that time as we have experienced it up until now as directed (the so called arrow of time) is likely to come to an end as the Mayan calendar does. This is because up until October 28, 2011 the evolution of our planet and the universe has been driven by nine different waves developing phenomena in a directed manner from seed to mature fruit. It is thus essentially a misunderstanding when people say that the Mayan calendar is cyclical in nature. It is true that the tzolkin, the 260 day sacred calendar, which is the only aspect of the ancient prophetic calendar system still in use among the Maya, is cyclical in nature. But it is not this calendar that we are talking about when we are talking about the Mayan calendar coming to an end at October 28, 2011. What is coming to its fullness are the nine levels of evolution, the nine directed waves that have created the universe on the largest scale. At least regarding its level of consciousness the evolution of the universe will then have been completed and it will then have attained its highest quantum state. I have for a long time been saying that it is much more relevant to talk about the completion of a climb to the highest level of a nine-storied pyramid than to talk about an “end” of the calendar.

    There are however still some open questions as to how this attainment of the highest level of consciousness would apply to our experience of time and what calendar, if any, to follow after October 28, 2011. Will for instance the various tzolkin energies continue to influence our personal lives? Will the nine waves continue indefinitely with their current frequencies or will they stop? At closer thought it is probably unlikely that the tzolkin would continue if the waves stop, since the tzolkin is essentially a temporal microcosm of the waves. On the other hand if the waves continue the same would most likely be true for the tzolkin as it represents a microcosm of these waves. If the waves, and especially the ninth wave, continue after October 28, 2011 we should however be aware that this would not mean that evolution continues. Evolution is a phenomenon of both a biological and cultural nature that is generated as the universe has climbed to higher and higher levels of consciousness and through processes in thirteen steps from seed to mature fruit. Because on October 28, 2011 the universe attains its highest quantum state there will however be no higher state to evolve to. Rather if indeed the waves continue indefinitely this would be experienced more like a grinding process of the world and the human beings. This would go on until the unity consciousness of the Ninth wave has finally been established and all phenomena inconsistent with this weeded out.

    I do not think it is possible to judge yet if the waves will come to an end or not even if I am increasingly inclined to believe that they will continue indefinitely. Linked to this uncertainty is the question what calendars would be most meaningful to follow after October 28, 2011. We should then be aware that in the long history of the Mayan calendar many aspects of the calendar system have both come and gone. Depending on the particular era in which people have been living different aspects of the calendar system may or may not have been useful. This is how the Long Count came and went because it was essentially meaningful only in a particular era and then became less strongly experienced by the Maya to the point that they lost it altogether. We have ourselves recently experienced. The same phenomenon of an aspect of the calendar system suddenly becoming useful as it became necessary to follow the Ninth wave with a 18 day period in order to understand the course of events. A few years ago a calendar with 18 days would however not have been very useful and it still remains to be seen what calendar, if any, it will be meaningful to follow after October 28, 2011.

    Carl Johan Calleman
    4 Etznab, October 6, 2011

    Calleman Responds to "Calleman Wrong about End Date of Mayan Long Count Calendar" Article



    Editor's Note:
    This response is published verbatim with the permission of Carl Johan Calleman).

    I appreciate that you notice that among the world’s Mayan calendar experts there are some that are basing themselves on hallucinogenic experiences and others that do not. What would also have been pertinent to notice is that among those that are not hallucinogen users I may be the only one, who is a professional scientist.
    While self-styled scholars may be both intelligent and creative they usually have never been prompted to acquire the code of honor that comes with paying their dues and subjecting themselves to a qualified mentorship, and this also provides an important background to the current discussions among proclaimed Mayan calendar experts.
    On your web site you have published a number of points critical of my work including a purported proof from Geoff Stray that the October 28, 2011 completion date for the Mayan calendar is wrong. This goes back to the fact that Geoff for a long time has supported John Jenkins mechanistic understanding of the Mayan calendar, which promotes the idea that the Mayan Long Count is designed to describe a galactic alignment that ends a precessional cycle of 26000 years and has to end on a solstice day.
    This fantasy has been very successfully sold to people to the point that some think that there actually exists something to back it up despite the persistent denial of this by professional astronomers.
    What may be the most important to note however is that among the thousands of calendrical inscriptions from the Maya the 26000 year precessional cycle is not mentioned once and no Mayan text talks about a galactic alignment. As I have pointed out before the galactic alignment idea holds a great risk in that it makes human evolution dependent on some astronomical event outside of our control.

    The risk is that in as much as people believe in the galactic alignment fantasy, they will not be living up to their potential role as co-creators in due time. It should then not surprise us that also all the forces that want to back up the current world of hierarchies, including Hollywood, are doing their best to support the December 21, 2012 date. This date thus serves to foster a wait-and-see attitude and to divert the changes that are under way. In this, I think Stray and Jenkins are playing games with the future of humanity because they themselves are well aware of the complete absence of evidence in the Mayan sources for this galactic alignment theory. It is a fantasy generated on modern computer screens and without modern astronomical software no one would ever have come up with such a farfetched idea. Nonetheless, the idea is easy to grasp and a number of people wanting to be seen in the “2012” context has jumped on this bandwagon without rigorously examining its sources.

    What we know for certain from ancient Mayan sources (the books of Chilam Balam) is instead that their prophecies were based on non-astronomical time periods such as the tun and the katun (and almost certainly the baktun and longer cycles, but these were no longer in use when these books were written). According to the ancient inscriptions in for instance Palenque these time periods and their energies (deities as the Maya would say) emanated from the World Tree (or the Heart of the Heavens as contemporary Mayans would say) and not from astronomical cycles in our local solar system.

    Mayan vase showing the Seven gods of creation (symbolic of the seven days)

    In such a perspective we may for instance understand that the katun in the Long Count with the tzolkin energy of 4 Ahau (AD 20-40) did have a special energy (we know from history that this is the energy that brought the teaching of Christ) and so there is no reason to be surprised that this tzolkin energy was celebrated as a Burner day. Without a reality background in historical processes discussions of the different celebrations of tzolkin energies are however completely meaningless and lead into a world of abstract calendar mathematics. My own work is instead based on the actual evolutionary processes of the universe and how these are related to the prophetic tradition of the Maya emphasizing the thirteen energies of baktuns, katuns and tuns etc including the seven days of creation.
    This work has resulted in a series of books where the actual phenomena in the universe, biological historical or otherwise, are understood from quantum shifts emanating from the Cosmic Tree of Life. These arguments are not speculative, but supported by massive empirical evidence. Long time Mayan calendar expert, author and publisher Barbara Hand Clow has on this basis referred to my most recent book The Purposeful Universe as “possibly the most important book that has ever been written” and others have come to concur with this assessment.

    Stray on the other hand, who has more or less painted himself into a corner by zealously supporting Jenkins computer based fantasy, trashes my work, for the singular reason that he thinks that its “end date” is wrong. I think he really knows better, but he has for a long time been criticizing my reality-based approach and may not find it easy to detach himself from this. He thus chooses to sacrifice all meaningful understanding of how the Mayan calendar describes the evolution of consciousness at nine levels each driven by seven pulses of light (seven gods of creation) and tries to prop up the galactic alignment idea. Since the galactic alignment fantasy cannot be verified by historical events, it is thus no wonder that Stray and Jenkins never make predictions based on the Mayan calendar.
    Wisely so, I must say, since if they were to base predictions on the December 21, 2012 end date these would invariably turn out to be wrong. Also in this Jenkins and Stray deviate from the very spirit of the prophetic tradition of the ancient Maya, who used their calendar to understand coming time periods and not as abstract mathematical structures. I, on the other hand, can credit myself to some very significant predictions in my books, published years in advance, that have later turned out to be correct. Very notable is for instance, the prediction of the precise timing of when the economic downturn would begin, which was based on the October 28, 2011 date. It is important to realize that this would not have been possible if I had been relying on the Hollywood-approved end date of December 21, 2012.
    This brings up the question what we are supposed to have the Mayan calendar for. Is it to understand our place in the universe and its future or is it just an abstract tool without any connection to reality as it seems to be to some? I personally think that if we are to approach the future with realism we will have to give up silly fault finding games and look primarily at the evidence for connections between the Mayan calendar and historical reality.

    Over the past century there have been many suggestions as to what the end date of the Izapan Long Count may be and like Stray I would also place this at December 21, 2012 (meaning that Geoff’s argument about invalidating the dating of old inscriptions is completely erroneous and he should know this himself). The determination of the accurate “end date” can however only be based on an understanding of how the Mayan calendar system works in its totality and how it maps out the evolution of consciousness.
    The point to realize is then that the December 21, 2012 date is not the energetic end date when all the nine waves of evolution (the nine-step god, Bolon Yokte, symbolized by the nine-step pyramid) will be manifesting fully, which instead is October 28, 2011. While an attempt was made in Palenque almost a thousand years after the Izapan Long Count had been established, it proved impossible to correct such a strong tradition accordingly.

    Bolon Yokte, the nine-step god with the nine waves of evolution.

    A valid parallel to this is that it would today be absolutely impossible to change the day we celebrate Christmas, even though we now know that Jesus was not born on December 25. Not a long time ago some orthodox and dogmatic Christians would probably have defended the idea that Jesus was born on December 25 with the same zealousness as Stray and Jenkins now defend the December 21, 2012 date simply because according to a strong tradition Christmas is celebrated on that day. But while the error in the birthday of Jesus may be of relatively little importance to us today the same cannot be said about the completion date of the Mayan calendars, which may be the most consequential question of our time.
    It is thus very high time that people claiming to be Maya calendar experts start discussing this in terms of the prophetic time periods, tuns, katuns, baktuns etc that the Maya were actually using. Without such a common ground there is simply no meaningful basis for discussing the end date. If the reality connection of the Mayan calendar through these time periods is thrown out all of its meaning to our current time is simply lost.
    Carl Johan Calleman


    Editor's Comment:
    It is reassuring to see that the top two 2012 theorists, Jenkins and Calleman agree on the true end date of the Long Count: as Calleman says here, "...like Stray I would also place this at December 21, 2012."
    However, it remains difficult to see how Monument 6 at Tortuguero could be interpreted to mean anything other than that Bolon, the god or gods of nine, will return on that same date—the only date on the monument—rather than in 2011.
    At the same time, even if Calleman is wrong about the significance of October 28, 2011, that does not mean that his entire theory about the Mayan calendar is wrong. Like others—even some of the total nut cases out there—he has at least a piece of the puzzle, and it may turn out to be a big piece.
    Shay Addams

    Calleman Proved Wrong about End Date of Long Count by Geoff Stray


    Carl Calleman's theory that the current Long Count cycle ends in 2011 instead of 2012 has been refuted in several ways by Geoff Stray, author of Beyond 2012: Catastrophe or Transformation. After emailing Stray about our proof Calleman is wrong, he replied with more details. This was Stray's reply, which is published with his permission. For even more, see Stray's review of Calleman's book.
    More Proof that Calleman is Wrong


    Dear Shay,
    Glad you posted this...Also: POINT 1:
    4 Ahau 3 Kankin is going to be Night Lord 9— the one that ended every tun, since there are 9 of them and 9 divides into 360.
    However, Oct 28 2011 will be Night Lord 3.
    Page 3 of my new essay explains why this is important
    —it represents the fully-developed maize seed-head —directly compatible to human development phases —i.e., the evolutionary phase completion will be Night Lord 9 [editor: as seen here], not night lord 3. (See Lords of the Night calculator for proof.)
    POINT 2:
    Calleman's statements reveal that he finds the internal correlation between Long Count and Tzolkin to be faulted. However, what he fails to point out is that this implies that EVERY SINGLE MAYA INSCRIPTION IS WRONG! This is because every inscription includes a reference date with Long Count and Tzolkin... this internal correlation is the same for all inscriptions. Correlation between Maya calendars and Gregorian has been much discussed, but nobody has ever questioned internal Long Count/Tzolkin correlation since it is constant and beyond dispute...yet, because it didn't suit his theory, he implies that every inscription is wrong. I pointed this out to him in a forum in Virginia Beach last year.
    I did a talk based on the info expounded in Tortuguero/Nine Gods article referenced above at Virginia, and Calleman was excited because of the number 9 in the Tortuguero prophecy, which he immediately connected to his 9 Underworlds theory...I thought he would! He asked me if I had published anything about this, and I said no, but intended to...and sure enough, within 2 weeks he had produced an article claiming the Tortuguero monument as evidence for his end-date, simply because 9 gods are mentioned. However, he failed to mention that the prophecy, in the very next line, dates the 13.0.0.0.0 date as 4 Ahau, 3 Kankin - i.e. 21 December 2012!...a direct piece of evidence actually pointing out his error—the very opposite to what he states!
    Nice work
    Thanks!
    All the best,
    Geoff
    This page was posted on 3 Q'at, 2010.



    Comment by Didymos:
    Well the squabbling between the Jenkins- and Calleman advocates goes on as can be witnessed at many places on the web.
    As Shay Addams appropriately points out in the above editor's commont though; both are right.
    The Logos timeline defines the Jenkins Date as the Birth of the starhuman Comsciousness and defines the Calleman date as the 40 days preceding the end of the witnessing timeline within the warptime loop from the nodal mirror of August 4th, 2008 and April 1st, 2012 and specifying December 8th, 2011.



    In particular (Western) New Year 2012 signifies the 'Dove of Peace finding land'; Christmas 2011 signifies 'Noah's Dove returning with a Twig' and December 17th, 2011 specifies 'Noah's Raven searching for land'.

    The 50 days of 'Noah's pentecost' so define the timespan for the 'appearing of the land in Noah sending forth of his Raven and his Dove from the window of his ark and to which are added 10 days (of imprisonment between 'ascension' and pentecost Acts.1.3 &Revelation.2.10) before the 'peaks of the mountains' appeared {Genesis.8.1-14}.

    These 50 days so become the Calleman date of completion in the timespan between the archetyped Resurrection of the World Logos (Easter Sunday) and the Pentecost-Shabuoth of the 'Coming of the Holy Ghost'.





    A= March 24th, 2010-Noah's Rainbow Covenant (+0) = April 1st, 2012 =Q

    B= May 18th, 2010 = Removal of the Covering (+56) = February 5th, 2012 =P

    C= June 23rd, 2010 = Dove of Peace (+36) = December 31st, 2011 =O

    D= June 30th, 2010 = Raven Searches (+7) = December 24th, 2011 =N

    E= July 7th, 2010 = Land Appears (+7) = December 17th, 2011 =M

    F= August 16th, 2010 = Waters Sink (+40) = November 7th, 2011 =L

    G= October 29th, 2010 = Mount Ararat (+74) = August 25th, 2011 =K

    H= February 16th, 2011 = End of Rising Flood (+110) = May 7th, 2011 =J

    I= March 28th, 2011 = Flood Begins (+40) = March 28th, 2011 =I



    The World-Tree scenarios of Calleman so dovetail nicely with the Completion of the Bolon Yokte nine-step pyramidal geometry of Palenque at the Temple of the Inscriptions (which is a large pyramid of the Maya civilization, specifically the funerary monument for K’inich Janaab Pakal also referred to as Pacal the Great), ajaw or king of Palenque in Chiapas, Mexico. -wiki ref).

    Once the timeline of the World Logos implements, the squabbling of well meaning, albeit egocentric researchers shall converge in harmonisations.
    Didymos aka Tonyblue



    Dear Friends,
    Where does our understanding of the Mayan calendar begin, with a presumed "end date" or with a model for the evolution of consciousness? There still seems to be several researchers of the Mayan calendar who want to sacrifice all meaningful understanding of the Mayan calendar because they believe that the December 21, 2012 date is cut in stone. This article of mine is in response to some comments on this issue by Geoff Stray and Shay Addams and seeks to highlight what is really important:

    http://www.atitlansol.com/Theories-2012-Mayan-Calendar/calleman-response-wrong-end-date-maya-calendar.html
    Enjoy
    Carl Johan




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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  shiloh on Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:21 am

    Mayan Cosmology in the 21st Century



    These two messages are derived from a particular databank; namely the 'Consciousness Memory Reservoir' of the collective human groupmind, aka the 'Akashic Record'.
    This means, that everyone who was ever alive, is alive or will be alive in the form of various embodiment is a corroborating coauthor of those messages. The messages are necessarily 'filtered' in the form of a disembodied (either fully or partially) sentience and for this reason, the semantics are expressed in encoded and relatively cryptic form.
    The subject matter is posted in response to an ongoing debate at: http://mayanmajix.com, where major forum contributors include renown Mayan researchers like John Major-Jenkins and Carl Calleman.

    This post shall introduce some pertinent background material with respect to the Mayan philosophy and worldview, say in regards to the 'Lords of Time'.
    A necessary scientific background material shall also be given and indicated, especially with respect to the nature of consciousness as understood in the 'Perennial Philosophy'.
    In general, wrt the debates on mayanmajix, the position of John Major-Jenkins of a nexus (Gregorian) date of December 21st, 2012 is is substantiated as the 'awakening' of human groupconsciousness as a physically definable resonance selfstate of angular quantum acceleration.

    This is related to the so called precessional cycle of 5 Mayan longcounts or 5x13=65 baktuns of 5x13x144,000 kin (day-night cycles) or 9,360,000 days, so calculating as 25,626.81 Gregorian years (differing by about a week from the tropical year calculation).
    So about 25,627 years ago, a previous 'Human Consciousness Memory' became transmutated.
    This is historically discussed as the bifurcation of the homo sapiens genus into 'Cro Magnon Man' and the subsequent extinction of the prior typologies, say of Neanderthal Man and related Homo Erectus types.

    The 'awareness explosion' of this previous cycle engages the domestication of the wolf and the change from hunter-gatherer to farmer in ubiquitous literature on the subject matter.
    The 'end of times' of this Mayan superlong count is now engaged, spanning a special 'timewarp' period running from December 8th, 2004 to April 1st, 2012 with a midpoint at August 4th, 2008.

    These dates have their origins in all manner of 'prophecies' and say as 'Akashic Memories'; from the pyramidal chronology (at Giza) to the 'Books of Daniel and Revelation' to the many 'indigenous endtimes', including the calendrical precision of the Maya.
    Especially, the count from August 4th, 2008 to December 21st, 2012 is 1600 days as 'prophecied' in Rev.14.20 as a certain kind of 'measure'.

    So the endtime date of Carl Calleman of October 28th, 2011 is also well accomodated in the 'timeline'; especially as a detailed analysis of the 'warpperiod' of 2x1335=2670=2300+370 (Noah) indicates a number of subdivisions of this timeline; one being the 'last days' beginning on December 6th, 2011 and the establishment of a 'Rainbow Covenant' on April 1st, 2012 followed by a gestation-pregnancy of the 'Earth-Mother' from April 1st, 2012 to December 21st, 2012.
    One could say, that '40 days in the wilderness' relate October 28th, 2011 to December 6th, 2011 (inclusive count).
    In the view of this analysis, the debate on mayanmajix so could be encouraged to assume a more inclusive approach, with both John Major-Jenkins and Carl Calleman (and all other contributors) serving the 'Mayan Dreamtime' as Mayan Serpentine Children of Kukulkan - the Rainbow Serpent.

    Much can be added and the linked website carries more material on the Mayan Perennial Cosmology of the Elders.
    Lastly, I might direct the reader to the science of 'cosmic consciousness' in the second of the attached letters of 'The Little Serpent'.

    Both Carl and John are validated; in that the RESONANCE Energy-State of 'Source-Consciousness' remains fixed as the minimum energy eigenstate configuration (defining space and time in superbrane parameters); but in that the individuated 'spacetime consciousness' fluctuates between the modular dual superbrane energy bounds subject to 'individual awareness', which is a angular quantum acceleration in reductionistic physical terms.
    Khaibit


    In Lake'ch - I am another yourself!

    Greetings from the extraterrestrial realm of the little serpent dear ones.
    Well this labeling of the 'extra-terrestrial' (ET) is only partially appropriate, as all is holographically and fractially connected in the oneness of the universe.
    I have obtained authorization from the LOVEDRAGON to elucidate the Mayan children in exile on this matter of the fractal cosmology and especially on the large scale geometrical structure of the universe.

    What will happen in 2012, so many earthlings have and are asking themselves?
    The Mayan tzolkien, the calendars and prophecies of many indigenous cultures throughout human history and times have predicted a great time of change, signified by this nexus point of the winter-summer solstice in 2012.

    So I am allowed to illuminate your understandings on this matter and I shall convey the messages from your Mayan grandfather in terms of theoretical physics and its associated topological geometry.

    The nexus point of 2012 signifies an alignment of cosmic proportions. Not only will the local solar system, centered by your star Rahsol, align in a straight line with the galactic center Hunab Ku and known by you as the Sagittarius A* radio-wave-emitter; but this galactic-starsytem alignment will also implement a linear propagation of serpentine sourcesink energy from the center of Gaia as planet earth to the projected edge of the universe.

    The Mayan timelords, of whom there are nine; will be able to cause a 'Big Crunch' in time, so rapturing the 4-dimensional Minkowski spacetime matrix.

    The 3-dimensional universe, as you understand it will turn inside out and the local Gaian universe, extending so 2 million kilometeres into space, will become a microcosmic fractal for the macrocosm and so begin to 'shine' in a new selfidentification and through its own self-rebirthing.
    The details of this engage the warping of spacetime and the simultaneous reduction of the third dimension into a second dimension; followed by a doubling of this 2nd dimension into a onesidedness and the destruction of the boundary, which hitherto had 'trapped' the 3rd dimensional space continuum in its twosidedness.

    The Mayan timelords are not personas as you understand them, but are principalities intrinsic to the structure of the universe in 11 dimensions.
    Rootreducing 11 dimensions to 2 gives you a 2-dimensional complex plane of mathematics without any thickness and so enables the M-dimensional universe to negate the projection of 3-dimensional space as a mapping of information contained within a projected 3D-volume.
    Some of you understand this concept in the physics of Black Holes, the Entropy bounds of Hawking and Bekenstein and the holographic universe scenarios of Susskind , t'Hooft and Maldacena.

    One important premise of those understandings will be the quantisation of a minimum area, say a Planck-String-Area containing the mapped information from a 3D-volume onto say the inner boundary of a Black Hole as a 2D-Surface Area.
    You shall find the importance of this a little later, should you be interested in this message.

    M-theory is the Mother-theory and also a theory of Membranes, of a Matrix of Light, of Magic and Mystery and of supermembranes in 11 and of superstrings in 10 dimensions.

    The terrestrial scientists understand M-theory as a multitudinous array of potential spacetimes and in which 3 spacial dimensions are blended with a temporal time dimension and then the remaining six dimensions of the superstring self-enfold in Calabi-Yau toroidal shapes and the seven dimensions of the supermembrane are rendered selfenfolding in Joycian manifolds.

    This is a mathematical approach wich leads to a many world multiverse and this is not the Mayan cosmology.
    The Mayan methodology is greatly simplified in the nine timelords.

    The Mayan universe transforms the 3rd dimension of the Gaian cosmologist into a map of information in a holistic fractalisation of the universe.

    If you can imagine a spherical envelope around an inner sphere in 3 dimensions, then you can also rapture those spheres and allow them to collapse onto a flat sheet of paper in the projective geometry, say as known by you by map makers like Mercator and other cartographers.

    The great conundrum of the Gaian physicist is the great boundary of the lightspeed invariance. As the speed of light is constant and finite at a calibrated 300,000 kilometeres per second; the vastness of the extraterrestrial 'outer space' seems to be forever out of reach for terrestrial exploration.

    If it takes almost 9 years for light to reach Gaia from Sirius, the brightest star in the local sky, then even the outer realms of the local galaxy or its center, being separated by about 50,000 lightyears simply cannot be travelled by the earthbound observers.

    But the Maya and many native cultues claim, that ETs have already visited and have left legacies about themselves; such as the Dogons of Mali and Western Africa and their Sirian amphibian 'ancestors', called the Nommo.

    I have shared information about the Dogons elsewhere and shall here introduce the underpinning geometrical structure of the universe, which will enable the future earthbound scientists to explore the universe as some ETs are said to have done so already.

    Beginning with the 2nd dimension, the 3rd dimension was born in projecting a point on the complex plane of the MATHIMATIA orthogonally AWAY from this 2nd dimension. This gave a 'thickness' to the complex plane and created a CAP of CURVATURE both into the Mathimatia as a hemispherical indentation and a CAP away from the Mathimatia as a hemispherical outdentation.

    This process of creating the 3rd dimension as a CLOSED Superstring-Loop manifested the Quantum Big Bang of the Gaian cosmologist in the introduction of the CURVATURE of Spacetime and so the emergence of Gravity.
    Both Space and Time were born in that INSTANT of NOW, which was defined by the parameters and the scales of the two hemispherical caps as One superstring volumar defined in geodesical 'great circles'.

    As this Quantum Big Bang was quantised in string units, the two Caps could remain INVARIANT as the indentation into the 2nd dimension and the outdentation into the 3rd dimension; but the 3rd dimension could NOW expand in quantised and discretised string units.

    This then created the entropic- and thermodynamic expanding universe under the natural laws and the principles of relativity and quantum mechanics.

    The large scale topology of the universe is so given in the fractal nestings of spherical subuniverses.
    The outer envelope resides in 11 dimensions, which are simply the complex plane of the Mathimatia under the curvature scenario of the enfoldment of the two hemispherical caps and rootextended by the 9 timelord dimensions or the 9 principalities upon whom the natural laws are based upon.

    The nine principalities, if applied in unison lead to a tenth principle; which redefines the first principle which is called Identity and antiprincipled in Antiidentity; in so creating a New Identity from the Old Identity.

    A smaller sphere contained in a larger sphere and embedded in 3 dimensions so defines a space outside the larger sphere and a space inside the larger sphere.
    The space inside the larger sphere is substructured in the space inside the smaller sphere and the space in between the outside of the smaller sphere, but within the larger sphere.

    For an observer within the smaller sphere, there so exist two 'heavenly boundaries', namely the 'inner heaven', which is defined as 2 million kilometers relative to the Gaian center; and the 'outer heaven' , which is the 'edge of the universe' as the Hubble horizon.

    The 'outer heaven' now becomes defined in the indented hemispherical cap at the 'edge of the universe' and the 'inner heaven' can be located as the projection of the planetary center onto the outdented hemispherical cap and so spanning the diameter of the universe.

    Any observer outside of the 'inner heaven' would so be an extra-terrestrial and this ET could not enter the inner sphere of Gaia's domain.
    Corollarily, any Gaian observer could not enter the 'outer space', unless heshe could rapture the enclosing Gaian 'Noosphere-Bubble'.

    The Mayan and Dragonian physics knows however how to render the outside-inside duality of a bounded discontinuity as a continuity in oneness.

    Should the indented cap pulsate in harmony with the outdented cap, then the outdented Gaian cap will become a 11-dimensional supermembrane of indentation, which can then propagate through the inner Gaian spheroidal space and create an outdented cap at the opposing polar horizon.
    The outdented Gaian cap so becomes part of two spheres, the inner one and the outer one, but the Hubble cap is restricted to the outer sphere.

    The Gaian cap oscillation creates an UMBILICAL WORMHOLE TUNNEL through the Gaian core and a string tunnel as a diameter for the Gaian Noosphere.
    Next the Hubble membrane-cap pulsates again to reattain its former indentation, which reverses the Gaian indentation to its former outdentation.
    But now the created indentation of the Noosphere remains to allow the membrane-cap to pulsate in harmony with it, instead of harmonising with the original Gaian outdentation.

    The next pulsation so allows a new possibility.
    As the Hubble-membrane cap moves inwards, either the Gaian-membrane cap or the Noosphere indentation can move towards the Hubble-membrane cap in the conservation of energy and momenta.

    But the Noosphere-membrane cap is already indented and so must rapture or stretch to harmonise with the Hubble-membrane cap, should the Gaian-membrane cap remain invariant.

    For the stationary Gaian-membrane cap then, the Noosphere-membrane cap EXTENDS the UMBILICAL WORMHOLE TUNNEL or UWT to span the entire universe from the Gaian center to the Hubble horizon.

    The next string- or supermembrane oscillation will superstretch the UWT in a Dragon Inflation past the Hubble horizon into the 'outside heaven', which is the Dragonian Father-Space of 12 dimensions as the rootextended 3rd dimension.

    The 12-dimensional F-Space is speculated upon by the Gaian cosmologists as a two-time arrowed spacetime known as Vafa-F-Space.

    This stretching of the Hubble-UWT is harmonised in a rapturing of the Gaian-membrane cap into F-Space in the opposite direction and as a similar Gaian-UWT.

    The next supermembrane vibration reverses direction of the two UWTs, which can be defined in the Hubble-UWT utilising F-Space to meet the M-Space at an arbitrary location of the 11-dimensional boundary from the OUTSIDE.

    The Gaian-UWT so conserves energy and momenta in meeting this same M-Space boundary from the INSIDE.
    The Gaian-UWT must so reenter the Noosphere and navigate directionally to conserve the movement of the Hubble-UWT.
    This creates a PROJECTION of the Outside Hubble-Boundary Intersection Area quantum onto the Inside Gaian-Boundary Intersection Area quantum, so connecting the Hubble-Universe to the Gaia-Universe by a WARPING TUNNEL.

    The Noosphere cap is likewise PROJECTED as the Hubble cap in a Warping Tunnel and this creates a Dragonian Klein-Bottle with two Warping Tubes, connecting the OUTSIDE of the Hubble-Universe to the INSIDE of the Gaia-Universe.

    This scenario now permits the OUTSIDE of the Hubble-Universe to CONNECT with the INSIDE of the Gaia-Universe.

    As the OUTSIDE of the Hubble-Universe is 12-dimensional Father-Space, which is also a 3-dimensionally rootreduced INSIDE of the Gaia-Universe; the Klein-Bottle-Dragon so topologically constructed will render the information contained in the Gaian universe as a Onesided surface mapping in 11 dimensions as its own boundary condition, rootreduced to the 2nd dimensions of mathematical manifolds.

    A 3-dimensional Gaian observer can now ascend the Hubble-UWT and enter the WARP-TUNNEL before travelling the inside of the Gaian universe and exiting at the Gaian cap to enter 12D-Father-Space.

    The Gaian cap in this instance is a White Hole-Source and the Noosphere cap its corresponding Black Hole-Sink.
    Entering from the 12th dimension renders the Gaian cap as Black Hole and the Noosphere cap its White Hole companion.

    The entire intermediate realm between the Outside of the Gaian Universe and the Inside of the Hubble Universe is however 'quarantined'. This intermediate realm is however MAPPED holographically onto both the INSIDE Surface of the Hubble-Universe and the OUTSIDE Surface of the Gaia-Universe.

    Communication between ETs and the Gaian observers becomes subject to rapturing the Warping Tunnels, as the INSIDE of the Hubble-membrane remains 'out of bounds' in conjunction with the OUTSIDE of the Gaian Noosphere.

    The definition for the extent of the Noosphere relates to the string parameters and is given in the inversion of the speed of light in a timeline defining the cosmogenesis.

    The lightspeed inversion is given in 3.33 nanometers per second or so 105 millimeters per year.

    So the year 2012 relates to certain timelines which encompass the manner of the 'quarantine' of the Gaian historical evolvement as the terrestrial nexus point for the Gaian hemispherical cap.

    In particular, the two Warping Tunnels will enable a certain dynamics as 10-dimensional superstrings form a duality between high energy vibratory and low energy winding modalities as a 11-dimensional supermembrane.

    This manouvering has already occurred and relates to a timeline of the winter-summer solstice of the year 2008.
    Since June 24th, 2008, Gaia has found itself in this 'quarantine', which represents a cocoon and as symbolised in many mythologies and archetypes throughout the Gaian histories and cultures.

    The archetype engages two intertwined serpents, say one black and one white and as tentatively depicted on the Caduceus of the medical profession, the double helix of the genetic encoding and the Ouroborus of the Milky Way as a serpent in the process of swallowing its own tail.

    In terms of the cosmology and in terms of theoretical physics, this archetypology relates to the 'unfolding' of the Gaian historical timeline in the form of its self-transformation and using the Warping Tunnels.

    Because the Gaian cap is part of an intersection between the encompassing Hubble-Universe and the Gaian-Subuniverse as a microcosm or fractal of the macrocosm; the manipulation of the Warping Tunnels, will result in cosmic consequences for the hithereto 'cocooned' ET-universe.

    When Gaia rebirthes herself in a cosmic twinship, then the Umbilical Cords of the UWT's will be CUT and those cuts will represent the WARPGATES to 'free' the quarantined ETs and the cocooned Gaians to begin communications in the 3-dimensional realms in and from between the rootreduced F-Space between the Hubble-Bubble and the Gaia-Bubble.

    The Gaian Universe so is the BABY-Universe of the Mother-Universe in M-Space with two umbilical cords represented by the Warping Tunnels.
    The rebirth of the Planet Gaia as the StarPlanet Serpentina so will imply a 'turning inside-out' of the 4-dimensional Minkowski spacetime which metrically defines the inside of the Hubble-Bubble.

    There shall be two STARGATES in the Hubble-Bubble and their projection onto the Gaia-Bubble.
    Opening a Stargate, will allow a UWT traveller to use the manifold mappings of the Warping Tunnels to move through this stargate into the OUTER Gaian Universe and vice versa, allow an ET UWT traveller from the OUTER Gaian Universe to enter the Gaia-Bubble of the Noosphere.

    To open a Stargate, particular resonance conditions with respect to the supermembrane parameters must be met.
    This is a consequence of the quantisation of all physical variables used in any spacetime cosmology and I have indicated such in other messages.

    The Mapping coordinates of the Outer Universe projections, will then become calibrated holographically and under utilisation of the Dragonian Inflaton physics and the 'Big Crunch of Time' into the embedment of the rootreduced 13th dimension to the Dragon-Space of 4 space dimensions will allow intragalactic and intergalactic communication from that redefined timeline forthwith.



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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Threecaster on Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:59 pm


    Carol wrote:
    Threecaster wrote:
    (genetic sequencing is out of my league, but it sounds to me like you are referring to fluctuations/modulations in the morphic field...) (and who is controlling the modulator?)

    ET Insanely Happy

    Wow 6 nested quotes deep ....Nice!

    Which reminds me...

    If you guys like that, let me lay on ya my thoughts on things so far, at least from a mechanic's point of view.

    The Notion Of Movement (or "I couldn't help but notice your persistence of vision.")

    Say you arrive at a desire. Let's make it a simple one: Scratching your nose. When this thoughtform collapses into a notion, the right half of our brain sends out a signal up through the astral hierarchy (how far, I imagine, depends on the level of thought, intention, karma, etc) which in turn allows the Now that is currently housing the focus of your consciousness to move* into the (already existing) areas nearby, which allow them to become a series of nows that is the movie of you scratching your nose.


    *moving is relative, and a misnomer in this case. The vibrational state of the now changes, which technically I suppose is movement, but in a 4D sense. (or maybe it's just your consciousness changing)

    Now another take on this, is this: Our reality vibrates at a particular frequency {If anyone has any numbers on this, help a brutha out...} which we fail to notice due to persistence of reality, just like persistence of vision in the theatres.

    When a "now" comes to an end (how long is a now exactly?) all of the physical particles that composed you and your entire moment "expand" their state of being and pass into infinity, where, being infinite, they exchange information with all the other particles in infinity, instantly. They then also instantly begin to collapse back into your next now, based on the information provided by your consciousness during the previous moment.

    This information is encoded as it enters and leaves the boundary of our now. So far, the best term I have composed for this boundary is The Godform thought filter. We have the capacity to modulate this filter, based on our subconcious interactions.

    The virtual, non-collapsed photons pass through this boundary and this collapses their wave functions (mostly), and changes their state of vibration, just like water vapor condensing on a glass of ice water, which then becomes the next Now.

    Well, this is all fine from a "personal" point of view. However I know that all us humans (and all else for that matter) are merely different (apparently) fingers of the same hand. Or we are all tips of the cosmic iceberg. So this leads to the continuity of things.

    Why is it that *this* layer is the "default", and the Thought Filter governing it is continuous? I mean to say, we have a History that keeps us here so... Am I asking this same question in all these other infinite realities, and all of myselves are thinking that they are the only ones asking?

    (except for me, cause I'm posting about asking about asking...) Crazy Happy

    Ok, now this is starting to hurt. I better pause here and go for some refreshment.

    Last thoughts:

    We do have ET DNA in our little brains, (Made in who's image?) which enable us to modulate the field as well...

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

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    Post  Brook on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:52 pm







    m is the rest mass of the electron,
    c is the speed of light
    p is the momentum, understood to be an operator in the sense of the Schrödinger theory,
    x and t are the space and time coordinates,
    ħ is the reduced Planck constant, h divided by 2π.


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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Brook on Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:07 pm

    Uncle Jack's BACK REACTION

    Bohm-Sarfatti Back-Reaction


    the quantum behaviour of a system of electrons and the behaviour of mind

    Geometry acts on Matter/Energy telling it how to move,
    while Matter/Energy has a reciprocal Back-Reaction on Geometry telling it how to bend.

    This
    bending of our four-dimensional Space Time Geometry explains the
    phenomena of Gravity, such as why an apple falls to the Earth and why
    there are Black Holes.



    http://www.valdostamuseum.com/hamsmith/BohmSar.html#SarBR


    In this case a feedback loop is created,
    as follows: the system configures itself so as to set up its own
    Bohmian pilot wave, which in turn directly affects its physical
    configuration which then affects its nonlocal pilot wave which affects
    the configuration.


    This is an interesting way to utilize nonlocality

    If a physical system occupied a dynamical stability based on such a
    feedback loop then it would be a "nonlocal" physical system, without
    superluminal signals

    Cool




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    'So many lives to live' - I heard him say
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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Brook on Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:19 pm

    Final number for the evening

    of

    SPIRIT repertoire continuum

    On lead guitar we have Dirac's equasion

    The ever popular Minkowski's Space on Bass

    featuring of course

    Uncle Jack

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Mercuriel on Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:07 pm

    Threecaster wrote:Our reality vibrates at a particular frequency {If anyone has any numbers on this, help a brutha out...} which we fail to notice due to persistence of reality, just like persistence of vision in the theatres.

    Well - As Electrical Systems cannot remain in close proximity to one another (Within each others Field that is) without Short Circuiting or tripping out due to being out of Phase or being Unequal in Voltage and Speed (HZ) - This would suggest that as most Humans still alive are within the Electromagnetic System of the Earth - That They would likely be at a Frequency of AT LEAST Earth's Schumann Resonance Value don't You think ? This would likley be around 11 to 13 Hz now...

    14+ is supposed to denote the Shift...

    That said there are likely Humans of a Higher Frequency as well as lower no doubt but with that said the lower Frequency Ones are on the way out due to being incompatible with the larger Earth Frequency. Adapt & Evolve or Move / Die has always been the way...

    Threecaster wrote:(how long is a now exactly?)
    A "Now" is as long as it takes One to realize that "It" has ended signifying that the next "Now" has begun.

    Threecaster wrote:This information is encoded as it enters and leaves the boundary of our now. So far, the best term I have composed for this boundary is The Godform thought filter.

    I've always called this the Veil...

    Threecaster wrote:Why is it that *this* layer is the "default", and the Thought Filter governing it is continuous? I mean to say, we have a History that keeps us here so... Am I asking this same question in all these other infinite realities, and all of myselves are thinking that they are the only ones asking?

    I'm still trying to figure out what exactly You're asking about here ? I have an Idea but need more Info. IE Could You word the above question better ?

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Threecaster on Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:30 pm

    Mercuriel wrote:
    Threecaster wrote:Our reality vibrates at a particular frequency {If anyone has any numbers on this, help a brutha out...} which we fail to notice due to persistence of reality, just like persistence of vision in the theatres.

    Well - As Electrical Systems cannot remain in close proximity to one another (Within each others Field that is) without Short Circuiting or tripping out due to being out of Phase or being Unequal in Voltage and Speed (HZ) - This would suggest that as most Humans still alive are within the Electromagnetic System of the Earth - That They would likely be at a Frequency of AT LEAST Earth's Schumann Resonance Value don't You think ? This would likley be around 11 to 13 Hz now...

    14+ is supposed to denote the Shift...


    Ah yes...I had forgotten. Excellent starting point. Issac Bhentov in Stalking The Wild Pendulum made this obsevation as well, even pointing out the length of the Aorta is a harmonic of the earth itself...

    Maybe I need to make an LC circuit about that size.... cyclops

    Mercuriel wrote:

    Threecaster wrote:This information is encoded as it enters and leaves the boundary of our now. So far, the best term I have composed for this boundary is The Godform thought filter.

    I've always called this the Veil...


    Ah, excellent. Of course! After re-reading my rant, I actually think "phase transition layer" maybe technically more accurate, but one would have to know that part of the phase transition involves modulation.

    Mercuriel wrote:
    Threecaster wrote:Why is it that *this* layer is the "default", and the Thought Filter governing it is continuous? I mean to say, we have a History that keeps us here so... Am I asking this same question in all these other infinite realities, and all of myselves are thinking that they are the only ones asking?

    I'm still trying to figure out what exactly You're asking about here ? I have an Idea but need more Info. IE Could You word the above question better ?

    Wink



    This has been a difficult question to formulate; it's been developing in my mind for some time. I'm not certain I know the language to accurately convey...Is there a Bodhisattva in the house?

    Basically, I want to travel. Either by relocation of this physical body into another realm, or another suitable shell if there happens to be one available. This has been a deeply seated desire my entire life.

    I am trying to discover why I am stuck in THIS version of the earth, with impeding doom, evil forces controlling every aspect of our lives....etc...etc...

    Just because this shell (my body) was born HERE, does that mean it's hard-wired and would have to be "unplugged" to go somewhere else? (which is another term for "waking up" from this reality, and I think that's a one-way trip...)

    The point would be to be able to break out of this "timeline" and move to other intresting places, like Tolkien's, Or Heinlein's just to name a few.

    There is astral projection, and lucid dreaming (both of which have been denied to me as of yet) but even so I would always return to HERE.

    I can hear Don Juan's voice now "You are an utter FOOL to consider such things. There are beings of incomprehensible power who, at your first blunder, would trap your entire being for the rest of eternity!"

    And H.P. Lovecraft is silently chanting: doit doit doit doit doit

    Well, I am a fool who is compelled to think of such things. And either through tech or through trick I will find a way.
    Maybe it's the Shaman in me, or the AncientAlien in my DNA...but it's always there.

    I mean look at my Avatar....travelling in an unusual vehicle! (Speaking of, If you've ever read Heinlein's "Number of the Beast" then you'll know exactly what I'm chasing...)

    Basically, if you could offer any insight as to how I can measure, detect, infer, modulate or discombulate the linear flow of the natural progression of our reality, I would be deeply grateful! cheers



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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Threecaster on Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:33 pm

    Brook:

    Are you a real physicist? Or do you just play one on TV?

    (Yes, and I play one like a piano!)

    I love the notion of the feedback loop verging in and out of the physical.
    This is an essential element of any governed state of existence.

    Very nice!

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Brook on Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:15 am

    Threecaster wrote:Brook:

    Are you a real physicist? Or do you just play one on TV?

    (Yes, and I play one like a piano!)

    I love the notion of the feedback loop verging in and out of the physical.
    This is an essential element of any governed state of existence.

    Very nice!

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Threecaster on Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:25 pm

    Well then...

    I'll see your Spirit and raise you a Yes.

    (I'm still a NOOB and can't post links, makes the bot angry)

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  enemyofNWO on Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:01 pm

    So the 28 of October is gone and nothing happened . Now I would like to submit to you the possibility that all our dating of historical events are fraudulent . There are some books written by a Russian scholar : "Anatoly Fomenko . The book in question is : " History: Fiction or Science? Chronology ".

    Cliff High from Half Past Human is discussing the books of Fomenko in the November 1 interview 2011 .

    at the mark 1 hour and 30 minutes


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5mdvj75_g&feature=player_embedded#!

    From Wikipedia . SNIP
    "Fomenko is a supporter of drastically revising historical chronology. He has created his own revision called New Chronology, based on statistical correlations, dating of zodiacs, and by examining the mathematics and astronomy involved in chronology. Fomenko claims that he has discovered that many historical events do not correspond mathematically with the dates they are supposed to have occurred on. He asserts from this that all of ancient history (including the history of Greece, Rome, and Egypt) is just a reflection of events that occurred in the Middle Ages and that all of Chinese and Arab history are fabrications of 17th and 18th century Jesuits.

    He also claims that Jesus lived in the 12th century A.D. and was crucified on Joshua's Hill; that the Trojan war and the Crusades were the same historical event; and that Genghis Khan and the Mongols were actually Russians. As well as disputing written chronologies, Fomenko also disputes more objective dating techniques such as dendrochronology and radiocarbon dating (see here for an examination of the latter criticism). His books include Empirico-statistical Analysis of Narrative Material and Its Applications and History: Fiction or Science?.

    Most Russian scientists considered Fomenko's historical works to be pseudoscientific.[2][3] "
    END SNIP
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Fomenko


    Formenko's ideas are not new ……..

    http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum9/7684.htm

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x1399


    Under this scenario the calculations about 2012 are all wrong , but what is most important , the rotten reputation of the catholic church already destroyed by sexual scandals and crimes of all kind would be further damaged .
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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Mercuriel on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:24 am

    enemyofNWO wrote:So the 28 of October is gone and nothing happened . Now I would like to submit to you the possibility that all our dating of historical events are fraudulent.

    You and I had a discussion about this already EoNWO - Remember ?

    I said that It was likely that We didn't have the right time or date about much of this due to Manipulation of the Standard by Negative Forces trying to cloud the true Hour of It's occurrence...

    I spoke of the change from Julian to Gregorian and the Errors that caused as well as when Lunar Cults held Sway over Sun Cults and vice versa during Antiquity...

    I mean It was even said in "the Great Book" (BIBLE = Believable Information Before Leaving Earth)" - And It was likley understood as One thing but in Esoterica - It meant another. I mean what is the BIBLE If not Allegory - Yes ?

    Here is what I mean...

    "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the Angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone..."

    It will come to pass that what was meant is that the Time was hidden on purpose as It is Their Book and Their Play...

    Only They know when the Final Act is to be played out. Or so They've thought but Father sends His Children ahead of Him to prepare the way...

    We know and so do most. The Unawares / Lukewarms keep on hoping that It isn't soon but I say look around You. Father / Mother / ATI is nearing Us in totality...

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Mercuriel on Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:14 am

    Threecaster wrote:Ah, excellent. Of course! After re-reading my rant, I actually think "phase transition layer" maybe technically more accurate, but one would have to know that part of the phase transition involves modulation.

    Let Us say that through Awareness or Discernment One came to the realization that the "Viel" could be moved through one way or the other - Full Awareness to Full Confusion due to lack of "Knowing" - By Varying and/or Modulating a Component of Oneself. Then of Course the "Veil" would still be adequate as a descriptor as It is a Barrier where on one side is Full Awareness and on the other is Complete "Unknowing". Its semantics of a sort as I say Potatoe and You say Potawtoe but We mean the same thing...

    Threecaster wrote:Is there a Bodhisattva in the house ?

    Hmmm - I'm learning to play It on the Guitar (Steely Dan) - Interesting...

    Threecaster wrote:Basically, I want to travel. Either by relocation of this physical body into another realm, or another suitable shell if there happens to be one available. This has been a deeply seated desire my entire life.

    One must unlock the Mystery of the Black Hole within the Atom - The Wormhole within each one of Us. To travel through Biolocation. This is the Crux if done VIA the Physical. If It is permanent Soul travel to another place and no Repeating on Terra - IE getting off of the Karmic Wheel - Then leaving the Avatar behind (Classical Death) with "Knowing" absent "Entanglement" gets One off of the Karmic Wheel to another place of Greater Enlightenment...

    Threecaster wrote:I am trying to discover why I am stuck in THIS version of the earth, with impeding doom, evil forces controlling every aspect of our lives....etc...etc...

    Just because this shell (my body) was born HERE, does that mean it's hard-wired and would have to be "unplugged" to go somewhere else? (which is another term for "waking up" from this reality, and I think that's a one-way trip...)

    See My above answer. Oversoul sent You here for a Reason that only You and It knows. It knows and all You need to do here on Terra / Earth is remember.

    As to how to achieve this or these - States of Being - I'm working on It as well but I will say that It has to do with the Upgrade (Mutation) the Sun is giving Us as well as the Upgrade We're giving Ourselves by coming into "Knowing" through Discernment...

    At other Times in this Reality It was achieved by YEARS of Study and was still an elusive ability but the Ancient Gurus did achieve It. Why can't We ?

    The answer is of course - We can...

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Floyd on Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:50 pm

    Mercuriel wrote:

    Hmmm - I'm learning to play It on the Guitar (Steely Dan) - Interesting...



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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Mercuriel on Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:11 pm

    Doublepost...

    My Bad - I'll delete this when I get home and have a Proper display...

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Threecaster on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:52 pm

    Well...localy here your double post said it was posted at 1:11..."flukes" are always interesting...

    Suspect

    I must say thank you for the wonderful answers to my compelled queries.

    Me thinks that Knowledge and Authority may circulate and enhance one another, possibly pivoting in a spiral around Wisdom...
    Then again, I could be talking out the wrong end... Whistle

    I'm getting you tho...and totaly on the labels. (just sort of playing with points)

    And thus so it is we suffer the illusion of cognizance.

    I suppose as newborns the veil is very close to us, and as we gain knowledge it becomes thinner. I imaging this has to do with the universal idiosyncrasies of human behavior. The more you recognize what is going on around you, and more importantly WHY it is happening, then you can Take Action with pure Intent and Authority. This is when the alignment of true being comes into play, when one is stripped of the concious trappings of self concerns.

    Wow...I sound like I know I'm talking about...

    To place ourselves into states of being where the Why of what is happening is unknown to us, then that is truly a state of confusion. (Much like what is happening to everyone now, and why some people are breaking into pieces)

    As far as penetrating the veil (in terms of Being in a state which starkly contrasts to our current state of Beings) I merely wish to gain knowledge, then return here in order to help fulfill my purpose.

    I have a pretty good idea about that sort of thing. There is a strong core to me that I feels of True Mastery. I know of the path for the Philosopher's Stone, now I am trying to walk it.

    And indeed, friend, I AM trying to remember.

    I'm trying to remember HOW to use the crystal...the nature of the crystalline matrix, the frequencies needed to resonate it.
    Where to place it on the stone....how precisely to strike it...

    Do I use sound? Do I use EM? Eat it with one of my Chakras?

    If it is sound, what is the primary mechanism of transduction? What is the most efficient transducer to produce the sound?
    Is there a phase conjugation required? If so...is it formed from simple pairs? or more complex?

    Nope

    Don't feel like you have to answer any of these....I'm just throwing out the things that are in my head that I need answering...

    So yes, confusion is my veil. I constntly feel it's pressure.

    It's almost like I've been granted unlimited powers, but they won't come off with the instruction manual... Sleep

    I feel *very* certain that the level of tech we have now is fully capable of producing Star Wars level of existence, which would then rapidly escalate into Star Trek levels of moving about the place.

    Is the blue wire or the green wire?

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Threecaster on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:02 pm

    Any body wanna help me build a Light Saber?

    Let's start with the battery...


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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  Brook on Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:20 am

    Threecaster wrote:Any body wanna help me build a Light Saber?

    Let's start with the battery...



    I have an ancient battery for ya......




    Line up six of these big bad boys and you can run a real nice field generator

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    Post  Mercuriel on Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:46 am

    Threecaster wrote:If it is sound, what is the primary mechanism of Transduction ? What is the most efficient transducer to produce the sound ? Is there a phase conjugation required ? If so...is it formed from simple pairs ? Or more complex ?

    You've hit on It but then You knew this already and only needed to remember It...

    "In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God..."

    Translates to ;

    "In the Void was Sound and the Sound was with Prime Creator..."

    Do We Doubt this ? Perhaps, but let Me ask You all - In order to utter a Word - Does One need make a Sound ?

    Yes Indeed - Sound is the Prime Mover...

    Sound = Harmonic = Vibration = Frequency = Speed/Spin...

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    Post  Mercuriel on Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:35 am

    For those Who are interested in how Sound creates ?

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    Re: End of the Mayan Calendar today 28th October

    Post  shiloh on Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:00 pm

    shiloh wrote:What will the end of the Mayan calendar mean?


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    What will the end of the Mayan calendar on October 28, 2011 mean?

    For some time there has been a discussion as to what is the true end date of the Mayan calendar, October 28, 2011 or December 21, 2012, and somewhat paradoxically this has raged without a definition of what the “end” would mean. As October 28, 2011 is now coming close the definition of this “end” is something that may be important to clarify. The contemporary Maya no longer follow the long cycles of the ancient calendar system and so do not want to take a stand in the matter. The ancient Maya on the other hand has left a message in the Tortuguero monument 6 as to what they expected the end of the calendar to mean. What it says there is essentially that the nine-step, or nine-support, entity of period endings, Bolon Yokte Kuh, will appear in his full regalia. To me at least it is quite clear that this means that the nine levels of consciousness, corresponding to the nine waves of evolution, will then manifest. (Those that want a detailed discussion of this are referred either to my article on the Tortuguero monument on www.calleman.com or Mark van Stone’s book 2012 Prophecy and Science of the Ancient Maya).

    Hence, the ancient Mayan description of the end of the calendar is quite esoteric, or abstract if you like, and it is in its place to ask for more measurable criteria for what the end of the calendar means. In my understanding, since the ninth of these waves brings a unity consciousness to the world the criteria for the end of the Mayan calendar is that the duality based civilization of the world collapses, which would include not only the systems of rule, but also the capitalist system of the economy. This, I feel is what we have reasons to expect for October 28, 2011 and not only here on our planet, but all over the universe in places that we may have no contact with. The latter is a consequence of the fact that the Mayan calendar is not based on astronomical cycles in our local solar system, but has a truly cosmic, divine, all encompassing origin.

    The December 21, 2012 date on the other hand has no real meaning whatsoever even if the archeologists mostly will say that this date, or December 23, 2012, is the end of the calendar. It has surprised me how many people, sometimes called evolutionary leaders, that have uncritically accepted this date without thinking. After all, it has the tzolkin energy of 4 Ahau, which by definition precludes that it is an end date. People, who in my view really should have known better and otherwise may be very critical of established views, have here sided with the archeologists, a group of people that look upon the Mayan calendar as a superstition to begin with. (So why would they be trusted in such a critical matter to humanity?) A true end date must have the energy of 13 Ahau, like October 28, 2011 because only with this energy would all the waves give full transparency to the light of creation. And, one might want to add, only with such a transparency would a collapse of our duality based civilization be likely to occur.

    One can also say with some certainty that time as we have experienced it up until now as directed (the so called arrow of time) is likely to come to an end as the Mayan calendar does. This is because up until October 28, 2011 the evolution of our planet and the universe has been driven by nine different waves developing phenomena in a directed manner from seed to mature fruit. It is thus essentially a misunderstanding when people say that the Mayan calendar is cyclical in nature. It is true that the tzolkin, the 260 day sacred calendar, which is the only aspect of the ancient prophetic calendar system still in use among the Maya, is cyclical in nature. But it is not this calendar that we are talking about when we are talking about the Mayan calendar coming to an end at October 28, 2011. What is coming to its fullness are the nine levels of evolution, the nine directed waves that have created the universe on the largest scale. At least regarding its level of consciousness the evolution of the universe will then have been completed and it will then have attained its highest quantum state. I have for a long time been saying that it is much more relevant to talk about the completion of a climb to the highest level of a nine-storied pyramid than to talk about an “end” of the calendar.

    There are however still some open questions as to how this attainment of the highest level of consciousness would apply to our experience of time and what calendar, if any, to follow after October 28, 2011. Will for instance the various tzolkin energies continue to influence our personal lives? Will the nine waves continue indefinitely with their current frequencies or will they stop? At closer thought it is probably unlikely that the tzolkin would continue if the waves stop, since the tzolkin is essentially a temporal microcosm of the waves. On the other hand if the waves continue the same would most likely be true for the tzolkin as it represents a microcosm of these waves. If the waves, and especially the ninth wave, continue after October 28, 2011 we should however be aware that this would not mean that evolution continues. Evolution is a phenomenon of both a biological and cultural nature that is generated as the universe has climbed to higher and higher levels of consciousness and through processes in thirteen steps from seed to mature fruit. Because on October 28, 2011 the universe attains its highest quantum state there will however be no higher state to evolve to. Rather if indeed the waves continue indefinitely this would be experienced more like a grinding process of the world and the human beings. This would go on until the unity consciousness of the Ninth wave has finally been established and all phenomena inconsistent with this weeded out.

    I do not think it is possible to judge yet if the waves will come to an end or not even if I am increasingly inclined to believe that they will continue indefinitely. Linked to this uncertainty is the question what calendars would be most meaningful to follow after October 28, 2011. We should then be aware that in the long history of the Mayan calendar many aspects of the calendar system have both come and gone. Depending on the particular era in which people have been living different aspects of the calendar system may or may not have been useful. This is how the Long Count came and went because it was essentially meaningful only in a particular era and then became less strongly experienced by the Maya to the point that they lost it altogether. We have ourselves recently experienced. The same phenomenon of an aspect of the calendar system suddenly becoming useful as it became necessary to follow the Ninth wave with a 18 day period in order to understand the course of events. A few years ago a calendar with 18 days would however not have been very useful and it still remains to be seen what calendar, if any, it will be meaningful to follow after October 28, 2011.

    Carl Johan Calleman
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    Calleman Responds to "Calleman Wrong about End Date of Mayan Long Count Calendar" Article



    Editor's Note:
    This response is published verbatim with the permission of Carl Johan Calleman).

    I appreciate that you notice that among the world’s Mayan calendar experts there are some that are basing themselves on hallucinogenic experiences and others that do not. What would also have been pertinent to notice is that among those that are not hallucinogen users I may be the only one, who is a professional scientist.
    While self-styled scholars may be both intelligent and creative they usually have never been prompted to acquire the code of honor that comes with paying their dues and subjecting themselves to a qualified mentorship, and this also provides an important background to the current discussions among proclaimed Mayan calendar experts.
    On your web site you have published a number of points critical of my work including a purported proof from Geoff Stray that the October 28, 2011 completion date for the Mayan calendar is wrong. This goes back to the fact that Geoff for a long time has supported John Jenkins mechanistic understanding of the Mayan calendar, which promotes the idea that the Mayan Long Count is designed to describe a galactic alignment that ends a precessional cycle of 26000 years and has to end on a solstice day.
    This fantasy has been very successfully sold to people to the point that some think that there actually exists something to back it up despite the persistent denial of this by professional astronomers.
    What may be the most important to note however is that among the thousands of calendrical inscriptions from the Maya the 26000 year precessional cycle is not mentioned once and no Mayan text talks about a galactic alignment. As I have pointed out before the galactic alignment idea holds a great risk in that it makes human evolution dependent on some astronomical event outside of our control.

    The risk is that in as much as people believe in the galactic alignment fantasy, they will not be living up to their potential role as co-creators in due time. It should then not surprise us that also all the forces that want to back up the current world of hierarchies, including Hollywood, are doing their best to support the December 21, 2012 date. This date thus serves to foster a wait-and-see attitude and to divert the changes that are under way. In this, I think Stray and Jenkins are playing games with the future of humanity because they themselves are well aware of the complete absence of evidence in the Mayan sources for this galactic alignment theory. It is a fantasy generated on modern computer screens and without modern astronomical software no one would ever have come up with such a farfetched idea. Nonetheless, the idea is easy to grasp and a number of people wanting to be seen in the “2012” context has jumped on this bandwagon without rigorously examining its sources.

    What we know for certain from ancient Mayan sources (the books of Chilam Balam) is instead that their prophecies were based on non-astronomical time periods such as the tun and the katun (and almost certainly the baktun and longer cycles, but these were no longer in use when these books were written). According to the ancient inscriptions in for instance Palenque these time periods and their energies (deities as the Maya would say) emanated from the World Tree (or the Heart of the Heavens as contemporary Mayans would say) and not from astronomical cycles in our local solar system.

    Mayan vase showing the Seven gods of creation (symbolic of the seven days)

    In such a perspective we may for instance understand that the katun in the Long Count with the tzolkin energy of 4 Ahau (AD 20-40) did have a special energy (we know from history that this is the energy that brought the teaching of Christ) and so there is no reason to be surprised that this tzolkin energy was celebrated as a Burner day. Without a reality background in historical processes discussions of the different celebrations of tzolkin energies are however completely meaningless and lead into a world of abstract calendar mathematics. My own work is instead based on the actual evolutionary processes of the universe and how these are related to the prophetic tradition of the Maya emphasizing the thirteen energies of baktuns, katuns and tuns etc including the seven days of creation.
    This work has resulted in a series of books where the actual phenomena in the universe, biological historical or otherwise, are understood from quantum shifts emanating from the Cosmic Tree of Life. These arguments are not speculative, but supported by massive empirical evidence. Long time Mayan calendar expert, author and publisher Barbara Hand Clow has on this basis referred to my most recent book The Purposeful Universe as “possibly the most important book that has ever been written” and others have come to concur with this assessment.

    Stray on the other hand, who has more or less painted himself into a corner by zealously supporting Jenkins computer based fantasy, trashes my work, for the singular reason that he thinks that its “end date” is wrong. I think he really knows better, but he has for a long time been criticizing my reality-based approach and may not find it easy to detach himself from this. He thus chooses to sacrifice all meaningful understanding of how the Mayan calendar describes the evolution of consciousness at nine levels each driven by seven pulses of light (seven gods of creation) and tries to prop up the galactic alignment idea. Since the galactic alignment fantasy cannot be verified by historical events, it is thus no wonder that Stray and Jenkins never make predictions based on the Mayan calendar.
    Wisely so, I must say, since if they were to base predictions on the December 21, 2012 end date these would invariably turn out to be wrong. Also in this Jenkins and Stray deviate from the very spirit of the prophetic tradition of the ancient Maya, who used their calendar to understand coming time periods and not as abstract mathematical structures. I, on the other hand, can credit myself to some very significant predictions in my books, published years in advance, that have later turned out to be correct. Very notable is for instance, the prediction of the precise timing of when the economic downturn would begin, which was based on the October 28, 2011 date. It is important to realize that this would not have been possible if I had been relying on the Hollywood-approved end date of December 21, 2012.
    This brings up the question what we are supposed to have the Mayan calendar for. Is it to understand our place in the universe and its future or is it just an abstract tool without any connection to reality as it seems to be to some? I personally think that if we are to approach the future with realism we will have to give up silly fault finding games and look primarily at the evidence for connections between the Mayan calendar and historical reality.

    Over the past century there have been many suggestions as to what the end date of the Izapan Long Count may be and like Stray I would also place this at December 21, 2012 (meaning that Geoff’s argument about invalidating the dating of old inscriptions is completely erroneous and he should know this himself). The determination of the accurate “end date” can however only be based on an understanding of how the Mayan calendar system works in its totality and how it maps out the evolution of consciousness.
    The point to realize is then that the December 21, 2012 date is not the energetic end date when all the nine waves of evolution (the nine-step god, Bolon Yokte, symbolized by the nine-step pyramid) will be manifesting fully, which instead is October 28, 2011. While an attempt was made in Palenque almost a thousand years after the Izapan Long Count had been established, it proved impossible to correct such a strong tradition accordingly.

    Bolon Yokte, the nine-step god with the nine waves of evolution.

    A valid parallel to this is that it would today be absolutely impossible to change the day we celebrate Christmas, even though we now know that Jesus was not born on December 25. Not a long time ago some orthodox and dogmatic Christians would probably have defended the idea that Jesus was born on December 25 with the same zealousness as Stray and Jenkins now defend the December 21, 2012 date simply because according to a strong tradition Christmas is celebrated on that day. But while the error in the birthday of Jesus may be of relatively little importance to us today the same cannot be said about the completion date of the Mayan calendars, which may be the most consequential question of our time.
    It is thus very high time that people claiming to be Maya calendar experts start discussing this in terms of the prophetic time periods, tuns, katuns, baktuns etc that the Maya were actually using. Without such a common ground there is simply no meaningful basis for discussing the end date. If the reality connection of the Mayan calendar through these time periods is thrown out all of its meaning to our current time is simply lost.
    Carl Johan Calleman


    Editor's Comment:
    It is reassuring to see that the top two 2012 theorists, Jenkins and Calleman agree on the true end date of the Long Count: as Calleman says here, "...like Stray I would also place this at December 21, 2012."
    However, it remains difficult to see how Monument 6 at Tortuguero could be interpreted to mean anything other than that Bolon, the god or gods of nine, will return on that same date—the only date on the monument—rather than in 2011.
    At the same time, even if Calleman is wrong about the significance of October 28, 2011, that does not mean that his entire theory about the Mayan calendar is wrong. Like others—even some of the total nut cases out there—he has at least a piece of the puzzle, and it may turn out to be a big piece.
    Shay Addams

    Calleman Proved Wrong about End Date of Long Count by Geoff Stray


    Carl Calleman's theory that the current Long Count cycle ends in 2011 instead of 2012 has been refuted in several ways by Geoff Stray, author of Beyond 2012: Catastrophe or Transformation. After emailing Stray about our proof Calleman is wrong, he replied with more details. This was Stray's reply, which is published with his permission. For even more, see Stray's review of Calleman's book.
    More Proof that Calleman is Wrong


    Dear Shay,
    Glad you posted this...Also: POINT 1:
    4 Ahau 3 Kankin is going to be Night Lord 9— the one that ended every tun, since there are 9 of them and 9 divides into 360.
    However, Oct 28 2011 will be Night Lord 3.
    Page 3 of my new essay explains why this is important
    —it represents the fully-developed maize seed-head —directly compatible to human development phases —i.e., the evolutionary phase completion will be Night Lord 9 [editor: as seen here], not night lord 3. (See Lords of the Night calculator for proof.)
    POINT 2:
    Calleman's statements reveal that he finds the internal correlation between Long Count and Tzolkin to be faulted. However, what he fails to point out is that this implies that EVERY SINGLE MAYA INSCRIPTION IS WRONG! This is because every inscription includes a reference date with Long Count and Tzolkin... this internal correlation is the same for all inscriptions. Correlation between Maya calendars and Gregorian has been much discussed, but nobody has ever questioned internal Long Count/Tzolkin correlation since it is constant and beyond dispute...yet, because it didn't suit his theory, he implies that every inscription is wrong. I pointed this out to him in a forum in Virginia Beach last year.
    I did a talk based on the info expounded in Tortuguero/Nine Gods article referenced above at Virginia, and Calleman was excited because of the number 9 in the Tortuguero prophecy, which he immediately connected to his 9 Underworlds theory...I thought he would! He asked me if I had published anything about this, and I said no, but intended to...and sure enough, within 2 weeks he had produced an article claiming the Tortuguero monument as evidence for his end-date, simply because 9 gods are mentioned. However, he failed to mention that the prophecy, in the very next line, dates the 13.0.0.0.0 date as 4 Ahau, 3 Kankin - i.e. 21 December 2012!...a direct piece of evidence actually pointing out his error—the very opposite to what he states!
    Nice work
    Thanks!
    All the best,
    Geoff
    This page was posted on 3 Q'at, 2010.



    Comment by Didymos:
    Well the squabbling between the Jenkins- and Calleman advocates goes on as can be witnessed at many places on the web.
    As Shay Addams appropriately points out in the above editor's commont though; both are right.
    The Logos timeline defines the Jenkins Date as the Birth of the starhuman Comsciousness and defines the Calleman date as the 40 days preceding the end of the witnessing timeline within the warptime loop from the nodal mirror of August 4th, 2008 and April 1st, 2012 and specifying December 8th, 2011.



    In particular (Western) New Year 2012 signifies the 'Dove of Peace finding land'; Christmas 2011 signifies 'Noah's Dove returning with a Twig' and December 17th, 2011 specifies 'Noah's Raven searching for land'.

    The 50 days of 'Noah's pentecost' so define the timespan for the 'appearing of the land in Noah sending forth of his Raven and his Dove from the window of his ark and to which are added 10 days (of imprisonment between 'ascension' and pentecost Acts.1.3 &Revelation.2.10) before the 'peaks of the mountains' appeared {Genesis.8.1-14}.

    These 50 days so become the Calleman date of completion in the timespan between the archetyped Resurrection of the World Logos (Easter Sunday) and the Pentecost-Shabuoth of the 'Coming of the Holy Ghost'.





    A= March 24th, 2010-Noah's Rainbow Covenant (+0) = April 1st, 2012 =Q

    B= May 18th, 2010 = Removal of the Covering (+56) = February 5th, 2012 =P

    C= June 23rd, 2010 = Dove of Peace (+36) = December 31st, 2011 =O

    D= June 30th, 2010 = Raven Searches (+7) = December 24th, 2011 =N

    E= July 7th, 2010 = Land Appears (+7) = December 17th, 2011 =M

    F= August 16th, 2010 = Waters Sink (+40) = November 7th, 2011 =L

    G= October 29th, 2010 = Mount Ararat (+74) = August 25th, 2011 =K

    H= February 16th, 2011 = End of Rising Flood (+110) = May 7th, 2011 =J

    I= March 28th, 2011 = Flood Begins (+40) = March 28th, 2011 =I



    The World-Tree scenarios of Calleman so dovetail nicely with the Completion of the Bolon Yokte nine-step pyramidal geometry of Palenque at the Temple of the Inscriptions (which is a large pyramid of the Maya civilization, specifically the funerary monument for K’inich Janaab Pakal also referred to as Pacal the Great), ajaw or king of Palenque in Chiapas, Mexico. -wiki ref).

    Once the timeline of the World Logos implements, the squabbling of well meaning, albeit egocentric researchers shall converge in harmonisations.
    Didymos aka Tonyblue



    Dear Friends,
    Where does our understanding of the Mayan calendar begin, with a presumed "end date" or with a model for the evolution of consciousness? There still seems to be several researchers of the Mayan calendar who want to sacrifice all meaningful understanding of the Mayan calendar because they believe that the December 21, 2012 date is cut in stone. This article of mine is in response to some comments on this issue by Geoff Stray and Shay Addams and seeks to highlight what is really important:

    http://www.atitlansol.com/Theories-2012-Mayan-Calendar/calleman-response-wrong-end-date-maya-calendar.html
    Enjoy
    Carl Johan




    Re: December 21st, 2012 and/or October 28th, 2011


    SuiGeneris Today at 12:46 pm




    All my love,

    Sui



    The Ninth wave Continues after October 28, 2011!

    Please feel free to post, translate and disseminate!

    Dear Friends,
    I now feel I have reached clarity as to how the Mayan calendar continues after its "end":
    http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/The9thWaveContinues.htm
    and as might have been expected it will not be the same.
    Best
    Carl Johan



    In earlier articles I have promised to get back to the issue of how the energies will continue and what Mayan calendar, if any, to use after its “end”. What the October 28, 2011 “end” means here is that the thirteen baktun Long Count and the other eighth sequences of thirteen heavens have now all been completed. This “end” also means that the climb to the top of the nine storied pyramid has been completed and that the cosmos is not offering a higher level to go than this one of unity consciousness. The seventh day of the Ninth wave, October 11- October 28, 2011, was the first time in cosmic history that all the nine waves were activated in a state of light and in fact an excellent opportunity for integration of their total energy field. October 28, 2011, 13 Ahau in the tzolkin, was the fundamental shift of the ages and now for some time the composite of these energies will be playing out in our individual lives as well as in the history of our planet at large. There is no turning back.

    So what is the nature of the energies that currently maintains the energy field of the planet? To begin with it seems clear that we do not now at this point live moment by moment by moment, but experience a continuity with the past. This means that all waves and cosmic energy cycles have not come to an end, but some remain in existence creating an experience of an ongoing flow in our lives. The question is then how these waves continue. After discussions with people, who like myself, can actually feel the energies of the Mayan calendar, and by observing how these energies are now manifesting in the world I feel that I have now got clarity about in what form the cosmic energies are creating continuity. I would like to share this very briefly in this communication. The full consequences of the shift of the ages will have to be dealt with later, maybe in book form. There are many consequences of this in the form of leaving past traditions that are no longer relevant to instead enter something entirely new.

    Most important in this moment is that the Ninth wave is continuing! As of November 16, 2011 we are now in what we might call the eighth day of the Ninth wave, a day that will continue for a total of 18 days and then turn into a night. The Ninth wave will continue indefinitely, and, if you like, “grind” the new unity consciousness into existence, but since the Ninth wave is open-ended the same can be said about our future. Logically speaking this implies that the same is true for the other waves as well, which on October 28, 2011 also all turned into nights (Hence the calmness that many experienced after the shift). The other waves we will however not have to concern ourselves with until October 23, 2012 when the Eighth wave again turns to a day.

    The fact that the Nine waves seem to go on indefinitely, indicated also by some Palenquean dates deep into the future, means that several metaphors that we have previously used to describe our world at this time may not apply. There will for instance not be any “birth” of a new world as I may have worded it previously, because a birth is something that happens within a defined time-frame. Rather, as mentioned above, the new world will be grinded into existence in a way where the scenarios can no longer be scripted in time. What happens depends totally on what course of action human beings choose. What this also means is that the seed-to-fruit processes that characterized the world before October 28, 2011 are no konger in operation. Put in other terms, with the October 28, 2011 shift of the ages humanity is leaving behind the 7 + 6 = 13 scheme that has been at the heart of creation stories in Abrahamic religions, the holy seven of many other spiritual traditions and the number 108 of Hinduism and Buddhism. These numerological definitions of divine creation processes were not false of made up. They were real until October 28, 2011, but do not apply after this shift date. Looked upon in this way maybe we can begin to understand how big the shift in fact was even if it will take some time before it lands in people more broadly. What has happened is not only a conceptual or calendrical change, but a fundamental shift in the reality that we are living and which calendars should describe. The end to the actual applicability of the religious creation stories and their numerologies coincides notably with a shift where the divine (God or Goddess) are now completely to be found inside the human beings themselves.

    This change applies just as much to Mayan religiosity as to any other and is also directly linked to the applicability of the tzolkin at the current time. In an article written before the shift I raised the question whether the tzolkin would still be valid after the shift. I now realize that this question was not correctly posed. What now seems to be the case is that the twenty glyphs are still valid to express the diversity of the energies of a twenty-day uinal (After all, the nine waves are still in operation and differ in frequency exactly by factors of twenty). Yet, as far as I can tell the number thirteen and the trecena has now lost its energetic power as the cosmos broke through the limit of 13 energies (We are now in Heaven 15 of the Ninth wave) and the waves will continue indefinitely. We may still count days and nights, but the limit of thirteen has disappeared. In practice this then also means that the tzolkin of 13 x 20 = 260 days no longer is a relevant matrix of time, since only the twenty day signs retain an energetic meaning. Needless to say, this is a means of approaching the Mayan calendar in order to recognize the truth and is only partially consistent with tradition. It is about finding a calendar that gives a meaningful understanding of the ongoing course of events in light of the presently dominating cosmic rhythms. We should keep in mind that the Mayan calendar is not static, but has undergone dramatic change several times in the past three thousand years. The reason is simply that the energetic reality of the cosmos has changed dramatically over this period of time.

    I hope some may now better realize how significant the shift of the ages actually was. What happened was that the energetic basis for all the world’s religions, or at least for their creation stories, has now disappeared. Until October 28, 2011 the limiting constraints of 7+6 = 13 still existed as a cosmic reality and many of my own presentations were also based on this fact. As this energetic basis has now been broken through, and the waves continue endlessly beyond thirteen, the divine outside of ourselves disappears and is moved entirely within ourselves. Not as a choice, but as a necessity. The ramifications of this are much too far reaching to develop fully in an article like this, but before ending I would like to comment on the continued political-economic crisis in the world.

    In my article of November 8, 2011, I described some very significant events that accompanied the shift of the ages in the external world. I then also pointed out the necessity of keeping an eye on the planetary midline of the 12th longitude East for those that want to track the course of events, because this is where duality was originally introduced. (As an indication of the relevance of this, Berlusconi fell less than a day after I said it would happen). I feel this focus will be equally relevant when it comes to the continue grinding action of the Ninth wave. Thus, in addition to the reactivation of the Occupy movement in the US as well as the popular revolutions of Syria and Egypt, a clear deepening of the Euro crisis took place at the beginning of the eighth day of the Ninth wave. I am convinced that key European politicians now fully realized that there is no way that the southern European nations will be able to successfully find a way out of their debt crisis. (Up until October 28, 2011 they still thought they could find a solution to the situation.) As these nations also include, despite its shift n government, Italy, the third largest economy of the EU, they also now realize that it will not be possible to save the Euro and will start to act accordingly no matter what they say publicly. Thus, it remains true that it is the days of the Ninth wave that are carrying the unity consciousness and will serve most clearly to erode the old system of dominance. I do not want to make any timed predictions about the erosion of the world order of economic dominance, since this no longer seems possible. The point to realize is however that the Ninth wave is still in operation and that especially its days will continue to grind unity consciousness into existence.

    Carl Johan Calleman
    Imix 13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.14.3 (Notation starting with 1 rather than 0)
    November 18, 2011




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