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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:38 pm

    a summary of the 12/13

    My 13 Position Support Circle

    1. LOVE:
    2. KNOWLEDGE:
    3. COMPASSION:
    4. MENTOR:
    5. BEAUTY:
    6. CHILD:
    7. HUMOR:
    8. DISCIPLINE:
    9. ANCHOR:
    10. HEALER:
    11. ENLIGHTENMENT:
    12. MUSE:
    13. POWER:

    do you know who fills these spots in your life ?
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:40 pm

    DISCOVERY of SUSAN LYNNE SCHWENGER



    a medicine wheel

    9 directions - traditional medicine

    1. EAST: (Path to Illumination) Emotional body
    2. SOUTH: (Physical ~ Early Life) Physical Body
    3. WEST: (Path to Goals) Intellectual Body
    4. NORTH: (Spiritual - Ancestors) Etheric Body
    5. ABOVE: (Access to Dreamtime) Low Astral
    6. WITHIN: (Sacred Space Protector) High Astral
    7. BELOW: (Grounding Influence) Low Causal
    8. LEFT SIDE: (Female Protector) Mid Causal
    9. RIGHT SIDE: (Male Protector) High Causal

    + the upper ones

    10. Higher Self (the seed) (mates to low causal)
    11. The Essence (the core) (mates to mid causal)
    12. The Monad (the crown) (MATES TO HIGH causal)
    13. The Unified/United Blending of Male/Female Female/Male - thru lower 6 + 3 + 3 /12 - thru + 1 (central verical channel) 12/13

    mates also to 13 poles in a teepee /and, 13 colours
    along with 6 lower aspects thru the central vertical channel, and, 6 higher aspects

    ~ SUSAN LYNNE SCHWENGER
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:43 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEcz2hprZqs&feature=related

    Man Sees Satan In Hell And Realizes There Is Life After Death! ( Near Death Experience )

    [youtube]ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEcz2hprZqs&feature=related [/youtube]
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:46 pm

    Atheist College Professor dies and sees hell and demons - it changed his life - Pt 1


    This is the testimony of college professor and atheist Howard Storm who while on vacation in Paris France

    had a perforation in his stomach and died. He had a NDE and when he died

    he was surrounded by demons jinns who tortured him,\

    but suddenly remembered a prayer was saved and was revived.

    After seeing hell and jinn he changed.

    On June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University,

    had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach
    and his life was forever changed he lives to tell his story.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLimoqZUWgw&feature=player_embedded


    pART 2 OF 2

    part 2



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC0VOx4M5ZE&feature=relmfu
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdUGoFTfP7w&feature=related

    11 yr Old Went to Heaven and Back, and Tells What He Saw

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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:49 pm

    After colliding with a semi-truck, Don Piper died and went to heaven. Ninety minutes later he returned to life on earth.

    After years of silence, he is now sharing his life-changing story.



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    90 Minutes in Heaven: A True Story of Death & Life

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    Scientist photographed soul leaving the body in death

    Part 1 of 2


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDmivrnktkQ


    PART 2 of 2



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ4a_Gu49SA&feature=fvwrel

    Scientist photographed soul leaving the body in death 2nd part





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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:53 pm

    no doubt, in the ending of the physical life,
    there are a lot of things people who have NOT resolved any understanding about where they might go next,

    suffer a lot of different feelings & thoughts
    - some people are actually paranoid & fearful & confused & disoriented, etc.etc.etc.,

    always remember,

    "EVERY END is SIMPLY A New Beginning" ~ Susan Lynne Schwenger

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    Identifying and Attracting Your Support Circle

    BY TROY TOLLEY

    (Excerpt from a group session)



    [MICHAEL]

    In order for you to have a "powerful" lifetime where what you planned to accomplish is actually achieved to satisfaction, the Universe has developed what is termed a SUPPORT GROUP. This Support Group consists of Twelve Positions/Individuals playing specific Roles in your life, each specializing in a facet of your life in order to keep you in a Thirteenth Position labeled the POWER Position. This is because when your full Support Group is in your life and recognized, you become incredibly empowered. Even Universes are arranged in this system of cooperation.

    The Twelve Positions are labeled and organized into 4 groups of 3, taking care of four defined contexts of your life. Each of these sub-groups of three allows you to play a fourth position in each, creating a Quadrant (group of four) that is very powerful. Although there is a non-physical Support Group in a given lifetime ("spirit guides"), we are speaking today of those physically incarnated for the Personality's comfort and support, except where indicated.

    It is important here to note that over many lifetimes you build a Network of Support that extends in circles, or "strings", of strength. There are twelve Strings of Support. To say whether a person is 1st String or 6th String indicates how often, BUT NOT HOW WELL that Essence plays that Position for you. A First String Position is the "strongest" because of time and depth of commitment to you, but those 11th and 12th Strings are just as effective, even if only short-term. This system of “strings” was cultivated to accommodate conflicting plans between Essences for a given lifetime. If the First String Position is not choosing to incarnate for that era, or are not planning physical contact, then a Second, or Third String, and so on, will always be available.

    If you find any of the Positions "missing", it is in an indication that you may simply be unaware of a source, or you are imposing that Position on an existing person in your life, "forcing" them to play roles they are not designed to, or are not willing to, play. (We will mention that you truly cannot "force" another to perform or behave in any way, it will always be his or her choice; we choose this word due to its impact and example, rather than its accuracy.) This imposition can cause great strain and stress on an individual coming into your life to play a specific role, and then finding they are trying to fulfill a handful of Positions. Identifying what a particular person's specialty is frees the relationship from unnecessary expectations and disappointments, creating permission to take full advantage of the gifts the individual CAN offer. Make mental notes along the way if you realize you have one person playing multiple Positions, and which Position may be the more natural intention.

    The first sub-group of three would be your INTIMATES. These are the most directly experienced of all Support Positions. They are LOVE, KNOWLEDGE, and COMPASSION. Since these are the basic fundamental needs in any given lifetime, those who are not open to receive these players consciously are usually dreadfully alone. It is NEVER a case where there is no one to play these roles; it is always that you are, for whatever reasons, blocking the interaction. Despite your blocking the interaction, energy is still exchanged with these Positions, most likely unconsciously, but they are a part of you nonetheless. In fact, you would physically be incapable of life if these Positions were not in some way fulfilled. Isolation and loneliness are such profound delusions in this Universe, regardless of your insistence and indulgence in them, that to have truly experienced such a state would result in complete self-annihilation. There is ALWAYS Love, Knowledge, and Compassion available to any fragment at any time.

    LOVE: the person playing this position is someone who has unconditionally accepted everything about you and loves you completely. There is nothing you can do wrong in this person's eyes. There is ALWAYS someone, somewhere who loves you and can inspire you. The False Personality may not recognize it because of its own limitations, but, fortunately, that does not stop you from being loved. Acknowledging who is presently your LOVE POSITION can bring great peace. Sometimes it isn't who you want it to be, but, again, this is False Personality's perception, not the truth. If you choose to recognize that you are loved, and by whom, you may be more capable of attracting the Personality defined "love" relationship, which isn't always about being truly loved, but what is stimulating to Personality.

    KNOWLEDGE: this person is your best advisor. This person can have ideas bounced off of them and they will tell you with confidence what will work and what will not, or help you in coming to those conclusions yourself. It is this person you trust the most in your life as an information source. The Love Position can inspire you, but the KNOWLEDGE POSITION helps put things in perspective like no other Position, helping to narrow your choices to what is in your best interest. This can range from high-impact life decisions, to just asking the opinion on a new mate or job. Without the objective viewpoint of an external source, choices can be made more difficult than necessary. You can rest in the hands of this individual's direction.

    COMPASSION: this person is the one who cares enough about you to point out what you are doing wrong, or right, in light of your "higher plans", as they support you. You may refer to this as "brutal" compassion, since it is sometimes painful to the Personality to face the truth. This person can be counted on to tell you the truth about you in any situation. This Position is vitally important as it helps you to stay within parameters you might have set for a lifetime's accomplishments. You may become bogged down by addictions, depression, procrastination, despair, boredom, even delights, or other "distractions", and COMPASSION will be there to help you move through these. Not that a lifetime is wasted in any way, even if these "distractions" prevailed, since all experience is valid and useful, but COMPASSION can still be there with truth. This person will help push you to the limits of who you are this lifetime, since they see past your fears. In fact, they refuse to support fear in your life at all.

    As we said, these three Positions are your INTIMATES, since they affect your most immediate reality and, therefore, are most important to start with in recognizing. Acknowledging what role you play in another Support Group can be as liberating, and we suggest you keep this in mind as we progress.

    Next, we will cover the INSPIRATIONALS. These Positions are labeled MENTOR, BEAUTY, and CHILD. The theme here is to remind you of the larger perspective of your life. They are not necessarily in your life intimately or even personally, but they are available at your disposal when the need arises.

    MENTOR: is the person who models most closely the role you want to play in your life. They are your teacher. This is someone who is accessible to you in some form for guidance in "how they did it" (or "do it"). The MENTOR provides a framework of plan for the general work you intend to do in life at a given time.

    BEAUTY: is the person who innocently points out the good in life, the beauty in you and your life, and generally embodies, themselves, what is beautiful to you. This person can take you back out of despair and help you connect with the loveliness of your life's unfolding. They help you connect with the loving field that creates the Physical Plane in the first place. They remind you of what is perfect in life.

    CHILD: is slightly self-explanatory, for this is the individual you, yourself, provide nurturing for. Often it is literally a child, but is by no means limited to that form. It is someone who depends on you for care. This gives you the experience of your own capabilities to provide and, therefore, reminds you of your strengths, however begrudgingly. Many people choose Companion Animals for this Position, and while this is quite effective, it is a bit more "to the point" when of the same species. Many people, when feeling lack of purpose or importance, turn to this Position for rekindling. This works, if all other factors are considered, but often False Personality then imposes several other Positions on the "child"/animal companion to fill a void. Then the gift is rarely truly gained. This turns the CHILD into a source of resentment, which is not GOOD WORK. This Position is usually easy to spot since it "cries out" for attention particularly from you.

    That completes the INSPIRATIONALS.

    The next triad of Support can be called your CLASSMATES, meaning those who help you through your Physical Plane Lessons you've chosen for the lifetime. In order to undertake your chosen challenges, you will need HUMOR, ANCHOR, and DISCIPLINE.

    (Notice, as we progress through the Positions, the less intimate and personal they become, yet, we assure you, they are just as crucial.)

    It may be obvious why HUMOUR is vital: someone has to cheer you up and make you laugh when the "going gets tough", reminding you NOT to take things so seriously. A celebrity comedian sometimes plays this for a mass of people. Acknowledging the affects of this person in your life carries with it a cleansing, putting your energy back in perspective.

    Your ANCHOR reminds you that, "through it all", you have a place to go at ANY time for rejuvenation, relaxation, and nurturing. This person has probably been in the same residence all of your life, or you, at least, know where they are at all times, and how to be with them, regardless of distance and time. This individual would never turn you away if you were in need of shelter, clothes, food, etc. This person reminds you of the stability existing in the midst of life; an "oasis" or retreat. Parents play this role a lot, but it can be played, of course, by anyone offering consistency on the Physical Plane; time and space is never a challenging factor in your relationship.

    DISCIPLINE is defined as the person who heightens the awareness of your decision making process. They are not someone who is riding you, forcing you to fulfill plans, they simply help create scenarios that bring your awareness to the impact of your decisions. Although Knowledge helps define the parameters of your potential decisions with feedback and advice, DISCIPLINE helps you see the end results, often far-reaching. A sometimes-frustrating relationship, since this person will remind you of your intended track, they are nevertheless helping you focus through your procrastination and distractions. While Compassion will be truthful through this, and Knowledge can help shape plans, DISCIPLINE actually shows you the road and keeps you "awake". We feel this helps differentiate the affect of DISCIPLINE from others, as it is sometimes hard to spot, or intensely ignored.

    That ends the CLASSMATES definitions.

    Finally, you have your SPIRIT GUIDES. We do not mean this term in the typical definition, but rather in the respect of their impact on more Spiritual (or abstract) Lessons as opposed to your day-to-day Material Lessons, as you will see. These Positions tend to hold more clues to themes that carry over several lifetimes. These Positions are especially free to be played by anything, or anyone, physical or non-physical, incarnated or not, who exemplify and express the inherent quality. They are HEALER, ENLIGHTENMENT, and MUSE.

    First, we will cover the HEALER Position. This Position takes care of repairing, mending, or processing the deeper effects of experience. Whether Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, or Spiritual you will always have available a HEALER for your "pains" and "ailments", or "dis-eases". This could be an actual Doctor, or spiritual leader, but may also be played by personal, non-physical guides who help you assimilate life. The Dream State is where many of you access your HEALER.

    ENLIGHTENMENT: this is a teaching, or teacher, person, or organization that gives structure to your current belief system, or perspective. This Position provides you with a framework with which to take in life. We, the Michael Entity, play this role for many of you, our Students, but it can be played by anything that helps you understand, comprehend, and act in the context of the "big picture" of your life. This is where you get a sense of having a "path".

    And, finally, we will cover the MUSE Position. This Position is the pure aspiration with which you measure your life against and strive to attain personally. The MUSE is the least tangible and namable, although you can usually hint at it in certain phrases, such as "Freedom", or "Unconditional Love"; more specifically in "Sexual Freedom", or "Unconditional Love of my family". Certain people, historically, become a MUSE for masses of people, such as Christ, or Buddha; even musical/theatrical entertainers, or political figures, like Madonna and James Dean, John F. Kennedy and Princess Di. Knowing and acknowledging who personifies your MUSE and being able to identify the quality to some extent constructs a sort of "light" ahead. The MUSE gives the greatest clues as to why you came to be incarnated in the first place. Be as clear as possible in your definition of the MUSE and refrain from confusing the source of the MUSE with the Muse itself. For instance, our Philosophy may be a MUSE, but we, the entity, act as Enlightenment, a vehicle for your MUSE. Another: Madonna's music may be entertaining, but her Personality, itself, acts as MUSE for most. One more: For some, Seth's Teachings act as Enlightenment, but Jane Roberts acts as the actual MUSE. You may have many MUSE to help tend to the different areas of your life, though this may be true of any of the Positions.

    Now: Evaluate the people in your lives and what role they play, assigning them, as accurately as you can intuit, what String they may be. Evaluate what Position you may be most inclined to play on a wider scale, and then what role you play in other's lives individually. Determine whether you have been playing a Position you are good at or if it has been imposed on you, and vice versa.

    If you find vacant areas in your Support Group, recall that you can ALWAYS find someone to fill the Position, even if they are not from any of your Strings. If you find resistance to a particular Position, start making an agreement upon rising from sleep that you are open to examples, so you can "ease" that Position into your life. Many resist the Discipline Position in daily life, for example, but can still find the experience of that Position's influence at any time. An elderly lady in front of you at the check out counting endless pennies and coupons can heighten your sense of decision making by forcing you to either surrender to the situation in peace, find another check out, or explode with anger. Regardless, the impact of your choice will be immediately apparent, thus, Discipline has been experienced. Many find it difficult to see their Beauty, so they can decide to allow "glimpses" of what it's like by actually listening to that simple compliment from a stranger, or acknowledging the sunset you helped create today.

    Rather than being distracted by what a person isn't giving, now you may be able to identify the gift that's been there all along. Comparing perceptions can also reveal a role you never knew you played for a person so well, or didn't suspect was expected of you. Rather than wander through life thinking these basic elements of Support are missing, ease them in gently, by paying attention to your day.

    The Support has always been there and always will.

    QUESTION: "Can gemstones act as HEALER, because I feel very healed by stones?"

    MICHAEL: Yes, but understand that gemstones are actually a conduit for the Healing source, NOT the Healer Position itself.

    QUESTION: "Are there times when you are naturally more open to your Support Group than at other times?"

    MICHAEL: Yes, of course, since some lifetimes are designed to "go it alone", so to speak. It may appear, at those times, a most isolating experience, but, since that lifetime would naturally be predisposed to isolation, contact may not even be missed. Besides, as we said before, but, here will reiterate, even in the most severely isolated experiences, it is merely illusion. Again, you are always surrounded by Support.

    We will also add that as Soul Age progresses, especially during the Older Soul Ages, there can tend to be a kind of "codginess" indulged in that seems to say, "I've been through so much over so long a time, I don't need anything I can't do for myself!" Old Souls are the most likely to get this bout of prejudice. Observe any room of Old Souls and regardless of their understanding and casual compassion, there is sometimes a secret labeling of each other as "lunatics". So, Old souls can get "set in their ways" and choose to ignore some Support.

    Another delusion of the Personality is that since you are such an OLD SOUL, you must express your strength and Spirituality through "individuality". In light of all offers for support, you must figuratively turn your head and say, "NO, I CAN HANDLE IT...". We do not see who benefits from this act and merely perpetuates your conditions. There is NO ONE to judge you, besides you. YOU MEASURE ALL PROGRESS; there is no other judge. We cannot stress this enough. Therefore, making life "easier" would only make sense, of course, if this is your choice.

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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:55 pm

    yes, naming things gives you a 'relation' point ~ susan Lynne Schwenger
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:56 pm

    Bill Hick's left his final words behind in a note:

    "I left in love, in laughter, and in truth and wherever truth, love and laughter abide, I am there in spirit."

    He died of side effects of his cancer treatment in the presence of his parents at 11:20pm

    on February 26, 1994. He was 32 years old.


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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:57 pm

    "Did you know that any sequencing of note

    always starts in a negative pole"

    - Susan Lynne Schwenger
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:24 pm

    This was posted at a private group
    -most of this lifetime, i have followed what is called 'the michael teachings'
    i was going to post this on oxy's thread
    however, it is likely more about
    death & dying - and, how to live
    and, where we do that...
    here, it is, hope you enjoy it

    it is written by: Kath Neall

    AS: The Logos

    Compilations from the transcripts of the original Michael group.

    [The transcripts of the original Michael Teachings group
    have been determined to be in the public domain.

    Any content or commentary added by the compiler/author is copyright:
    "CC by NC-ND."]

    [Compilation by Kath Neall]


    What is the Logos?

    Logos is one of the most difficult concepts in Greek Philosophy,
    let alone in Michael Teachings where it exists as a set with “Tao”
    and “infinite Soul.”

    It is a Greek word, which extends far back in time,
    and to the early Greek philosophers even then it had several meanings.

    The earliest uses had to do with: opinion, a plea, a “ground” for other discourse,
    an argument, expectations, reason, an account.

    With the philosopher Heraclitus (ca. BCE 500)
    the term became used to mean: a principle, order, harmony or knowledge.

    Later Stoic philosophers would broaden the term
    to denote the divine animating principle that filled the universe.

    In time, Judaism acquired the term under Hellenistic influence
    via Philo of Alexandria (ca. CE 50)
    where the cosmos is an image of the Logos,
    and God is known to man indirectly through the Logos.

    The early founders of Christianity would have to wrestle the term Logos
    out of the hands of Greek philosophers in their attempts
    to battle mysticism, paganism, gnosticism
    and just about anyone else not working out of their playbook.

    I would say that most Western mysticism derives
    from the work of Plotinus (ca. CE 250)
    and the Neo-Platonic school.

    This is because Plotinus would influence all of Western thought,
    be it philosophical or religious, from those arguing either for or against him.

    So, no matter the source of the mysticism
    – Christian, Jewish, Islam or secular
    -- Plotinus comes in somewhere:

    “Plotinus used a trinity concept that consisted of
    "The One", the "Spirit" and "Soul".

    The comparison with the Christian Trinity is inescapable,
    but for Plotinus these were not equal and "The One" was at the highest level,
    with the "Soul" at the lowest.

    For Plotinus, the relationship between the three elements of his trinity
    is conducted by the outpouring of Logos from the higher principle,
    and eros (loving) upward from the lower principle."

    See Wikipedia on Logos.

    Further, Christian apologetics are filled with ideas of the Logos.

    But the term itself rarely filtered down to daily use among the faithful
    and in general, evokes blank stares when used in modern conversation.

    In the late 19th century a movement of mystical thought
    into open use would again draw on Neo-Platonic ideas
    as a mode of expression.

    Hermetic thought, Christian mysticism, Theosophy and Spiritualism
    among others would revisit both Platonic and Neo-Platonic ideas
    available to them in many different versions.

    The importance of the term “Logos” in TOMG (TOMG=THE ORIGINAL MICHAEL GROUP)
    comes from the fact that the group understood the concept as something
    that could be both taught and shared.

    Their use of the word predated their contact with the Michael Entity
    on the Ouija board.

    For instance, the very first occurrence of this word is on Tuesday, July 3, 1973,
    one of the earliest sessions we have transcripts for
    and the source channeled is Soleal:

    Richard meditated silently on the question of whether or not,
    if we got heavily involved in propagating the Logos,
    and were arrested for our activities and incarcerated,
    there would be a possibility of rescue.
    Sarah and Richard both acknowledged that they had no fear of being gassed or hung, but did fear long imprisonments.
    We can do it

    RH: I would like to ask Soleal – because of studying Gurdjieff,
    I've come to believe that the only possibility for anything is through individual personal growth, and not through trying to change things like political systems.
    I would like to know if this is correct.
    Not entirely.
    Someone must teach the Logos in the first [place].
    As the population grows, the teachers increase.
    Some people need much more personal direction.
    Reading will not help them.
    Are you ready to take on that task?

    The next time the word Logos occurs it is used by the Michael Entity, Aug 21, 1973:

    Question: What are allies [a term used by Don Juan in the Carlos Castaneda books]?
    Allies was a word used by a relatively unlettered being
    to describe the forces manifesting.
    Some he created and combated.
    This enabled him to override the heredity of superstitions
    and open himself to positive experience.
    His “man of knowledge” means the same as the “one in whom the Logos resides.” [snip]

    It is not readily clear what the meaning of the term Logos
    was for the original group, but it is used several times throughout the transcripts,
    and was rarely elaborated on indicating pre-existing knowledge.
    From here this compilation will attempt to organize the occurrences
    of the term Logos by the general form of the discussion.
    This is not necessarily the best way to arrange this compilation
    but in the interest of students meeting the concept on their own ground
    it will have to do.
    [Also, see comment below on vocabulary definitions.]

    Kath 12/22/2011

    Understanding the Logos

    What is meant by [Jesus] saying He was the Son of God?

    You are all sons of “God.”
    This man, before the Infinite Soul manifested,
    referred to himself as the servant of man.
    The Infinite Soul said, “I am the Word.”
    The Infinite Soul manifested during a period of intense meditation and fasting,
    and “the sermon on the mount” was the first uttering of the Infinite Soul.

    What is the meaning of, “I am the Word”?

    The Logos, the truth, the absolute, the order of things.

    [Can you comment on the saying]
    “Thy kingdom come, (when you hear the Word,) thy will be done.”

    The Word is uttered, the way is made known;
    if you chose the path, evolution will occur. [11/22/1973]


    In regard to Christ, when the Ouija board said,
    “When the teacher dies, the teaching dies,” did they mean Christ?

    The descent of the high Mental body supersedes all that has gone before.
    The high Mental body does not live in the sense that you know life.
    When the 'Avatar' descends, the Logos is brought to bear.
    This is not a teaching.
    When the avatar descends again, the Logos will again be brought to bear,
    but in the language of today.
    Teachings are interpretations of the Logos.
    They must be updated, not because the Logos changes, but because language does.

    What is “Logos”?
    Sarah Chambers: THE knowledge.
    RH: “In the beginning was the word. The word was God.” [John 1:1.]
    Sarah Chambers: They are saying the teachings aren’t the Logos;
    they are just the interpretations of the Logos and the interpretations
    have to be constantly changed. [09/08/1973]


    RH: When love is turned on, this in itself puts you on a high.
    Maybe that’s “man #4” [balanced man] according to Gurdjieff and it is not permanent.

    The love of the Logos or agape permeated the being of Jesus
    even prior to the manifestation.
    He lived for the Word.
    The quest for spiritual liberation took precedence over all things,
    sometimes to his despair.
    Prior to manifestation this was an Emotionally Centered Mercury-Saturn.
    He was passionate and sensual.
    When others rejected his opinions, he was astonished. [10/06/1973]


    Did Christ know about atomic theory when He was in the physical body?

    Not as an Old Soul, but when the high Mental body manifested,
    it brought the sum of the Logos to bear. [10/08/1973]


    What is the difference between meditation and concentration?

    Meditation is the emptying of the mind of maya.
    Concentration is the active acquisition of higher knowledge: the Logos. [09/08/1973]


    How can we tell what is from Jesus and what is the Logos?

    This teaching should enable you to differentiate. [01/20/1974]

    Teaching the Logos

    We have also been wondering if there was anything else
    that had not been communicated yet by the teacher.

    As for new information, we endeavor to present some new information
    whenever we have your attention
    — new in the sense that perhaps you have never thought of it
    in quite that light before.
    However, dear students, you have heard all that there is to hear.
    Our task, as we see it, is to continue to present the body of this Logos
    until a student grasps at its meaning and begins to apply it and teach it to others.
    We will continue to present it and since we are not limited by physical time,
    we can serve it up to you in an infinite variety of frames.
    Perhaps we have just not hit upon the winning combination.
    After all, yours is, as you have said many times,
    a verbal culture and the words are eventually what you will hear,
    and then they can be translated into the action.
    RH has hit upon the meaning of this teaching,
    but his understanding is still basically intellectual and philosophical
    rather than emotional and transcendental. [11/04/1977]


    I have a complaint and comment and a question.
    I don’t seem to be able to change knowledge into being
    and I don’t feel any different.

    [Snip] Your life is not geared for understanding, just toiling.
    We know that this is difficult for RH and RC.
    However, Jesus was trying to tell this same truth two thousand years ago.
    We keep telling you: you must choose your path.
    If that [chosen path] is spiritual liberation,
    then you must eliminate the distractions of maya.
    If the goal is different, then the path will be different
    and you are correct in assuming that we don’t care [which path you choose].
    We impart the Logos dispassionately.
    It is yours to accept or reject. [10/06/1973]


    I am concerned about the slow growth of the group.
    It was said that we should spread the Logos.

    It is the manner in which it is being presented that frightens many.
    Arrange the data in some suitable form and teach it yourselves.
    We will be with you to keep you from embellishing. [10/13/1973]


    ES: If I understand the Logos correctly,
    there seems to be four features dominant in each of us.
    My question is, is there one more important than the other?
    I see the four:
    (l) the constitution you are born with, Essence or if you are born with brain damage;
    (2) the level [Age] of the soul;
    (3) Centering;
    (4) Body Types;
    (5) Roles. Is there a line of relationship that we can be guided by?
    Is there one more important than another?

    Socrates said, “Know thyself.”

    ES: He's avoiding the question.

    All of these overlays come into play. You must learn their significance.
    A by-product of this will be a far deeper understanding of the others,
    which must be learnt before you can truly feel agape. [10/23/1973]


    TW: What can I do?

    Make substantial strides toward affecting [effecting?] the synthesis.

    EM: With the out-of-the-body experience, we can contact them directly
    on the Astral Plane?

    Just listen to us when we talk to you. With Priests, that is easy.

    TW: I hear. What can I do with this?

    Propagate the Logos. This isn’t trite. We expect this teaching to reach others.
    We are not just hollering down the rain barrel. [12/31/1973]


    MJ: I’d like to ask about a dream I had last night.
    I was dancing and became dizzy. I have a feeling I could use dancing in my therapy.

    That is valid. You could make significant contributions from Essence.

    I’d really never given it much thought before.

    Because it brings you pleasure of a sensual sort
    and you cannot translate this into “work.”

    I would like to know if there is somewhere I could go for this training,
    and if I could use it to help people.

    That is valid. You could conceivably bring this to an entire community
    that would be receptive to this in the near future.
    You can learn the Sufi dances and also folk dancing helps some
    to act out their fantasies.
    This can be the most valuable for essentially nonverbal, strictured souls.

    BJ: Does this mention of Alexandria in Egypt
    have anything to do with the “White Brotherhood”?

    By all means.

    We wish for you the opportunity to propagate the Logos.
    How you do it should be as comfortable as possible,
    so that you can devote yourself best to growth and not to struggle. [01/22/1974]


    Sarah Chambers: I am seeking a way of life within the group,
    not to become more effective in the milieu.

    There is a way, you know, that this teaching can serve the needs of all who seek,
    and you have it within the original nucleus to perform this service.
    Those who have the need for intensified personal searches can arrange for this.
    Those who are not certain of their level of commitment may find
    that the general session is adequate for them.
    The smaller sessions are most valuable for the more committed students
    and definitely should be reserved for that purpose.
    There is some merriment derived in the general session
    merely by pursuing some of the less dedicated students’ personal agendas,
    and this will benefit all.
    We still see the tendency in all of you to expect of the others
    and to be disappointed when the anticipated reaction does not come about.
    This cannot be avoided unless much intensive work is done.
    We could do this with you, and we are always available for this.
    There is a need for some diversification here now with all of the parts
    contributing toward a greater whole in the end.

    We have not suggested that the nucleus of this teaching expand
    to the point where needs are no longer being served.
    We are concerned only that you share the knowledge
    once it has been assimilated and verified.

    We have a method by which all of you can choose to achieve a modicum of growth
    on a spiritual plane.
    Many of you can even use it as a springboard toward becoming an Adept.
    This is entirely up to you.
    We will find many vehicles through which we can teach the Logos
    — this does not present us with a problem.
    We answer all calls for this teaching.

    What is the method?

    We have been transmitting this to you, but many have not heard.
    This teaching has implicit within it the method of which we speak.

    NC: The method is to live the teaching in an attitude of love.

    Individual verification of the given material is perhaps
    the most vital precept upon which this teaching is based,
    for this process alone opens the door to expanded perception,
    which is, of course, necessary in order to experience agape (love),
    and thus grow spiritually. [02/24/1974]


    Question: In order to teach the Logos,
    must we get rid of problems, such as cultural problems, before we teach?

    We would agree with that.
    Where major conflicts stand as significant barriers
    between the students and the Logos, then the student can seek the guidance group.
    Most of you, though, are in a position
    where you can begin to look at your own conflicts,
    and with our help work through them. [03/27/1974]


    In CIF and EST we were exposed to much knowledge.
    What is the purpose of these for us?

    This answer would be much the same for all in this room.
    That is, to synthesize and verify this knowledge so that you can be
    in a better space to promulgate the Logos. [06/19/1974]


    Could Michael give us some of JB's Agreements on the Astral Plane?

    This student has elected to reach a large number of souls
    with what he discerns as the Logos.
    This to us represents a good beginning,
    although on the surface this may seem to be a commercial venture,
    the observations are at a deeper level,
    and the Essence here has more influence than you would think.
    Although he is still quite “asleep”
    [a Gurdjieff term for those not fully in contact with Essence],
    he does follow many intuitive drives. [11/20/1974]


    [snip] The role of observer will be the best choice by far,
    and the continuing offering of insights.
    Both are able to look at their Overleaves
    and choose to alter them into workable ones,
    but the vocabulary and the groundwork is simply not there
    for the expression and grasping of the teaching
    in the same intellectual fashion that is being given
    to these students here.
    In this case, the preliminary concepts must be expressed,
    and this in a sense will make the eventual reading more valuable
    to beginners on the path.
    One does not have to see the Logos in terms of the synthesis that you have received,
    in order to see it.
    [Source is not Michael, but another Causal Entity, per Sarah Chambers]. [01/31/1975]


    [snip] Yes, they can write books and the like to promulgate the Logos
    to other scholarly souls.
    You can express the Logos through the arts.
    We would have you review the prophesy we have given this world,
    as well as others.
    The technology will expend itself of its own accord,
    perhaps not in the lifetime now, but it will.
    This is only a start.
    We have seen this happen before and all we ask is that you look dispassionately
    at the alternatives now open to you.
    That you may accelerate this,
    if you wish, is the essence of which we speak. [02/12/1975]


    [snip] Please stop associating religion with the “church.”
    Religion is the ecstasy of the Logos.
    In your society, the church is a business in Artificial Space.
    One is of the Essence; one is not.
    One is in Real Space; one is not.
    Preparing an altar for the experience can be third line work of the highest order,
    or it can be a drudge
    — or even worse, it can be a mockery.
    Or better yet, for those in the work, it can be the gift of higher expression. [02/16/1975 Soleal]


    What is the Agreement?

    It has to do with the rendering of a service.
    Yes, it will be your way of expressing the Logos.
    Yes, the three of you are ideally suited to his task.
    [Undated private Session for ET]




    The Logos Brought to Bear

    Sarah Chambers: The Transcendental and Infinite Souls do not manifest in a physical body.

    That is essentially correct.
    The high Causal body [Transcendental Soul]
    manifests only in times of social or religious unrest.
    Then if the revolution does not come about,
    the high Mental body [Infinite Soul] manifests
    and brings the Logos to bear.
    The Mature Soul can also accelerate within the cycle.
    Young Souls can burn karmic ribbons rapidly, sometimes,
    and accelerate. Elizabeth Blackwell and Florence Nightingale are examples;
    Louis Pasteur, Walter Reed, Marie Curie,
    [and] Frank Lloyd Wright accelerated. [09/18/1973]


    EM: Can you explain reality and unreality?

    The ‘realities,’ of course, depend upon the perceiver.
    This session itself is a good example.
    Some in this room perceive us as real; others do not.
    The same could be said of unidentified flying objects
    and most unexplained phenomena.
    Another concept of ‘reality’ begins with widespread agreement
    that a certain object is real.
    We think that Bishop [George] Berkeley had a few words on this subject.
    There is, of course, an ultimate reality that is absolute.
    This can only be glimpsed when the Logos is brought to bear.

    Physical things are very real on the Physical plane,
    and should be respected as such in order to avoid possible serious collisions
    with doors that are really and truly there.
    On the Astral [plane], things are truly real on the Astral plane.
    In another frame of reference, the same admonition
    [to be careful of ‘real’ things] holds true.
    We on this plane also perceive certain Causal phenomenon as ‘real’
    and there is agreement.
    We believe that holds true for the high planes.
    This same subject has been occupying philosophers happily now
    for many thousands of years.
    There is, oddly enough, always an opposing opinion that goes something like:
    accept that nothing is real. Does this suggest anything to you? [11/08/1973]


    Could we ask for a general comment?

    Honesty without guile, simplicity without poverty of soul, love without material expectations, emptying the life of all nonessential considerations, the endless cycles of evolution with the Physical Plane being the crudest and roughest — these are the things emphasized in the true teachings of Christ [as the Infinite Soul].

    Whereby Jesus’ statement “I can do nothing”?

    He could do nothing.
    That is true of all, without the other forces holding the universe together
    — all of these combined are necessary to perpetuate the cycles.
    Knowing how it happens does not give you cart blanche to go and do it.
    Many people were disappointed in Jesus because he did nothing physical
    about their woes.
    This will be the case again.
    The Infinite Soul does not come to lead the troops.
    The Infinite Soul comes to bring the Logos to bear.
    It is up to you to listen and take your own action. [11/22/1973]


    Could you explain the Sermon on the Mount.
    I do not understand it. All my life I’ve been asking people.

    [Ed. Note: Snipped explanation of the Sermon on the Mount,
    which was the first manifestation of the Infinite Soul.]

    Greek thought had much influence on the man Jesus,
    particularly Epicurus, but it would have been impossible for him
    to espouse the words of this pagan philosopher from the porticoes of the temple.
    Then when the Infinite Soul manifested,
    the Logos was brought to bear in the language of the times,
    transcribed by a Roman tax collector [Matthew]
    and an Emotionally Centered Greek physician (Luke).
    Epicurus had a most profound influence on all of the philosophy of the time,
    surpassing that of the Stoic, Zeno.
    This philosophy was made to order for the Sadducees,
    who also appealed to this young man’s sensitive nature.
    The Epicurean thought pattern is what you all are striving to accomplish. [12/25/1973]


    [snip] All of you now have the chance again to hear the words
    and be a part of the manifestation of the Logos;
    also, a chance to sit at the feet of the master.
    All of you also now have the opportunity to participate in a movement
    toward peaceful world dominion
    — this time without the bloodshed of the past. [snip] [10/19/1974]




    Misc Mentions of Logos

    I would like to know the relationships between the caste system of India and Roles?

    There was [a relationship] in the beginning when Sri Krishna
    brought the Logos to bear. This has since become blurred by ambition and material desires. [11/15/1973]


    What does the Scholar seek?

    The Scholar seeks to define the Logos. [10/01/1974]


    Will Soleal’s visit be a precursor for the Infinite Soul manifestation?

    This student will not be a vehicle for the Transcendental Soul on this planet,
    no, but it will be a part of the initial surge, yes.
    He has taken as his task the “proof” of the universality of the Logos:
    that truth there [on his planet] is truth here [on earth]. [11/10/1974]

    I learn that most everything I do each day is Epicurean in nature:
    what I accept, what I reject; what is attractive, what is repulsive; what I study (currently it's fermenting foods to promote gut health),
    what I practice (cleaning up diet, cleaning up thoughts), and most importantly for me, living a simple life. All the things that have become a part of my daily routine are my (previously unconscious) efforts to attain pleasure and freedom from fear, as described perfectly in Kath's definition of Epicureanism.
    If this is as high as I go this lifetime,
    I'll be quite satisfied.
    And there is much growth to come as concerns the challenges of aging.

    Wow! This is definitely an aha! moment for me.
    It feels much more balanced than believing all things and/or believing no-things.
    I have found my middle ground--paganism.

    Sorry, but this is the first time I've come to this link. And I just want to say that your introduction is one of the most beautiful and clear things of yours I've ever seen. It helps me so much to get a glimpse of the history of the word and it's meaning. Thank you.

    Vocabulary:

    prom·ul·gate
    verb (used with object)
    1. to make known by open declaration; publish; proclaim formallybor put into operation (a law, decree of a court, etc.).
    2. to set forth or teach publicly (a creed, doctrine, etc.)

    prop·a·gate
    verb (used with object)
    1. to cause (an organism) to multiply by any process of natural reproduction from the parent stock.
    2. to reproduce (itself, its kind, etc.), as an organism does.
    3. to transmit (hereditary features or elements) to, or through, offspring.
    4. to spread (a report, doctrine, practice, etc.) from person to person; disseminate.
    5. to cause to increase in number or amount.

    lo·gos
    noun
    1. ( often initial capital letter ) Philosophy . the rational principle that governs and develops the universe.
    2. Theology . the divine word or reason incarnate in Jesus Christ. John 1:1–14.

    Epicureanism

    Epicurus believed that pleasure is the greatest good.
    But the way to attain pleasure was to live modestly and to gain knowledge
    of the workings of the world and the limits of one's desires.
    This led one to attain a state of tranquility (ataraxia) and freedom from fear,
    as well as absence of bodily pain (aponia).
    The combination of these two states is supposed to constitute happiness
    in its highest form. Although Epicureanism is a form of hedonism,
    insofar as it declares pleasure as the sole intrinsic good,
    its conception of absence of pain as the greatest pleasure
    and its advocacy of a simple life make it different from "hedonism" as it is commonly understood.

    Any comments are welcomed !!!
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    What the world needs NOW
    is 'support circles'
    -Susan Lynne Schwenger
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:31 am

    Bill Hick's left his final words behind in a note:

    "I left in love, in laughter, and in truth and wherever truth, love and laughter abide, I am there in spirit."

    He died of side effects of his cancer treatment in the presence of his parents at 11:20pm

    on February 26, 1994. He was 32 years old.


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    Post  THEeXchanger on Wed May 22, 2013 8:43 am

    His last words ...

    (in the hospice)

    As, I was sitting with my Dad

    I heard the words

    'Oh God', slide out of my Dad's mouth.

    It surprised me,

    since, my Dad believed 'the end' was 'the end".

    One of my Aunt's wandered into the room

    and, sat down.

    Again, my dad said, "OH GOD"

    and, I said,

    "did you just hear what he said ?

    he said that, just before you came into the room, now he is saying it again

    perhaps, Dad is having some kind of internal dialogue

    with The Creator."

    To which, my aunt said,

    "i think, its just an expression, and, you should NOT take any kind of meaning out of it"

    Approximately three minutes later,

    my father spoke again,

    he said, "OH GOD".

    I know, in the end,

    my Dad was having a private meeting with The Creator

    and, his final passing words have touched deeply into my heart

    in a very rare and special way.

    ~ Susan Lynne Schwenger
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    intersting chart
    showing positive & negative poles

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiB3mAYYDl--dDZiSXZRVHNfVGdBUUlrdlBtenNSTFE#gid=0

    made me realize a few things
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    DO YOU FEEL, OR, DO YOU THINK
    that you are part of 'the waking dead' ???

    if so, here is a suggestion:

    "remember to invite your guides/guardians to bead,
    or to work with you
    - sometimes, if you do NOT do that
    - you miss the real spark, that comes in to work with you - you are NEVER ALONE, unless of course, you choose to be alone
    - you are, what you choose to allow,
    NO MORE...NO LESS"
    ~ Susan Lynne Schwenger
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:58 am

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    The Eulogy for My Dad
    -Murray Bruce “Muff” Schwenger
    31 OCT 1931 -  08 MAY 2013
    Delivered: 14 May 2013
    – Turner & Porter,  Butler Chapel
     

     
    Thank you  for choosing to invest your time
     in being here with all of us today.
     
    Dad always said,
    “That an investment of time into  others
    was one of the only things,
    That would pay back the type of dividends
    that were truly worth chasing after in this lifetime.
     
    The Master of Time,
    was almost always right,
    except when it came to futures.
     
    To see myself, and my family surrounded by
    so many good people that Dad loved,
    and, who loved our Dad
    is  absolutely amazing.
     
    Thank you for choosing to be here,
    to share in this
    ~Our last good-bye to him.
     
    Thank you to all of you
    ~for loving us.
     
    A Special “Thank You”
    To George & Carol Handy – Provost
     for setting up the special Memorial tables.
     
    A Special “thank you”
    To Bill & Janice Handy – Spring
    For the special meal prepared with love
    for the family yesterday.
    The time give to prepare  The Order of Service
    agenda and  brochure.
    ~Your eye for the fine details, 
    Along with your investment of time
    your caring & loving input
    Has greatly assisted us in putting this all together
    With measures of grace and with ease.
     
    Our family, will be eternally grateful to all of you.
     
    On behalf of my family, we thank you
    From the bottoms of our heart !!!
     
    And, of course,
    A  special thank you to all of you
    Who have helped us & stood by us.
    During the times before,
    and, those times in the hospice
    Without all of you,  and, your help
    this would have been a lot harder to bear.
    And, much more stressful than it was.
     
    There are far too many,
    To stop, to recognize you all personally
     in this precise moment.
     
    However,  we know who you are
    and, that is all that is important.
    So, thank you !!!
     
    Thank You  for coming out today
     to exchange with all of us.
     
    I’d like to start out by saying:
    I was always incredibly proud to be
    Murray Bruce “Muff” Schwenger’s daughter
     
    MURRAY BRUCE “MUFF” SCHWENGER
    Was  born on the 31st of October in 1931
    On  Hallowe’en evening at 10:31 pm EST
    Weighing in at a whopping 10 lbs 3.1 oz...
    His Mother Goldie, my grandmother
    always said it made him,
    her “Special Triple TEN DASH THIRTY ONE
    Trick or Treat”.
     
    He  had an older sister, Lucille
    who married Barry Yates
    And, he had an older brother,
     Wallace who married Jean Bird.
     
    Losing his beloved mother "Goldie"
    at the tender age of 21, in 1953
    ~had a major impact on My Dad’s life
     
    Fortunately Mum came into DAD’s Life,
    And, brought with her some trying amazing people
     ~ her parents Viola Drury & James Edward Handy Jr.
    ~and Grandma Teresa Kopitowski – Drury
    Which gave dad back some ‘new-found’ mothers.
     
    He also gained brothers Merv & Donald
    And sisters Joan, Janice & Carol.
    As, well as, Marg Ryan, Gloria Airhartyt, Alice Deforge, Lloyd Fletcher, William Spring, George Provost,
    And Michael Moloney.  
     
    And, he loved each & everyone of them,
    As, if they were his own blood brothers & blood sisters.
     
     
     
    They  blessed him with a wonderful & rich assortment
    of nieces & nephews,  who loved him,
    and, who he loved dearly,
    and, they almost all called him “Uncle Muff”
     
    To many of his friends,  he was known simply as “Muff”.
     
    To his beloved wife of 56 years, he was known as “Murr”.
     
    There are a lot of amazing words
    I would have to utilize to describe My Dad
     & The Assortment of Great Lessons
    that he spent his valuable time to teach me.
     
     
    ~In a nutshell,
    he was a ‘real’ Master of Time
     
    He ran his private life & his public life the same...
    He taught us, the great lessons of:
    Acceptance & Appreciation
    Bravery & Courage
    Compassion & Courtesy
    Fair mindedness
    Forgiveness & Grace
    Honour & Humility
    Patience & Perseverance 
    Respect for Authority & Respect for Elders
    Which resulted in my own knowing
    & understanding of:
    The importance of being in loving service to others .
     
     
     
     
    My Dad was a great story-teller
    ~stuffed full of a lot of Stories & Wisdom
    and he applied & infused measures of all of these things
    Into the equations he weaved in his life.
     
    Truth was important to My Dad,
    Because it is the highest expression of love.
     
    My Dad was known for his beautiful handwriting,
    Along with his long beautiful, gentle, large fingers
    – and, highly skilled healing hands.
     
    For awhile, I believed all men possessed this skill
    Sadly, I was disappointed,
    When I discovered that this was NOT  a truth
    but, rather my dad was a very rare & talented man.
     
    He fixed many special things, for many special people.
     
    He was my own private Mr. Fix it !!!
     
    Back when i was 2, i broke a glass,
    Before anyone could react to what had happened,
    I piped up, and, said
    “That is OK, Daddy can fix it !!!”
     
    I grew  up, believing all men could fix anything
    Sadly, i was oft times disappointed
    Since, that was NOT a real truth.
     
    It took me a long time to find a good man
    Like my dad,  fortunately,
    i have found those same type of measures
    in my good friend & life partner Tim Restoule.
     
    One of the greatest lessons,
    My father ever taught me,
    Was the investment of ‘giving unselfishly of your time’ .
     
    Thank you for all choosing to make the investment
    of your valuable time to be here with all of us today...
    Today marks  an important passage in time.
     
    It is a day, where I get to say my last goodbyes
    To my Dad.
     
    The caring, kind & thoughtful things
    many of you have done for all of us,
    During both of my parents struggles with cancer
    And, during my fathers last days
    Which spans NOT only over the last five years,
    But, over our complete lifetime,
    Has NOT gone unnoticed.
     
    It is through all of you,
    That many of us,
    Get to learn the lessons associated with
    giving of your time unselfishly to others.
     
    This ironically was one of Mum’s  & Dad’s
    Greatest attributes.
     
    The true gift of time can NOT be measured...
    For  everyone who was ever lucky enough
    & fortunate to have their paths cross with DAD
    they would all tell you,
    he was always a ‘treat’ to be around
    ~even right up until the very end.
     
     
    He NEVER shared with me any of his fears,
    Although, I am sure, he must of had them.
     
    In many ways, he always spent a lot of his time
    protecting his family, and, keeping us safe
    and,  He did this right up until the end.
     
    There are a lot of parts of this last five years,
    that still seem totally surreal
    ~in fact, I might find myself trying to describe it
    Like a bad dream or a nightmare.
     
    And, for the first time, in my own life,
    i just didn’t know what to do.
     
    The question of
    ~How on earth can bad things happen to good people ?
    Surfaced frequently.
     
    Dad was always clever, creative & innovative.
     
    Dad always had an amazing sense of humour,
    Which resulted in him coming up with
    An assortment of funny things to do to people !!!
     
    Fortunately, the bulk of these things
    Fit into the category of harmless pranks,
    which after the initial fear factor,
    left a lasting impression .
    Which solicited hugs, smiles, tears & laughter
    From others.
     
    It seems Dad reserved these hilarious
    “treats & tricks”
    for those people that he loved the most !!!
     
    Dad had a special way of being
    ~he was genuine & real
    ~his smile & his laugh where both contagious
    ~he lit up a room with his presence when he entered it
     
    Dad loved the ritual of dressing up~ hallowe’en style
     
    Dad also loved getting dressed up,
    Putting his #1 Dolly – My MUM on his arm,
    And, going out bowling, dancing or to a good movie.
     
    He also enjoyed ‘eating’ good food.
     
    He almost always looked good & smelled good.
     
    He took great pride in his ability to accomplish &
    Complete projects, he could fix almost anything.
     
    My Dad was born in The Steel City of Hamilton
    back in 1931, and, perhaps that lent Dad
    one of the true measures of his many strengths.
     
    Up to age 6, he spent his time spread between
    The family home in Hamilton, Ontario &
    Cedar Springs near Kilbride,  Ontario
    where they lived in a log cabin with a stone fireplace
    Which overlooked  16 mile creek, and, a golf course.
     
    It was built with loving hands by his father Albert,
    as a wedding present
    For his mother Goldie Cameron Mckenzie.
     
     
    For one year, they lived on HWY 10 in a grand old house with a big clock in front
    ~which very likely created his early interest in the inner workings of clocks & watches.
     
    My Dad was NOT only a Master Horologist
     aka Clock & Watchmaker, but also a
     Graduate Jeweler (GJ)
    Who practiced his art for exactly 60 years,
    Since he graduated from school on the 7th of May 1953,
    And, crossed over on the 8th of May 2013.
     
    More importantly,
    my dad was a real Master of Time
    ~He was a man who understood the ‘real’ value
    of exchanging & sharing his time
    Unselfishly with others...
    He was a great exchanger & incredible teacher
    who created the type of friendships with others,
    that lasted  for his entire lifetime.
     
    In 1939, when Dad was in his 9th year (Cool,
    His family moved away from the steel city
    to The Big Smoke aka Toronto
    into the heart of Bloor West Village
    and, they lived at 319 Durie Street.
     
    Albert & Goldie instilled the importance
    of getting a good education,
    the love of cottage life,  being out in nature
    & the great outdoors.
    ~fishing, golfing, hunting, skiing, racket  & water sports where all featured prominently.
     
    Dad excelled at every one of them.
     
    Living amongst nature gave Murray
    a very healthy respect for all living things,
    Which he also instilled into his own family.
     
    His mother was an avid 'rock' & 'wild-flower' gardener,
    As, well as, an expert quilter
    ~she was killed by a drunk truck driver on Hamilton Mountain in 1953
    When Dad was in his 22nd year.
     
    She left behind a half finished double wedding band quilt,  which is on display here, in its finished form.
     
    This quilt was  finished by Lynda's mother Viola Mae Drury - Handy, my grandmother
    & Grandmother Efie aka Theresa Kopitowski – Drury, my great-grandmother.
    ~so, it is very rare, to have one quilt,
    that was made by 2 mothers & 1 grandmother.
     
    Today, it is just one of our assortment of  
    real family treasures.
     
    Dad was always a great lover of dogs & cats in his childhood.
     
    He also had his own 'in house' breeding business of tropical fish which he brought into his married life
    with Mum.
     
     One of my Dad’s  favourite past times was dancing.
     
    He was an accomplished Square Dancer
    & Square Dance Caller.
    He taught me
    &  his granddaughter “Jamie” how to dance.
     
    He also enjoyed the social dances at
     The Palias Royale
     on The Lake in Toronto.
    which is where, Mum & Dad
    first met back in July of 1954.
     
    One of the things, that my dad always said to me,
    Was that the first time, he ever danced with Mum
    He knew, without any doubts or any reservations,
    that she was the girl for him.
     
    ~There have been many times in my life
    That I, along with many others have marvelled
    at their ability to dance together
    NOT as two, but, as one.
     
    Music was another love in My Dad’s life.
     
    My Mum once said to me,
    If there was any song,
    That summed up, everything My Dad,
    Was to her, it would be  the song “Perhaps Love”
    By Placido Domingo & Johnny Denver.
     
    Dad proposed to my mum on her birthday
    the 5th of January 1956
    And, on the 19th of May 1956 they were married.
     
    Their union lasted almost 57 years,
     
    He left earth, just 11 days short of their 57th Anniversary.
     
    He honoured his wedding vows, right to the very end.
     
    ~The most remarkable gift Dad ever gave me,
    Was, that he truly loved Mum.
     
    Their union was a great love story.
     
    After Dad & Mum got married
    They lived in Mum’s Apartment from her single days
    And, they eventually moved into Grandpa Schwenger’s  house to save money for there own house,
    while Lucille his sister
    lived at Cedar Springs during the summer.
     
    They also lived briefly,
    in a flat at 387 Durie Street,
    prior to purchasing a home,
    at 7 Henley Crescent in Rexdale in 1957
    next door to The Mandersons who had 9 children.
     
    Mum had made Dad agree to having six children,
    before she accepted his engagement ring. 
     
    After struggling with 9 months of terrible illnesses associated with pregnancies while carrying Ken & me
    -they decided that having 2 children was enough !!!
     
     
     
    From Patter to Spooky, Daisy to Buddy
    Dad loved all of our cats
    ~ after the death of Buddy
    Dad secretly visited the Etobicoke Humane  Society
    ~ however, he was never quite brave enough to come home with The  5th cat.
     
    Dad was a good man
    ~he was a great provider
    ~he excelled in the things that truly matter
     
    He gave us the greatest gift of all,
    he always, and, in all ways gave us his time,
    and, he did that unselfishly.
     
    He helped us become & develop into good people.
     
    His ability to help people to fix things,
    Along with his caring, kind, and thoughtful nature
    Lead him to experiencing a very rich & full life.
     
    With 4 good cats, and, 1 good wife
    Along with  2 good kids,
    you would think, that would be enough.
     
    Mum & Dad often opened their home,
    To assist others, in their time of need
     
    They always were caring, considerate, kind, loyal,
    loving, loveable and thoughtful towards  each other,
    and, to others.
     
    My first camping & fishing trip with my dad
    Consisted of a Canvas Tent with no floor
    And 13 Poles – Back in 1962, at the age of 3 ½
     
    When the two of us
    Set off for the great white north alone
    -Dad had me in an inner tube catching little green frogs for bait, and, he was fishing right off a dock
    -he’d set down his pole for just a minute
    And, the big whopper hit the line
    And, before you knew it
    -his pole was sliding of dock and into the water
    -Dad did NOT take any kind of defeat easy
    So, off came the watch, he handed it to me,
    and, he told me to stay exactly where I was,
    and, he actually dove into the water,
    after the fishing pole, at that particular moment,
    I was sure, I’d lost my dad forever
    -anyway, as, most good fishing stories go
    The Whopper got away, he recaptured his pole
    And, our camping & fishing trip continued.
     
    Dad was also kind to his own father
    Taking him away on boating trips to fish, hunt & camp.
     
    ~The Lessons about interacting in NATURE
    started young.
     
    Dad only had ONE major rule...
    And, it was a simple one !!!
     
    -“You always leave a place,
    better than you found it “
    ~Murray Bruce “Muff” Schwenger
     
    You always use up, anything you take,
    & that old adage of waste NOT, want NOT
    Was the cardinal rule!!!
     
    And,
    If there is a good use for something,
    you do NOT throw it out !!!
     
     
    This earth & this world has become a better place
    because Murray Bruce “Muff” Schwenger
     exchanged & lived in it for over 81 years.
     
     The last conversation, that I shared with Dad
    Was exactly, what I thought it would be,
    Although, I had always hoped, and, always prayed,
    That something would occur,
    that would miraculously heal him.
     
    The set of circumstances that were beginning to play themselves out were definitely NOT leading
     in that direction.
     
    On my last visit to Dad with Tim,
    before he went off to the hospice,
    He asked me, to promise to get
    Ken & Pam, Allan & Jamie, & Tim & myself
    To look after, as, well as look out for My Mum
    in the days to come.
     
    I know, it will be both an honour & a privilege
    To honour this, his last request !!!
     
    Looking around this room,
    And, seeing the type of people
    who were Dad’s & Mum’s family & friends
    it gives me that inner sense of real knowing,
    that my Dad was truly the greatest man
    that I have ever known
    – fortunately for me,
    Tim Restoule is just like him.
     
     
     
    One of the greatest things about DAD
    Was, that he was always,
     ready, willing & able to lend his ear or his hand.
     
    He valued ‘good friends’
    And, could always be relied upon
    As, your confident & your best friend.
     
    If, something was broken
    He always knew how to FIX- IT !!!
     
    I’ve often heard my mother say...
    “It is, what it is”
    But, is it ?
     
    I know that my life,
    without My Dad is NOT going to be the same again
    ~and, I know I am going to miss him.
     
    You know, if I had to think of
    the greatest gift My Dad ever gave  To Ken & I,
    I’d have to say,
    It was that he truly loved Our Mum.
    I know it allowed us,
    to grow up in a house that was very balanced,
    a place that was full of love, peace & tranquility
    &  we both were able to transport all of that,
    into our own two lives with our partners.
     
    So, Thank You Dad,
    for The All the great life of lessons,
    and, for  loving all of us
     
     
     
    Thank you for always making sure
    that I have always known
    I was loved each & every day of my life.
     
    I love you, Dad,
    and I will miss you more than I can say.
     
    With all my love, and, my respect
     
    Until we cross paths again,
     
    JOURNEY WELL !!!
     
    Your daughter,
    Susan Lynne Schwenger

     
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:58 am

    This video features the 1980 recording of song
    "Perhaps Love", sung by John Denver & Plácido Domingo.




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=toYfeN0ACDw

     

    John Denver & Plácido Domingo in Studio - Perhaps Love (1980) 

    Perhaps love is like a resting place
    A shelter from the storm
    It exists to give you comfort
    It is there to keep you warm
    And in those times of trouble
    When you are most alone
    The memory of love will bring you home

    Perhaps love is like a window
    Perhaps an open door
    It invites you to come closer
    It wants to show you more
    And even if you lose yourself
    And don't know what to do
    The memory of love will see you through

    Oh, love to some is like a cloud
    To some as strong as steel
    For some a way of living
    For some a way to feel
    And some say love is holding on
    And some say letting go
    And some say love is everything
    And some say they don't know

    Perhaps love is like the ocean
    Full of conflict, full of Pain
    Like a fire when it's cold outside
    Or thunder when it rains
    If I should live forever
    And all my dreams come true
    My memories of love will be of you

    And some say love is holding on
    And some say letting go
    And some say love is everything
    And some say they don't know

    Perhaps love is like the ocean
    Full of conflict, full of Pain
    Like a fire when it's cold outside
    Or thunder when it rains
    If I should live forever
    And all my dreams come true
    My memories of love will be of you

     


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