I dont see judgement here.

Just analysis of facts.

It is important not to be apologetic or to make excuses for the enemies of humanity.

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing"

Please just remeber You are trying to present this to others so what I said is relevant Holmes...

The evidence is there. It is as clear as the light of day.
If people choose to take heed or turn a blind eye it will be up to them in the final analysis.

I don't see anything wrong with the presentation as it is consistent with the evidence.
It is a controversial subject and one that needs to be heard.

I don't see anything wrong with the presentation as it is consistent with the evidence.

For the Third time - Jeepers Crippety - I don't either Floyd but take off the Blinders and say Yeah for Pete's sake when You know something to just be a common sense statement...

Its not the bloody Whistleblowers You're potentially insulting - Its the Poster's / Members Who comment on Your Thread(s)...

Teach Them by all means but at least be Polite about It. Seriously - Do You think that a Person Who disagrees with You is to be placed into the Perspective of ;

"the enemies of humanity."

Inferring that if someone disagrees with You then that They're an Enemy of Humanity ? Seriously ? I mean even when They might just not be as Aware as You ? You're gonna call 'em Enemies of Humanity ? Really ?

You seriously can't see the thrust of what I'm saying can You ?



Man, I'm speechless...

Maybe Its become time for Video Answers as the written Word just doesn't seem to be cutting It anymore...

Honestly, humanity is an ongoing experiment in order to accomplish a result in which 'Free Will' doesn't lead to war and destruction. Untill this day & year the experiment is a complete and utter failure.

The good news is that pretty soon humanity as we know it will be wiped off of the surface of this planet and the whole circus will start from scratch.

Those who are lucky - rich enough to have a hide out below the surface will soon realize that there's nothing left to live for.

Making babies in order to prolong the survival of the species will not be encouraged.

And you will NOT be saved by SaLuSa & her friends, nor by me and MY friends.

The lucky ones die in there sleep and live on in a 'dream-dimension' which can be very nice or very unpleasant, depending on your 'dream'.

And that's what I'm gonna do right now - sleep & dream - because I need to be reasonably fit in order to survive the 'New Years craze'.

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My current theory is that we are an illegal-experiment in male and female human-physicality and responsible-freedom. As far as I can tell, the results are mixed, especially in light of the evidence that the experiment has been adversely and mercilessly manipulated from the shadows. See 'Rule by Secrecy' by Jim Marrs, 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley, and even 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White. Regarding this thread, consider reading 'Rise of the Fourth Reich' by Jim Marrs. I'm reading from it tonight, as sort of a sick bedtime story. Once again, I'm not necessarily opposed to esoteric philosophy and theology, or to advanced-technology. A lot of the Secret Government, Secret Space-Program, and Underground Bases stuff is REALLY cool -- but it seems to be HIGHLY rogue and out of control. I'm frankly trying to conceptually live within a non-corrupt and non-violent version of the present Solar System Secret Government. I'm sure they just love me for talking about this stuff the way I do, but I truly desire that things work out well for all concerned. I realize that's Dreamland, but that's the only way I can attempt to face the hidden realities without going completely insane. I'm presently just completely burned-out, up-tight, and miserable -- and I don't want to make things worse for myself. Wait a minute. How could things be any worse??

Merc man.

I for one do not see them as whistleblowers but mostly misinformants and disinformants as you know. I am allowed that opinion arnt I? I know im not the only one who thinks in that way. It is based on the fact that nearly everything they say fails to come to pass or is a deliberate lie. But that is being discussed elswhere and not here.

As to the subject of this thread...

They only thing I find insulting is the subject matter of this thread and the problems it throws up. Yes, I'm afraid I do see white supremacists and nazism as the 'enemies of humanity'. They are most objectionable (I was not referring to a poster btw but to the institutions and individuals history has shown to be caught up in this odious movement) I suppose most rational people would.

I have never said anywhere on any thread on this forum that UFOS or other beings from other planes or planets do not exist. Not once, nor I have I even suggested it. It may well be the case.

This thread has only to do with the linking of UFOism, mostly in the States but not exclusively,to neo theosophical off shoots and their links and inter-connectedness to antisemitism, white supremacy and fascism. The timescale runs about from the 1930s to the present day. It is very clear. It is not a pretty read.

It follows that any information coming from these groups is not in the interests of a harmonious humanity as it is both prejudicial and exclusive, let alone hateful and divisive.
Therefore this information is invalid and its origins highly dubious to say the least.

I am not one to go around walking on eggshells for the sake of fascism and white supremacists I have to say.

I expected this. This thread would have been banned straight away on Project Camelot or Project Avalon. I should be grateful I got this far.
Its a subject that people do not want to deal with. It is a subject that is not immediately apparent to those who initially come across the information being disseminated by these groups. It lurks under the surface.
We are 'Gathering in Awareness' I hope.

No need for the video Merc.

Just the facts mam, just the facts.

orthodoxymoron wrote: Regarding this thread, consider reading 'Rise of the Fourth Reich' by Jim Marrs. I'm reading from it tonight, as sort of a sick bedtime story. Once again, I'm not necessarily opposed to esoteric philosophy and theology,

Sick bedtime story lol.
Id hate to see what you read to your nieces and nephews at bedtime if you have them!


There is much that is useful in esoteric philosophy. Many new religions have a veneer of esotericism mostly plundered from movements that came before it. Often they repackage it, dumb it down then market it and voila, 'spirituality for sale'

Below is a link to a very erudite article regarding pseudo relligious cults between 1935 and 1945 in the United States. Two of the movements it centres on are two we have been dealing with here. Guy Ballards I AM Activity and William Dudley Pelley's facist quasi religious Silver Shirts from which Ballard recruited into his own group. It tells how mass mail marketing and radio advertising helped movements like theirs expand and what ultimately led to their downfall. I say downfall but if the truth be known both movements inspired similar movements after them and they still exist in one form or other today.

http://www.cesnur.org/testi/bryn/br_jenkins.htm
Author: Philip Jenkins, Penn State University

Floyd wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote: Regarding this thread, consider reading 'Rise of the Fourth Reich' by Jim Marrs. I'm reading from it tonight, as sort of a sick bedtime story. Once again, I'm not necessarily opposed to esoteric philosophy and theology,

Sick bedtime story lol.
Id hate to see what you read to your nieces and nephews at bedtime if you have them!

There is much that is useful in esoteric philosophy. Many new religions have a veneer of esotericism mostly plundered from movements that came before it. Often they repackage it, dumb it down then market it and voila, 'spirituality for sale'

How about Salvation4Sale? I continue to be fascinated and horrified by how the somewhat idealistic, refined, and disciplined Germany of the 1930's became the Hell of the 1940's, and then morphed into the Fourth Reich. How do we keep Grand Utopian Plans from becoming Hell on Earth?

Please do not Infer that which I've not. To be clear...

Floyd wrote:Yes, I'm afraid I do see white supremacists and nazism as the 'enemies of humanity'. They are most objectionable

I agree and never said that this was not a valid Opinion...

Floyd wrote:I have never said anywhere on any thread on this forum that UFOS or other beings from other planes or planets do not exist. Not once, nor I have I even suggested it.

I never suggested that You did or that You didn't. I just asked You to be polite to other Members as You discuss Info with Them the same as I would ask any other Member here.

Floyd wrote:We are 'Gathering in Awareness' I hope.

Of course We are but to make the comment in that way suggests that theres an attempt at the Opposite from Me. It infers that by My asking Posters to be Polite to other Members - This is somehow too much to ask - Or that by doing so - We AREN'T "Gathering in Awareness". Thats simply not the case and would be a misrepresentation to say the least.

Floyd wrote:No need for the video Merc.

Really ? The need to Post further clarifications of My meaning have Me thinking otherwise...



Carry on Floyd but I am truly perplexed by how often You do NOT seem to get My meaning and Its so much so that I'm almost starting to think Its on purpose...

That can't be though right ?

orthodoxymoron wrote:I continue to be fascinated and horrified by how the somewhat idealistic, refined, and disciplined Germany of the 1930's became the Hell of the 1940's, and then morphed into the Fourth Reich. How do we keep Grand Utopian Plans from becoming Hell on Earth?

Cosmic love maybe. Not of the wishy washy variety.
Or, perhaps it is out of our hands as the GREAT OVERLORD TRANCOSO has suggested. We have been very naughty boys and girls, idolising false prophets, worshipping money and destroying our planet. Perhaps some group are doing something about it and we will have very little say in the matter.

Mercuriel wrote:

That can't be though right ?

No it thats right is not right, and the Gathering in Awareness was not about you either. It is simply saying sometimes we have to face the ugly truth whether we like it or not. It is difficult to be aware living in the shadow of such ugliness and we have to shake it off like an old shoe.

I have not been impolite to other members and that is the only point on which we differ. I have seen a snide remark directed toward myself here and there though but thats fine.
Perhaps the only other other difference is I have no time for whistleblowers whereas you may or may not I dont know. Thats a matter of personal taste.

For me whistleblowers have done to the truth movement what Yoko Ono did to the Beatles.



Keep on rockin in the Free World

Keeping the focus on Pelley there are numerous publications he used to promote his rabid fascism.

His teachers were disincarnate entities that came from beyond the stars and he wrote down what they taught him in volumes of automatic writing. This included herding up Jews in America and putting them in walled cities.

Blacks were to be segregated or sent back to Africa

Many of his silver shirt devotees joined Guy and Edna Ballards I AM Activity from whos meetings coloured folk were not allowed to attend.

His publications, Liberation, Pelley's Silvershirt Weekly, The Galilean, valour and The New Liberator espoused a mixture of alienism, psychism, esoterica, and fascism.

His religion that he invented to surround his teachings was known as soul craft.

he college offered courses in Ethical History, Spiritual Eugenics, and Cosmic Mathematics.


But Pelley was concerned with more than religion. He called for a “Christian Commonwealth,” a new kind of government that blended elements of fascism, socialism, and theocracy. In the Christian Commonwealth there would be no paper money, no bankers, and no big cities. Jews were also excluded. Pelley, a rabid anti-Semite, believed that Jews should be isolated in walled-off cities.

Adolf Hitler’s rise to power had an electric effect on Pelley. On January 31, 1933, the day after Hitler took control in Germany, Pelley founded the Silver Legion of America, better known as the Silver Shirts. The Silver Shirts were deliberately modeled on the Nazi Brown Shirts. Its members wore a military-style uniform of corduroy trousers, a blue tie, and a silver shirt with a red “L” over the heart. Chapters of the Silver Shirts sprang up in twenty-two different states. Although Pelley claimed to have as many as 100,000 followers, the actual number was closer to 15,000.

In 1936 Pelley ran for president as the candidate of the Christian Party. His platform mimicked the program of the Nazi Party. It called for the registration and persecution of all American Jews. The Christian Party got on the ballot in only one state, Washington, where it received a mere 1,598 votes.

http://www.northcarolinahistory.org/encyclopedia/417/entry


NB Spiritual eugenics is what is offered in the Talmud of Jmannuel.

350 reads already. Your message is getting out there Floyd. Good for you. Maybe others don't comment for the same reason I haven't.....we are interested in and agree with all you are posting.