The member Core was highlighting some of the things that Atticus1 are doing like radio stations and what have you then asked what are what are you and your keyboard doing? A rather trite and presumptuous remark if ever there was one. All I can say is that I do plenty and I don't need to belong to an exclusive group to do it. Im sure there are millions of people around the world doing plenty who also feel the need to take part in a closed group is not at all necessary. I don't regard having another radio station as particularly useful or pioneering as there are zillions of alternative ones already but this one is going to be special right? Perhaps your resources would be better used elsewhere.

When talking about service work or game changing groups and ideas then it is my opinion that operating from behind closed doors is just a bit daft really. A lack of transparency always promotes suspicion and limiting a group to a specific number is unhelpful.

The work is better served without pomp and circumstance, without a sense of exclusivity but rather the opposite, a sense of total inclusion and global participation that requires no membership to any group or society but rather being a pro active member in the human race. The only way to initiate mass change in human consciousness is through acts. Not through words but in deeds. There are many groups and societies that are hoping to be a catalyst for change but more often than they fail through internal feuding and other unhelpful and peripheral criteria. They come and then they go.

My position would be to that say exclusive groups often do harbour a sense elitism whether intentional or otherwise. There are permaculture and ecological groups that are open and very loosely organised that are leading the way in changing the way we look at living on the planet. The warmth, humility and openness they exude is palpable. That is the roll model to which we should be looking up to. They are the real heroes and the true educators. I admire them fully.

No exclusivity is not the way forward.

I do hope in expressing this opinion that will be fine.

I think it's a bit different when it comes to groups who are putting data together for the purpose of producing media. For example, if producing media for the public was my goal I would look for individuals who have experience to help me achieve my goal. People who know how to produce, edit and distribute media come to mind. It only stands to reason that some groups with specific goals and objectives work better together then just a hodge podge of folks who have a general idea on how to get things done.

For example, the time I spent with the Farmer's Cooperative was a mitigated disaster due to one member (alcoholic) who was also a bully and totally into everyone else having to go along with his agenda. He would show up at meetings shouting talking over the "elected" board, infuriating everyone to the point that the Board's president finally lost it and conked the bloke over the head with a lava rock. Mind you the Board President barely weighted 100 lbs and the other bloke was well over 200 lbs and huge. So, the one creating all the problems ended up with a concussion, sued the Coop, won the suit and almost destroyed everyone else's work and almost financially took down the Coop. I for one know from first hand experience that there is a difference between exclusivity and having a compatible group who know how to work together.

All it takes is one bi-polar nutter to wreck the work of others no matter what the intentions of the majority are - unless the intention is to get rid of the nuttier so that the group can accomplish some work.

The primary problem, as I view it Floyd, is that egos get in the way as some tend to assume "king of the mountain" attitude disregarding the will or desires of others.

One of the things that a 'good' professional learns is how to check the ego at the door so that the goal or mission of the task becomes the primary objective as compared to 'who gets to be the petty tyrant' for this go-around.

Basically you're talking apples and oranges. Most people are emotionally immature as maturity takes years and years for the vast majority to reach. So when bringing a group of people together for anything there is often a gap as to where they are in terms of maturation. For example young people who are quite brilliant get frustrated with other folks who are not up to their speed, which results in frustration and acting out. Patience often takes years to learn.

I can totally understand how some groups don't want anyone to know what they are up to especially if they are on the fast track to meeting a specific objective and don't need any distractors to slow them down. You may call it an exclusive group and someone else may call it a task oriented group. The point being that we all have a different point of view and all points of view can be correct from a broad-based perspective.

And Floyd - one could also illustrate how Mists could be viewed as exclusive just by how new members are treated when they decide to present their viewpoint for the first time. For instance, I've observed how some new members could perceive being under the attack just by taking sides with other members in a debate which did happen in one of your threads. That's not particularly welcoming, now is it?

And I have known of several members who left because of how they were treated here which wasn't very nice either. This is to say we all have our blind sides and we all have a lot of room to grow to where we develop tolerance for differences.

I mean specifically this. There are a number of truly brilliant, intellectual, warm-hearted members here. Yet with all the people joining why are they choosing not to post. I suspect folks are far more emotionally vulnerable then one suspects and so words do make a difference especially if one is afraid of being a target for whatever reason. There are days here I don't want to open a thread for that very reason. And I'm much further down the road then most and have learned how to be emotionally well-defended or distant. Given that this is how I feel - where I'm afraid I may be emotionally wound by something you may write about me, and have already written about others to the point they were in tears and very upset, I can understand the reluctance of some not wanting to jump in.

I've also been thinking a lot about your ideas of communities and also understand from my own painful experience of being a member of communities be it in the church, the farmer's cooperative and such that I don't much like them. I'm the type of person who is a multi-tasker and gets things done. I bring my best to what I do and like to accomplish what I can in short order. I also tend to have run-ins with those in charge who are emotionally immature and view themselves as 'king or queen' of the mountain on a regular bases and have subsequently concluded this is my negative karma. It started with a family member who is still pulling his crap and has continued acting out.

My idea of leadership is not to lead but is one of consensus and teamwork. My problem is others who are just not at that level of maturity and are emotionally insecure or threatened specifically when they have someone gotten themselves into some type of leadership roll. And possibly, similar to you, I have no patience with fools - so this is my growing edge. I too get very frustrated with others who have no vision or can even work up the effort to see others vision and work toward a common goal. And I particularly harbor resentment toward those who would drag others down to their level just because they can't or won't do better for themselves.

With all of my own flaws and imperfections and a lifetime of experience I still often feel that I'm just sitting at the first rung of the ladder in terms of human evolution. I view others much further along the path then myself and am often kicking myself in the backside that I'm not further along with my own inner growth - to where I can just accept everyone for where they are at in life and not get upset that they aren't further along either. To me it's like swimming under water wanting to break free into the open air - but breaking free is so illusive. So instead I put my attention to what I can do like sanding the window trim and prepping it for painting or washing off the bugs on my salad fixings growing outside, or collecting eggs. Sometimes the best that I can do is just the mundane 'chop wood and carry water.'

Yes, it's appreciated when work is done without pomp and circumstances along with a sense of exclusivity because after all - who likes to feel like the outsider. And I can also appreciate that these folks got together for a common purpose to achieve something rather then sit on their duffs.

everything is very ancient
- america, and, the rest of the world, has been dumbed down !!!

law was created to try to protect eXclusive things

law was created to keep all the different criminals honest LOL

THEeXchanger wrote:law was created to keep all the different criminals honest LOL

lol
yes as the honesty is constantly changing as well as their law we have a good picture of what is going on with self appointed authorities

Regarding exclusivity, I doubt there are any truly happy answers or solutions. If a church claims to be the 'one true church' with the 'truth' -- they are obviously (and often pompously) exclusive. People and organizations (especially regarding politics and religion) wish to be right. They like to win. If a church were to admit that they were 'just another church' and that they were merely 'searching for the truth' -- this opens a can of worms. The Episcopal Church seems to honestly be trying to take this second approach -- while the Roman Catholic Church seems to continue to take the first approach. I grew-up attending a church that was probably in the middle of these two extremes (the Seventh-day Adventist Church) -- although they probably leaned toward exclusivity. I eventually left, in part, because I wished to be ecumenical, and in part, because I simply lost my faith. I've been attempting to 'Put Humpty-Dumpty Back Together Again' on 'The United States of the Solar System' thread -- where I am confronted by the 'Exclusivity Demon'. I almost feel as if I have joined the 'Kumbaya Branch of Megalomaniacs Anonymous'. I feel as if I have wandered onto the battlefield of a Spiritual Galactic War -- and I have even delusionally felt as if I might be threatening the Security and Stability of the Universe with my Idealistic Tripe. So, once again, I am trying very, very hard to stop posting. I have come to better understand some of the problems, and I am quite frankly devastated by them. I truly do not see a happy ending or a light at the end of the tunnel. Not at this point. One might very well exist, but I'm just not seeing it right now. 'Disclosure' and 'Auditing the Fed' are another couple of cans of worms. One thing leads to another to another to another. It never ends. I doubt that there will ever be true resolution and closure. There will simply be more and more problems. I'm going to finish reading 'The Keys of This Blood', 'Rise of the Fourth Reich', 'SS Brotherhood of the Bell', 'A Foreign Policy of Freedom', and my 'Battlestar Galactica' novels -- not to try to be happy -- but just because I have a pathological need to know, and to think about things which are hard to think about -- even though it continues to ruin my life. We all have our crosses to bear. What Would Jesus Say (WWJS)?

THEeXchanger wrote:law was created to keep all the different criminals honest LOL

Hah! Good luck with that. Their intention is to do what they want irrespective of the law. The law isn't working for the simple reason that we are often governed by insane self-serving people whose very intention is to break the law from the onset.

What we need is enforcement of the law from the TOP DOWN. Then something would get done.

well we have to find the light at the end of the tunnel....we I mean humanity
we have to aczept our spirituality
we deserve to open pandorras box otherwise we will get stuck we have to discover more and more
reality and truth.
never lose faith and hope in yourself and other people
sure there is a galactic spiritual timelines war above our beloved earth.
the good side must win!!!!!

All the best Sabina

Maybe we should aim at being all inclusive exclusives as nature teaches us, each being integral part of the whole divine plan in a unique way.

Love Always
mudra

THEeXchanger wrote:law was created to keep all the different criminals honest LOL

I am sooo happy with my name. Bob Dylan said in a song, "to live outside the Law you must be honest" and yes I totally agree.

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Finding a meaning online about the word Exclusive brings the sense of negativity in a way.
meaning : "Exclusive typically means not with other things or not including other things."

So wanting to be exclusive always carry energy vibe of excluding something or someone from the thing you or the group does.

Is that good?

Depends from the motive of the person or a group.

Since I believe this thread is a spin of from talk about Brook`s 18 thing I can say all depends of the motives of the group Brook`s in.

I deleted the post due to it being a private message and we don't have permission of those involved. Besides what you just wrote is more then adequate to describe what was in it.

JT seeing as though it was addressed to Me you have my permission to post It if you you so desire or better yet maybe i should Because it wasn`t a Pm it was a threat made under the Guise of a Pm 2 different things I`d say. In it he asks me to not involve or make it aware to other members of His Forum so Am i obligated to honor his request after the threat was made no and he can`t do a damn thing about it

Well - As long as all Involved Parties are now OK with It Publicly - Go for It but just observe Forum Rules of Etiquette in doing so please...