Sanicle wrote: And why oh why do channelers keep making the mistake of accepting whatever comes through as 'truth'.

Because some of them are easily manipulated by phantom entities. Some of them use this to manipulate others in turn. Hence Cults lies and misinformation, not to mention empty bank accounts, psychological damage and even death.
Many of the perpetrators are in the full of crap of files and rightly so.

There is no doubt that in some cases, the entities (often with ridiculous names) do not actually exist and the messages and the beings that give them are invented to front some elite group or cult with an agenda.

I think there may be another side to it at a personal level too though Floyd. When I went through this and realized I was being deceived, I saw it as a test for ego and to teach discernment as regards those on 'higher levels', but also an attempt to shut me down completely to opening up and listening within by those at lower levels. Maybe even inflicting the psychological damage you speak of. I guess when it's made public, the same 'tests' could be applying to those who are taken in.

Interesting side note: When I was taking down what the 'voices within' were dictating to me years ago, one of them said his name was Ansvar and that he was the voice of my Higher Self. Not too long ago I had words with a red Reptilian while meditating and, when I asked him his name, he told me it was ....... Ansvar! LOL. And yes, he insisted he'd been the author of all of that 'Love and Light' poetry that I'd spend hours writing down and puzzling over. Insidious indeed. Of course he may have been lying as well. I'll never know. Past history anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if we all go through some such testing in different ways when on the Path.

Channellings in some instances is ego run amuck and wishful thinking along with self-delusion. There are also entities who use people to channel and some of the data may be correct and some of it not, Having had a go at this back in my 20's I concluded the source of data could not be trusted, so I just stopped.

I do wonder about these folks as they seem to have a desire to escape the conditions of earth. I for one wouldn't mind a visit with the Andromedans but somehow I don't think I'm on their guest list.

Carol wrote:Channellings in some instances is ego run amuck and wishful thinking along with self-delusion. There are also entities who use people to channel and some of the data may be correct and some of it not, Having had a go at this back in my 20's I concluded the source of data could not be trusted, so I just stopped.

I do wonder about these folks as they seem to have a desire to escape the conditions of earth. I for one wouldn't mind a visit with the Andromedans but somehow I don't think I'm on their guest list.

Ain't it the truth Carol

Did you say Andromedan's ... i will put a good word in with Jedar (James friend) ... next time we commune


He's from that system

Sanicle wrote:I think there may be another side to it at a personal level too though Floyd. When I went through this and realized I was being deceived, I saw it as a test for ego

Where you ever minded to start a group or a religious movement?
I think many of those who do begin money making ventures to disseminate the messages of aliens or disembodied entities generally all fail that ego test you speak about.

Then there are those who simply claim to receiving messages from beings like the infamous Hatonn or make claims to be working for St. Germain whether channeled or physical. All are highly dubious.

There are definitely three different classes of deceit, one from the astral, two, to set out to manipulate and defraud for monetary gain and three to fabricate the existence of super personages that serve as a front for some government or other political agenda, like for example a neo nazi agenda, using various techniques.

All I can say is remember Blossom Goodchild.

Carol wrote:

When words would just pale the moment ~

Sanicle wrote:
Interesting side note: When I was taking down what the 'voices within' were dictating to me years ago, one of them said his name was Ansvar and that he was the voice of my Higher Self.

The truth of the matter is we don't " have " a higher self "somewhere up there but that we " are " that higher self , the soul , all along even if in the sleeping state we may not be aware of it .
We are " Source " eternal . Everything else that we hear as voices are just mental noise we carry with us , entities as Floyd calls them , that we delegate our power to within a game.
There is a lot of confusion about who we really are . It takes going through and realizing all that we are not but that we have identified with to finally wake up to the simplicity of who we are ever present in the Now.

Love from me
mudra

good advise Mudra :)

mudra wrote:

Sanicle wrote:
Interesting side note: When I was taking down what the 'voices within' were dictating to me years ago, one of them said his name was Ansvar and that he was the voice of my Higher Self.

The truth of the matter is we don't " have " a higher self "somewhere up there but that we " are " that higher self , the soul , all along even if in the sleeping state we may not be aware of it .
We are " Source " eternal . Everything else that we hear as voices are just mental noise we carry with us , entities as Floyd calls them , that we delegate our power to within a game.
There is a lot of confusion about who we really are . It takes going through and realizing all that we are not but that we have identified with to finally wake up to the simplicity of who we are ever present in the Now.

Love from me
mudra

Second that
For the most part (we) are all that is.

maybe Viking needs a trip to The Ranch

What about humility? What about believing we are one tiny part of God's Creation, that 'we' are the aspect of something greater experiencing 3D and that there are many beings at many levels 'above' us? What about the belief that we can communicate with the rest of God's Creation with telepathy? What if some of the 'noises in our head' are other beings we can communicate with? What about us all being created equal but that there are various stages of forgetfulness and delusion we all experience while in manifestation? I have respect and concern for each one of them and am prepared to give them a voice if they wish to communicate with me to learn from them, and hopefully grow into understanding and union, whether they be animal, human, or anything else. But I will stop listening if they lie and deceive and I apply that to those in 3D with me as well.

I may be 'delusional' but I believe we have a higher aspect in higher dimensions....our 'Higher Self' that we are merely an 'aspect' of in this reality....and that He is equal to the Christ. And I don't deign to see ignorant little me as of His calibre by a long shot. Only potentially.

Sanicle wrote:What about humility? What about believing we are one tiny part of God's Creation, that 'we' are the aspect of something greater experiencing 3D and that there are many beings at many levels 'above' us? What about the belief that we can communicate with the rest of God's Creation with telepathy? What if some of the 'noises in our head' are other beings we can communicate with? What about us all being created equal but that there are various stages of forgetfulness and delusion we all experience while in manifestation? I have respect and concern for each one of them and am prepared to give them a voice if they wish to communicate with me to learn from them, and hopefully grow into understanding and union, whether they be animal, human, or anything else. But I will stop listening if they lie and deceive and I apply that to those in 3D with me as well.

I may be 'delusional' but I believe we have a higher aspect in higher dimensions....our 'Higher Self' that we are merely an 'aspect' of in this reality....and that He is equal to the Christ. And I don't deign to see ignorant little me as of His calibre by a long shot. Only potentially.

Do you remember Jane Robert's book "Seth Speak -consciosness precedes form ("You - you as a multidimensional personality - create your own reality" ?

One of the concepts that stuck with me is that as a multi-dimensional being there are aspects of our consciousness that exists in other dimensions simultaneously. Basically one thinks of a house with many rooms. The room one is in (consciously aware of in present time) is the dominant form of awareness. When the ego is not present (either as a result of sleep or meditation), consciousness moves about to other rooms (dimensions) in the house.

For example, a few weeks back I woke out of a deep sleep but still was in a state of awareness where I had access to all my dream memories - yet as soon as ego stepped out of the shadow those memories were forgotten. Similar with meditation where the monkey's chatter is silenced one has the opportunity to consciously move about in other dimensions beyond what exists in this 3-D reality. Sans ego, one is free to experience awareness of other realms. So yes, Sanicle - I agree with your conclusions. The difference being what our awareness is labeled as. It really took years to grok this reality - yet it's real. I think this is why I'm so drawn to quantum physics because it explains the "how" where something like this is possible.

As a LORD of The Galactic Federation of Lies I'm entitled to be driven around in a - low profile - limo...

You like?

Carol wrote:

Sanicle wrote:What about humility? What about believing we are one tiny part of God's Creation, that 'we' are the aspect of something greater experiencing 3D and that there are many beings at many levels 'above' us? What about the belief that we can communicate with the rest of God's Creation with telepathy? What if some of the 'noises in our head' are other beings we can communicate with? What about us all being created equal but that there are various stages of forgetfulness and delusion we all experience while in manifestation? I have respect and concern for each one of them and am prepared to give them a voice if they wish to communicate with me to learn from them, and hopefully grow into understanding and union, whether they be animal, human, or anything else. But I will stop listening if they lie and deceive and I apply that to those in 3D with me as well.

I may be 'delusional' but I believe we have a higher aspect in higher dimensions....our 'Higher Self' that we are merely an 'aspect' of in this reality....and that He is equal to the Christ. And I don't deign to see ignorant little me as of His calibre by a long shot. Only potentially.

Do you remember Jane Robert's book "Seth Speak -consciosness precedes form ("You - you as a multidimensional personality - create your own reality" ?

One of the concepts that stuck with me is that as a multi-dimensional being there are aspects of our consciousness that exists in other dimensions simultaneously. Basically one thinks of a house with many rooms. The room one is in (consciously aware of in present time) is the dominant form of awareness. When the ego is not present (either as a result of sleep or meditation), consciousness moves about to other rooms (dimensions) in the house.

For example, a few weeks back I woke out of a deep sleep but still was in a state of awareness where I had access to all my dream memories - yet as soon as ego stepped out of the shadow those memories were forgotten. Similar with meditation where the monkey's chatter is silenced one has the opportunity to consciously move about in other dimensions beyond what exists in this 3-D reality. Sans ego, one is free to experience awareness of other realms. So yes, Sanicle - I agree with your conclusions. The difference being what our awareness is labeled as. It really took years to grok this reality - yet it's real. I think this is why I'm so drawn to quantum physics because it explains the "how" where something like this is possible.

As multidimonsional beings, we are realy simultaniously present in every aspect of the creation and there are no dominant selves of us anywhere. So as you properly explained it with the house Carol, we are merely 'trapped' in many rooms simultaniously (by choosing this and by free will which allways occur in other aspects of our existance), but the only limitation is that we're unable to consciously move around from room to room, due to a sort of membrane as kind of doors (gates) surrounding each and every room (or other spheres of existence).

The physical presence in this 3D state we're trapped in is just not radiating with the proper frequency in order to pass thru this membrane, with an exception where we have our state of mind alrtered, say thru meditation, OBE, atral travel, drugs as DMT etc.

Out there (in the other rooms) is no one other then US again and that 'other' is not more dominant in any way than 'we' are now. The one who managed to "get there" by any means (stated above) would know this by experiencing nothing less but themselves again.

Also, I would not speak of any higher or lower beings, be it us or 'someone else' (there's actualy no 'someone else' outh there). These states of being are not higher or lower, but one need to radiate properly and match the given vibration field in order to experience that particular field.

The ultimate 'goal' is merging once again with the 'highest' possible vibration which is the creation itself.

But hey, I do not want to distract this thread, but only give my opinion why any other "higher self" telling us "they are they" and "not us" could not be trusted. The creation itself has not put any limitations upon itself, so we will be definitelly seing some 'other beings' out there whose paths to the ultimate goal might be "slightly" different that the one we perceive to be the right one.

I am accepting 'their' chosen paths entirely as I know that I, here and now, am just another part of them experiencing another and different paths.

So you see, a good portion of 'human' discernment is allways needed in order to get behind these divisions, as remember...

...remember that these "other higher selves" could realy be US from the neighbour room trying to decive US in the present room. Not because "They" want to or have any pleasures by doing that, but it happens by choice, it is because YOU choose to participate in this grandious creation plan.

Much respect
Mall...