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    Threecaster

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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  Threecaster on Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:10 am

    MM: I now find these last posts much more reachable. Thank You. Some folks latch hold of some kind of Grandiose communication and they feel that they have to use it exclusively.

    Relaxing: It seems you received my suggestion in the spirit it was intended, more in your manner of posting, than your actual self. Big Grin 2 All my floors need sweeping and mopping, on the agenda for today.....otherwise the cat hair starts using phrases like "magna carta" and "eminent domain"

    There is something about our natures that is attracted to consistency. There are legitimate islands of consistency in our ever-changing sea of humanity. If you have actually arrived onto one then kudos to you sir! However, perhaps caution is prudent in clinging tenaciously to any structures during this current period. May I suggest being able to let go, whenever destiny suggests it may be a Good Idea.

    Perhaps I have found a nice submarine, ala "inspector gadget" where it's shape and function adapt to most storms and pirate encounters. I find that it surfaces in interesting places, where I can then make observations and compare those to the consistencies I have already catalogued. (This may be appropriate for me, as I am Pisces; two fish swimming in opposite directions.)

    "You are only lost if you want to be somewhere else..."

    And I definitely encourage you to be yourself. Imitation and emulation have their places and are fun. IMHO true satisfaction comes from your own center and making your own discoveries, which can then be used in turn let others then imitate and emulate and try it on for size and Ease Of Use.

    Western deconstructionism is rather limited. It makes me somewhat despondent to watch the local doctors and judges slice our natures into neat little sterilised finger sandwiches....however, "treating the whole" is starting to rise in a lot of persons' consciousness. So there is hope. The recent conformation of the Higgs Boson (and more excitingly, the unexpected data arriving with those results) suggests there is a "new physics" out there. With any luck we may be about to step away from our Newtonian roots.



    Unexpected Data

    There is the hurtling along in our technological development (made without awareness of the gestalt) that risks dooming us all. If our consciousness keeps up with our technology, the two may meet at a point, at which we may can spring into a galactic civilisation; otherwise a rift may develop between those who follow material and those who follow spirit and we may have to start over.

    I would think the Mod's here will treat you just fine, so long as you present your POV in a manner that allows others to pick it up as it moves past, ("mmmm...I'll have the buffet") as opposed to a more direct approach which some may find intrusive or rude. I am unaware of any history in regards to past forums or exchanges. I am one to let water flow under the bridge, rather than blocking it up and storing destructive pressures.

    Most folks have to use relativism, and they may be unable to conceive any other way of viewing the world around them. There must exist a sympathy and compassion for all beings (even tho some may perceive some actions as "misguided") who are stuck in their own loop (as well as those who can only move in straight lines). Others who have broader circles of perceptions can lead by example, but even then the old adage still stands:

    "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think."

    Those persons who have found a happiness or satisfaction, may fall into the trap of trying to push this onto others. Just because we all have elements in common, does not mean what harmonises well with one person's emergence, will sing well with another's. (this is a bad habit of mine, currently under modification...)

    I can sense you have a strong sense of consistency, or you have an effective discriminating function that serves you well, and it appears to push your buttons when others are acting in a manner that appears foolish or destructive. "If we just quit caring, this would all be a lot easier..." Annoyed (I think Floyd has the same problem, which may be why he likes you so much!)

    Finding a "halfway" point between yourself and others when elucidating will make great leaps towards educating others about what you have found.

    Some animals, when hungry do not mind having a bucket of kippers dumped on their heads. Other prefer a nice table setting, with perhaps napkins and some nice dinner music.



    Depends on the mood I'm in, as to my preference at the time... Insanely Happy

    Please keep in mind the age of Kali Yuga has nearly blinded us all. Hopefully this has now passed and we are beginning to re-connect to our Light Origins.

    I am quite curious to learn about your POV, and what you view as consistent, especially any structures you have found that lie embedded in our reality. For example any extra-dimensional projections which, when illuminated, form 3-dimentional structures we currently perceive as objects, places or persona...
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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  magamud on Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:54 am

    Well isn't that a hoot. My post gets more organized and yours become more obscure Three..

    I am glad for you that you have your esoteric submarine and what do you not have?

    The place where I am, is where everyone is from and where everyone will return.
    The Dualist have it right with acknowledging Ego as an enemy that creates illusion.

    We are in Eden, but we do not see this and create our own Kingdoms to dwell in.
    We are at the end of a harvest, so those Kingdoms are well built and well fortified.

    It is true what the Gospel saids:
    Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

    Or:

    28. Jesus said, "I took my stand in the midst of the world, and in flesh I appeared to them. I found them all drunk, and I did not find any of them thirsty. My soul ached for the children of humanity, because they are blind in their hearts and do not see, for they came into the world empty, and they also seek to depart from the world empty.

    But meanwhile they are drunk. When they shake off their wine, then they will change their ways."

    Or:
    Then the Kingdom of Heaven will be like ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. Those who were foolish, when they took their lamps, took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. Now while the bridegroom delayed, they all slumbered and slept. But at midnight there was a cry, "Behold! The bridegroom is coming! Come out to meet him!" Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. The foolish said to the wise, "Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out." But the wise answered, saying, "What if there isn't enough for us and you? You go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves." While they went away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins also came, saying, "Lord, Lord, open to us." But he answered, "Most certainly I tell you, I don't know you." Watch therefore, for you don't know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
    — Matthew 25:1-13, World English Bible

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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  Crazee on Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:40 am

    I find this really interesting. I especially like the orbital motion the particles had at the end.

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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  devakas on Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:05 pm

    magamud wrote:.......

    The place where I am, is where everyone is from and where everyone will return.
    .............

    Singalist magamud, it is strange place you are describing you are from,

    you are creating your own to dwell in

    and you will return to.

    and you are at the end of a harvest. Try not to be in fear. Just try.

    And God is not the cloud of energy with many names. You sound like nirvana or voidist or fanatic buddhist mayavadi. hmmm scratch what happened?





    We are in Eden, but we do not see this and create our own Kingdoms to dwell in.
    We are at the end of a harvest, so those Kingdoms are well built and well fortified.

    It is true what the Gospel saids:
    Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.
    Yes, I like this quote, life is not in material world, we are from spiritual world soul incarnated in to flesh, you are right, we need to get rid of sins, delete ego created blogs of confused questions-answers, stop talking what we do not understand, get rid of samskaras (sins (Gospel)).

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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  mudra on Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:20 pm

    Crazee wrote:I find this really interesting. I especially like the orbital motion the particles had at the end.


    Nice Crazee. That lovely orbital motion they have in the end takes place when both particles happen to be able
    to have free space around them and not being subject to the limiting boundery of the container as a pair.

    It is so fascinating to watch as in a way it is an allegory as to what takes place when two free beings meet.
    At least this is how it is for me.

    Thanks for sharing

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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  magamud on Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:51 pm

    Try not to be in fear.
    Im sure you wont believe me at first Dev, but I am not.

    Did you see I gave compliments with your religion on ego delusion. And I congratulate you on referencing my pov somewhat.

    I have to say I think its somewhere in the middle of your religion and the Gospel Dev.

    Who said God was a cloud?
    He might come out of one though.

    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

    1 Thessalonians 4:17

    Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.
    Revelation 1:7
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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  Crazee on Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:29 pm

    mudra wrote:
    Nice Crazee. That lovely orbital motion they have in the end takes place when both particles happen to be able
    to have free space around them and not being subject to the limiting boundery of the container as a pair.

    It is so fascinating to watch as in a way it is an allegory as to what takes place when two free beings meet.
    At least this is how it is for me.

    Thanks for sharing

    Love from me
    mudra

    Nice! I like your ideas. Looks like those two particles are friends now Toast

    magamud wrote:

    Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.

    Revelation 1:7

    magamud, why do you choose to use the bible as an ultimate source for knowledge? I agree that it is a book that one would do well to study and explore, but to place complete faith in one set of ideas can make adaptation difficult among our ever-changing reality.
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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  magamud on Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:02 pm

    God is the ultimate source of knowledge. I use tools in the tool boxes to get my pov across.
    Its enjoyable when my pov can be accentuated by the bible. And I am very open minded sir.

    A problem of confusion for people is projecting Christian fundamentalism upon me. While I use the architecture of this religion, it is definitely not the same.

    Jesus said, "I will give you what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, what no hand has touched, what has not arisen in the human heart."

    And this is not grandiose friends, I am just preparing the straight path for the Son of God to come...

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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  Threecaster on Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:17 pm

    The bible has gotten kind of a bad rap lately. I'll be the first to walk around with my sign that says "Down with King James", but I don't carry it around for very long...

    The biggest problem I have with it is how all the gnostic info has been edited out (at least explicitily; the editors just removed the context to shift it from saying "anyone can do this" to "only the elite can do this"....

    But there is a lot of good data still in there....
    Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.
    This sounds like "Only whomever doth not seek the Philosopher's Stone shall be the one who finds it."
    Well isn't that a hoot. My post gets more organized and yours become more obscure Three..
    I've been considering telling you, you are preaching to the choir. at least with most of your POV. You have to realize that I am the Duality and the Trinity, plus one.

    Then added back once again into my whole self (of three) makes nine, which harmonizes with our material existence.

    "All this and more can be yours for Nine easy payments of $9.99, plus shipping and handling."

    I love primes....



    And He Loves You!

    I am glad for you that you have your esoteric submarine and what do you not have?

    Ummmm....I don't have a phone booth with a lion in it, in which I am trying to tape sandpaper to his butt....and I'm glad!

    Besides, it's damn near impossible to find a phone booth nowadays... Suspect

    I will say it's nice to see you using a smoother style. Big Grin 2

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    Crazee: Very nice on the droplets. I find vibration an excellent metaphor. Have you seen the cornstarch in a speaker vids? Dey way cool!

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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  devakas on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:34 am

    magamud wrote:
    Try not to be in fear.
    Im sure you wont believe me at first Dev, but I am not. good news?

    Did you see I gave compliments with your religion on ego delusion. NO, but if you really understood false Ego, the compliments belong to you megamud. I will post video for you.
    And I congratulate you on referencing my pov somewhat. Congratulate yourself, but i dont realy see the benefits from povs used as tools from the source as toolbox. Wink

    I have to say I think its somewhere in the middle of your religion and the Gospel Dev. human nature to mix and eat I would think. And then to project what mind comes up with new 'individual first' theory. The Me in the center and all around me. This aproach is killing humanity under acid rains.

    Who said God was a cloud? Do you know God energies?

    He might come out of one though. He is in your heart too magamud. Like two birds on the same branch. One is busy to create nonsense blogs with trumpets, and divine soul bird is watching and waiting for your attention.

    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

    1 Thessalonians 4:17

    Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.
    Revelation 1:7

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    Re: Ultimate reality

    Post  mudra on Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:32 am

    From Immaculate Conception to Genetic Deception
    by Julian Rose


    Julian Rose writes about overcoming the alientation and fragmentation in a society where people have forgotten their innate divine nature.

    The Christ consciousness with which humanity is endowed, and which took physical form in Jesus Christ some 2,000 years ago, is a revolutionary gift. It has the power to transform, to heal and to penetrate the darkness with light. However, it is a gift which still remains largely sealed away from human consciousness, covered over by the cult of consumption and religious orthodoxy

    What this great Shamanic prophet of 2,000 years past was able to teach and to demonstrate was that such a state of (higher) consciousness ‘exists’ and has always existed; and that it is freely available to us all, being an incontrovertible part of our very DNA and of every cell and corpuscle of our bodies.

    I have chosen to use the expression ‘Christ Consciousness’ not because it is any more significant than other high prophetic teachings, but because a significant portion of Western society’s spiritual inheritance is founded on the words and works of the prophet Jesus Christ. Such teaching has the role of passing-on in the earthly plain of existence that which originates in the great cosmic plain of existence, of which we and our planet are an integral part. However it has seldom succeeded in this role, largely due to the fact that ‘religious orthodoxy’ has contrived to take control of the spiritual realm, claiming unto itself ‘the moral high ground’ and giving itself the authority to censor the revolutionary quality of the original message.

    Every culture has its shamans, gurus, saints and spiritual masters. Shiva, Buddha, Krishna, Mohamed and Abraham, to name just a few. All their teachings have a common theme: ‘mankind is created in the image of God’ and the realisation and manifestation of this Godly state is the true goal and purpose of humanity’s existence here on earth. They also all state that love and compassion are central attributes of the human condition.

    That is why I started by saying that we are endowed with a revolutionary gift.

    But when this Godly gift is disassociated from its human expression and consigned instead to being the sole attribute of our Creator – then the teachings of Jesus Christ and other great prophets, become fundamentally subverted. The revolutionary ‘divine soul seed’ which we are called upon to nurture into its fullness of being is instead carefully sanitized and locked away from the light.

    Having so disposed of our birthright, we seem to feel liberated, as though we have rid ourselves of some odious burden. But all we have succeeded in doing is to wrap ourselves in a state of profound self deception and call it ‘freedom’. In denying the divine inheritance - which is encoded in our genes - we effectively shut off the lines of communication with our Creator and set off down the road of genetic deception. Genetic deception, quite literally meaning: ‘an attempt to deceive our genes’.

    Within the Divine Creation Plan homo sapiens has been endowed with the ability to decide his own destiny: we have ‘free will’. Thus we humans have evolved into the unique position of being able to reflect on our state of being as well as use our intellectual capacity to reason, compare and take considered action. The fact that we are born in the image of our Creator and yet are endowed with this precious gift of ‘free will’ (having control over our destinies) gives us a very special responsibility. A responsibility to nurture our Godly gift into a proper flowering and to direct the fruits of this flowering into the amelioration of our society and natural environment, so that they come to reflect our state of being. But it is precisely here that we face the greatest challenge and greatest danger.

    What happens, if, in utilising this gift of free will, we decide that we prefer not to recognise and honour its source?


    What happens if we find that the intellectual power of the mind, stripped of its birthplace in the soul, appears to be an adequate tool for dealing with our worldly concerns?


    What happens if we put love and compassion on the back burner, rationalising that they hamper our competitive instincts, material drives and personal ambitions?

    The answer can be found by looking around us and into our history. A wilful mind, divorced from its marriage with the compassionate soul, runs amok, bequeathing itself special powers and high degrees of self importance. It becomes interested in splitting the atoms of its origin and unrecallably altering the genetic pool of nature of which it is part.

    It starts to proclaim its superiority over all other life forms as well as over fellow humans.
    It goes to war and murders with cool impunity. It creates abstract ideas, denatured versions of ‘progress’ and tunnel vision theories and practices. In short, it steers its deluded self into a blind alley from which the only escape is collapse and dissolution.

    This seems to be where a significant portion of humanity finds itself today; in an advanced state of alienation and fragmentation. Divided into a thousand parts and no longer able to see the whole or remember its true identity – who we are.

    And yet for many, when confronted by the arrival of a newborn baby on our planet, this loss of memory is suddenly reversed. The immediate reaction is to coo at its shining innocence, its wide staring eyes and curious smile. This baby seems to stir our memory - and what we are reminded of is that we are looking at ourselves; witnessing ourselves as an integrated whole - without the fragmentation. We can say of this little being that he or she is indeed an ‘immaculate conception’; born in the image of the Creator. At this unguarded moment we are reminded that our own wholeness and innocence is buried somewhere within and is crying to come out. The little spark of genius that stares us in the face – exudes that same spark which we pushed to one side - because it failed to match the pact we made with the status quo: the pact of mediocrity, conformity and godlessness.

    All that is wrong with life today starts here.

    In separating ourselves from ourselves we establish a dangerous, abstract and virtual reality world. A world which quickly becomes recognised as ‘the norm’ to be upheld as the politically correct mode of behaviour for ‘civilised society’. In clinical terms, it amounts to a state of paranoid schizophrenia and represents the underlying malaise of modern man and post industrial society in general. In this state of alienation, ‘scientists’ tinker with the building blocks of life and biochemists attempt to re-engineer the plant and animal kingdom, ultimately foisting their deluded experiments on mankind as a whole thereby turning our world into a vast and chaotic laboratory. Politicians look on and applaud. This is, after all ‘scientific advancement’ and therefore not only perfectly acceptable – but desirable. And even when it is considered possible that the motives are more aligned with the lust for profit, power and control, the re-engineering of the sacred seed is still given the go-ahead.

    Most important political and corporate decisions are made by those suffering from this psychologically impaired and ‘alienated’ condition. In fact wherever a top-down, corporate led hierarchy holds the reins of power. However, the fact that such hierarchies are allowed to establish such a controlling influence is strong proof of our own complicity and passivity. It is we who give these schizoid individuals such powers, therefore it is we who must be held responsible for the outcome. It is here where one finds the most conspicuous levels of denial; so many amongst us seem determined to avoid recognising their role in delivering the state of play we find around us.

    Those wishing to represent their fellow human beings in high office should of course, in a good working democracy, exhibit a fair degree of wisdom and balance. They should act diligently and responsibly in carrying out actions that affect all citizens within their arena. They should know how to balance head and heart, so as not to be arrogant or domineering in their actions. They should be strong in rejecting that which is harmful to people and the environment – and strong in pursuing and promoting that which encourages goodness and diversity. Above all, they should be seen to ‘practice what they preach.’ But as we see, the realities of 21st century society are very different.

    Does this description fit any one you know in the world of politics, big business or even in academia?
    What has become of responsible leadership in our time?

    Why are so many of us willing to turn a blind eye on the abject failings of others and thereby accept the misrule of our Countries and States? And where is the voice of the church in all this?

    It appears that those who seek to fill positions in society which give them access to the levers of State can only get these positions by agreeing to sell their souls to a largely unseen and shadowy ruling cabal. It is this cabal which pulls the strings of the puppet politicians and senators whom we elect, and it is this cabal that sets the 'real' agenda: culminating in their dream of a top down, autocratic ‘new world order’.

    The conclusion one draws from all this, is that it is the denial of the divine in man which inevitably leads to the corruption and degradation of the human condition – and therefore of society as a whole.

    It is within this setting that nature’s seeds are themselves corrupted, as if to symbolise the alienated state of humanity. We see this all too clearly in deteriorating human health, closely aligned with a chemically corrupted and genetically modified food chain. Once vigorous human reproductive energy is becoming devoid of life and is unable to achieve normal patterns of procreation.

    When our true reality is denied ‘virtual reality’ replaces it. Virtual reality becomes the new normal, embracing a world of deception, distortion and alienation. The simple practical values of yesteryear are lost to a whole host of up to the minute cyber distractions; just as the good robust foods that once filled our plates are lost to laboratory inspired mixtures of chemical preservatives, colours and altered genes. In the brave new world of mass food production, even nanotech inventions are on the menu; while real foods have to be irradiated (USA) and rendered inert because they might contain living bacteria. Life itself is thus reduced to a sterile, denatured package, offered up for auction in the sanitized isles of hypermarket shopping malls.

    So what about us humans?

    There are those who foresee gene processing laboratories replacing the mother’s womb. Laboratory colour charts allowing parents to select the colour of the eyes and bioengineering deciding the shape of the mouth and nose; even the desired emotional range could be programmed into the design. Under such a regime ‘eugenics’ would be put right back onto the map of ‘human advancement’. Already male infertility is running high in the United States and growing in Europe. Is it a coincidence that the spread of genetically engineered foods almost exactly matches the rapid rise in human infertility?

    While the spark of a higher purpose has briefly illuminated various phases of human evolution, we appear to have failed to nurture this spark into the transformational fire which would bring forth the Godly in us – and keep it there.

    And yet, 2,000 years ago, an outstanding prophet helped us to understand that homo sapiens is created in the image of the Supreme Consciousness (God) and that we have the potential to realise and manifest this divinity which lies within every one of our 13 billion cells and which is etched into our very DNA. But we chose to downgrade our divinity and to compromise our greatness, preferring the safety of mediocrity to the risks of genius. What price will we have to pay for such cowardice? What price our Faustian pact with the masters of deception?

    A great price.

    Yet, because Real Life is a sentient, coherent whole and not the fragmented and insentient state that it appears to be, there is always the potential for a positive resolution, even to the worst crisis. Behind the propaganda fuelled veil of Maya lies an Omnipotent reality which is the source of our divinity and the fecund pool of our creativity. We have only to access this divinity and we will be guided along the path of deeper destiny and beyond the reach of the masters of darkness.
    But let ourselves be ruled by the false gods who masquerade as the great and the all knowing – and we will remain locked into a covert pact with the forces of darkness. We will remain slaves to the technocrat financiers, genetic engineers and corporate gangsters, and no sign will there be that we were born in the image of our Creator.

    However, should we find the courage to speak out and to challenge these false gods; to challenge those religious proclamations of the church which continue to repress the revolutionary message of the great prophets - then the new dawn will come rushing out to greet us, holding wide its arms in welcoming joy.

    Suddenly, as the light pours in, we can see so clearly the falsities that surround us. We can recognise where the truth is spoken and where the words are shrouded in deceit. We can ‘see through’ the gamesmanship of political figureheads, phony academics, and false messiahs. A new world of possibilities emerges in front of our eyes and a new sense of self empowerment rises in our souls. At that moment we can rejoice and set sail on the seas of a higher calling, in the knowledge that the angels are guiding our voyage and that Luciferian guile can no longer win our souls or control our minds.

    This time has surely come. A time foretold in testaments of old, through stories of searing light and apocalyptic darkness. Who will now deny that such apocalyptic times are with us? The virus of greed, deceit, ulterior motive and repression has reached epidemic proportions, manifesting as a pandemic on our planet. And no one can stand aside from some level of complicity in the shaping of these events.

    Yet 2,000 years ago Jesus proclaimed “The Truth shall set you free”

    Now the time has come to act on this proclamation and do away with our complicity with all that drags life down. There is but one overriding necessity at hand: to shake off the chains of illusion and cease to hide from the Truth. Now is the time to move forward and upward and to find the courage to confront and to remove those obstacles that are placed in our path. We each have the joyous task of laying the stepping stones that will reach beyond the Fall. We have this power – and we owe it to our Creator to act on it: for we are offspring of the divine sparks of immaculate conception and not the sterile clones of genetic deception.


    JR
    November 2011

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