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    Bible-Thumping!!

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:39 pm

    Please bear with me. This is just another Road Less Traveled. I'm not trying to be a Bible-Thumper -- but I just can't shake my Biblical Roots -- even though I have been madly thrashing about for quite some time as a Free-Thinking New-Age Anglican-Agnostic!!. This Biblical Concept involves the following (all in the King James Version of the Holy Bible):

    1. Song of Solomon.
    2. Job.
    3. Psalms.
    4. Proverbs.
    5. Isaiah.
    6. Matthew.
    7. Christ's Object Lessons by Ellen G. White.
    8. Romans.
    9. Hebrews.
    10. Ecclesiastes.

    I intend to remove the verse numberings and chapter headings. The idea is to make all of the above into a final-draft for one big book, which doesn't really look like a Bible (or even a book) -- and which is quite selective and unconventional. What I've done, is to pretend that all of the above were written at the time of King David, King Solomon, and the Queen of Sheba -- with the grand imagined assumption that the Queen of Sheba wrote these books around 3,000 years ago. This is a Royal-Model God and Goddess Hypothesis. I'm not a scholar -- and I'm not feeling well at all -- so I'm probably getting this very wrong -- but I think it's important for people to actively consider as many possibilities as possible. What is mind-boggling to me about this approach is that I have included Christ's Object Lessons by Ellen White as sort of an Unofficial and Non-Canonical Epistle!! This obviously wasn't written 3,000 years ago -- but what if it was written by the same soul?? I am trying to maintain a theme of Wisdom Literature Written by a Key Soul Who is Predominantly Feminine. I have very mixed feelings about the Bible and the Writings of Ellen White. Something is very wrong with both -- yet they just cannot be ignored. They must be grappled with. Anyway, imagine these ten books as being written by a Highly-Refined Black-Woman. What if the Queen of Sheba was Lilith??!! What if the Queen of Sheba was Annunaki?? I could say more -- but I won't. Not now anyway. I have no idea what I'm talking about -- and I'm not afraid to admit it. I don't get top-secret memos or briefings. I'm completely out of the loop. I think very, very few like me -- or even know about me. I think I'm screwed -- and I'm just trying to encourage you to think and research. I think the PTB (on and off world) are dead-set against me (of the few who even know I exist). I still feel as if I might've been a somebody back in the day -- and that I might've made a helluva lot of enemies. It further feels as if this is payback-time, when I'm getting crucified on a supernatural-level. I continue to think that deception and deliberate-confusion are rampant. The philosophical, theological, and political landscape is rather nasty, messy, and confused. "If you can't convince them -- confuse them!!"

    Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine. Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth , therefore do the virgins love thee.  Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee. I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept. Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth , where thou feedest , where thou makest thy flock to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?  If thou know not, O thou fairest among women, go thy way forth by the footsteps of the flock, and feed thy kids beside the shepherds ' tents. I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in Pharaoh's chariots.  Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.  We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver.  While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof.  A bundle of myrrh is my wellbeloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.  My beloved is unto me as a cluster of camphire in the vineyards of Engedi.  Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.  Behold, thou art fair, my beloved, yea, pleasant: also our bed is green.  The beams of our house are cedar, and our rafters  of fir.

    I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.  As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.  As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight , and his fruit was sweet to my taste.  He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love.  Stay me with flagons, comfort me with apples: for I am sick of love.  His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.  I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up , nor awake my love, till he please.  The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.  My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.  My beloved spake , and said unto me, Rise up , my love, my fair one, and come away.  For, lo, the winter is past , the rain is over and gone;  The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come , and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;  The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise , my love, my fair one, and come away.  O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.  Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.  My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies.  Until the day break , and the shadows flee away , turn , my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether.

    By night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loveth: I sought him, but I found him not.  I will rise now, and go about the city in the streets, and in the broad ways I will seek him whom my soul loveth: I sought him, but I found him not.  The watchmen that go about the city found me: to whom I said, Saw ye him whom my soul loveth?  It was but a little that I passed from them, but I found him whom my soul loveth: I held him, and would not let him go , until I had brought him into my mother's house, and into the chamber of her that conceived me.  I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up , nor awake my love, till he please.  Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant?  Behold his bed, which is Solomon's; threescore valiant men are about it, of the valiant of Israel.  They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night.  King Solomon made himself a chariot of the wood of Lebanon.  He made the pillars thereof of silver, the bottom thereof of gold, the covering of it of purple, the midst thereof being paved with love, for the daughters of Jerusalem.  Go forth , O ye daughters of Zion, and behold king Solomon with the crown wherewith his mother crowned him in the day of his espousals, and in the day of the gladness of his heart.

    Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.  Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep that are even shorn , which came up from the washing; whereof every one bear twins , and none is barren among them.  Thy lips are like a thread of scarlet, and thy speech is comely: thy temples are like a piece of a pomegranate within thy locks.  Thy neck is like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields of mighty men.  Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies.  Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, I will get me to the mountain of myrrh, and to the hill of frankincense.  Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.  Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions' dens, from the mountains of the leopards.  Thou hast ravished my heart , my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.  How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!  Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.  A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up , a fountain sealed.  Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,  Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:  A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.  Awake , O north wind; and come , thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out . Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.

    I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat , O friends; drink , yea, drink abundantly , O beloved.  I sleep, but my heart waketh : it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh , saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.  I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them?  My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him. I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.  I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone : my soul failed when he spake : I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer .  The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.  I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if ye find my beloved, that ye tell him, that I am sick of love.  What is thy beloved more than another beloved, O thou fairest among women? what is thy beloved more than another beloved, that thou dost so charge us?  My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.  His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.  His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set.  His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh.  His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.  His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.  His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

    Whither is thy beloved gone , O thou fairest among women? whither is thy beloved turned aside ? that we may seek him with thee.  My beloved is gone down into his garden, to the beds of spices, to feed in the gardens, and to gather lilies.  I am my beloved's, and my beloved is mine: he feedeth among the lilies.  Thou art beautiful, O my love, as Tirzah, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an army with banners.  Turn away thine eyes from me, for they have overcome me: thy hair is as a flock of goats that appear from Gilead.  Thy teeth are as a flock of sheep which go up from the washing, whereof every one beareth twins , and there is not one barren among them.  As a piece of a pomegranate are thy temples within thy locks.  There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.  My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.  Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?  I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded.  Or ever I was aware , my soul made me like the chariots of Amminadib.  Return , return , O Shulamite; return , return , that we may look upon thee. What will ye see in the Shulamite? As it were the company of two armies.

    How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.  Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.  Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.  Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.  Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.  How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!  This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.  I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;  And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.  I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.  Come , my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.  Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish , whether the tender grape appear , and the pomegranates bud forth : there will I give thee my loves.  The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

    O that thou wert as my brother, that sucked the breasts of my mother! when I should find thee without, I would kiss thee; yea, I should not be despised.  I would lead thee, and bring thee into my mother's house, who would instruct me: I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate.  His left hand should be under my head, and his right hand should embrace me.  I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, that ye stir not up , nor awake my love, until he please.  Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved? I raised thee up under the apple tree: there thy mother brought thee forth: there she brought thee forth that bare thee.  Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.  Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned.  We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for?  If she be a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she be a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar.  I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour.  Solomon had a vineyard at Baalhamon; he let out the vineyard unto keepers ; every one for the fruit thereof was to bring a thousand pieces of silver.  My vineyard, which is mine, is before me: thou, O Solomon, must have a thousand, and those that keep the fruit thereof two hundred.  Thou that dwellest in the gardens, the companions hearken to thy voice: cause me to hear it.  Make haste , my beloved, and be thou like to a roe or to a young hart upon the mountains of spices.




















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    There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.  His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.  And his sons went and feasted  in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.  And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about , that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said , It may be that my sons have sinned , and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.  Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.  And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said , From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.  And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered  my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?  Then Satan answered the LORD, and said , Doth Job fear God for nought?  Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.  But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse  thee to thy face.  And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.  And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:  And there came a messenger unto Job, and said , The oxen were plowing , and the asses feeding beside them:  And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away ; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.  While he was yet speaking , there came also another, and said , The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.  While he was yet speaking , there came also another, and said , The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away , yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.  While he was yet speaking , there came also another, and said , Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:  And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead ; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.  Then Job arose , and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped ,  And said , Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave , and the LORD hath taken away ; blessed be the name of the LORD.  In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.

    Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said , From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.  And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.  And Satan answered the LORD, and said , Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.  But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.  And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.  So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.  And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes.  Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.  But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh . What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.  Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him.  And when they lifted up their eyes afar off, and knew him not, they lifted up their voice, and wept ; and they rent every one his mantle, and sprinkled dust upon their heads toward heaven.  So they sat down with him upon the ground seven days and seven nights, and none spake a word unto him: for they saw that his grief was very great.

    After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.  And Job spake , and said ,  Let the day perish wherein I was born , and the night in which it was said , There is a man child conceived .  Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.  Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it.  As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.  Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.  Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.  Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark ; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day:  Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes.  Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?  Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck ?  For now should I have lain still and been quiet , I should have slept : then had I been at rest ,  With kings and counsellors of the earth, which built desolate places for themselves;  Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver:  Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.  There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest .  There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor .  The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master.  Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life unto the bitter in soul;  Which long for death, but it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures;  Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad , when they can find the grave?  Why is light given to a man whose way is hid , and whom God hath hedged in ?  For my sighing cometh before I eat, and my roarings are poured out like the waters.  For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.  I was not in safety , neither had I rest , neither was I quiet ; yet trouble came .

    Then Eliphaz the Temanite answered and said , If we assay to commune with thee, wilt thou be grieved ? but who can withhold himself from speaking?  Behold, thou hast instructed many, and thou hast strengthened the weak hands.  Thy words have upholden him that was falling , and thou hast strengthened the feeble knees.  But now it is come upon thee, and thou faintest ; it toucheth thee, and thou art troubled .  Is not this thy fear, thy confidence, thy hope, and the uprightness of thy ways?  Remember , I pray thee, who ever perished , being innocent? or where were the righteous cut off ?  Even as I have seen , they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.  By the blast of God they perish , and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed .  The roaring of the lion, and the voice of the fierce lion, and the teeth of the young lions, are broken .  The old lion perisheth for lack of prey, and the stout lion's whelps are scattered abroad .  Now a thing was secretly brought to me, and mine ear received a little thereof.  In thoughts from the visions of the night, when deep sleep falleth on men,  Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all my bones to shake .  Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up :  It stood still , but I could not discern the form thereof: an image was before mine eyes, there was silence, and I heard a voice, saying,  Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker ?  Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:  How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth?  They are destroyed from morning to evening: they perish for ever without any regarding it.  Doth not their excellency which is in them go away ? they die , even without wisdom.

    Call now, if there be any that will answer thee; and to which of the saints wilt thou turn ?  For wrath killeth the foolish man, and envy slayeth the silly one .  I have seen the foolish taking root : but suddenly I cursed his habitation.  His children are far from safety, and they are crushed in the gate, neither is there any to deliver them.  Whose harvest the hungry eateth up , and taketh it even out of the thorns, and the robber swalloweth up their substance.  Although affliction cometh not forth of the dust, neither doth trouble spring out of the ground;  Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks  fly upward .  I would seek  unto God, and unto God would I commit my cause:  Which doeth great things and unsearchable  ; marvellous things without number:  Who giveth rain upon the earth, and sendeth waters upon the fields:  To set up on high those that be low; that those which mourn may be exalted to safety.  He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise.  He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong .  They meet with darkness in the daytime, and grope in the noonday as in the night.  But he saveth the poor from the sword, from their mouth, and from the hand of the mighty.  So the poor hath hope, and iniquity stoppeth her mouth.  Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth : therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:  For he maketh sore , and bindeth up : he woundeth , and his hands make whole .  He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee.  In famine he shall redeem thee from death: and in war from the power of the sword.  Thou shalt be hid from the scourge of the tongue: neither shalt thou be afraid of destruction when it cometh .  At destruction and famine thou shalt laugh : neither shalt thou be afraid of the beasts of the earth.  For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.  And thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt visit thy habitation, and shalt not sin .  Thou shalt know also that thy seed shall be great, and thine offspring as the grass of the earth.  Thou shalt come to thy grave in a full age, like as a shock of corn cometh in in his season.  Lo this, we have searched it, so it is; hear it, and know thou it for thy good.

    But Job answered and said ,  Oh that my grief were throughly weighed , and my calamity  laid in the balances together!  For now it would be heavier than the sand of the sea: therefore my words are swallowed up .  For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, the poison whereof drinketh up my spirit: the terrors of God do set themselves in array against me.  Doth the wild ass bray when he hath grass? or loweth the ox over his fodder?  Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg?  The things that my soul refused to touch are as my sorrowful meat.  Oh that I might have my request; and that God would grant me the thing that I long for!  Even that it would please God to destroy me; that he would let loose his hand, and cut me off !  Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare ; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One.  What is my strength, that I should hope ? and what is mine end, that I should prolong my life?  Is my strength the strength of stones? or is my flesh of brass?  Is not my help in me? and is wisdom driven quite from me?  To him that is afflicted pity should be shewed from his friend; but he forsaketh the fear of the Almighty.  My brethren have dealt deceitfully as a brook, and as the stream of brooks they pass away ;  Which are blackish by reason of the ice, and wherein the snow is hid :  What time they wax warm , they vanish : when it is hot, they are consumed out of their place.  The paths of their way are turned aside ; they go to nothing, and perish .  The troops of Tema looked , the companies of Sheba waited for them.  They were confounded because they had hoped ; they came thither, and were ashamed .  For now ye are nothing; ye see my casting down, and are afraid .  Did I say , Bring unto me? or, Give a reward for me of your substance?  Or, Deliver me from the enemy's hand? or, Redeem me from the hand of the mighty?  Teach me, and I will hold my tongue : and cause me to understand wherein I have erred .  How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove ? Do ye imagine to reprove words, and the speeches of one that is desperate , which are as wind?  Yea, ye overwhelm the fatherless, and ye dig a pit for your friend. Now therefore be content , look upon me; for it is evident unto you if I lie .  Return , I pray you, let it not be iniquity; yea, return again , my righteousness is in it. Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?

    Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?  As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work:  So am I made to possess months of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.  When I lie down , I say , When shall I arise , and the night be gone? and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day.  My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken , and become loathsome .  My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without hope.  O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good.  The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes are upon me, and I am not.  As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away : so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.  He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.  Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.  Am I a sea, or a whale, that thou settest a watch over me?  When I say , My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;  Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:  So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life.  I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone ; for my days are vanity.  What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?  And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment?  How long wilt thou not depart from me, nor let me alone till I swallow down my spittle?  I have sinned ; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?  And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away mine iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning , but I shall not be.

    Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said ,  How long wilt thou speak these things? and how long shall the words of thy mouth be like a strong wind?  Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?  If thy children have sinned against him, and he have cast them away for their transgression;  If thou wouldest seek unto God betimes , and make thy supplication to the Almighty;  If thou wert pure and upright; surely now he would awake for thee, and make the habitation of thy righteousness prosperous .  Though thy beginning was small, yet thy latter end should greatly increase .  For enquire , I pray thee, of the former  age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:  (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:)  Shall not they teach thee, and tell thee, and utter words out of their heart?  Can the rush grow up without mire? can the flag grow without water?  Whilst it is yet in his greenness, and not cut down , it withereth before any other herb.  So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish :  Whose hope shall be cut off , and whose trust shall be a spider's web.  He shall lean upon his house, but it shall not stand : he shall hold it fast, but it shall not endure .  He is green before the sun, and his branch shooteth forth in his garden.  His roots are wrapped about the heap, and seeth the place of stones.  If he destroy him from his place, then it shall deny him, saying, I have not seen thee.  Behold, this is the joy of his way, and out of the earth shall others grow .  Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help  the evil doers :  Till he fill thy mouth with laughing, and thy lips with rejoicing.  They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame; and the dwelling place of the wicked shall come to nought.

    Then Job answered and said ,  I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?  If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.  He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered ?  Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.  Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble .  Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.  Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.  Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south. Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without number.  Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: he passeth on also, but I perceive him not.  Behold, he taketh away , who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?  If God will not withdraw his anger, the proud helpers do stoop under him.  How much less shall I answer him, and choose out my words to reason with him?  Whom, though I were righteous , yet would I not answer , but I would make supplication to my judge .  If I had called , and he had answered me; yet would I not believe that he had hearkened unto my voice.  For he breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.  He will not suffer me to take my breath, but filleth me with bitterness.  If I speak of strength, lo, he is strong: and if of judgment, who shall set me a time to plead?  If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse .  Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.  This is one thing, therefore I said it, He destroyeth the perfect and the wicked.  If the scourge slay suddenly, he will laugh at the trial of the innocent.  The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?  Now my days are swifter than a post : they flee away , they see no good.  They are passed away as the swift ships: as the eagle that hasteth to the prey.  If I say , I will forget my complaint, I will leave off my heaviness, and comfort myself:  I am afraid of all my sorrows, I know that thou wilt not hold me innocent .  If I be wicked , why then labour I in vain?  If I wash myself with snow water , and make my hands never  so clean ;  Yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch, and mine own clothes shall abhor me.  For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.  Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.  Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me:  Then would I speak , and not fear him; but it is not so with me.


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    Post  Sanicle on Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:19 am

    Are you thinking that Lilith may have been the author of these parts of the Bible because they show God in a bit of an unpleasant light Oxy? Just wondering.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:14 pm

    Just the opposite, Sanicle. If you wish to see God in a negative light, read the First-Dozen Books of the Bible -- and the Book of Revelation -- not to mention Church History. God is sometimes portrayed as being a Mean Old Man. Take another look at the Sistine Chapel. I'm trying to make a case for at least one God possibly being somewhat like the Queen of Sheba, Isis, Cleopatra, Mary, the Black Madonna, the Queen of England, Diana and Anna (in "V") -- and possibly being an Archangelic Queen of Heaven. My theory being that we might be dealing with a three-way War in Heaven between three Archangelic Queens of Heaven named Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer -- and that on a very ancient basis -- they might be Reptilian Queens. I realize this is Abominable and Damnable Heresy -- but I continue to think that we should consider all possibilities -- regardless of how upsetting they might be. I continue to consider that I might be the worst of the worst (on a reincarnation-basis) going way, way, way back.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:35 pm

    Moved this post to the end of this thread.


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    Post  Sanicle on Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:33 am

    So, you haven't "purposely made things somewhat obtuse and obscure" in these posts.  In that other post I made I was hoping you still had some positivity left in you about the whole state of affairs in this reality, NOT because I disagree with your negative views on the state of affairs (I can relate to nearly all of them) or to make me/us feel better, but because, whether you believe it or not Oxy, I hate to see you suffering so.  I still wish you well and hope you find your joy in life somewhere, somehow.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:42 am

    Thank-you Sanicle. In one sense, I'm actually quite positive -- yet in another sense, I think I've stepped over dozens of lines -- and I really and truly think I've attracted supernatural attacks of various kinds. Plus, my imagination is quite vivid -- and my problem modeling is quite problematic. It feels as if I am in a severe spiritual war 24/7. Some of my conceptualizations are quite egocentric and blasphemous -- and I often feel as if I am on the front-lines of a very real War in Heaven. I get the impression that those who really run the solar system are in a helluva lot of trouble -- and that perhaps no one can solve the problems facing humanoid life in this solar system, and possibly throughout this galaxy. I just keep getting the feeling that there are no happy endings in this nasty game -- and that the bliss of ignorance might be as close to heaven as any of us will ever get. Sorry -- but I think I've gone way too far down the rabbit-hole (for anyone's good) -- so now I'm trying to climb back up. I can't stand the heat in the rabbit-hole -- so I'm getting out...
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    Post  Sanicle on Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:57 am

    Yes, fresh air and sunshine is good. I just hope you really can turn off the worrying as well this time. It's so self-destructive, often useless, and we're the only ones who can stop doing it to ourselves. Take care of yourself Oxy.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:44 am

    Thank-you Sanicle. It's interesting that burying one's head in the sand, and denying reality, is often considered to be normal and harmless -- while attempting to face reality is often considered to be crazy and dangerous. I frankly don't know what I think about much of anything -- and I try to imagine various possibilities -- involving myself in significant history, as if I were there. This is quite delusional -- but also quite educational. I'm not ancient-deity phobic. I simply don't know who to believe or disbelieve -- and I never know what the hidden agendas are. Thank-you for your insights and alternative thinking. I'm just not that bright right now. I'm too screwed-up to think straight. I think I might stop most of my speculative and controversial research and thinking. I might just study Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry, History, Law, and Theology -- at the university-level -- and try to move in a less self-destructive direction. BTW -- here's one more study list:

    1. Song of Solomon.
    2. Job.
    3. Psalms.
    4. Proverbs.
    5. Isaiah.
    6. Matthew.
    7. Ecclesiastes.

    Once again, the idea is to consider this list as being Royal-Model Historical-Fiction Wisdom-Literature -- possible written by Lilith-Isis-Queen of Sheba-Cleopatra!! This might give God a Royal-Feminine Aspect. This is all about a mental and spiritual exercise -- rather than being a claim to exclusive truth. Reading this short-list over and over in an aggressive manner, might open some sort of a Conceptual-Wormhole. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I am NOT a scholar -- and I am just randomly speculating. I just think that religion is a mess (including all Christian Denominations) -- and that it needs to be rethought and reinvented -- remaining as close as possible to Generally Accepted History and Hermeneutics. One other thing. Try thinking in terms of Responsibility>Neutrality>Everything>Response-Ability.
    Raven wrote:[10:13:41 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [10:15:43 PM] Shiloh: I don’t see oxy being close to anything except an appreciation of the archetypes
    [10:16:24 PM] Allisiam: subconsciously I see him (oxy) being helped I guess
    [10:16:31 PM] Shiloh: If he would listen and learn discernment between interpretations, then he would have a much easier time than most to understand the logos cosmology
    [10:16:49 PM] Allisiam: I see the mental war going on in his mind and I see where his subconscious helps him
    [10:17:02 PM] Shiloh: So his background is valuable
    [10:17:10 PM] Allisiam: but his human mind sabotages anything that might comfort him
    [10:17:14 PM] Shiloh: yes he is a good guy at heart lol
    [10:17:20 PM] Allisiam: yes I agree
    [10:17:33 PM] Allisiam: he has a love of the scripture and Jesus
    [10:17:46 PM] Allisiam: and he knows the Jesus typically portrayed in the bible is not right
    [10:17:47 PM] Shiloh: In a way yes
    [10:17:54 PM] Allisiam: or by religion I should say
    [10:18:01 PM] Shiloh: He has an incarnational memory
    [10:18:20 PM] Shiloh: Imo he knew Jesus the 2000 years ago
    [10:18:29 PM] Shiloh: He was around but I think as a roman
    [10:18:39 PM] Allisiam: yes and he is still conflicted
    [10:18:44 PM] Allisiam: still persecuting him
    [10:18:49 PM] Shiloh: Yes, this is my feeling on it
    [10:18:51 PM] Allisiam: but with understanding
    [10:18:59 PM] Allisiam: and compassion now
    [10:19:01 PM] Shiloh: he might have been at the crucifixion as a Roman
    [10:19:13 PM] Shiloh: And felt the cosmic power
    [10:19:25 PM] Shiloh: Actually I am rather sure this was the case
    [10:19:31 PM] Allisiam: yes maybe even stuck the spear in his side...he is poking and poking at Jesus
    [10:19:56 PM] Shiloh: I would not go into so much detail, but yes it could be
    [10:20:23 PM] Allisiam: I am just going by what I see, throwing it out there, I could be wrong
    [10:20:30 PM] Shiloh: All his phobia of ancient deities etc. so become a memeplex of repressed remembrances
    [10:20:48 PM] Allisiam: but he is so distraught by it all that it does seem he carries a huge amount of guilt
    [10:20:55 PM] Allisiam: like he knows he is in deep XXXX
    [10:20:56 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [10:21:20 PM] Shiloh: Perhaps you should send him this info pm to help him
    [10:21:23 PM] Shiloh: I don’t know
    [10:21:49 PM] Allisiam: yes I could send him our convo
    [10:21:50 PM] Allisiam: I don't know if he would listen or believe us
    [10:22:01 PM] Shiloh: It feels ok to do so
    [10:22:08 PM] Allisiam: but it might give him some answers
    [10:22:25 PM] Shiloh: Yes no commentary otherwise or feedback required
    [10:22:39 PM] Shiloh: Raw data to perhaps help him get some mental peace

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    Post  Sanicle on Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:52 am

    Oxy wrote:Thank-you Sanicle. It's interesting that burying one's head in the sand, and denying reality, is often considered to be normal and harmless -- while attempting to face reality is often considered to be crazy and dangerous.

    Not worrying is NOT, I repeat NOT, the same as burying your head in the sand and denying reality.  You can learn and study all you want to, can consider and embrace it all you want to, but that IS NOT the same as worrying about it.  Worrying is going over and over it, imagining the worst.....much as you seem to read any comments I make to try to help in the most negative context possible.   confused Stressing over something you are not in a position to change is worrying, especially when it's about a future that has not even occurred and never may.  It amazes me how often I worry about something in the future and it all turns out just fine.  Beating your head against a brick wall is worrying.  Is that more to your understanding Oxy?  

    Clearly Shiloh and Allisiam wish peace of mind for you as well, as I'm sure most of your readers here do.

    OK, I'll leave you be my friend, given that you take comments I make as criticism.  

    Maybe you find what I've just written "abstract" and "complex" too. (Yep, I caught that  Wink )  And I thought I was being so straightforward in my posts, lol.  Thanks for the heads-up about that.  I'll have to try harder I guess.  

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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:40 pm

    Thank-you Sanicle. I think the bottom-line about me is that I don't necessarily tell individuals what they wish to hear -- or give them what they want. I agonize over being an 'insider' because I have much greater freedom as an 'outsider' to do so. I am seeking understanding, rather than happiness. W. Clement Stone used to exclaim "Repetition!! Repetition!! Repetition!! And Action!!" I am employing "Theme and Variations" to achieve at least partial answers and solutions -- regardless of whether this makes anyone (including myself) happy, or not. I don't know who really runs this solar system -- but I suspect that whether they are good or bad -- they get right to the point, and don't beat around the bush. They are probably very blunt, trenchant, and unpopular. They are probably hated -- regardless of whether they are good or bad. I worry about things, because things don't make sense -- and very few individuals make sense -- or have a sense of humor. I have to go now -- but I might write a bit more tomorrow. I really am trying to end this public exercise in futility -- while continuing my private exercise in futility. We all have our crosses to bear...
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    Post  magamud on Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:27 pm

    "Royal-Model Historical-Fiction Wisdom-Literature -- possible written by Lilith-Isis-Queen of Sheba-Cleopatra!!"

    The architecture forms into a singularity with two paths.  The cross.  Both architectures share the same landscape. There are two lights which can appear as one. This is why knowing character is so important. It helps show patterns.

    "This might give God a Royal-Feminine Aspect."

    Before the event horizon this can be true.  After it, it transcends sexuality by far.

    "This is all about a mental and spiritual exercise"

    Seek and you shall find…

    "Conceptual-Wormhole."

    For sure.  Anyone can spin and create one.  Its stabilizing the Tornado that is the difficulty.

    "Try thinking in terms of Responsibility>Neutrality>Everything>Response-Ability."
    This is wise...
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:35 pm

    Thank-you magamud. A major problem for me regarding Job and the Gospels is who was actually there, writing down every eloquently spoken word??!! Did they have recording equipment?? I realize that there are probably records of every word that everyone has spoken, throughout history -- yet what if Job and the Gospels (among others) were written as Historical-Fiction -- and later represented as absolute history??!! The potential for deception and abuse is mind-boggling. People need to believe -- and there are those who might take advantage of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaUuSJx-VDA It might not start out that way -- but the temptation would be overwhelming for those in power -- or for those who wished to gain power. Also, what if the God represented in Song of Solomon, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Matthew, and Ecclesiastes is the Real-Deal -- as communicated through Historical-Fiction?? What if the Gods are Mighty -- but Not Necessarily Almighty?? What if the Gods are a mixture of Good and Evil?? I don't know how much of a Deity, the Ancient Egyptian Deity really was(with whom I had extended contact). Who knows?? I sure don't. But I got the impression they were a mixture of Good and Evil. I also got the impression that the instant one came to Major-Power, one would start becoming tougher and tougher -- more and more secretive -- more and more violent -- and more and more a lot of bad things -- regardless of how good one started out. The Ancient Egyptian Deity told me that I would manifest my Bad-Side (or something to that effect). Perhaps even the most powerful beings should operate under certain safeguards and restrictions -- so that going rogue would be very, very difficult (if not impossible).

    Once again, PLEASE study this thread as a whole, and see where it leads you, theologically and politically. Also, regarding those seven Books of the Bible, try reading them straight-through -- over and over -- as sort of a Bible-Code Exercise -- wherein insights are derived from that particular mental and spiritual exercise. This might be much more beneficial than quoting scripture -- or pushing a particular orthodoxy. One would simply be enlightened and transformed -- and they might then communicate a rather pure religion -- without ever talking about it!! I sort of got that concept from Dr. Walter Martin, during one of his Sunday-School classes in Costa Mesa. One more thing. I just buried my dog (Jake Sully) -- and I read from my 1928 Book of Common Prayer. I believe that both people and animals have souls and afterlives -- but I'm somewhat doubting the existence of Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell -- other than the Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell which exists all around us -- and who knows where throughout the universe??!! How can one really know?? One can claim just about anything regarding history and the otherworldly. Once again, the potential for deception, fraud, and abuse is unimaginable. Try maintaining healthy levels of Belief AND Doubt. One last thing. Remember in the movie Dogma, where Serendipity (Kali-Appearing Female-Angelic -- as a Muse with No Definition) spoke of Writing the Bible??!! It was in the Bar-Scene. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n08DSqWMd5Q If there was any truth to Dogma, a female wrote the Bible -- and God was a female!! What if a Female-God wrote the Bible?? The Ancient Egyptian Deity spoke of a Hidden-Female!! I asked them if they were God?! They said "No" -- but that they were "Close to God". I keep getting the idea that we live in a rough and tumble universe -- and that the Gods and Goddesses are some very tough and smart rascals!! That might not fit the official Masonic Cheat-Sheet Stereotype -- but what if that really is the "Way Things Are" -- whether anyone likes it, or not??!! What if God is Agnostic??!! What if God Doesn't Believe in God??!!
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    Post  magamud on Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:30 pm

    "Did they have recording equipment??"

    No, they have gods word to deliver us his wisdom in redundancy. God can do anything, but he does not abuse power only what is needed.

    " and later represented as absolute history??"
    Truth is everywhere. It is in myth and literal language. Its a living dynamic.

    "The potential for deception and abuse is mind-boggling"
    I agree when people are not aware of Gods wisdom. I think Atheism will eventually eliminate this problem all together after its real crusade is done. Transhumanism.

    "People need to believe -- and there are those who might take advantage of them."
    Word, but when you find yourself no one can take advantage of you because you are a child of God. This is what Jesus was saying to not fear those that can kill the body, but fear who can kill the soul.




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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:39 pm

    If something was repeated over and over -- century after century -- with the death-penalty for not believing -- people might believe just about anything. If a preacher stood up in front of 10,000 members of a mega-church -- and said they didn't know what they really believed -- that it could be this way or that way -- that everyone should stop paying their tithes and offerings -- and just go home and get laid -- how long do you think they would get to preach to 10,000 people??!! People want CERTAINTY!! What if God turns out to be just the opposite of a Polished Mega-Church Preacher??!! What if Lucifer and/or Satan turns out to be a VERY eloquent and inspiring Gospel-Preacher??!! Think About It!!
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:54 pm

    Sanicle wrote:Yes, fresh air and sunshine is good.  I just hope you really can turn off the worrying as well this time.  It's so self-destructive, often useless, and we're the only ones who can stop doing it to ourselves.  Take care of yourself Oxy.

    Flowers
    Sanicle wrote:
    Oxy wrote:Thank-you Sanicle. It's interesting that burying one's head in the sand, and denying reality, is often considered to be normal and harmless -- while attempting to face reality is often considered to be crazy and dangerous.

    Not worrying is NOT, I repeat NOT, the same as burying your head in the sand and denying reality.  You can learn and study all you want to, can consider and embrace it all you want to, but that IS NOT the same as worrying about it.  Worrying is going over and over it, imagining the worst.....much as you seem to read any comments I make to try to help in the most negative context possible.   confused Stressing over something you are not in a position to change is worrying, especially when it's about a future that has not even occurred and never may.  It amazes me how often I worry about something in the future and it all turns out just fine.  Beating your head against a brick wall is worrying.  Is that more to your understanding Oxy?  

    Clearly Shiloh and Allisiam wish peace of mind for you as well, as I'm sure most of your readers here do.

    OK, I'll leave you be my friend, given that you take comments I make as criticism.  

    Maybe you find what I've just written "abstract" and "complex" too.  (Yep, I caught that  Wink )  And I thought I was being so straightforward in my posts, lol.  Thanks for the heads-up about that.  I'll have to try harder I guess.  

     Hugs
    I think I need to respond briefly to this quoted post. My quoted words at the top of this post were not a direct response to what was said to me in the previous post. It was just something I thought of. I tend to do that, you know. Someone stimulates my thinking -- and I go off on a tangent. Again, I'm serious about being somewhat isolated in 600 square-foot office-apartments under the City of London, the Dark-Side of the Moon, and a Sport-Model Phobos-Sized Bad@ssteroid -- rather than being seen and heard in public-places! I don't think I twist comments (lawyer-like) into unnatural and dark interpretations. I truly attempt to be fair -- but once again, I often go off on tangents, which are sometimes unrelated to the original comments. Sorry about that. The only way I'd be in a position to change the things I worry about is if I joined the Masons -- sold my soul to Lucifer and/or Satan -- and became a corrupt, ruthless, and morally-ambiguous billionaire-insider (hobnobbing with George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and Saint Germaine)!! The only other way would be if I turned out to be some long-lost Ancient-Egyptian Deity who was being reinstated by who knows who -- possibly as a Puppet-Deity or a Transitional-Deity -- designed to replace the Current Bastards with New Bastards!! I'm really just engaging in a somewhat sophisticated version of Religious and Political Science-Fiction -- without writing books, screenplays -- and becoming a rich and famous Hollywood Celebrity!! I'm just a poor, messy, screwed-up completely ignorant fool -- on the verge of being committed to a Secret-Government Mental-Hospital!! I truly wasn't criticizing. Some of the above quoted comment was in response to a PM I sent to Raven. Here is that response in its entirety:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Raven. I frankly don't know what I think about much of anything -- so I try to imagine various possibilities -- involving myself in significant history, as if I were there. This is quite delusional -- but also quite educational. I'm not ancient-deity phobic. I simply don't know who to believe or disbelieve -- and I never know what the hidden agendas are. Thank-you for your insights and alternative thinking. Perhaps someday I'll better understand your somewhat complex and abstract posts. I just not that bright right now. I'm too screwed-up to think straight. I think I might stop most of my speculative and controversial research and thinking. I might just study Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry, History, Law, and Theology -- at the university-level -- and try to move in a less self-destructive direction. Namaste.
    Unrelatedly, consider the following three Bibles Within the Bible:

    1. Genesis through Ruth -- Jeremiah through Malachi -- and the Book of Revelation. (Osiris??)
    2. Job through Isaiah -- and the Book of Matthew. (Isis??)
    3. Mark through Jude. (Horus??)

    I have no idea if this has any validity -- but I found the possibility fascinating!! I obviously am presently leaning strongly toward the second grouping -- and here is an expansion on that basic theme -- in the following order -- and using the King James Version:

    1. Song of Solomon.
    2. Job.
    3. Psalms.
    4. Proverbs.
    5. Isaiah.
    6. Matthew.
    7. Ecclesiastes.
    8. 1928 Book of Common Prayer.
    9. Desire of Ages by Ellen White.
    10. Federalist Papers.
    11. Gothic Architecture and Sacred Classical Music.
    12. Nature and Athletics.
    13. Astronomy, Biology, and Chemistry. (The ABC's)
    14. History, Law, and Theology.
    15. A Combination of Lilith, Isis, the Queen of Sheba, Cleopatra, Ellen White, Anna (in 'V'), and Vala Mal Doran (in Stargate SG-1).

    Again, I have no idea if this has any substantial validity, or not. This is just more speculative fun!! I don't shout this stuff from atop the Seven Hills of Rome!! I'm sure a City-State Theologian could tear me to shreds in a matter of minutes (if not seconds) -- but I still think this sort of thing is appropriate in this very limited and private setting. It's just intended to make some of us think in unconventional ways -- which might eventually lead to something significant. I don't intend to do anything with any of this -- but the offer is still out-there to the Hollywood-Types -- to turn some of this madness into tasteful and appropriate Religious and Political Science-Fiction (in consultation with genuine "Insiders"). I simply don't have those resources -- and I don't intend to sell my soul to You-Know-Who to get that access and opportunity. I live alone -- and now that my dog is dead -- I'm really alone. I honestly intend to stop posting on the internet -- and I plan to do something quite different for at least a year or two (if not longer) -- so this is really a transitional time. I'll probably fix-up my house, sell it, and rent a mountain cabin somewhere (not that I'd expect to be any safer there). I truly don't believe there are "safe-places" if the excrement contacts the refrigeration-system -- especially for malcontents such as myself. Once one goes down the rabbit-hole, they never really come back out!! It's sort of like the "Roach-Motel"!! They go in -- but they don't come out!! BTW -- "My Final Bible" just sounded cool to me!! Don't read to much into that!! It's just a particular area of study!! One more thing. On Sherry Shriner's December 9 show -- she was having technical-difficulties -- and about 48 minutes into the show, she started talking about how ugly the Arcturians were -- and the show went completely dead!! http://www.sherrytalkradio.com/ There was no December 16 show!! The Arcturians must have gotten really angry -- and pulled some strings!! Never Mess With Arcturus!!






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    Post  magamud on Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:21 pm

    "people might believe just about anything."

    As it was intended, Babylon? Divide and Conquer? Order out of Chaos? Jesus brought the fire out of mercy. We are being tested for our metal… Forge?

    "f a preacher stood up in front of 10,000 members of a mega-church"

    There is no fixed position with the meaning of life, but should not one try to point to God? Not easy stuff, thats for sure.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:58 pm

    Thank-you magamud. The Tower of Babel Incident seemed to be Chaos Out of Order -- and destructive chaos seems to have been spread rampantly throughout recorded history. I guess I'm trying to conceptualize Constructive Ordered Chaos -- with Minimalist-Centralized Solar System Governance which facilitates Constructive and Responsible Freedom (which is Harmonious and Non-Rebellious). We must always remember that this Solar System is part of the Universe -- and that we are NOT an Island Unto Ourselves. We must somehow harmonize our activities with the rest of the universe -- or possibly face enslavement and/or extermination. My intention is that a United States of the Solar System would achieve such Pragmatic-Idealism.
    Sanicle wrote:Thanks for your interest and replying Burgundia.  I'm not surprised you're still a bit puzzled by what I've posted.  After reading your comment I went back to the beginning to have a look at it all with fresh eyes and have seen numerous spots where I should've added more info to make both my questions and E's answers more readily understandable.  So that is a task I'll have to undertake.  Thank you for opening my eyes to that.  I didn't even explain who E is in the first post, lol, forgetting that anyone who hasn't followed the 'Elementals' thread would have no idea.   :roll:That must be fixed at least.  I can also add links to where, in that thread, I've added posts that explain some of what we've discussed in the above. But I can do so on this thread if that's not the case.  I'm such a dill sometimes, just going in the flow of the moment instead of putting the proper foundations in when I'm trying to explain something to others, forgetting that they don't have my data bank to reference like I do.  I did the same on the Elementals thread too, trying to keep up with new developments and adding those before even explaining the basics of what I was referring to in starting the thread in the first place.

    As to your second part of your comment..................

    There is also one more thing I have been pondering on recently: too much cruelty in this world which is practically based on killing . Why would God create such a world, so imperfect with the evil in power?
    Yes, those have been my thoughts for many years.  In particular as regards the animals.  I remember when I was in my early teens (I think) finding out what 'meat' was, where it came from and how.  I was horrified but told to stop being an idiot.  And then the more you learn about the world, the worse it gets.  So I've been asking that same question for a long time, and said as much on the 'Carnivores' thread, even though I knew it would not go down too well with some.  (here)

    Yes, why would 'God' create such a world?  And why is it, as I've read others asking recently, that so many pray to 'Him' and meditate in the hundreds for peace and freedom for all and yet nothing changes?  It just stays the same or even get worse.

    So maybe E has given us an answer to this conundrum.  As you say, there are many elements of what she says that sit well with me.  But I'm still digesting it all too.  When I've done enough of that and fixed up what I've posted so far, I intend to ask her another 'big' question.  What was life like before 'God' took over, that she and her kind are working to return us to?  Should be interesting.  But I have to wait until my mind settles enough so I can listen clearly.

    Hugs

    My working hypothesis is that Humanity was an Illegal Creation -- and that Earth is a Prison Planet in Rebellion. The theory is that most (if not all of the rest of the universe does not wish for humanity to exist anywhere, under any circumstances). I've agonized over this for years -- and you were right to rebuke me, Sanicle -- it hasn't done me, or anyone else, any good. So now I'm stopping. I will be lurking, and studying all of the hard work done by all of you. It is deeply appreciated -- even if I am somewhat contrarian. One last thing. I've recently been creating study lists of select Books of the Bible -- and I've been trying to make a connection between Judeo-Christianity and Ancient-Egypt. Without going into any detail -- or repeating myself -- here is a completely Old Testament list -- preferably in the King James Version:

    1. Song of Solomon.
    2. Job.
    3. Psalms.
    4. Proverbs.
    5. Isaiah.
    6. Ecclesiastes.

    Notice that I changed the locations of Song of Solomon and Ecclesiastes. My theory is that these books MIGHT'VE been written by Michael-Lilith-Isis-Queen of Sheba-Cleopatra (on a soul-basis) -- and that these six books compose a complete unit -- especially in this particular order. I'm going away now -- but I'm going to be reading these six books over and over and over again -- while thinking about life, the universe, and everything. One possibly interesting addition to these six books would be the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, which is really Psalms-Centered (with a variety of scriptures from throughout the Bible). This stuff seems to be old-fashioned and boring, on one level -- yet on another level, it becomes very interesting -- but it takes a lot of inspiration, perspiration, pain, and suffering to get to the 'good meaning of life stuff'. What theology would emerge if one intensely focused upon all of the above (along with Sacred Classical Music and Gothic Architecture)?? When one adds Egyptology, Ancient-Technology, and Science-Fiction -- things start becoming very interesting. I think Brook knows what I'm talking about. I know that Sherry Shriner knows -- but I continue to be Wary of Sherry. When I listen to her show -- I generally find about ten minutes of really good stuff -- and a lot of stuff I don't believe. I worry a lot -- and I frankly think that my worrying is legitimate -- regardless of whether it does me (or anyone) any good, or not. Nothing seems to have come of the 2012 Doom and Gloom Prophecies -- yet I continue to think that the state of affairs in this solar system are very dangerous and volatile. Just think about computers, robotics, transhumanism, eugenics, infowars, disclosure, weaponry, warfare, accidents, terrorism -- angels and aliens. Just try to imagine what it might be like to participate in a City-State Think-Tank regarding a Search for a Useable Future in the Twenty-Second Century and Beyond. I don't think we have any idea. Actually, I think some of you do -- but you don't really talk about it. I've tried to deal with some of this sort of thing -- but I've determined that it just doesn't pay. It's not worth the trouble. The General Public will probably willingly go as Lambs to the Slaughter into a Nightmare of a Brave New Universe. The malcontents will probably be eliminated -- kicking and screaming as they go -- with no one really listening -- even as the Doom and Gloom Predictions come horrifyingly true. Something is very, very wrong in this solar system -- and I've gone far enough down the rabbit-hole for this lifetime. I'm pulling the plug on myself (before someone else does). They have ways to make us stop. Many ways. Thank-you all for your love and patience. Namaste.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:56 pm

    Caution: the following paragraphs contain some extreme conceptual modeling!!
    I don't think we have any accurate idea of who we really are -- or regarding the true nature of the universe (or even the solar system). We might all be in for some very rude awakenings. Just don't wake-up on the wrong side of the bed -- even if it turns out that we've been sleeping with the devil for thousands of years. I'm going to go way, way, way, way out on a broken limb with the following speculation -- and I don't know where to begin or end -- because it is insanely farfetched speculation. It has to do with Michael, Lilith, the Creation of Some Version of Humanoid Beings -- the writing of certain books of the Bible -- and the War in Heaven. Should the Song of Solomon really have been named the Song of Lilith?? What if someone told you that you were Michael, Lilith, Isis, and Cleopatra (among others) -- that you created some version of humanity -- and that you wrote five books of the Bible?? I suspect that someone has been playing massive mind-games with me -- but there have been various hints from various sources, that some or all of the above might be true for me on a soul-basis. I realize this qualifies me many times over for that secret mental institution -- but I am quite sober and reasonable -- although being this far down the rabbit-hole makes life completely insane 24/7 -- which is why I just whisper and whimper on this thread -- and why I honestly keep trying to remain silent and contrite. I'm sure there are those who sincerely hope that I shut-up -- so they don't have to shut me up -- and I'm NOT kidding. On the other hand -- back-channel communication might be sort of a safety-valve. What if Lilith wrote the Song of Solomon, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, and at least one of the Gospels (or at least the teachings contained within the Gospels)?? What if Solomon was Sol-Amen-Ra?? What if the Queen of Sheba was Lilith?? The Exodus and the Reigns of King David and King Solomon are VERY Interesting!! Especially Behind the Scenes!! Remember that strange message I posted a couple of months ago?? I received the following message (unedited) under VERY Strange Circumstances:

    You were Incarnate 2000 Years ago and let Us also say that You brought the Prime Creator's Message to the People (Big "G"). After You had been exiled to the far east in those times - A Usurper (Jesus Cesarian) was set up to draw others away from Your Message and to corrupt It. 300 Years Later - The Council of Nicea was convened by a Roman Emperor (Constantine) to reduce the understandings You'd brought to the People - From approximately 37 Books down to 5. Under the Tutelage of these Controller's - Classical Christian Religion was enacted and forced upon the People over the next 1700 Years...The True Teachings of Yeshua are being held in the Vatican Archives so that They can remain on Top as Controllers (See Stigmata: We need no Men or Buildings to reach the Prime Creator was the Thrust of the Teachings kept secret - The Path within). Does this then mean that the Man that originally brought the Message was trying to deceive Us? Or is It rather that the Controller's perverted the Understandings that You'd brought Us previously on Purpose? Simply put - I would say - The Later...This is the Crux and one They have worked hard to convolute...

    What do you think about such a thing?? I did NOT make this up!! I found it in my word-processor!! I just stumbled upon it -- and I could've easily missed it!! The Ancient Egyptian Deity called me Michael -- but I have NO Idea whether there is any substance to that, or not. I've simply used various messages, suggestions, and sources as conceptual-crutches for modeling the unknowable. I'm NOT going to spell this out -- but I could go into a lot more detail. Let's just say that I don't really care one way or the other. It honestly makes very little difference to me. In fact, it could be a VERY bad thing if it were true. I honestly have NO Idea who I might really be on a soul-basis -- and I'm NOT going to try very hard to find out!! My concern is how to help make things work correctly and properly in this solar system -- and possibly beyond -- and this seems to presently be an impossible dream. I honestly keep seeing myself in a 600 square-foot office-apartment and think-tank of probably less than a dozen researchers -- on an ongoing basis -- lifetime after lifetime -- probably inside some Sport-Model Piloted-Asteroid the Size of Phobos. They supposedly like me on Phobos (for who knows what reasons)!! I might've spent a wild-weekend there in a previous incarnation!! BTW -- note that in the most recent "V" the V-Ships have surfaces that are sort of asteroid-like AND in the fourth episode, a bunch of V-Ships are on the edge of the solar system (in close proximity to something which looks like it might be Nibiru)!! What if Anna (in 'V') and Lilith (in literature and images) are depicted in ways which do not reflect who they might be (or might've been) historically and presently?? I continue to say that I liked the best aspects of Anna and the V's -- but hated the worst parts. What hidden-agendas might be seen in various Sci-Fi series and movies (including 'V')?? Once again, consider re-watching the first four episodes of the most recent 'V' series. Really, most of this thread is closely related to this final post. You would need to look very, very closely to really 'get-it' -- and I don't intend to make things any clearer than I already have. I have purposely made things somewhat obtuse and obscure. I need to say it one more time -- that I have ZERO CONFIDENCE in myself in this particular incarnation -- but that I think this particular thread is VERY interesting if you REALLY study it -- and read between the lines. Once again, in many ways, I am an irresponsible idiot -- and that's probably being kind. But in other ways, I seem to be capable of significant insights in the proper context. But I'm not quick and sharp at all. I'm really very miserable and sluggish -- and I'm really not quite sure why. If I were a Long-Lost Lilith -- would that make me a target of the Nether-Realms?? I have NO freaking idea. Most days I just want to disappear, call this life a Mulligan, and start over. Call me the Mulligan Man!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt3UH2k9lu0 I truly HATE Myself and this Stupid Incarnation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MP_G6arpVI I wish to state one more time that I don't get involved in channeling, regression-hypnosis, bloody-rituals, mediums, madams, séances, out of body, remote-viewing, or anything even remotely creepy. I have never belonged to a cult or a secret society. I've been repeatedly invited to join the Masons, but I have declined these offers. I think Ancient Egypt might hold the key to a lot of things -- but I prefer to approach Egyptology from a Biblical Perspective. I just think that the Bible has been massively messed-with, and that it is just part of a very messy and complex story. Several individuals have given me various and sundry clues over several years -- and I won't repeat them -- although I have given you a few clues (including within this final post). I'm not going to do anything with this thread -- other than study it -- and keep my mouth shut. I don't know if this post makes my life more threatening and threatened, or not. Again, I really don't care if this far-fetched hypothesis is true or not. Please don't die laughing at me!! I don't really know what to think about most important things. I just present various 'roads less traveled'. I'm mostly trying to help solve a puzzle -- and help save a race which seems to be on life-support.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:JT: "Ya well if your in conflict with divinity i guess thats what you get as it has been said that the universal matrix of physical reality is conscious and hears everything you think even if your not conscious of it then its just usually just garbled pre programmed 3d go to work go to school go to eat go to bed trapped in a square loop of time on the gregorian time matrix its almost Christmas time again lol oh jeeze here comes the humans with their chainsaws lol well at least the boys know how to operate em right up here."

    ODM: So much for privacy. I've been told that I'm watched even in the bathroom. Am I supposed to be OK with that??? We seem to be watched, listened-to, harassed, possessed, misused, abused, exploited, deceived, tortured, murdered, etc. -- and we're supposed to be OK with that??? BTW -- what are those chainsaws used for up there -- exactly?? There are some fine religious people who have no problem with the Human-Sacrifice of Christ -- Old-Testament and End-Time Torture and Mass-Murder by God and the Angels -- but you had better not utter the F---Word!! Not in Their House!! I'm sick of this moral-inconsistency!! I'm sick of the Alternative-Paradigm and New-Age mumbo-jumbo!! I'm sick of the whole GD Mess -- and I'm going away for at least a year or two. Perhaps I'll read some Murray Rothbard or some Martin Heidegger!! Perhaps I'll study Politics and Religion in the 1930's -- with special attention given to England, Germany, and Italy!! You get the picture. I've sort of burned-out -- and it's time to move-on. I even have a couple of new hobbies planned for next year -- if I'm still alive, that is. I continue to think we are in the middle of a very ancient and nasty War in Heaven -- and that we know comparatively little about the mess we're in. When one really starts poking and prodding, things start getting pretty darn ugly. I've tried to make all of this painfully real -- and it's just about finished me off. I can only imagine how bad a lot of City-State meetings really are. Some of you know what I'm talking about. I guess my present goal is to say less and less about most everything -- especially the stuff I've been posting -- and just internalize my quest -- becoming an expert in the areas I've touched upon -- without doing anything. Period. I realize this is a HUGE waste of time and energy -- and that it might really and truly put me in the Bethesda Naval Hospital -- yet I think it might be important relative to my next incarnation -- as strange as THAT sounds!! I've said over and over that I'm virtually useless and hopeless in this present incarnation -- yet in my next tour of duty -- with the proper training -- I think I might be of some use as a consultant relative to what I've modeled over the past few years. On the other hand -- I might've so angered the Galactic Powers That Be -- that I might not even have a Next-Incarnation. This might be 'Curtains'. I wish I were joking. But please know that I haven't dug in my heels and circled the wagons. This has been all about seeking the TRUTH. No disrespect or hostility has been intended. I simply do not really know who and what I'm dealing with -- and no one on the inside really seems to wish to tell me.
    Anyway, I'm done. This just isn't fun. I perceive that I've stepped over the line with my last few posts (including this one) -- and I also perceive that a 'crack-down and purge the malcontents' time of trouble and reckoning might be upon us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpiUKyZa-xE It's probably too late for me to not be considered as being an unacceptable and problematic reprobate heretic of a most pestilential nature (or something like that) -- so I'm assuming the worst for my near and distant future -- regardless of which regime dominates in the coming decades. I truly could've done a lot more if I hadn't felt miserable and attacked -- and if I didn't have to worry about physical harm and eternal damnation. I still think that this whole Human-Experiment could've been handled in a much more constructive manner -- regardless of whether the experiment ultimately succeeded, or not. I've tried to help over the past several years (even if it didn't seem like it) -- but this effort didn't work -- and now I feel very little obligation and responsibility to keep repeating something which does not work -- and which no one wants. I'm out of here -- and it might be nearly impossible to get me back -- if anyone were so inclined (which I sincerely doubt). The best and the brightest will hopefully save the world, the solar system, and the galaxy -- and they can hopefully do it without the assistance of completely ignorant fools such as myself. It's sort of nice to NOT be needed. It's a truly liberating experience to NOT feel the crushing weight of responsibility for saving the human race (and who knows which other than human races). What if a reprehensible state of affairs has been allowed to exist within this solar system for thousands of years -- for some very legitimate reasons?? I'm not trying to defend evil. I'm just wondering why the universe at large, hasn't cleaned up what seems to be a miserable mess?? But what if that mess is the human race (and not just evil souls, situations, and humans)?? The Book of Revelation describes the end of life as we know it -- but would that necessarily be a good thing?? I am very Sirius regarding my perception that not everyone in this universe is in love with humanity -- and that some desire that humanity not exist anywhere, under any circumstances. There is evidence for that sort of thing -- and I will continue to model that basic hypothesis. Just know that I will be imagining the most idealistic -- and the most horrific -- world, solar system, and galactic possibilities imaginable. I'm worried Stock-Market Analysts have become Distorted and Bastardized. That keeps me awake at night. That -- and worrying about a Counterfeit Second-Coming of Christ, an Alien-Invasion, the Arrival of the Descended-Disasters, Thermonuclear-Warfare, the Destruction of Everyone (Including the Righteous and the Wicked), and the Chinese Taking Possession of the United States. It's the Little-Things. If you secret-agents ever see my hands shaking -- you'll know why. I'm not sure what percentage of the population should think like I do -- but it should probably be less than one-percent. The problem is, that those who REALLY know the Real-Deal are probably so controlled and watched, that they can't do much with their insider-information -- other than follow orders, get back to work, control and exploit the masses. What if the world, solar system, and galaxy will HAVE to be saved by Completely Ignorant Fools (such as myself)??!! But, please, if I am ever forced into such a role, PLEASE let me do it by continuing this thread -- rather than by making a Completely Ignorant Fool out of myself in Real-Life -- in front of the whole universe!!

    Once again, it is nearly impossible to substantiate or invalidate much of what we discuss. In a broader sense, History and Religion are the same way. Who really knows?? I am reduced to considering a lot of possibilities and a lot of information -- and then just getting hunches about the way things might likely be. I've said many times that I feel as if I am in conflict with Divinity, Humanity, and Myself -- and this does NOT make me a happy-camper in a happy-clappy church. Speaking of church -- what if religion will somehow be integrated into school, work, home, and family -- rather than being a stand-alone institution?? What if most church properties will be somehow converted into schools (with churches)?? I've seen some very fine integrations -- wherein a church-school property is well-utilized seven days a week!! Remember to ALWAYS Have a Sabbath-Attitude!! I do NOT wish to Degrade the Decalogue -- but I think we need to take a VERY Careful Look at ALL of Deuteronomy -- Determining What Deuteronomy Means in Modernity -- to ALL the People of the World. Enough Said About THAT!! I've been replying -- but now I'm going to try listening (without replying). BTW -- there are HUGE differences between reacting -- replying -- and responding! The fact that controversial and sensational threads get the most attention is behind the reason I think this world remains screwed-up (and seems to be getting worse). I continue to think this solar system (and not just this world) is One Big Business called Purgatory Incorporated wherein conflict, disease, pain, suffering, warfare, misery, greed, fear, class-warfare, holy-wars, religious-controversy, nationalism, uber-alles, end-of-the-world, saved-and-lost, us-v-them, Salvation4Sale, etc, etc, etc -- are Good for Business!! I call it The Corrupt Ruling the Stupid!! The Golden Rule = Those with the Gold RULE!!! The sad thing is that both the Corrupt and the Stupid seem to be pleased with the present arrangement!! Creating Heaven on Earth aka Paradise Incorporated might be harshly resisted by both the Corrupt and the Stupid!! I suspect that this might be the reason we seem to have Harsh-Administrators of this Prison Planet in Rebellion!! Attempting to Make Things Better might actually Make Things Worse!! I'm morphing into Lurk-Mode for at least a year or two -- watching and listening without replying. One more thing. Consider Everything from All-Angles Always -- and then Compete Without Ceasing With Positive Response Ability!! Robert H. Schuller got it right with Possibility Thinking -- yet this should be ALL Possibilities -- and NOT simply the Positive Possibilities!! Self-Doubt should be punctuated with Self-Esteem -- but neither Self-Doubt or Self-Esteem should be chronic!! The combining of Roman Catholicism with the Crystal Cathedral should be MOST Interesting!! Please remember that this irreverent and slap-stick thread was a means to an end -- which has ended in failure.

    As I go away -- please research Soul-Nature, Human-Nature, Pre-Human Nature, and Other Than Human Nature -- with special attention to Conditions Surrounding Their Creation and/or Evolution -- and the Morality and Obedience of All of the Above. In other words -- leave no stone unturned in this general area of research. While I am disgusted by much Human-Behavior and Human-History -- I keep thinking that Basic Human-Nature is actually not that bad -- and that it seems that Humans must be deceived, programmed, and pushed to do most of the "BAD" things they are famous for. Are Humans too disobedient or too obedient?? Are we easily led astray because we are too compliant and too obedient?? Does it take someone such as Hitler to rile us up to do horrible things?? Still, I am puzzled by the disconnect between the Germany of the 1930's and the Germany of the 1940's -- as well as the alleged persistence of the Nazi-Phenomenon into the 21st Century. Who told Hitler what to say and do?? I might study Martin Heidegger to try to understand this puzzle. Does it take someone such as Alex Jones to wake us up to bad things happening all around us in plain sight?? Does it take ranting and raving to wake us up?? Consider re-watching The Century of the Self. I keep sensing a Harsh and Sinister Solar System Administration. I keep wondering about the legitimacy of this suspected administration. Perhaps there are legitimate reasons why we live in Purgatory Incorporated rather than Paradise Incorporated. I suspect that Ancient Orion, Sirius, Atlantis, Babylon, Egypt, Israel, Greece, Persia, Rome, etc. probably hold a lot of the keys to figuring this out. Plus, I know there are those in this solar system who know the WHOLE Story -- and I think I've spoken directly to at least two of them -- but they were quite reluctant to tell me much. I just knew that they knew -- and I tried to read between the lines -- but I didn't like what my perceptions were revealing to me. It was very frustrating and frightening -- and it further ruined my already ruined life. I've joked about being a Token Nice-Guy Insider -- but I honestly question whether I would retain what little sanity I had left, for any longer than 24 hours on the "Inside" -- and I'm NOT joking. I truly think it might be THAT Bad. The Illuminati are often portrayed as being Heartless-Bastards -- but what if being so is the only way to survive in the Shadowy-Underworld??? I'm serious about certain qualified researchers studying this thread over a period of months and years -- again NOT because I'm smart or spiritual -- but because I don't think you'll find this mix of material in very many places -- tied together in the manner I've done it. I'm NOT promoting myself. I Am Promoting the Information and the Arrangement of That Information. I think it might avoid a lot of ditches and cliffs -- if you know what I mean. Once again, I have assumed certain online identities and characteristics which are NOT Me in Real-Life. This is Fantasy-Land. Please Remember That. I'm now going to do my best to NOT post online -- and to attempt to Look-Good and Make-Money in Real-Life in a Highly-Respectable Manner. I'm going to pretend this online and real-life fiasco NEVER Happened. If you talk to me -- don't expect me to say or do anything relative to the past few years. BTW -- I'm still not happy about all the sneaking-around, spying, and whispering behind my back -- and You Know What I'm Talking About. This whole thing should've remained Within This Website. All of this madness was NOT intended for the community I reside in. If I thought I had a case, I'd probably seek legal counsel -- but it might be fun to at least go through the DISCOVERY process (with Multiple FoIA's, an Attorney, an Exorcist, and a Private-Investigator) -- and I'm NOT Joking. Pro Bono Anyone?? You MIGHT be able to retire!! The Jokes are Over Folks. You'll have to get your laughs somewhere else. Good-luck solving all the problems -- and I sincerely mean that.

    Just another Biblical thought -- which I think I've mentioned previously -- what if one focused upon Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, and Daniel -- or basically the Wisdom-Books and the Major-Prophets?? Does any religious group do this sort of thing?? What would the Jews say?? What would the Christians say?? What would all religions say?? What would atheists say?? What would agnostics say?? I've wondered about a Christianity which focused upon the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus -- but what if this Ten Book Old Testament focus were sort of an Old Testament version of Red-Letter Christianity?? Something is very wrong with the church and state situation on this planet -- and I suspect this is by design -- just like I suspect a lot of things are not random accidents of coincidence and fate. Further -- what if one placed these ten books in the context of an Ancient Hebrew-Egypt?? One other study possibility was Deuteronomy, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Matthew, and the 1928 Book of Common Prayer -- as a Minimalist-Traditionalist Old-Testament Based Reformed-Catholic Christianity!! Isn't THAT a Mouthful??!! This option might be most interesting if it were conceptualized as being contained within Ancient-Egypt (complete with Ancient High-Technology)!! Imagine two, three, or four Sun-Gods arguing with each other concerning all of the above!! I still think that Religious and Political Historical Science Fiction might be a productive pursuit -- if and only if genuine truth-seeking were the goal. But I truly think that those who go this route might pay a rather high personal price. I believe that genuine truth-seeking is somewhat self-defeating and self-destructive -- and I'm not sure the Gods and Goddesses are thrilled by such activities. Once again, I think there are probably Gods and Goddesses who are a helluva lot smarter and tougher than we are -- yet they might not be what we might wish for them to be. There might be valid and legitimate reasons why they seem to Rule by Secrecy -- rather than being Open, Honest, and Visible. One last thought regarding Regimes and Changes -- Make Damn Sure That a Change is a Change for the Better -- Long-Term. Do NOT Jump Out of the Frying-Pan and Into the Fire. Think Long and Hard About What I Just Said. What if we really require a Bad@ss Sun God aka Solar System CEO?? What if the Gods and Goddesses in Stargate SG-1 are somewhat representative of the Solar Deities we are dealing with in real-life?? What if there is sort of a Papa Midnight's Club for Sun Gods on the Dark-Side of the Moon?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5H9fhHkhH4 What if they met at Mork 'n Orks Grey Bar?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qAqwIW704 Shouldn't we consider even the most absurd possibilities on an ongoing basis?? Unfortunately, I'm finished doing this sort of thing in public. I've learned the hard-way that it just doesn't pay. This sort of thing just doesn't sell. It's NOT popular and respectable -- and it's way too painful and difficult. But I will create a Private-Hell for myself, wherein I agonize over the unthinkable. The Horror.

    I appreciate people such as Manly P. Hall. I don't know that much about him -- but I respect esoteric-research -- if, and only if, it is done in the right way -- and for the right reasons. LOVE -- for me -- has digressed into trying to transform Purgatory Incorporated into Paradise Incorporated -- which might involve essentially the same Solar System Structure -- but with the highest ethical-standards -- and the most effective law-enforcement imaginable. I've been told that I should've left everything in the Lord's Hands -- and I still don't know what was meant by that. Should I look the other way when I see cruelty and corruption?? What if there are Many Lords -- Living in Many Mansions -- with Many Wives??? We might be surprised!! Should I conceptualize something between Purgatory Incorporated and Paradise Incorporated?? You know -- the System of Rewards and Punishments being Paradise Incorporated as the Reward -- and Purgatory Incorporated as the Punishment???!!! What if this exact system ALREADY EXISTS???!!! I don't have a problem with high-standards, hard-work, and efficient-accounting -- but this world (and probably the whole solar system) seems to be in HUGE Trouble (on so many levels). What would YOU do if YOU were the CEO of This Solar System??? What Would God Do??? Is it important to make sure that we have the Right God running things in this solar system?? Is it blasphemous to even ask that question??? But seriously, listening to Sherry Shriner, reading The Gods of Eden and Rule by Secrecy has tweaked my brain -- and that's without even touching my Great Controversy!!! I've tried to be quite nice in all of this madness -- and that hasn't seemed to work. I perceive that I've been taken advantage-of and laughed-at -- so perhaps that Final Chapter of The Great Controversy might have to play-out after-all. I love the best parts of that chapter -- and I had hoped to avoid the worst parts -- but things aren't looking so good. No one really seemed to lift their little-finger (or anything else) to really discuss this with me (in any sort of a meaningful way). The Ancient Egyptian Deity implied that this world might be Hell. They were visibly troubled when I began reading from the last chapter of The Great Controversy. Are we really dealing with some version of a conflict between Isis-Hathor and Amen Ra -- Two Ancient Egyptian Deities in Conflict with Each Other?? I'm conflicted regarding whether this is a Two-Way or a Three-Way Conflict. What would one call a God who despised Humanity?? Might a Very Traditional God (who opposed the creation of Humanity) be viewed by Humans as being Satan?? I realize this is a VERY loaded question -- but who one calls "God" or "Satan" might depend on location and perspective. I keep getting the feeling that we live in a very complex and messy universe -- and that things might not be what they seem to our simple Earth-Human Perspectives. What if the Gods and Goddess fight with each other??!! What if they call each other names -- such as "Satan" and "The Devil"??!! Once again, consider all of the possibilities, all of the time -- even if it hurts. I've dealt with several Individuals of Interest -- yet I kept sensing that I was dealing with the Same Underlying Soul (in different forms). This goes for both the internet and real-life. I've also noticed strange behavior and strangely-familiar statements by those close to me (or somewhat close to me). If they can't get me one way -- they'll get me some other way -- or so it seems. This whole thing stinks on so many levels -- and when my life falls apart when I have to deal with this madness -- I am looked upon as being weak and messed-up -- and I am very seldom thanked for various insights, concerns, and efforts. If I didn't give a damn -- and just looked the other way -- I'd be doing just fine -- thank-you very much. The fact that I have considered some dark universal and theological possibilities should NOT be construed as meaning that I am a Dark-Soul. Just the opposite -- I have simply attempted to Shine a Bright Light Upon a Dark World. Sorry if that rendered some of you Spiritually-Blind. Sorry if that offends -- but it's just part of the act. Were You Fooled by a Completely Ignorant Fool???

    Who does Planet Earth belong to?? Who does Earth's Moon belong to? Who does the Sun belong to?? Who do all of the other planets in this solar system belong to?? Who do the moons belong to?? Who owns the asteroids?? What laws apply throughout the solar system?? Should Earth-Humans leave Earth?? Should Earth-Humans leave this solar system?? If so -- where should they go -- and how would they get there?? Who does the Stolen-Technology belong to?? I frankly don't know who and/or what I am on a soul-basis. Am I fundamentally mammalian?? Am I fundamentally reptilian?? Am I fundamentally angelic?? Should Earth-Humans be exterminated?? Is this fundamentally a Reptilian-Universe?? Is this fundamentally a Mammalian-Universe?? Is this fundamentally an Angelic-Universe?? Would a United States of the Solar System solve this solar system's problems?? Would a United States of the Solar System reignite a Hot War in Heaven?? Should we implement Status Quo Ante Bellum in this solar system?? What are the specific roles of the Archangels Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer in this solar system?? Should the Universe be a Universal-Theocracy -- with no freedom -- and no humans?? Are Human Beings an Illegal and Unwelcome Creation in this Universe?? I've tried to be neutral about all of this -- in a somewhat irreverent, flippant, and humorous way -- but no one really seems to have common-sense, or a sense of humor. I'm frankly thinking that if humans are properly managed, they can become a truly great-race -- and live in harmony with the other races of the universe -- but I'm just not seeing a proper discussion of these most important issues. Once again, I'm sensing a 'Hardline Anti-Human' Faction -- a 'Hardline Exploit the Humans' Faction -- and a Very Out of Power 'Moderate and Neutral' Faction which Reflects My United States of the Solar System Conceptualizations. The big problem for me is that I have NO Idea what's really going on -- or who I really am. This really doesn't seem fair. So much of this madness seems unreasonable and arbitrary -- just like a lot of the Old Testament Rules, Practices, and Warfare. This solar system truly seems insane to me. When I try to make sense out of the madness, this effort seems to be deeply resented by just about everyone. I truly think that Humans are a Recent and Unwelcome Creation in an Other Than Human Universe -- and that Humanity is Seeking a Governmental System which is Heresy to the rest of the Universe. What if the Roman Catholic Church really is part of a Truly Universal Church Theocracy?? Once again, this is not a nasty-attack. I am merely trying to understand what we are really dealing with. I continue to model an idealistic combination of the Roman-System, the British-System, the American-System, and the United-Nations System -- but I fear that my quest for a Dynamic-Equilibrium of Divine-Sovereignty and Human Responsible-Freedom is considered by most of the universe to be Damnable-Heresy of a Most Pestilential Nature. I'm sensing that we live in a Very Harsh, Traditional, and Arbitrary Universe -- which wishes to see this solar system returned to its Pre-Human Conditions (before the creation of the 'Talking-Monkeys'). 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPeRhWSVCJU 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK0LxkRB6aI Someone please reveal the Real-Deal. I HATE this stupid guessing-game.
    magamud wrote:Another great show.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM4Ul2BCzIM
    I appreciate the work of both Bill Cooper and Alex Jones -- but in very different ways -- and I can only expose myself to their material for short periods of time. I continue to wonder about the detrimental effects of non-stop exposure to the very upsetting areas of research covered by a lot of researchers -- including Bill and Alex. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of these types of people turn out to be agents of various kinds -- and once again, I just take everything in -- use what I can -- and move on. I'm so screwed-up by all of this madness, that I'm trying to not deal with it anymore -- not directly anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if most people who are anybody -- work for somebody in the shadows. As Jester used to say "Who Do You Work For??!!" The Ancient Egyptian Deity told me that "in twenty years you'll be working for us". That didn't sound like a good thing to me -- but who knows?! I keep worrying about exchanging a bad-regime for an even worse regime. Modeling solar system governance has made me fear there is NO Good Way to Run a Solar System -- and that Good-Guys might really finish last in this nasty game. I asked the Ancient Egyptian Deity "How Good is Too Good??" They didn't have an answer -- and neither did I!! We seemed to know each other -- going way, way, way back!! That's what really scared me!! They seemed to like me and hate me -- simultaneously!! My present conceptualizations are more upsetting than I can handle -- and hence, I'm trying very hard to move on. I'm a regular listener to Sherry Shriner's show -- but I think I'm going to stop listening -- just because I think I'm stuck in a mucky and nasty rut, which I desperately need to get out of. I don't believe everything anyone says -- and I have even irreverently questioned the Gods and Goddesses. I truly think this sort of thing brings on supernatural attacks. It sure feels that way. I've "enjoyed" listening to Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, Sherry Shriner, Eric Jon Phelps, et al -- in a morbid-curiosity sort of way. I don't think this is healthy -- but I do think that some of us need to go down this sad road -- for a while, at least. I don't talk about any of this stuff in "real-life" -- and I'm trying very hard to stop talking about it in the Fantasy-Land of the Internet. There are probably some reprehensible aspects to solar system governance which will be present, regardless of which regime is dominant. Perhaps the best we can do is to understand the "Way Things Are" -- rather than changing things. I don't know. I just feel very, very small and powerless -- compared to the Secret Solar System Government (and it's visible agents and agencies). I think this is an extremely dangerous area of research -- and those who go down this road should keep their seatbelts fastened. I don't wish this madness on anyone -- and I have tried to limit my public activities to this site -- where I suspect that 90% of the participants are a lot further down the rabbit-hole than I am. A coworker of mine just died -- and it sort of makes my 'quest' seem silly, insignificant, and useless. I didn't help this coworker in his final days -- and I feel very guilty and negligent for not doing so. The 'quest' sort of took over. This isn't a good-thing -- to say the least.

    I am not necessarily opposed to a lot of the secret stuff -- but I always get the sinking feeling that there is a rogue-faction which is completely out of control -- and extremely dangerous. My United States of the Solar System conceptualizations have been my feeble attempt to at least fantasize about a happy and harmonious solar system of high-technology, and highly-ethical law and order. I keep harping back to my horrifying hypothesis that humanity is a race the universe doesn't want -- and that we might be worse than cattle in the eyes of most of the universe. Mind-you -- I wasn't brought up this way -- yet underlying my religious education was this very concept (in a somewhat hidden form). One has to become a heretic, lose their faith, and go partially-insane, to start grasping how much trouble we might really be in. I keep thinking that the secret factions are mostly just greedy-bastards -- yet there might be genuine fear as well. They MIGHT be fighting the legitimate governments of the world (if any actually exist) -- plus, they might be fighting some really bad@ss alien and/or angelic/demonic forces. I keep thinking that the real truth about how this solar system works is really bad. I'm so sorry for being a stick in the mud -- and for being a party-pooper -- but I am simply attempting to arrive at the simplest and most accurate version of the way things are in the world, solar system, and universe. Unfortunately, this is making me very, very unhappy and non-productive. I don't think I'm crazy presently (even though it might seem like it) -- but I think I might go crazy at a later date -- and I might go down really, really hard. That wouldn't surprise me one little bit -- so follow my internet-posting -- but don't follow me personally. What seem to be supernatural-attacks, seem to be getting worse and worse. I'm also experiencing continuing hostility in 'real-life'. I know I'm paranoid -- yet on some level -- I really think they are out to get me -- yet they seem to mostly be allowing me to hang myself. They just seem to keep feeding me more rope. In many ways, I think I'm hanging myself because I wish to be both honest and invisible. If one doesn't care what happens to themselves -- and just free-styles within the relative freedom of the internet -- they can probably cover a lot more ground than they could if they were trying to "get somewhere" or maintain an "image". It's sort of like "I didn't get the damn job -- so now I'm going to tell you what I really think, @sshole!!!" Sorry for being so blunt and graphic!! I'm really NOT that kind of guy!! Just the opposite!! I've been trying to stop posting for years -- and I never can!! I've been watching several YouTube music videos, with tens of millions of views!! One has over one-hundred million views!! But when it comes to what is posted on this (and similar) websites, the interest is pretty lame -- and often the comments are even more lame!! On one level, this world seems to be quite sophisticated -- yet on another level, the really important subjects are handled rather poorly. I can frankly see why this world is ruled by secrecy -- even though I HATE that concept. It's repugnant!! Perhaps I might meet some of you on the Moon someday -- but I don't know if that would be a good thing, if we found ourselves on the Moon!! I think that Deep-Research of Troubling-Subjects is a pretty lonely road -- but perhaps we should be thankful that people are not dealing with this madness. They might not be ready for it yet -- which is why I just privately research, speculate, and post on this relatively small website.

    What if Solomon and Jesus turn out to be the same soul?? Again, try to follow key-souls throughout history -- but don't be surprised by anything!! History might be messier and nastier than we can possibly imagine!! Think long and hard about Lilith, Adam, and Eve -- Isis, Moses, and Aaron -- Isis, Ra, and El -- Isis, David, and Solomon -- Isis, Horus, and Set -- Mary, Jesus, and Paul -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer -- ???????? I'm not implying equivalencies here. I'm just suggesting taking a closer look. Once again, look at how the prayers and collects in the 1928 Book of Common Prayer are ended!! I don't know if that means anything or not -- but I find it quite unsettling!! The Ancient Egyptian Deity asked me if I thought I were the one hanging on the cross in a crucifix?! I didn't think so -- and I don't think so!! However, whoever is depicted as hanging high above the altar does NOT seem to be in favor or in power -- in any way, shape, or form!! There is something creepy about the Sacrificial System, the Substitutionary Atonement, Animal Sacrifices, Human Sacrifices, the Crucified Christ, the Sacrifice of the Mass, and Transubstantiation. I suspect a Very Dark Hidden History and Reality in connection with all of this -- going way, way, way back. I love the devotional and artistic aspects of the Latin Mass -- yet I remain very troubled by the details. Enough Said About THAT. On the other hand -- consider the 1928 Book of Common Prayer with Deuteronomy, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, and Hebrews printed in their entirety -- along with the 1940 Hymnal. Further, consider this expanded version in both Latin and English (or in Latin, with the English translation included within the text, or in parallel columns)!! Then, what if all of the above were combined with the basic form of the Latin Mass (with Spoken-English and Sung-Latin)??!! What if the larger Roman Catholic Churches used this model for an additional service, which might be referred to as a Protestant Mass??!! Wouldn't THAT be a can of worms??!! Shouldn't Protestantism attempt to stay as close to Catholicism as they possibly can (in good conscience)?? Should Protestantism degenerate into "Anything Goes"?? If you haven't already, please read Exo-Vaticana by Tom Horn and Chris Putnam. I'm sure the church doesn't like it, but it fits in well with this particular website and thread. I'm really neither Friend or Foe of the Church. Once again, I often think of myself as being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist (even though this is rather inaccurate)!! I'm not even close to that description externally -- although I am somewhat that way internally!! I think this world is ruled by some very powerful beings -- who have worldly agents doing business for them -- such as the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. I hate to say it, but if it weren't them, it would be someone else. Same goes for bad (and good) presidents. They seem to mostly be employees of those previously mentioned very powerful beings. We might be more screwed than we can imagine. I'm mostly trying to understand, rather than change things -- at least for now.

    Imagine, for a moment, the Queen of Sheba writing and speaking the Song of Solomon, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Christ's Object Lessons (E.G. White), Romans, Hebrews, and Ecclesiastes (KJV with an Ethiopian/English Accent -- in that order) -- in the Context of the New York Queen-Ship in the Latest Version of "V"!!! I am a bit different -- aren't I?! Read all of the above -- straight-through -- over and over -- with a Queen of Sheba mental-voice OR you might wish to try this out-loud (hopefully somewhere where no one will become angry with you)!! Think very, very deeply about this particular combination and order!! What if the Queen of Sheba (on a soul-basis) really DID write all of the above??!! What if this soul is also responsible for most of the Gothic-Architecture and Sacred Classical Music?? What if this soul invented sex??!! Would all of the above constitute a System of Intellectual-Philosophy with Sensuality as It's Sphere?? I should stop!! Note especially what I did with what I consider to be the Cream of the Gospels -- and the Cream of the Writings of Ellen White!! I didn't do that lightly -- but it really fits in well with those particular Books of the Bible (in that particular order)!! You might have to really agonize over that one for a while!! I sure did!! I have been attempting to think the God's and Goddess's thoughts after them, throughout this thread!! BTW -- those should be upper and lower case "G's" -- which would include the Real-Deal -- as well as the Angry and Jealous Gods and Goddesses!!! I met someone the other day, who reminded me of a composite of Rachel Constantine (in Contact), Lilly (in Star Trek: First Contact), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ and some other interesting individuals who fit in with the general theme of this thread (whatever THAT means)!! I met a similar individual quite some time ago, in the very same place. I don't wish to be more specific -- but if you read between the lines, I think you might know what I'm talking about. You know -- someone who is very understated, very intelligent, and very articulate -- and who you would NOT want to cross!! What if God Really is Fundamentally a Black Woman??!! Think about the theological implications and ramifications of the movie Dogma!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20CRw3XdETA I think I might've encountered another Rufus and a very young Last Scion!! Think Long and Hard About This Entire Post!! Now, I think I need to install some new windows on my home -- and clean-house!! A Perfect-Storm is Forecast!! Enough Said!! You might legitimately object to my methodology -- but honestly -- could I have really made my point with a Devotional-Book or a Doctoral-Dissertation???? If you wish to see God in a negative light, read the First-Dozen Books of the Bible -- and the Book of Revelation -- not to mention Church History. God is sometimes portrayed as being a Mean Old Man. Take another look at the Sistine Chapel. I'm trying to make a case for at least one God possibly being somewhat like the Queen of Sheba, Isis, Cleopatra, Mary, the Black Madonna, the Queen of England, Diana and Anna (in "V") -- and possibly being an Archangelic Queen of Heaven. My theory being that we might be dealing with a three-way War in Heaven between three Archangelic Queens of Heaven named Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer -- and that on a very ancient basis -- they might be Reptilian Queens. I realize this is Abominable and Damnable Heresy -- but I continue to think that we should consider all possibilities -- regardless of how upsetting they might be. I continue to consider that I might be the worst of the worst (on a reincarnation-basis) going way, way, way back. Just an afterthought. What if Amen Ra led the Exodus against Isis -- and then Isis (in the form of the Queen of Sheba) regained power over Solomon -- but ruled secretly?? Who knows?? I sure don't!! I just think that the real solar system secrets are very hidden, dark, and nasty!! Tough to experience -- but the makings of some fine science-fiction!! BTW -- can you imagine EBE exclaiming "I Am NOT a Potted-Plant (Even Though I Am Chlorophyll-Based)!!" in the Final-Judgment??!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWwNawZdCg What Would Guermo Mendoza Say?? What Would Bill Cooper Say?? Think About It!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jd_0ZChHmY Here is a revised study-list or focus-list:

    1. Song of Solomon.
    2. Job.
    3. Psalms.
    4. Proverbs.
    5. Isaiah.
    6. Desire of Ages by Ellen G. White.
    7. Romans.
    8. Hebrews.
    9. Ecclesiastes.
    10. 1928 Book of Common Prayer.
    11. Federalist Papers.
    12. Christ's Object Lessons by Ellen G. White.
    13. Believe in the God Who Believes in You by Robert H. Schuller.
    14. The Gospel According to Science Fiction by Gabriel McKee.
    15. Exo-Vaticana by Chris Putnam and Thomas Horn.
    16. The Gods of Eden by William Bramley.
    17. Gothic Architecture and Sacred Classical Music.
    18. Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry, History, Law, Theology.
    19. Nature and Athletics.
    20. Paradise Incorporated v Purgatory Incorporated.

    This is NOT a My Way or the Highway approach. This is merely a place of beginning. If I were ever involved in City-State discussions regarding the future of Humanity in this Solar System -- I would wish to cover this territory in great detail. Once again, I'm flying-blind, and I have no idea who and/or what we're really dealing with -- and I have no idea who I really am (on a reincarnation-basis) despite my speculation and modeling. If a secret society ever brought me into the fold -- they would be quickly angered and disillusioned by my lack of respect and loyalty. I seriously imagine myself spending 99% of my time in two very small apartment/offices -- one under the City of London -- and the other under the Dark-Side of the Moon -- basically doing what I'm doing right now -- except with immaculate housekeeping and sophisticated supercomputers. I've seriously let myself go -- sort of like Gabriel in The Prophecy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gia8EZkBDc4 I think the stakes are extremely high -- but I have no idea who I am, or what to do. You have NO idea what I REALLY think about. I often imagine a long history of Star Wars and Power Struggles. In such a context, the Absolute Authority of a Supreme Commander would be essential to survival -- yet once a New World or New Earth were conquered, Absolute Obedience and God's Prerogative might backfire, and cause the Rank and File to Revolt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgaWmIdxU_4 Think long and hard about what I just said. I truly think there are Gods and Goddesses in this universe -- yet they might not be what we might wish for them to be. Even if 90% of 90% of the theologies are utter bullshit -- this doesn't mean that there are not underlying theological realities which are very, very real. Please consider reading Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, and Romans -- straight through -- over and over again -- in the imagined context of the apartment/offices I just mentioned. In all of this internet madness -- I have NOT waged war upon anyone. This has been sort of a "Discovery-Process" -- but it has torn me apart nearly every day for the past few years. As a teenager, I knew something was horribly wrong -- and not just with the world as a whole. Something was very wrong with the institutions tasked with "saving the world". I sort of took a couple of steps backward -- to try to get the "big-picture" -- and I seemed to fall off the edge of the world. I never recovered. Things just kept getting worse and worse. What really scared me was seeing some of the best and brightest theologians and pastors looking very, very disillusioned and defeated during the 1980's. Despite everything, I still think that the Bible might be a very deep and complex puzzle to solve. I once heard Chuck Swindoll (at his church -- not on the radio) seem to say that the Bible needed to be completely solved, before we could move on. I'm not sure if he said it quite that way -- but that was the impression I got. I heard Robert H. Schuller (at his church -- not on television) say that it was time to move on -- and I think I know what he meant by that. He offered a fresh and new alternative to the old and negative Traditional Biblical approach. Unfortunately, something was very wrong with BOTH approaches.

    I frankly think that there might not be a good and right way to do politics and religion. This infowar might get worse than we can possibly imagine -- and when certain factions and individuals get exposed and deposed -- they might retaliate in some unbelievably destructive ways. I am very, very afraid. I really am. I fear that we might truly be on the brink of extinction. But Siriusly, even if the whole damn solar system gets turned into one big asteroid-belt -- this has been sort of fun -- hasn't it??? Please say 'YES"!! In many ways, it's been so sad, that it's almost been funny!! Almost. Perhaps I should just let this go. You get the idea from what I've posted so far. Do I really need to post all of those Books of the Bible?? Would anyone read them?? That's a good one!! I'm not saying to not read the rest of the Bible. I'm just saying that the approach presented in this thread might be highly valuable to the right researchers. I'm sort of going underground, because I think this world is going completely opposite the direction I'm going. I think I might've been sent here to do specific tasks -- which I probably didn't do. Two tasks come to mind: 1. Preaching Daniel and Revelation. 2. Ending the World. Wasn't THAT a strange thing to say??!! I just wish to make it perfectly clear that Ethics, Law, and Order are near (or at the top) of my "To Do List" -- and that a lot of what is in the Bible and the Church does NOT seem ethical to me. Further, I support Incarceration, Work, and Education -- rather than Extermination and Damnation. I guess I like the idea of a Nice and Tight Solar System Ship -- with Structure and Discipline -- but NO Cruel and Unusual Punishment. One more thing -- what if those Five Books I was supposed to have written were turned into Sixty-Six Books??!! But what if the other Thirty-Two Books are necessary for those Five-Books to really make sense???!!! I have NO idea!! However, the Ancient Egyptian Deity seemed to say that there was a HUGE amount of withheld information in and around the Vatican -- and that I had historically been supportive of humanity -- and that I supported the concept of grappling with scripture, rather than imposing orthodoxy (or something like that). They seemed to say that humanity should not have been saved -- and that people deserved to die. They seemed to say that Theocratic and Socialistic Rule worked much better than our human attempts at freedom. They also seemed to say that Other-Than-Human Beings were vastly superior to Human-Beings. Once, as I talked to them on the phone, I got the impression that they were either in a Spaceship or a DUMB -- and I thought I heard an Other-Than-Human in the background!! I said to say "HELLO" to them!! Enough Said!! I'm honestly not making this stuff up!! But now I'm honestly going to try to stop posting one more time!! You have your homework!! Study hard -- and see what YOU think!! Imagine Zo'or and Da'an (from Earth: Final Conflict) ruling Earth from the Dark-Side of the Moon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAHJcWjbq1M What if this is sort of how things have been for thousands of years? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLiFtOUsVUY What if Job and the Gospels are Historical-Fiction?? Would this mean 'No God -- and No Salvation'?? I think not. I think we need to grow-up as a civilization -- and stop acting like children. But if we are treated as children -- we'll probably keep acting like children. I continue to think that all options are highly flawed -- and that the people of the world will be highly upset -- no matter what changes are made (or not made). What if there are three Christs?? Gabriel-Christ -- Michael-Christ -- and Lucifer-Christ?? What if (in antiquity) they were a lot like Ra in Stargate (complete with disk and horns headgear)? What if there were three Sun-Gods -- and only One Sun?? There can be only One Ra -- right?? Might that be what the War in Heaven was (and is) all about?? Three Fundamentally Differing Approaches to Physicality and Governance?? Might there be One Arrogant God Surrounded by Angry and Jealous Gods?? The following is an illustration of a previous proposal (which I have withdrawn). Wouldn't this make EVERYONE livid with rage??!! Still -- it might make for some interesting science-fiction -- don't you think??!!

    God

    King and Queen

    United States of the Solar System (3,333 Representatives) --- Solar System Council of Churches (3,333 Representatives) --- Solar System Supreme Court (3,333 Justice-Representatives)
    The United States of the Solar System might be a cross between the United States of America -- the United Nations -- and the Secret Government. The Solar System Council of Churches might be the Prime Solar System Watchdogs and Advisors (but without direct authority and power). The Solar System Supreme Court might prove to be the Real Solar System Backbone (with the Perfect Laws of the Lord -- and Very Little Turnover). The King and Queen might be Glorified-Versions of the Pope of Rome and the Queen of England. God might be a Glorified-Version of the Best of All of Us. He and/or She might just sit back and enjoy the show -- showing-up only when necessary -- and laying-down the law only when absolutely necessary -- as an Authority of Last Resort. Would this model properly observe the 'Sovereignty of God' and 'Responsible Human Freedom'?? This is tricky territory -- to say the least. What if the following image were of God (Resting on the Sabbath)??!! How might one define and observe the Sabbath on the Moon?? "Remember to ALWAYS Have a Sabbath-Attitude. I Am of Peace. Always."


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVYU8NJOtWw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXOuZgm_eY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQH3LtNePgI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NKUpo_xKyQ
    Just for the record -- I aspire to be a combination of orthodoxymoron (fictional), Palmer Joss (fictional), 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFcHpamkHII 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcqaHxI5-P8 Ellie Arroway (fictional), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SbKE_U4b7U Rachel Constantine (fictional -- hard to find any clips or images -- interesting!!), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVn90-83NQQ S.R. Hadden (fictional), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k30TU1qFK_4 and Jack MacDonald (non-fictional). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v97Lm9tRl1A I could've used many other names -- but those just popped into my mind. In other words (and other worlds), I'd love to be a Philanthropic Galactic Jack MacDonald -- and I sincerely hope that in other lifetimes I have been (and will be) just that. I'm really not kidding about that 600 square-foot office-apartment -- but I have no idea where it should appropriately be. Perhaps it might need to be inside of one of those Piloted Bad@ssteroids (with superluminal and intergalactic capabilities)!!! "He Rarely Lands for Anyone!!" Perhaps I should be careful what I ask for!! 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6oD0tZVrRg 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0K46C82v9o I Truly Love ALL of You. It Is Finished. Now I Can at Least Try to Go Back to Some Form of Normal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsTBbAMikPQ This Was a Test. This Was Only a Test. I am unbelievably embarrassed and traumatized by this mess. I just hope those with greater stability and resources can benefit in some way from my madness -- which is hopefully temporary. Sorry for the Misunderstanding. One More Thing. I don't know if I have a claim on anything, or not, but I claim that which is rightfully mine (in the broadest and deepest sense of that sentence) -- in a timely, proper, and appropriate manner. What a strange thing to say!! Now I'm going away (effective December 17, 2013). Namaste and Godspeed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B1EAeh6H_I


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzO6Hz1dGsI
    Two Archangelic Ancient Egyptian Deities in Symbolic and Representational Form??
    Never Stop Thinking About the University of Solar System Studies and Governance!!
    Never Stop Thinking About Innovative Theological Conceptualizations!!
    Never Stop Thinking About the United States of the Solar System!!
    Never Stop Thinking About Archangelic Queens of Heaven!!
    Never Stop Thinking About Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer!!
    Never Stop Thinking About Thinking!!
    Never Stop Thinking!!
    End of Thread!!

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    Re: Bible-Thumping!!

    Post  magamud on Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:40 pm

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    Re: Bible-Thumping!!

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:12 am

    Thank-you magamud. I'm leaving now -- but keep posting -- and a constructive conversation may result. The End is Here -- for me, at least. Namaste and Godspeed.
    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEVVjbCszc4 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2m7I4WEoso
    Sanicle wrote:Are you thinking that Lilith may have been the author of these parts of the Bible because they show God in a bit of an unpleasant light Oxy?  Just wondering.  
    Just the opposite, Sanicle. If you wish to see God in a negative light, read the First-Dozen Books of the Bible -- and the Book of Revelation -- not to mention Church History. God is sometimes portrayed as being a Mean Old Man. Take another look at the Sistine Chapel. I'm trying to make a case for at least one God possibly being somewhat like the Queen of Sheba, Isis, Cleopatra, Mary, the Black Madonna, the Queen of England, Diana and Anna (in "V") -- and possibly being an Archangelic Queen of Heaven. My theory being that we might be dealing with a three-way War in Heaven between three Archangelic Queens of Heaven named Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer -- and that on a very ancient basis -- they might be Reptilian Queens. I realize this is Abominable and Damnable Heresy -- but I continue to think that we should consider all possibilities -- regardless of how upsetting they might be. I continue to consider that I might be the worst of the worst (on a reincarnation-basis) going way, way, way back.
    Sanicle wrote:So, you haven't "purposely made things somewhat obtuse and obscure" in these posts.  In that other post I made I was hoping you still had some positivity left in you about the whole state of affairs in this reality, NOT because I disagree with your negative views on the state of affairs (I can relate to nearly all of them) or to make me/us feel better, but because, whether you believe it or not Oxy, I hate to see you suffering so.  I still wish you well and hope you find your joy in life somewhere, somehow.

    HugsHadriel
    Thank-you Sanicle. In one sense, I'm actually quite positive -- yet in another sense, I think I've stepped over dozens of lines -- and I really and truly think I've attracted supernatural attacks of various kinds. Plus, my imagination is quite vivid -- and my problem modeling is quite problematic. It feels as if I am in a severe spiritual war 24/7. Some of my conceptualizations are quite egocentric and blasphemous -- and I often feel as if I am on the front-lines of a very real War in Heaven. I get the impression that those who really run the solar system are in a helluva lot of trouble -- and that perhaps no one can solve the problems facing humanoid life in this solar system, and possibly throughout this galaxy. I just keep getting the feeling that there are no happy endings in this nasty game -- and that the bliss of ignorance might be as close to heaven as any of us will ever get. Sorry -- but  I think I've gone way too far down the rabbit-hole (for anyone's good) -- so now I'm trying to climb back up. I can't stand the heat in the rabbit-hole -- so I'm getting out...
    Raven wrote:[10:13:41 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [10:15:43 PM] Shiloh: I don’t see oxy being close to anything except an appreciation of the archetypes
    [10:16:24 PM] Allisiam: subconsciously I see him (oxy) being helped I guess
    [10:16:31 PM] Shiloh: If he would listen and learn discernment between interpretations, then he would have a much easier time than most to understand the logos cosmology
    [10:16:49 PM] Allisiam: I see the mental war going on in his mind and I see where his subconscious helps him
    [10:17:02 PM] Shiloh: So his background is valuable
    [10:17:10 PM] Allisiam: but his human mind sabotages anything that might comfort him
    [10:17:14 PM] Shiloh: yes he is a good guy at heart lol
    [10:17:20 PM] Allisiam: yes I agree
    [10:17:33 PM] Allisiam: he has a love of the scripture and Jesus
    [10:17:46 PM] Allisiam: and he knows the Jesus typically portrayed in the bible is not right
    [10:17:47 PM] Shiloh: In a way yes
    [10:17:54 PM] Allisiam: or by religion I should say
    [10:18:01 PM] Shiloh: He has an incarnational memory
    [10:18:20 PM] Shiloh: Imo he knew Jesus the 2000 years ago
    [10:18:29 PM] Shiloh: He was around but I think as a roman
    [10:18:39 PM] Allisiam: yes and he is still conflicted
    [10:18:44 PM] Allisiam: still persecuting him
    [10:18:49 PM] Shiloh: Yes, this is my feeling on it
    [10:18:51 PM] Allisiam: but with understanding
    [10:18:59 PM] Allisiam: and compassion now
    [10:19:01 PM] Shiloh: he might have been at the crucifixion as a Roman
    [10:19:13 PM] Shiloh: And felt the cosmic power
    [10:19:25 PM] Shiloh: Actually I am rather sure this was the case
    [10:19:31 PM] Allisiam: yes maybe even stuck the spear in his side...he is poking and poking at Jesus
    [10:19:56 PM] Shiloh: I would not go into so much detail, but yes it could be
    [10:20:23 PM] Allisiam: I am just going by what I see, throwing it out there, I could be wrong
    [10:20:30 PM] Shiloh: All his phobia of ancient deities etc. so become a memeplex of repressed remembrances
    [10:20:48 PM] Allisiam: but he is so distraught by it all that it does seem he carries a huge amount of guilt
    [10:20:55 PM] Allisiam: like he knows he is in deep XXXX
    [10:20:56 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [10:21:20 PM] Shiloh: Perhaps you should send him this info pm to help him
    [10:21:23 PM] Shiloh: I don’t know
    [10:21:49 PM] Allisiam: yes I could send him our convo
    [10:21:50 PM] Allisiam: I don't know if he would listen or believe us
    [10:22:01 PM] Shiloh: It feels ok to do so
    [10:22:08 PM] Allisiam: but it might give him some answers
    [10:22:25 PM] Shiloh: Yes no commentary otherwise or feedback required
    [10:22:39 PM] Shiloh: Raw data to perhaps help him get some mental peace

    http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=B5F83661-8D17-4903-99A2-A9A4F8BBD6E0
    It's interesting that burying one's head in the sand, and denying reality, is often considered to be normal and harmless -- while attempting to face reality is often considered to be crazy and dangerous. I frankly don't know what I think about much of anything -- and I try to imagine various possibilities -- involving myself in significant history, as if I were there. This is quite delusional -- but also quite educational. I'm not ancient-deity phobic. I simply don't know who to believe or disbelieve -- and I never know what the hidden agendas are. Thank-you for your insights and alternative thinking. I'm just not that bright right now. I'm too screwed-up to think straight. I think I might stop most of my speculative and controversial research and thinking. I might just study Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry, History, Law, and Theology -- at the university-level -- and try to move in a less self-destructive direction. BTW -- here's one more KJV study list:

    1. Song of Solomon.
    2. Job.
    3. Psalms.
    4. Proverbs.
    5. Isaiah.
    6. Matthew.
    7. Ecclesiastes.

    Once again, the idea is to consider this list as being Royal-Model Historical-Fiction Wisdom-Literature -- possibly written by Lilith-Isis-Queen of Sheba-Cleopatra!! This might give God a Royal-Feminine Aspect. This is all about a mental and spiritual exercise -- rather than being a claim to exclusive truth. Reading this short-list over and over in an aggressive manner, might open some sort of a Conceptual-Wormhole. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I am NOT a scholar -- and I am just randomly speculating. I just think that religion is a mess (including all Christian Denominations) -- and that it needs to be rethought and reinvented -- remaining as close as possible to Generally Accepted History and Hermeneutics. One other thing. Try thinking in terms of Responsibility>Neutrality>Everything>Response-Ability.
    Sanicle wrote:Yes, fresh air and sunshine is good.  I just hope you really can turn off the worrying as well this time.  It's so self-destructive, often useless, and we're the only ones who can stop doing it to ourselves.  Take care of yourself Oxy.

    Flowers
    Thank-you Sanicle. I think the bottom-line about me is that I don't necessarily tell individuals what they wish to hear -- or give them what they want. I agonize over being an 'insider' because I have much greater freedom as an 'outsider' to do so. I am seeking understanding, rather than happiness. W. Clement Stone used to exclaim "Repetition!! Repetition!! Repetition!! And Action!!" I am employing "Theme and Variations" to achieve at least partial answers and solutions -- regardless of whether this makes anyone (including myself) happy, or not. I don't know who really runs this solar system -- but I suspect that whether they are good or bad -- they get right to the point, and don't beat around the bush. They are probably very blunt, trenchant, and unpopular. They are probably hated -- regardless of whether they are good or bad. I worry about things, because things don't make sense -- and very few individuals make sense -- or have a sense of humor. I have to go now -- but I might write a bit more tomorrow. I really am trying to end this public exercise in futility -- while continuing my private exercise in futility. We all have our crosses to bear...
    Sanicle wrote:
    Oxy wrote:Thank-you Sanicle. It's interesting that burying one's head in the sand, and denying reality, is often considered to be normal and harmless -- while attempting to face reality is often considered to be crazy and dangerous.

    Not worrying is NOT, I repeat NOT, the same as burying your head in the sand and denying reality.  You can learn and study all you want to, can consider and embrace it all you want to, but that IS NOT the same as worrying about it.  Worrying is going over and over it, imagining the worst.....much as you seem to read any comments I make to try to help in the most negative context possible.   :confused:Stressing over something you are not in a position to change is worrying, especially when it's about a future that has not even occurred and never may.  It amazes me how often I worry about something in the future and it all turns out just fine.  Beating your head against a brick wall is worrying.  Is that more to your understanding Oxy?  

    Clearly Shiloh and Allisiam wish peace of mind for you as well, as I'm sure most of your readers here do.

    OK, I'll leave you be my friend, given that you take comments I make as criticism.  

    Maybe you find what I've just written "abstract" and "complex" too.  (Yep, I caught that  Wink )  And I thought I was being so straightforward in my posts, lol.  Thanks for the heads-up about that.  I'll have to try harder I guess.  

    Hugs
    I think I need to respond briefly to this quoted post. My quoted words at the top of this post were not a direct response to what was said to me in the previous post. It was just something I thought of. I tend to do that, you know. Someone stimulates my thinking -- and I go off on a tangent. Again, I'm serious about being somewhat isolated in 600 square-foot office-apartments under the City of London, the Dark-Side of the Moon, and a Sport-Model Phobos-Sized Bad@ssteroid -- rather than being seen and heard in public-places! I don't think I twist comments (lawyer-like) into unnatural and dark interpretations. I truly attempt to be fair -- but once again, I often go off on tangents, which are sometimes unrelated to the original comments. Sorry about that. The only way I'd be in a position to change the things I worry about is if I joined the Masons -- sold my soul to Lucifer and/or Satan -- and became a corrupt, ruthless, and morally-ambiguous billionaire-insider (hobnobbing with Satan, Ben Bernanke, George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, and Saint Germaine)!! The only other way would be if I turned out to be some long-lost Ancient-Egyptian Deity who was being reinstated by who knows who -- possibly as a Puppet-Deity or a Transitional-Deity -- designed to replace the Current Bastards with New Bastards!! I'm really just engaging in a somewhat sophisticated version of Religious and Political Science-Fiction -- without writing books, screenplays -- and becoming a rich and famous Hollywood Celebrity!! I'm just a poor, messy, screwed-up completely ignorant fool -- on the verge of being committed to a Secret-Government Mental-Hospital!! I truly wasn't criticizing. Some of the above quoted comment was in response to a PM I sent to Raven. Here is that response in its entirety:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Raven. I frankly don't know what I think about much of anything -- so I try to imagine various possibilities -- involving myself in significant history, as if I were there. This is quite delusional -- but also quite educational. I'm not ancient-deity phobic. I simply don't know who to believe or disbelieve -- and I never know what the hidden agendas are. Thank-you for your insights and alternative thinking. Perhaps someday I'll better understand your somewhat complex and abstract posts. I'm just not that bright right now. I'm too screwed-up to think straight. I think I might stop most of my speculative and controversial research and thinking. I might just study Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry, History, Law, and Theology -- at the university-level -- and try to move in a less self-destructive direction. Namaste.
    Unrelatedly, consider the following three Bibles Within the Bible:

    1. Genesis through Esther -- Jeremiah through Malachi -- and the Book of Revelation. (Osiris?? Gabriel?? Critical of Mankind?? Uncompromising Traditionalist??)
    2. Job through Isaiah -- and the Synoptic Gospels. (Isis?? Michael?? Progressive Minimalist-Traditionalist??)
    3. John through Jude. (Horus?? Lucifer?? The Experience of Jesus as Lord?? Radical Progressive??)


    I have no idea if this has any validity -- but I found the possibility fascinating!! I obviously am presently leaning strongly toward the second grouping -- and here is an expansion on that basic theme -- in the following order -- and using the King James Version:

    1. Song of Solomon.
    2. Job.
    3. Psalms.
    4. Proverbs.
    5. Isaiah.
    6. Matthew.
    7. Ecclesiastes.
    8. 1928 Book of Common Prayer.
    9. Desire of Ages by Ellen White.
    10. Federalist Papers.
    11. Gothic Architecture and Sacred Classical Music.
    12. Nature and Athletics.
    13. Astronomy, Biology, and Chemistry. (The ABC's)
    14. History, Law, and Theology.
    15. A Combination of Lilith, Isis, the Queen of Sheba, Cleopatra, Ellen White, Anna (in 'V'), and Vala Mal Doran (in Stargate SG-1).

    Again, I have no idea if this has any substantial validity, or not. This is just more speculative fun!! I don't shout this stuff from atop the Seven Hills of Rome!! I'm sure a City-State Theologian could tear me to shreds in a matter of minutes (if not seconds) -- but I still think this sort of thing is appropriate in this very limited and private setting. It's just intended to make some of us think in unconventional ways -- which might eventually lead to something significant. I don't intend to do anything with any of this -- but the offer is still out-there to the Hollywood-Types -- to turn some of this madness into tasteful and appropriate Religious and Political Science-Fiction (in consultation with genuine "Insiders"). I simply don't have those resources -- and I don't intend to sell my soul to You-Know-Who to get that access and opportunity. I live alone -- and now that my dog is dead -- I'm really alone. I honestly intend to stop posting on the internet -- and I plan to do something quite different for at least a year or two (if not longer) -- so this is really a transitional time. I'll probably fix-up my house, sell it, and rent a mountain cabin somewhere (not that I'd expect to be any safer there). I truly don't believe there are "safe-places" if the excrement contacts the refrigeration-system -- especially for malcontents such as myself. Once one goes down the rabbit-hole, they never really come back out!! It's sort of like the "Roach-Motel"!! They check in -- but they don't check out!! BTW -- "My Final Bible" just sounded cool to me!! Don't read to much into that!! It's just a particular area of study!! One more thing. On Sherry Shriner's December 9 show -- she was having technical-difficulties -- and about 48 minutes into the show, she started talking about how ugly the Arcturians were -- and the show went completely dead!! http://www.sherrytalkradio.com/ There was no December 16 show!! The Arcturians must have gotten really angry -- and pulled some strings!! Never Mess With Arcturus!!
    magamud wrote:"Royal-Model Historical-Fiction Wisdom-Literature -- possible written by Lilith-Isis-Queen of Sheba-Cleopatra!!"

    The architecture forms into a singularity with two paths.  The cross.  Both architectures share the same landscape.  There are two lights which can appear as one.  This is why knowing character is so important.  It helps show patterns.

    "This might give God a Royal-Feminine Aspect."

    Before the event horizon this can be true.  After it, it transcends sexuality by far.

    "This is all about a mental and spiritual exercise"

    Seek and you shall find…

    "Conceptual-Wormhole."

    For sure.  Anyone can spin and create one.  Its stabilizing the Tornado that is the difficulty.

    "Try thinking in terms of Responsibility>Neutrality>Everything>Response-Ability."
    This is wise...
    Thank-you magamud. A major problem for me regarding Job and the Gospels is who was actually there, writing down every eloquently spoken word??!! Did they have recording equipment?? I realize that there are probably records of every word that everyone has spoken, throughout history -- yet what if Job and the Gospels (among others) were written as Historical-Fiction -- and later represented as absolute history??!! The potential for deception and abuse is mind-boggling. People need to believe -- and there are those who might take advantage of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaUuSJx-VDA It might not start out that way -- but the temptation would be overwhelming for those in power -- or for those who wished to gain power. Also, what if the God represented in Song of Solomon, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Matthew, and Ecclesiastes is the Real-Deal -- as communicated through Historical-Fiction?? What if the Gods are Mighty -- but Not Necessarily Almighty?? What if the Gods are a mixture of Good and Evil?? I don't know how much of a Deity, the Ancient Egyptian Deity really was (with whom I had extended contact). Who knows?? I sure don't. But I got the impression they were a mixture of Good and Evil. I also got the impression that the instant one came to Major-Power, one would start becoming tougher and tougher -- more and more secretive -- more and more violent -- and more and more a lot of bad things -- regardless of how good one started out. The Ancient Egyptian Deity told me that I would manifest my Bad-Side (or something to that effect). Perhaps even the most powerful beings should operate under certain safeguards and restrictions -- so that going rogue would be very, very difficult (if not impossible).

    Once again, PLEASE study this thread as a whole, and see where it leads you, theologically and politically. Also, regarding those seven Books of the Bible, try reading them straight-through -- over and over -- as sort of a Bible-Code Exercise -- wherein insights are derived from that particular mental and spiritual exercise. This might be much more beneficial than quoting scripture -- or pushing a particular orthodoxy. One would simply be enlightened and transformed -- and they might then communicate a rather pure religion -- without ever talking about it!! I sort of got that concept from Dr. Walter Martin, during one of his Sunday-School classes in Costa Mesa. One more thing. I just buried my dog (Jake Sully) -- and I read from my 1928 Book of Common Prayer. I believe that both people and animals have souls and afterlives -- but I'm somewhat doubting the existence of Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell -- other than the Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell which exists all around us -- and who knows where throughout the universe??!! How can one really know?? One can claim just about anything regarding history and the otherworldly. Once again, the potential for deception, fraud, and abuse is unimaginable. Try maintaining healthy levels of Belief AND Doubt. One last thing. Remember in the movie Dogma, where Serendipity (Kali-Appearing Female-Angelic -- as a Muse with No Definition) spoke of Writing the Bible??!! It was in the Bar-Scene. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n08DSqWMd5Q If there was any truth to Dogma, a female wrote the Bible -- and God was a female!! What if a Female-God wrote the Bible?? The Ancient Egyptian Deity spoke of a Hidden-Female!! I asked them if they were God?! They said "No" -- but that they were "Close to God". I keep getting the idea that we live in a rough and tumble universe -- and that the Gods and Goddesses are some very tough and smart rascals!! That might not fit the official Masonic Cheat-Sheet Stereotype -- but what if that really is the "Way Things Are" -- whether anyone likes it, or not??!! What if God is Agnostic??!! What if God Doesn't Believe in God??!! If something was repeated over and over -- century after century -- with the death-penalty for not believing -- people might believe just about anything. If a preacher stood up in front of 10,000 members of a mega-church -- and said they didn't know what they really believed -- that it could be this way or that way -- that everyone should stop paying their tithes and offerings -- and just go home and get laid -- how long do you think they would get to preach to 10,000 people??!! People want CERTAINTY!! What if God turns out to be just the opposite of a Polished Mega-Church Preacher??!! What if Lucifer and/or Satan turns out to be a VERY eloquent and inspiring Gospel-Preacher??!! Think About It!! The Tower of Babel Incident seemed to be Chaos Out of Order -- and destructive chaos seems to have been spread rampantly throughout recorded history. I guess I'm trying to conceptualize Constructive Ordered Chaos -- with Minimalist-Centralized Solar System Governance which facilitates Constructive and Responsible Freedom (which is Harmonious and Non-Rebellious). We must always remember that this Solar System is part of the Universe -- and that we are NOT an Island Unto Ourselves. We must somehow harmonize our activities with the rest of the universe -- or possibly face enslavement and/or extermination. My intention is that a United States of the Solar System would achieve such Pragmatic-Idealism.

    Ecclesiastes 12: 1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh , when thou shalt say , I have no pleasure in them;  2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened , nor the clouds return after the rain:  3 In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble , and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few , and those that look out of the windows be darkened ,  4 And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low ;  5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish , and the grasshopper shall be a burden , and desire shall fail : because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:  6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed , or the golden bowl be broken , or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.  7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.  8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.  9 And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed , and sought out , and set in order many proverbs.  10 The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.  11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd .  12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished : of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.  13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.  14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing , whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:35 am

    I recently spoke with two Jehovah's Witnesses regarding the Bible. One person I had spoken with previously -- and the other I had not. The first was quite nice, and seemingly moderate and reasonable. The second was almost lawyer-like -- and somewhat mechanical or programmed -- or so it seemed to me. They defended the killing of women and children in Deuteronomy (on the basis of context and God's longsuffering). They admitted that a Global Theocracy will be a future-reality -- with no religious freedom -- and the death-penalty for non-compliance. I have tried to talk to all of you about important issues of church and state -- yet my efforts seem to have accomplished absolutely nothing. You MUST research the relationship between Divine-Sovereignty and Responsible Human-Freedom. This is more of a slippery-slope than you can imagine. How does one search for truth -- without becoming a rebel?? How does one correct evils in church and state -- without becoming a radical or potential-terrorist (or something like that)?? The hardline individual mentioned above seemed to use the Bible to maintain authority and power -- without being open and understanding regarding what the texts were really communicating. I think we might be heading into an era of religious-persecution, which might make the Crusades and the Inquisition look like Sunday-School Picnics. We really need to understand Ethics, Law, and Law-Enforcement. This is at the core of church and state. I think we might really be facing a Final Jihad of Biblical Proportions. The world is too small. The information is too voluminous and available. People are not trained researchers. People are often reactionary and irrational. I continue to think that this world is controlled by Harsh Administrators -- and I'm not sure if this is a legitimate administration, or not. A less-harsh administration might really facilitate Hell on Earth -- but I certainly don't know what the agendas and hidden-agendas are. All I know, is that when I seek the truth -- I seem to be attacked (in a variety of ways). I'm literally begging you to study this thread, and the United States of the Solar System thread. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6380-the-united-states-of-the-solar-system-archangelic-queens-of-heaven-and-the-university-of-solar-system-studies-and-governance I don't think most of you have any idea what we might really be facing in the coming months and years. I'm not going to keep trying to deal with this madness. I think that most of humanity will have to learn the hard way. You have no idea what I see in my Crystal Ball. I've given you many of the tools to grapple with our predicament -- but this just hasn't worked out very well. I am so very sorry regarding what I think most of us will have to experience. I think it might be best if I didn't participate in what's coming -- on either side -- at least for the rest of this incarnation -- yet I doubt that I will have that luxury. Perhaps none of us will.

    What if This Present Darkness aka This Present Solar System simply needs to be refined and purified (with some proper oversight and safeguards)?? What if the way this solar system works goes back thousands of years?? What if this solar system was idealistically planned and created -- and then taken-over and corrupted?? What troubles me most is wondering about the true nature and history of the souls present within this solar system. What if these souls require Purgatory Incorporated?? What if Paradise Incorporated would NOT work?? What if starting from scratch would be the worst thing we could do regarding the running of this solar system?? What if Human Beings MUST be managed by Other Than Human Beings?? What if a smart, sinister, and morally-ambiguous Solar System CEO is absolutely necessary -- given the true state of affairs which presently exist within this solar system?? What if we need a Bitchy Reptilian Queen??!! I've joked a lot about being a Token Nice-Guy Insider-Observer -- but what if I actually got the job -- and observed absolutely reprehensible and horrific activities?? What if these activities were absolutely necessary?? I just think that the present solar system reality is NOT what the original planners had in mind -- but what if the original plan was fatally flawed?? What if living as Draconian-Reptilians would be better than living as Human-Beings??!! I know -- I'm insane -- but we all know that -- so let's just move on. 99.99% of Earth-Humans couldn't care less about what I agonize over -- day after day -- month after month -- year after year. Frankly, my advice is to NOT agonize over any of this madness. Just get back to work -- make lots of money -- marry a trophy-spouse -- have four charming children -- and live in a waterfront mansion. What if Heaven really does exist somewhere -- but that 99.99% of Earth-Humans would not think that Heaven was Heaven at all??!! What if some form of a United States of the Solar System really does exist somewhere in this galaxy (or even somewhere in this solar system)??!! What if very little would have to change for a United States of the Solar System to exist throughout this solar system?? Once again, I simply do NOT know what is really going on -- and no one seems to wish to tell me. I just think we would be shocked if we could see ourselves as the Gods and Goddesses see us!! I don't think we have a clue!!

    Imagine working your way to the top of the Secret Government (over four very nasty decades of absolute obedience and reprehensible orders). Then, imagine travelling on a UFO to the Dark-Side of the Moon -- undergoing an extensive security check (in addition to the one on Earth) -- before entering a fast elevator (going down three kilometers in less than a minute) -- being escorted by two heavily-armed nine-foot tall Draconian-Reptilian Guards down a five-hundred meter tunnel (through three blast-doors) -- arriving at one final extra-heavy blast-door (protecting the Solar System Nerve Center) -- which is then opened slowly -- revealing a Completely Ignorant Fool with Two Stunningly-Beautiful Topless Research-Assistants -- watching Sci-Fi Porn (Buck-Naked Rogers!!) -- eating pizza, drinking beer -- and greeting you with WAAAAAZZZZZZZUPPP!!!!! This wouldn't exactly inspire confidence -- now would it??!! I just couldn't resist -- but I should've!! Siriusly, I wouldn't be surprised to find a cross between Papa Midnight and Doctor Mataros!! Some of you might even know what I'm talking about.

    One Sunday (decades ago), at St. Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29bUV4s0X4w I heard a cool improvised organ postlude on Ode to Joy (Beethoven) by Ralph Hooper (if I remember correctly). He made extensive use of the Horizontal Trompettes -- and it really impressed me -- even though it wasn't that difficult or elaborate. It just hit the spot -- and I told him so!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPFnuVsRzCQ I still think St. Mary's might've been a cool United States of the Solar System Headquarters -- yet I'm quite sure that wouldn't work in the real-world. It was just fun to think about. Everyone would go ballistic!! Perhaps we could rent an Auditorium from the Nazis on the Moon!! What Would Angela Kraft Cross Say?? What Would Monseigneur Bowe Say?? I also used to enjoy singing that tune as a call to worship at the Crystal Cathedral!! 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_be4K-gbCo 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z6Zcr5Ji9w 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6YwuKYmAgc Please don't misunderstand my Cathedral and Organ Bias. I think we probably have enough of them presently -- they probably cost way too much -- many people don't like them -- but they're already built -- so why not enjoy them!! I'm simply trying to positively-reinforce what we have on Planet Earth. I wonder what Anglican and Catholic Clergy and Musicians REALLY think about Architecture, Music, Liturgy, and Theology??!! We might be VERY surprised!! BTW -- I was lucky to see and hear Dr. Norman Vincent Peale at the Crystal Cathedral. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iadPvP5Ecws I don't care what anyone says, but Dr. Schuller and Dr. Peale were very necessary religious reformers -- despite any faults and mistakes. On the other hand, some have found Peale Appalling -- and Paul Appealing!!

    I recently saw someone who reminded me of Anna in "V". Then I started thinking about working with such an individual -- and it scared the hell out of me!! I imagined why an "Empathy-Test" might be necessary!! I imagined a very smart, tough, quick, and demanding Queen -- with little patience or tolerance for incompetence. I remember hearing an insider speaking of Connie Chung pushing coworkers aside, rather than walking around them!! What Would Newt Gingrich's mother say?? What if Earth-Humanity gets taken-over by another Human-Race from a distant planet?? I continue to think that we are screwed, not matter which way things go. I think the future will be difficult for most of the people of the world -- going forward -- for a very long time. I'm hoping for the best -- yet I'm suspecting the worst.

    Let me just say that I am NOT insubordinate to the Will of God. I frankly and honestly am having a very difficult time determining what the Will of God actually is in modernity. I think there might be a Divine Identity Crisis. What is the Law of God in modernity?? What is the One True Church?? I know a rather articulate person who thinks that ALL Religion is Bullshit!!! What if Religion Ultimately HAS to be Bullshit??!! What if the Truth is SO Overrated??!! What is one to do -- if to rule men, it is necessary to deceive them??!! Just think of how many aspects of life are based upon deception!! Be Honest!! I think we might be entering into a period of great disillusionment -- which is probably unavoidable. If I travelled the world -- attending board-meetings of all churches and religions -- I'd probably remain silent. Some things simply must play out. Some things cannot be rushed or bypassed. I think there might be a very nasty infowar -- followed by some sort of a religious and political consolidations -- which might be extremely traumatic. I've tried to be blunt and honest on this website -- but that was probably a HUGE mistake. Becoming a Mason -- Giving People What They Want While Taking What They Have -- Would've Probably Been MUCH More Productive!!

    As one final effort on this website -- I will post Song of Solomon, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, and Ecclesiastes -- without identification or chapter and verse numberings -- as sort of a Theological Love-Letter -- hypothetically written by the one soul most closely associated with Lilith-Isis!! I'm NOT an Egyptologist or a Biblical-Scholar -- so I certainly don't know how valid this selection, order, and theory are. What if these are at least some of the Teachings of Isis?? Mind you -- I am NOT a New-Age Goddess-Worshipper!! Should the order and inclusion be Job, Song of Solomon, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, and Ecclesiastes?? One more time -- What is the Perfect Law of the Lord?? Deuteronomy?? Is Deuteronomy ethically-perfect?? Do these five books sound anything like Deuteronomy?? Think long and hard about THAT!! What if those five books (in that order) were the Religious Modus Operandi for Planet Earth??!! Incidentally -- my computer just got shut-off with 30% of the battery remaining. That's never happened before. Perhaps someone didn't like my Lilith-Isis Wisdom-Book Hypothesis!! This could present HUGE problems if it is even remotely accurate!! I am extremely discouraged and despondent. No one seems to need me or want me -- so I'm leaving -- and I doubt that I'll return -- but I have no idea what I'll be doing, or where I'll be going. Actually, I'll probably just be doing my hobbies. I'm Sirius. Good-Bye.



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    Re: Bible-Thumping!!

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:01 pm

    Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine. Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth , therefore do the virgins love thee.  Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee. I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept. Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth , where thou feedest , where thou makest thy flock to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?  If thou know not, O thou fairest among women, go thy way forth by the footsteps of the flock, and feed thy kids beside the shepherds ' tents. I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in Pharaoh's chariots.  Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.  We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver.  While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof.  A bundle of myrrh is my wellbeloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.  My beloved is unto me as a cluster of camphire in the vineyards of Engedi.  Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.  Behold, thou art fair, my beloved, yea, pleasant: also our bed is green.  The beams of our house are cedar, and our rafters  of fir.

    I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.  As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.  As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight , and his fruit was sweet to my taste.  He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love.  Stay me with flagons, comfort me with apples: for I am sick of love.  His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.  I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up , nor awake my love, till he please.  The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.  My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.  My beloved spake , and said unto me, Rise up , my love, my fair one, and come away.  For, lo, the winter is past , the rain is over and gone;  The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come , and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;  The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise , my love, my fair one, and come away.  O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.  Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.  My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies.  Until the day break , and the shadows flee away , turn , my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether.

    By night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loveth: I sought him, but I found him not.  I will rise now, and go about the city in the streets, and in the broad ways I will seek him whom my soul loveth: I sought him, but I found him not.  The watchmen that go about the city found me: to whom I said, Saw ye him whom my soul loveth?  It was but a little that I passed from them, but I found him whom my soul loveth: I held him, and would not let him go , until I had brought him into my mother's house, and into the chamber of her that conceived me.  I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up , nor awake my love, till he please.  Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant?  Behold his bed, which is Solomon's; threescore valiant men are about it, of the valiant of Israel.  They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night.  King Solomon made himself a chariot of the wood of Lebanon.  He made the pillars thereof of silver, the bottom thereof of gold, the covering of it of purple, the midst thereof being paved with love, for the daughters of Jerusalem.  Go forth , O ye daughters of Zion, and behold king Solomon with the crown wherewith his mother crowned him in the day of his espousals, and in the day of the gladness of his heart.

    Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.  Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep that are even shorn , which came up from the washing; whereof every one bear twins , and none is barren among them.  Thy lips are like a thread of scarlet, and thy speech is comely: thy temples are like a piece of a pomegranate within thy locks.  Thy neck is like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields of mighty men.  Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies.  Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, I will get me to the mountain of myrrh, and to the hill of frankincense.  Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.  Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions' dens, from the mountains of the leopards.  Thou hast ravished my heart , my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.  How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!  Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.  A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up , a fountain sealed.  Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,  Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:  A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.  Awake , O north wind; and come , thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out . Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.

    I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat , O friends; drink , yea, drink abundantly , O beloved.  I sleep, but my heart waketh : it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh , saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.  I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them?  My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.   I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.  I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone : my soul failed when he spake : I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer .  The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.  I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if ye find my beloved, that ye tell him, that I am sick of love.  What is thy beloved more than another beloved, O thou fairest among women? what is thy beloved more than another beloved, that thou dost so charge us?  My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.  His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.  His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set.  His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh.  His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.  His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.  His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

    Whither is thy beloved gone , O thou fairest among women? whither is thy beloved turned aside ? that we may seek him with thee.  My beloved is gone down into his garden, to the beds of spices, to feed in the gardens, and to gather lilies.  I am my beloved's, and my beloved is mine: he feedeth among the lilies.  Thou art beautiful, O my love, as Tirzah, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an army with banners.  Turn away thine eyes from me, for they have overcome me: thy hair is as a flock of goats that appear from Gilead.  Thy teeth are as a flock of sheep which go up from the washing, whereof every one beareth twins , and there is not one barren among them.  As a piece of a pomegranate are thy temples within thy locks.  There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.  My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.  Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?  I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded.  Or ever I was aware , my soul made me like the chariots of Amminadib.  Return , return , O Shulamite; return , return , that we may look upon thee. What will ye see in the Shulamite? As it were the company of two armies.

    How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.  Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.  Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.  Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.  Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.  How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!  This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.  I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;  And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.  I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.  Come , my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.  Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish , whether the tender grape appear , and the pomegranates bud forth : there will I give thee my loves.  The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

    O that thou wert as my brother, that sucked the breasts of my mother! when I should find thee without, I would kiss thee; yea, I should not be despised.  I would lead thee, and bring thee into my mother's house, who would instruct me: I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate.  His left hand should be under my head, and his right hand should embrace me.  I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, that ye stir not up , nor awake my love, until he please.  Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved? I raised thee up under the apple tree: there thy mother brought thee forth: there she brought thee forth that bare thee.  Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.  Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned.  We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for?  If she be a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she be a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar.  I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour.  Solomon had a vineyard at Baalhamon; he let out the vineyard unto keepers ; every one for the fruit thereof was to bring a thousand pieces of silver.  My vineyard, which is mine, is before me: thou, O Solomon, must have a thousand, and those that keep the fruit thereof two hundred.  Thou that dwellest in the gardens, the companions hearken to thy voice: cause me to hear it.  Make haste , my beloved, and be thou like to a roe or to a young hart upon the mountains of spices.

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither ; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish .

    Why do the heathen rage , and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder , and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh : the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed , ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry , and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

    LORD, how are they increased that trouble me! many are they that rise up against me. Many there be which say of my soul, There is no help for him in God. Selah. But thou, O LORD, art a shield for me; my glory, and the lifter up of mine head. I cried unto the LORD with my voice, and he heard me out of his holy hill. I laid me down and slept ; I awaked ; for the LORD sustained me. I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people, that have set themselves against me round about. Arise , O LORD; save me, O my God: for thou hast smitten all mine enemies upon the cheek bone; thou hast broken the teeth of the ungodly. Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people.

    Hear me when I call , O God of my righteousness: thou hast enlarged me when I was in distress; have mercy upon me, and hear my prayer. O ye sons of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? how long will ye love vanity, and seek after leasing? Selah. But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him. Stand in awe , and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still . Selah. Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD. There be many that say , Who will shew us any good? LORD, lift thou up the light of thy countenance upon us. Thou hast put gladness in my heart, more than in the time that their corn and their wine increased . I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.

    Give ear to my words, O LORD, consider my meditation. Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray. My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up. For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man. But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple. Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies ; make thy way straight before my face. For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue. Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee. But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy , because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee. For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as with a shield.

    O LORD, rebuke me not in thine anger, neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure. Have mercy upon me, O LORD; for I am weak: O LORD, heal me; for my bones are vexed. My soul is also sore vexed : but thou, O LORD, how long? Return , O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake. For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks ? I am weary with my groaning; all the night make I my bed to swim ; I water my couch with my tears. Mine eye is consumed because of grief; it waxeth old because of all mine enemies. Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity; for the LORD hath heard the voice of my weeping. The LORD hath heard my supplication; the LORD will receive my prayer. Let all mine enemies be ashamed and sore vexed: let them return and be ashamed suddenly.

    O LORD my God, in thee do I put my trust : save me from all them that persecute me, and deliver me: Lest he tear my soul like a lion, rending it in pieces, while there is none to deliver. O LORD my God, if I have done this; if there be iniquity in my hands; If I have rewarded evil unto him that was at peace with me; (yea, I have delivered him that without cause is mine enemy :) Let the enemy persecute my soul, and take it; yea, let him tread down my life upon the earth, and lay mine honour in the dust. Selah. Arise , O LORD, in thine anger, lift up thyself because of the rage of mine enemies : and awake for me to the judgment that thou hast commanded. So shall the congregation of the people compass thee about: for their sakes therefore return thou on high. The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me. Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end ; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins. My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart. God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors. Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate. I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.

    O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!

    I will praise thee, O LORD, with my whole heart; I will shew forth all thy marvellous works. I will be glad and rejoice in thee: I will sing praise to thy name, O thou most High. When mine enemies are turned back, they shall fall and perish at thy presence. For thou hast maintained my right and my cause; thou satest in the throne judging right. Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever. O thou enemy , destructions are come to a perpetual end : and thou hast destroyed cities ; their memorial is perished with them. But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment. And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness. The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble. And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee. Sing praises to the LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings. When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. Have mercy upon me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, thou that liftest me up from the gates of death: That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the daughter of Zion: I will rejoice in thy salvation. The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made : in the net which they hid is their own foot taken. The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth : the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. For the needy shall not alway be forgotten: the expectation of the poor shall not perish for ever. Arise , O LORD; let not man prevail: let the heathen be judged in thy sight. Put them in fear , O LORD: that the nations may know themselves to be but men.  

    Why standest thou afar off, O LORD? why hidest thou thyself in times of trouble? The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined. For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous , whom the LORD abhorreth. The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts. His ways are always grievous ; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them. He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity. His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity. He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor. He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net. He croucheth , and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones. He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten : he hideth his face; he will never see it. Arise, O LORD; O God, lift up thine hand: forget not the humble. Wherefore doth the wicked contemn God? he hath said in his heart, Thou wilt not require it. Thou hast seen it; for thou beholdest mischief and spite, to requite it with thy hand: the poor committeth himself unto thee; thou art the helper of the fatherless. Break thou the arm of the wicked and the evil man: seek out his wickedness till thou find none. The LORD is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land. LORD, thou hast heard the desire of the humble: thou wilt prepare their heart, thou wilt cause thine ear to hear: To judge the fatherless and the oppressed, that the man of the earth may no more oppress .

    In the LORD put I my trust : how say ye to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain? For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart. If the foundations be destroyed , what can the righteous do? The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try , the children of men. The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

    Help , LORD; for the godly man ceaseth ; for the faithful fail from among the children of men. They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak. The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: Who have said , With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise , saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted .

    How long wilt thou forget me, O LORD? for ever? how long wilt thou hide thy face from me? How long shall I take counsel in my soul, having sorrow in my heart daily? how long shall mine enemy be exalted over me? Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death; Lest mine enemy say , I have prevailed against him; and those that trouble me rejoice when I am moved. But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation. I will sing unto the LORD, because he hath dealt bountifully with me.

    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt , they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand , and seek God. They are all gone aside , they are all together become filthy : there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD. There were they in great fear : for God is in the generation of the righteous. Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge. Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice , and Israel shall be glad .

    LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart. He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbor. In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not. He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved .

    Preserve me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust. O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD, Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee; But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight. Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer , nor take up their names into my lips. The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup: thou maintainest my lot. The lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places; yea, I have a goodly heritage. I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons. I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. Therefore my heart is glad , and my glory rejoiceth : my flesh also shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.

    Hear the right, O LORD, attend unto my cry, give ear unto my prayer, that goeth not out of feigned lips. Let my sentence come forth from thy presence; let thine eyes behold the things that are equal. Thou hast proved mine heart; thou hast visited me in the night; thou hast tried me, and shalt find nothing; I am purposed that my mouth shall not transgress. Concerning the works of men, by the word of thy lips I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer. Hold up my goings in thy paths, that my footsteps slip not. I have called upon thee, for thou wilt hear me, O God: incline thine ear unto me, and hear my speech. Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them. Keep me as the apple of the eye , hide me under the shadow of thy wings, From the wicked that oppress me, from my deadly enemies , who compass me about. They are inclosed in their own fat: with their mouth they speak proudly. They have now compassed us in our steps: they have set their eyes bowing down to the earth; Like as a lion that is greedy of his prey, and as it were a young lion lurking in secret places. Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword: From men which are thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes. As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

    I will love thee, O LORD, my strength. The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust ; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower. I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies. The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid. The sorrows of hell compassed me about : the snares of death prevented me. In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears. Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth. There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured : coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down : and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly : yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies. At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed , hail stones and coals of fire. The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire. Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them. Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils. He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters. He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me. They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay. He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me. The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me. For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God. For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me. I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity. Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.

    With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful ; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright ; With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure ; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.  For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks. For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness. For by thee I have run through a troop; and by my God have I leaped over a wall. As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him. For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God? It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect. He maketh my feet like hinds' feet, and setteth me upon my high places. He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms. Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath holden me up , and thy gentleness hath made me great. Thou hast enlarged my steps under me, that my feet did not slip. I have pursued mine enemies , and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed. I have wounded them that they were not able to rise : they are fallen under my feet. For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me. Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies ; that I might destroy them that hate me. They cried , but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not. Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets. Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me. As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me: the strangers shall submit themselves unto me. The strangers shall fade away, and be afraid out of their close places. The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted. It is God that avengeth me, and subdueth the people under me. He delivereth me from mine enemies : yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man. Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name. Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and sheweth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.

    The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure , making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned : and in keeping of them there is great reward. Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright , and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer .

    The LORD hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee; Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion; Remember all thy offerings, and accept thy burnt sacrifice; Selah. Grant thee according to thine own heart, and fulfil all thy counsel. We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: the LORD fulfil all thy petitions. Now know I that the LORD saveth his anointed; he will hear him from his holy heaven with the saving strength of his right hand. Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God. They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen , and stand upright. Save, LORD: let the king hear us when we call .

    The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice! Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah. For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head. He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever. His glory is great in thy salvation: honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him. For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance. For the king trusteth in the LORD, and through the mercy of the most High he shall not be moved. Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee. Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them. Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men. For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, which they are not able to perform. Therefore shalt thou make them turn their back, when thou shalt make ready thine arrows upon thy strings against the face of them. Be thou exalted, LORD, in thine own strength: so will we sing and praise thy power.

    My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent. But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them. They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded. But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. All they that see me laugh me to scorn : they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts. I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly. Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help. Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

    My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns. I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel. For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard. My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him. The meek shall eat and be satisfied : they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship : all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. They shall come , and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born , that he hath done this.

    The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever .

    The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods. Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place? He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation. This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah. Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up , ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up , ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory.

    Unto thee, O LORD, do I lift up my soul. O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed , let not mine enemies triumph over me. Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause. Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths. Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day. Remember, O LORD, thy tender mercies and thy lovingkindnesses; for they have been ever of old. Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD. Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way. The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way. All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies. For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great. What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose. His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth. The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant. Mine eyes are ever toward the LORD; for he shall pluck my feet out of the net. Turn thee unto me, and have mercy upon me; for I am desolate and afflicted. The troubles of my heart are enlarged : O bring thou me out of my distresses. Look upon mine affliction and my pain; and forgive all my sins. Consider mine enemies ; for they are many ; and they hate me with cruel hatred. O keep my soul, and deliver me: let me not be ashamed; for I put my trust in thee. Let integrity and uprightness preserve me; for I wait on thee. Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles.

    Judge me, O LORD; for I have walked in mine integrity: I have trusted also in the LORD; therefore I shall not slide. Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart. For thy lovingkindness is before mine eyes: and I have walked in thy truth. I have not sat with vain persons, neither will I go in with dissemblers. I have hated the congregation of evil doers ; and will not sit with the wicked. I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O LORD: That I may publish with the voice of thanksgiving, and tell of all thy wondrous works. LORD, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth. Gather not my soul with sinners, nor my life with bloody men: In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes. But as for me, I will walk in mine integrity: redeem me, and be merciful unto me. My foot standeth in an even place: in the congregations will I bless the LORD.

    The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? When the wicked , even mine enemies and my foes , came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell. Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear : though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident. One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple. For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock. 6 And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing , yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD. Hear , O LORD, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me. When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek. Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation. When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up. Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies. Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty. I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living. Wait on the LORD: be of good courage , and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait , I say, on the LORD.

    Unto thee will I cry , O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit. Hear the voice of my supplications, when I cry unto thee, when I lift up my hands toward thy holy oracle. Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts. Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert. Because they regard not the works of the LORD, nor the operation of his hands, he shall destroy them, and not build them up. Blessed be the LORD, because he hath heard the voice of my supplications. The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped : therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth ; and with my song will I praise him. The LORD is their strength, and he is the saving strength of his anointed. Save thy people, and bless thine inheritance: feed them also, and lift them up for ever.

    Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty , give unto the LORD glory and strength. Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness. The voice of the LORD is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth : the LORD is upon many waters. The voice of the LORD is powerful; the voice of the LORD is full of majesty. The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon. He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn. The voice of the LORD divideth the flames of fire. The voice of the LORD shaketh the wilderness; the LORD shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh. The voice of the LORD maketh the hinds to calve , and discovereth the forests: and in his temple doth every one speak of his glory. The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD sitteth King for ever. The LORD will give strength unto his people; the LORD will bless his people with peace.

    I will extol thee, O LORD; for thou hast lifted me up , and hast not made my foes to rejoice over me. O LORD my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me. O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive , that I should not go down to the pit. Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness. For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning. And in my prosperity I said , I shall never be moved. LORD, by thy favour thou hast made my mountain to stand strong: thou didst hide thy face, and I was troubled. I cried to thee, O LORD; and unto the LORD I made supplication. What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth? Hear, O LORD, and have mercy upon me: LORD, be thou my helper. Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness; To the end that my glory may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks unto thee for ever.
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    In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust ; let me never be ashamed : deliver me in thy righteousness. Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be thou my strong rock, for an house of defence to save me. For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me. Pull me out of the net that they have laid privily for me: for thou art my strength. Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth. I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD. I will be glad and rejoice in thy mercy: for thou hast considered my trouble; thou hast known my soul in adversities; And hast not shut me up into the hand of the enemy : thou hast set my feet in a large room. Have mercy upon me, O LORD, for I am in trouble : mine eye is consumed with grief, yea, my soul and my belly. For my life is spent with grief, and my years with sighing: my strength faileth because of mine iniquity, and my bones are consumed. I was a reproach among all mine enemies , but especially among my neighbours, and a fear to mine acquaintance : they that did see me without fled from me. I am forgotten as a dead man out of mind: I am like a broken vessel. For I have heard the slander of many: fear was on every side: while they took counsel together against me, they devised to take away my life. But I trusted in thee, O LORD: I said , Thou art my God. My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies , and from them that persecute me. Make thy face to shine upon thy servant: save me for thy mercies' sake. Let me not be ashamed , O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed , and let them be silent in the grave. Let the lying lips be put to silence ; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous. Oh how great is thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; which thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men! Thou shalt hide them in the secret of thy presence from the pride of man: thou shalt keep them secretly in a pavilion from the strife of tongues. Blessed be the LORD: for he hath shewed me his marvellous kindness in a strong city. For I said in my haste , I am cut off from before thine eyes: nevertheless thou heardest the voice of my supplications when I cried unto thee. O love the LORD, all ye his saints: for the LORD preserveth the faithful , and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer. Be of good courage , and he shall strengthen your heart, all ye that hope in the LORD.

    Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven , whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. When I kept silence , my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long. For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid . I said , I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found : surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him. Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah. I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go : I will guide thee with mine eye. Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding : whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee. Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about. Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice , ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.

    Rejoice in the LORD, O ye righteous: for praise is comely for the upright. Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. By the word of the LORD were the heavens made ; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. For he spake , and it was done; he commanded , and it stood fast. The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought : he maketh the devices of the people of none effect. The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations. Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance. The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men. From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth. He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works. There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength. An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength. Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine. Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield. For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name. Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.

    I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad. O magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt his name together. I sought the LORD, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. They looked unto him, and were lightened : and their faces were not ashamed. This poor man cried , and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them. O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him. The young lions do lack , and suffer hunger : but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good thing. Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD. What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry , and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all. He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate. The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.

    Plead my cause, O LORD, with them that strive with me: fight against them that fight against me. Take hold of shield and buckler, and stand up for mine help. Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation. Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt. Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them. Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them. For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul. Let destruction come upon him at unawares ; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall. And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation. All my bones shall say, LORD, who is like unto thee, which deliverest the poor from him that is too strong for him, yea, the poor and the needy from him that spoileth him? False witnesses did rise up ; they laid to my charge things that I knew not. They rewarded me evil for good to the spoiling of my soul. But as for me, when they were sick , my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom. I behaved myself as though he had been my friend or brother: I bowed down heavily , as one that mourneth for his mother. But in mine adversity they rejoiced , and gathered themselves together : yea, the abjects gathered themselves together against me, and I knew it not; they did tear me, and ceased not: With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth. Lord, how long wilt thou look on? rescue my soul from their destructions, my darling from the lions. I will give thee thanks in the great congregation: I will praise thee among much people. Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. For they speak not peace: but they devise deceitful matters against them that are quiet in the land. Yea, they opened their mouth wide against me, and said , Aha, aha, our eye hath seen it. This thou hast seen , O LORD: keep not silence : O Lord, be not far from me. Stir up thyself, and awake to my judgment, even unto my cause, my God and my Lord. Judge me, O LORD my God, according to thy righteousness; and let them not rejoice over me. Let them not say in their hearts, Ah, so would we have it: let them not say, We have swallowed him up. Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me. Let them shout for joy , and be glad , that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified , which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant. And my tongue shall speak of thy righteousness and of thy praise all the day long.

    The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise , and to do good. He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil. Thy mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds. Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O LORD, thou preservest man and beast. How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings. They shall be abundantly satisfied with the fatness of thy house; and thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures. For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light. O continue thy lovingkindness unto them that know thee; and thy righteousness to the upright in heart. Let not the foot of pride come against me, and let not the hand of the wicked remove me. There are the workers of iniquity fallen: they are cast down , and shall not be able to rise .

    Fret not thyself because of evildoers , neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed. Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass. And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday. Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil. For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming. The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation. Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken. A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked. For the arms of the wicked shall be broken : but the LORD upholdeth the righteous. The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever. They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied. But the wicked shall perish , and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume ; into smoke shall they consume away. The wicked borroweth , and payeth not again : but the righteous sheweth mercy , and giveth. For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off. The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way. Though he fall , he shall not be utterly cast down : for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand. I have been young, and now am old ; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken , nor his seed begging bread. He is ever merciful , and lendeth ; and his seed is blessed. Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore. For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever. The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him. The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged. Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off , thou shalt see it. I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree. Yet he passed away , and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found. Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace. But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off. But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble. And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.

    O LORD, rebuke me not in thy wrath: neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure. For thine arrows stick fast in me, and thy hand presseth me sore. There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin. For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me. My wounds stink and are corrupt because of my foolishness. I am troubled ; I am bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long. For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease: and there is no soundness in my flesh. I am feeble and sore broken : I have roared by reason of the disquietness of my heart. Lord, all my desire is before thee; and my groaning is not hid from thee. My heart panteth , my strength faileth me: as for the light of mine eyes, it also is gone from me. My lovers and my friends stand aloof from my sore; and my kinsmen stand afar off. They also that seek after my life lay snares for me: and they that seek my hurt speak mischievous things, and imagine deceits all the day long. But I, as a deaf man, heard not; and I was as a dumb man that openeth not his mouth. Thus I was as a man that heareth not, and in whose mouth are no reproofs. For in thee, O LORD, do I hope : thou wilt hear , O Lord my God. For I said , Hear me, lest otherwise they should rejoice over me: when my foot slippeth , they magnify themselves against me. For I am ready to halt, and my sorrow is continually before me. For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin. But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong : and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied. They also that render evil for good are mine adversaries ; because I follow the thing that good is. Forsake me not, O LORD: O my God, be not far from me. Make haste to help me, O Lord my salvation.

    I said , I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me. I was dumb with silence, I held my peace , even from good; and my sorrow was stirred. My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned : then spake I with my tongue, LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am. Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Surely every man walketh in a vain shew: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them. And now, Lord, what wait I for? my hope is in thee. Deliver me from all my transgressions: make me not the reproach of the foolish. I was dumb , I opened not my mouth; because thou didst it. Remove thy stroke away from me: I am consumed by the blow of thine hand. When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity, thou makest his beauty to consume away like a moth: surely every man is vanity. Hear my prayer, O LORD, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a stranger with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were. O spare me, that I may recover strength , before I go hence , and be no more.

    I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear , and shall trust in the LORD. Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies. Many, O LORD my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done , and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered. Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire ; mine ears hast thou opened : burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Then said I, Lo, I come : in the volume of the book it is written of me, I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest. I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation. Withhold not thou thy tender mercies from me, O LORD: let thy lovingkindness and thy truth continually preserve me. For innumerable evils have compassed me about: mine iniquities have taken hold upon me, so that I am not able to look up ; they are more than the hairs of mine head: therefore my heart faileth me. Be pleased , O LORD, to deliver me: O LORD, make haste to help me. Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil. Let them be desolate for a reward of their shame that say unto me, Aha, aha. Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: let such as love thy salvation say continually, The LORD be magnified. But I am poor and needy; yet the Lord thinketh upon me: thou art my help and my deliverer ; make no tarrying , O my God.

    Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. The LORD will preserve him, and keep him alive ; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies. The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness. I said , LORD, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee. Mine enemies speak evil of me, When shall he die , and his name perish? And if he come to see me, he speaketh vanity: his heart gathereth iniquity to itself; when he goeth abroad, he telleth it. All that hate me whisper together against me: against me do they devise my hurt. An evil disease, say they, cleaveth fast unto him: and now that he lieth he shall rise up no more. Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted , which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me. But thou, O LORD, be merciful unto me, and raise me up , that I may requite them. By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy doth not triumph over me. And as for me, thou upholdest me in mine integrity, and settest me before thy face for ever. Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.

    As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God? My tears have been my meat day and night, while they continually say unto me, Where is thy God? When I remember these things, I pour out my soul in me: for I had gone with the multitude, I went with them to the house of God, with the voice of joy and praise, with a multitude that kept holyday. Why art thou cast down , O my soul? and why art thou disquieted in me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him for the help of his countenance. O my God, my soul is cast down within me: therefore will I remember thee from the land of Jordan, and of the Hermonites, from the hill Mizar. Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of thy waterspouts: all thy waves and thy billows are gone over me. Yet the LORD will command his lovingkindness in the daytime, and in the night his song shall be with me, and my prayer unto the God of my life. I will say unto God my rock, Why hast thou forgotten me? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the enemy? As with a sword in my bones, mine enemies reproach me; while they say daily unto me, Where is thy God? Why art thou cast down , O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God.

    Judge me, O God, and plead my cause against an ungodly nation: O deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man. For thou art the God of my strength: why dost thou cast me off ? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the enemy? O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles. Then will I go unto the altar of God, unto God my exceeding joy: yea, upon the harp will I praise thee, O God my God. Why art thou cast down , O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God.

    We have heard with our ears, O God, our fathers have told us, what work thou didst in their days, in the times of old. How thou didst drive out the heathen with thy hand, and plantedst them; how thou didst afflict the people, and cast them out. For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them. Thou art my King, O God: command deliverances for Jacob. Through thee will we push down our enemies: through thy name will we tread them under that rise up against us. For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me. But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us. In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. But thou hast cast off , and put us to shame ; and goest not forth with our armies. Thou makest us to turn back from the enemy: and they which hate us spoil for themselves. Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen. Thou sellest thy people for nought, and dost not increase thy wealth by their price. Thou makest us a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and a derision to them that are round about us. Thou makest us a byword among the heathen, a shaking of the head among the people. My confusion is continually before me, and the shame of my face hath covered me, For the voice of him that reproacheth and blasphemeth ; by reason of the enemy and avenger. All this is come upon us; yet have we not forgotten thee, neither have we dealt falsely in thy covenant. Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way; Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death. If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; Shall not God search this out ? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart. Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter. Awake , why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise , cast us not off for ever. Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression? For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

    My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies ; whereby the people fall under thee. Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir. Hearken , O daughter, and consider , and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him. And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift; even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. The king's daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold. She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought : they shall enter into the king's palace. Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth. I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.

    God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear , though the earth be removed , and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled , though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High. God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved : God shall help her, and that right early. The heathen raged , the kingdoms were moved : he uttered his voice, the earth melted. The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Come , behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth. He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder ; he burneth the chariot in the fire. Be still , and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge.

    O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph. For the LORD most high is terrible ; he is a great King over all the earth. He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet. He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet. Sing praises to God, sing praises : sing praises unto our King, sing praises. For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. The princes of the people are gathered together , even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted .

    Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King. God is known in her palaces for a refuge. For, lo, the kings were assembled , they passed by together. They saw it, and so they marvelled ; they were troubled , and hasted away. Fear took hold upon them there, and pain, as of a woman in travail. Thou breakest the ships of Tarshish with an east wind. As we have heard , so have we seen in the city of the LORD of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever. We have thought of thy lovingkindness, O God, in the midst of thy temple. According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness. Let mount Zion rejoice , let the daughters of Judah be glad , because of thy judgments. Walk about Zion, and go round about her: tell the towers thereof. Mark ye well her bulwarks, consider her palaces; that ye may tell it to the generation following. For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death.

    Hear this, all ye people; give ear , all ye inhabitants of the world: Both low and high , rich and poor, together. My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding. I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp. Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: (For the redemption of their soul is precious , and it ceaseth for ever:) That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption. For he seeth that wise men die , likewise the fool and the brutish person perish , and leave their wealth to others. Their inward thought is, that their houses shall continue for ever, and their dwelling places to all generations; they call their lands after their own names. Nevertheless man being in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish. This their way is their folly: yet their posterity approve their sayings. Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling. But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Be not thou afraid when one is made rich , when the glory of his house is increased; For when he dieth he shall carry nothing away : his glory shall not descend after him. Though while he lived he blessed his soul: and men will praise thee, when thou doest well to thyself. He shall go to the generation of his fathers; they shall never see light. Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish .

    The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken , and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. Our God shall come , and shall not keep silence : a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. 6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Hear , O my people, and I will speak ; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. 12 If I were hungry , I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. 16 But unto the wicked God saith , What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? 17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. 18 When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers . 19 Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit. 20 Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son. 21 These things hast thou done , and I kept silence ; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. 22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces , and there be none to deliver . 23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

    Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. 2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. 3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. 4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned , and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest , and be clear when thou judgest . 5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. 6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. 7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean : wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. 8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice . 9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. 10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. 13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. 14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness. 15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. 16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise . 18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. 19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

    Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? the goodness of God endureth continually. 2 Thy tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully. 3 Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah. 4 Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue. 5 God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away , and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah. 6 The righteous also shall see , and fear , and shall laugh at him: 7 Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness. 8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever. 9 I will praise thee for ever, because thou hast done it: and I will wait on thy name; for it is good before thy saints.

    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. 2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand , that did seek God. 3 Every one of them is gone back : they are altogether become filthy ; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge ? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God. 5 There were they in great fear , where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame , because God hath despised them. 6 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice , and Israel shall be glad .

    Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me by thy strength. 2 Hear my prayer, O God; give ear to the words of my mouth. 3 For strangers are risen up against me, and oppressors seek after my soul: they have not set God before them. Selah. 4 Behold, God is mine helper : the Lord is with them that uphold my soul. 5 He shall reward evil unto mine enemies : cut them off in thy truth. 6 I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good. 7 For he hath delivered me out of all trouble: and mine eye hath seen his desire upon mine enemies .

    Give ear to my prayer, O God; and hide not thyself from my supplication. 2 Attend unto me, and hear me: I mourn in my complaint, and make a noise ; 3 Because of the voice of the enemy , because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me. 4 My heart is sore pained within me: and the terrors of death are fallen upon me. 5 Fearfulness and trembling are come upon me, and horror hath overwhelmed me. 6 And I said , Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away , and be at rest . 7 Lo, then would I wander far off , and remain in the wilderness. Selah. 8 I would hasten my escape from the windy storm and tempest. 9 Destroy , O Lord, and divide their tongues: for I have seen violence and strife in the city. 10 Day and night they go about it upon the walls thereof: mischief also and sorrow are in the midst of it. 11 Wickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her streets. 12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance . 14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company. 15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them. 16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me. 17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray , and cry aloud : and he shall hear my voice. 18 He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me. 19 God shall hear , and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God. 20 He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant. 21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords. 22 Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved . 23 But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; but I will trust in thee.

    Be merciful unto me, O God: for man would swallow me up ; he fighting daily oppresseth me. 2 Mine enemies would daily swallow me up: for they be many that fight against me, O thou most High. 3 What time I am afraid , I will trust in thee. 4 In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust ; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me. 5 Every day they wrest my words: all their thoughts are against me for evil. 6 They gather themselves together , they hide themselves, they mark my steps, when they wait for my soul. 7 Shall they escape by iniquity? in thine anger cast down the people, O God. 8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book? 9 When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know ; for God is for me. 10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word. 11 In God have I put my trust : I will not be afraid what man can do unto me. 12 Thy vows are upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee. 13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?

    Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge , until these calamities be overpast . 2 I will cry unto God most high; unto God that performeth all things for me. 3 He shall send from heaven, and save me from the reproach of him that would swallow me up . Selah. God shall send forth his mercy and his truth. 4 My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire , even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword. 5 Be thou exalted , O God, above the heavens; let thy glory be above all the earth. 6 They have prepared a net for my steps; my soul is bowed down : they have digged a pit before me, into the midst whereof they are fallen themselves. Selah. 7 My heart is fixed , O God, my heart is fixed : I will sing and give praise . 8 Awake up , my glory; awake , psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early. 9 I will praise thee, O Lord, among the people: I will sing unto thee among the nations. 10 For thy mercy is great unto the heavens, and thy truth unto the clouds. 11 Be thou exalted , O God, above the heavens: let thy glory be above all the earth.

    Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men? 2 Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth. 3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. 4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear; 5 Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers , charming never so wisely . 6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD. 7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually : when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces . 8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away : like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun. 9 Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind , both living, and in his wrath. 10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. 11 So that a man shall say , Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.

    Deliver me from mine enemies , O my God: defend me from them that rise up against me. 2 Deliver me from the workers of iniquity, and save me from bloody men. 3 For, lo, they lie in wait for my soul: the mighty are gathered against me; not for my transgression, nor for my sin, O LORD. 4 They run and prepare themselves without my fault: awake to help me, and behold . 5 Thou therefore, O LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel, awake to visit all the heathen: be not merciful to any wicked transgressors . Selah. 6 They return at evening: they make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city. 7 Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords are in their lips: for who, say they, doth hear ? 8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision . 9 Because of his strength will I wait upon thee: for God is my defence. 10 The God of my mercy shall prevent me: God shall let me see my desire upon mine enemies . 11 Slay them not, lest my people forget : scatter them by thy power; and bring them down , O Lord our shield. 12 For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips let them even be taken in their pride: and for cursing and lying which they speak . 13 Consume them in wrath, consume them, that they may not be: and let them know that God ruleth in Jacob unto the ends of the earth. Selah. 14 And at evening let them return ; and let them make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city. 15 Let them wander up and down for meat , and grudge if they be not satisfied . 16 But I will sing of thy power; yea, I will sing aloud of thy mercy in the morning: for thou hast been my defence and refuge in the day of my trouble. 17 Unto thee, O my strength, will I sing : for God is my defence, and the God of my mercy.

    O God, thou hast cast us off , thou hast scattered us, thou hast been displeased ; O turn thyself to us again . 2 Thou hast made the earth to tremble ; thou hast broken it: heal the breaches thereof; for it shaketh . 3 Thou hast shewed thy people hard things: thou hast made us to drink the wine of astonishment. 4 Thou hast given a banner to them that fear thee, that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah. 5 That thy beloved may be delivered ; save with thy right hand, and hear me. 6 God hath spoken in his holiness; I will rejoice , I will divide Shechem, and mete out the valley of Succoth. 7 Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim also is the strength of mine head; Judah is my lawgiver ; 8 Moab is my washpot ; over Edom will I cast out my shoe: Philistia, triumph thou because of me. 9 Who will bring me into the strong city? who will lead me into Edom? 10 Wilt not thou, O God, which hadst cast us off ? and thou, O God, which didst not go out with our armies? 11 Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man. 12 Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies.


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    Re: Bible-Thumping!!

    Post  Carol on Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:55 pm

    woah… impressive oxy.  Candle in the Wind 


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    Re: Bible-Thumping!!

    Post  Aquaries1111 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:58 am

    Oxy,

    Is there anything I can do for you? Asking questions is part of our nature isn't it? I wonder how many question marks you have delivered? The answers dear will not arrive on a steadfast horse all decked out in white with hooves a trotting toward you. Your bridle may not fit the sheen of the gallant. You may need to ride bare naked upon the horse of green toward a world without questions, only to find the answers. What would life be without questions? Don't you like the answers?

    Thank you for your Final Bible-Thumping. It's time to "Make a Stand", and as Joseph said "Let us see some Action".

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