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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:16 am

    B.B.Baghor wrote:Quote by Orthodoxymoron
    "Whatever the case may be -- I am NOT in any condition to do much of anything (especially in public). It's a constant war -- just to maintain my mediocrity"

    Wow, I'm truly amazed by your capacity, orthodoxymoron, to present huge amounts of info here and to find your statement (in this quote).
    To be honest, I can't even begin to grasp all that you try to convey in them, it's simply to much of a good thing!
    If I would read them, I'm afraid I would feel the same, exactly as you do!

    Hope you don't feel offended!
    Thank-you B.B. I'm not sure what I'm really trying to convey, if anything. This is probably an attempt to deal with why we don't seem to be in 'Heaven'. It's probably an attempt to understand why Christianity has seemed to fail so many of us -- and to attempt to grasp what might need to be done to make things 'OK' again. Thinking of the solar system as being one big business seems to make a lot of sense -- yet it poses a lot of unanswered questions. I seem to be proposing that Purgatory Incorporated morph into Paradise Incorporated -- but without knowing the whole inside-story -- it's probably irresponsible and futile to propose anything in this regard. And please know that I have withdrawn ALL of my ideas and proposals -- for a variety of reasons. Often, the Theology Game seems to be played like a Football Game!! "The Protestants fumble the question on the fifteen yard-line!! First-Down, Notre Dame!!" Theology never seems to involve a genuine search for truth. It's often very lawyer-like and mealy-mouthed!! Please remember that I am modeling ideas and personalities which do not necessarily reflect who I really am in real-life. This is a test. This is only a test. Please notice that the end-result of my madness has been a homeostasis or dynamic-equilibrium of support and attack regarding the powers that be -- and the way things are. Please remember too, that my background is SDA -- but I have not regularly attended services for a very long time -- so don't blame them for me. I am a product of a wide variety of influences (each of which would probably disown me)!! Here is a repetitive list which some of you might find enlightening:

    1. The Conflict of the Ages Series by Ellen G. White.
    2. The Books and Lectures of Joseph Farrell.
    3. The Books and Lectures of Ralph Ellis.
    4. The Books and Lectures of A. Graham Maxwell.
    5. The Books and Lectures of Desmond Ford.
    6. The Books and Lectures of Alden Thompson.

    The whole historical--philosophical--theological snake-pit is rather tricky and nasty -- especially when one adds science and science-fiction!! No matter how one puts things together -- it's always wrong in some way, shape, or form!! Liturgical-Conservatism and Theological-Liberalism is one attempted modality for managing the madness!! Anyway -- Good-Luck, Namaste, and Godspeed!!




    Here is another post-retread. Repetition. Repetition. Repetition...

    Someone once asked "Maybe somewhere in the Solar system they have a better constitution. Why not ask first?"

    Is anyone aware of a better constitution which has been in use for at least a couple of centuries? Can you provide a link? I highly suspect that alien races monitor this site...and possibly comment. I'm not trying to be arrogant. This is completely new territory to me. I'm simply exploring a distant and mythical land. Everything seems to be changing...and up for grabs. I'm sort of a rebel without a clue.

    I welcome all alternative constitutions which have a significant history, and widespread application...so as to be able to evaluate the effectiveness of the document in real world and real universe conditions. This invitation also applies to alternatives to the United Nations Charter...which the slightly modified United States Constitution is intended to replace.

    I'm simply trying to think in non-nationalistic, non-protectionistic, all-inclusive terms. Do we want a New World Order and Secret(or Open) Alien Rule of Earth? Some say this constitutes a Theocracy. Is this what we want? Can a Theocracy be anything but Tyrannical? Can a Tyranny be anything but Corrupt? Are there exceptions to the concept that Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely? My guess is that a Constitutional Alternative to a Universal Church would have to apply to the entire solar system...at least. I guess this would be an attempt to get the Secret Space Program and Deep Underground Military Bases (throughout the solar system?) under control...and to attempt to prevent a solar system wide Battle of Armageddon...which could potentially destroy most...if not all...life in the solar system. There seems to be evidence of very ancient and very catastophic battles in this solar system. I suspect some very bitter feelings and very bad blood among the various races...going back a long, long time. If true...this may be very difficult to overcome.

    This is all obviously hypothetical...and without insider information and/or governmental disclosure...would be impossible to prove. I'm just considering possibilities...and I recongnize the limitations of doing so.

    If we don't learn from history...we are doomed. I prefer a proven foundation...rather than an unproven foundation. The United States of America and the U.S. Constitution...were an attempt to escape the tyranny and persecution of Royalty and Theocracy. The object was to give the power to the people. Starting from scratch...at this point...would probably result in anarchy...which would probably result in tyranny. If malevolent human and alien tyrants were removed...and constitutional governance instituted...the corrupted and fearful followers would probably become good beings in a free society.

    I'm not sure that the Powers That Be in Orion and Draco (and elsewhere or elsewhen?) see it this way...but they would probably have to reluctantly, grudgingly, and possibly angrily...agree to such an arrangement...or it would be a non-starter. I don't think that these beings are necessarily evil...but I think that they have a huge amount of negative baggage. We might have to make this thing work...and in a few thousand(or million) years...they may decide to come on board as well. Just conjecture.

    Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom liberates the divine within the human (and within the reptilian and grey?) to reach unimaginable heights. The U.S. Constitution is a NOW document. Decisions regarding current issues are based on the best available information and thinking...NOW. The Power of NOW. A Theocracy does just the opposite. Especially a corrupt Theocracy. And by my definition, at least...a Theocracy is Always Corrupt. What do you think...Lucifer? Are you the kingpin...or are you caught in the middle? What's it going to take to make this work? I want your advice...but not your orders. And I won't bow down and worship you!

    This whole thread is just an experiment. It's as much about modifying my thinking...as it is about attempting to modify anyone elses. I especially liked the following suggestion:

    'Owing to the increased longevity of Beings in the United Worlds, Representatives should serve a One-time term of 10-years, and Senators should serve a One-time term of 20-years. By this, we also remove the costly and discordant "re-election campaigns." Those so elected may be subject to re-call by the Electorate for non-performance or malfeasants. All elections shall be by DIRECT VOTE of the Electorate by simple majority with no intervening Electoral college or similar.'

    If each region was internally under a local version of the solar system constitution...a continuity from local to solar system governance would be more seamless. The military and militia references in the Constitution...as is...would seem to take care of the military matter. To me...modifications are welcome...but pretty soon you can end up with a document which bears little resemblance to the original...is vastly inferior...and which no one can agree on. Then we're back in Tyranny Territory.

    If the electorate were electronically connected to the elected...and communicated constantly on all issues...the will of well informed and responsible beings...would more likely be instituted. Elections would be relatively cheap...if limited to internet campaigning and debating. One 10 year term for all offices sounds good to me. But again...I'd prefer to leave the original Constitution in as much of it's original form as possible. The original terms would probably work fine...and would provide for a more constant rotation of power. It seems that a good being becomes a bad being very quickly when they gain a little power and recognition. They are at their best when they first decide to seek office. It's all downhill from there...

    How about 5 year terms for the Reps...and 10 year terms for the Greys? Now the Reps are going to eat me. Please don't eat us. I hear that they have some really good Organic VeggieHuman at the Whole Foods in the Deep Underground Military Base Commissaries. We need to really have a serious conversation regarding abductions, human sacrifices, eating humans, etc. I hope that most of this is BS...but I'm afraid that it may be much worse than we have been told.

    Is the division of territories into States rather than Worlds (or even Countries) significant? I think it is. Numerous States provide for a systematic and orderly decentalization. There might be a thousand States throughout the Solar System. If each of these States had independent militias/armies/uforces...it would be very difficult to impose Tyranny. If a significant outside threat arose...these independent forces would undoubtedly unite to oppose the outside threat. An outer perimeter uforce would be financed by the United States of the Solar System...and would defend against any external invasion of the Solar System...but would not be used to crack down on member States.

    I'm going to attempt to stay as close as possible to the proposal in the first post. It may turn out to be a losing battle...but I'm going to give it a bloody go. Don't take it personally when I do this. I'm appreciative of all suggestions and observations. I guess I'm trying to be a Minimalist Fundamentalist.

    One person said "Great Idea, but there is probably already something like that for the whole galaxy."

    What if the whole universe is generally $crewed up? I used to think just the opposite...but now I don't know. I used to think that it was just us stupid humans on this miserable planet who were the ugly mole on the face of a beautiful and perfect universe...and that if you listened to the preacher and did what he told you to do...Jesus would come and save us...and the unbelieving masses would be destroyed by a 'loving' God...while us 'good' people flew off to live forever in Heaven. I don't think like this anymore. Hence...orthodoxymoron. I'm leaning toward a Star Wars scenario...where Humans and Reptilians are battling with each other to see who gets to be God and Master of the Universe. I'm quite confused about the Greys...as to whether they are Reptilian, Manufactured, or a separate race which is caught in between the Reps and Humans. In any case...it seems reasonable to conduct business properly in this part of the galaxy. Accomodating all races in a reasonable manner seems reasonable to me. But perhaps the other races are much more dangerous than I can imagine. I really don't know. Obama, the Pope, the Jesuits, the CIA, the NSA, etc...always forget to brief me!

    Meanwhile...I am toying with the idea of basing this civilization on the best form of government this world has seen in a long, long time. Including the entire solar system may be a mistake...but it's an idea which appeals to me presently...and so I'm going to run with it...until a Jesuit trips me...and I go flying. And I don't doubt that they are very capable of doing just that. Actually, I'm easy. I'm just sick of the murder and mayhem which has plagued this planet...going way, way back. I want the BS to stop. NOW.

    Another person said "I agree that the American Constitution has some great ideals and principles. The US seems to be the only country that formally recognizes that a citizen has absolute individual rights. That’s fantastic – even “cosmic”. But one big question is, how does that Constitution get so routinely abused and ignored and subverted in practice? (And indeed, all my own astral travelling and RVing suggests that that kind of subversion is unheard of on any other civilised planet -- with the exception of future versions of our planet, such as the P47s presumably are.) American readers probably have greater trouble viewing the American “matrix” objectively than do people from another country. (Sorry about that.) Obviously to most non-Americans, the American “matrix” has been manipulated so as to create a violent society. I know that Chomsky devoted half of one of his books to arguing and even proving that violence has always been one of the core central features of US society, from the beginning. It’s no coincidence that the crime rate in America is at least 12 times greater than in Western Europe. And that figure goes up to 16 or more times greater when it comes to crimes like murder. So another question is, how does one help people who live within such a violent “matrix” to detach from it, both individually and even as a society?"

    Christianity has ignored the Teachings of Jesus. America has often ignored it's Constitution. The United States is supposedly a Christian Nation. One Nation Under God. Think about these previous five sentences. What's wrong with this picture? The United States of America and it's Constitution are in the crosshairs...and slated for a controlled demolition. The United States and it's Constitution are at war with a powerful force which goes way back into ancient Babylon, Egypt, and Rome. Lucifer knows exactly what I am talking about...don't you Lucifer?

    Another commented "No offense, but I don't think that humanity needs a piece of paper or papers to co-exist in a new paradigm. We've seen what weight the Constitution holds in modern times (read: zero) and in order for a new document (or any document) to have meaning, it must be held to the highest regard by all and it must be respected or else, it is just a piece of paper."

    So...who has the ultimate authority in this world and solar system? Take a look at this discussion. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9368&highlight=orthodoxymoron&page=8 Minimalist paperwork which gives a legal foundation for minimalist government...prevents a theocracy, monarchy, or any other type of dictatorship from gaining a stronghold...and eventually taking over. Do you want to be more of a slave than you already are? Think about it.

    In a Constitution for the Solar System...should the term 'Physical Being' be used instead of simply 'Being'? What if aliens are demonic spirits manifesting as Reptilians and Greys? Or...if a person went out of their body...would they have TWO votes? If they were demonically possessed...would they have 20 votes? I'm leaning toward the idea that there are physical Reptilians, Greys, and Humans...who have souls which can exit their physical bodies. And further...that there are good and evil factions of Reptilians, Greys, and Humans. The question is...how do you create a dominance of good over evil...and an equilibrium of races...so that tyranny, enslavement, and extermination does not occur?

    I'm considering this thread to be a mental exercise...as much as anything. You may find the following paragraph to be quite bizarre...but I am trying to illustrate a topic which doesn't get discussed very often or very well. I doubt that Lucifer will read this thread...but one never knows. Check out the following link for a rather bizarre look at how Lucifer could possibly relate to God, Jesus, Aliens, The New World Order, The Kingdom of God, etc. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron I'm thinking that these two threads are extremely important. I'm probably getting it wrong...but I think that I am hot on the trail of something big. You may be the one to get it right...and really figure this thing out. Please consider both threads very, very carefully...read between the lines...and use your imagination. Good luck!

    Lucifer...you are the God of This World...right? Are you the God of This Solar System? Who has the ultimate authority over Earth? Who has the ultimate authority over the Solar System? Lucifer...what document would you turn all of your authority and power over to...which would be the epitome of Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and which would guarantee Responsible Freedom to all beings throughout the entire Solar System? Do the Teachings of Jesus have something to do with this question? Does the Constitution of the United States of America have something to do with this question? These are not moot points. They may be the most important points of all. Gaining our freedom is really a legal issue. This is all about law. Lucifer...please produce the document which...if agreed to...would secure the Responsible Freedom of Earth and possibly the Solar System...and allow you to retire from your post as The God of This World...and possibly as The God of This Solar System. Would the document in the first post of this thread accomplish this goal? I believe that you have stated 'If I can't have them...nobody can.' Fair enough. If the document in the first post of this thread was enacted...nobody would have them. We would have ourselves. Nobody would replace you. There would be no gods before us. We would rule ourselves with Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This is the end of the road...Lucifer. Let We the Beings of This Solar System go. The universe is watching. By the way...Lucifer...are you fond of asking 'Your point?'...or 'The point?'...and saying 'Wait awhile'? Just thought I'd ask.

    I'm beginning to think that we really deserve the New World Order. We really can't handle the freedom which a particular piece of paper guarantees. If this thread is a waste of time...there is no one forcing anyone to waste their time commenting on it.

    I guess I'm trying to create a new way of thinking for myself...and possibly for others...if there is merit in doing so. I have minimally changed the wording of the Constitution to make it come alive in the space-age. Honestly...I'm toying with making it a sort of minimalist religion...which really isn't a religion. There is no god at the head of this religion...only the divinity which exists within all beings. The consitutional process is supremely important...and there are no rules and regulations regarding how to live...and no promises of heaven...or threats of hell and damnation. I'm trying to get rid of nationalism and protectionism...and to out-do globalism...by applying the Constitution to the Solar System.

    Would benevolent beings throughout the Solar System have a problem with this? Would malevolent beings throughout the Solar System have a problem with this? If God exists behind the shadows of the universe...would there be a Divine objection to this approach? I dream of seeing something like this instituted...and having God show up one day...saying 'What took you so long? This is what I had in mind from the beginning...but you had to do it.' I see intelligent design...and I also see evolution. What I do not see...is an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, and all-present God...running this Solar System. I'm seeing God Wannabes...playing god...in a malevolent and dictatorial manner.

    The goal is the mutually beneficial interaction and method of decision-making for the benevolent beings of this Solar System. The door would always be open to malevolent beings...should they decide to play nice and to play fair. I don't care what non-human beings look like...or what our history with them has been. I simply want this Solar System to be properly run...in a non-corrupt and non-dictatorial manner...with no atrocities, enslavement, extermination, exploitation, etc, etc. I'm not expecting God...or anyone else...to do this for us. We need to be big boys and girls...and live as responsible citizens...in an interplanetary sense.

    What if I should focus exclusively on the human race...because there is so much confusion, deception, and disinformation regarding other races? What if...in this internet age...representatives are not necessary or desired? What if legislation was drafted by the people directly...and then debated on the internet for 1 year before voting on it? What if there was a yearly test...on current events and laws...which would qualify a person to be a knowledgeable and responsible voter? Instead of running for office...one would study for a test. Passing this test would qualify a person to be a voter. Should the United States of the Solar System simply consist of reasonable groupings of human beings throughout the Solar System?

    My mind is not made up. I'm simply trying to learn. My mind is becoming more and more confident regarding the concept of responsible freedom...but I am not absolutely sure how this should best be implemented. Instead of a national view, or a world view...I really like the idea of a Solar System View. Do you see where I am going with this thread? It's a different way of looking at things.

    I'm trying to take a break...but I just had to change the wording of the Constitution for the United States of the Solar System...to include only Human Beings. This is not anti-alien. It is a safeguard. Malevolent Alien Beings are a major problem and threat. We the People of the United States of the Solar System need to get our house in order...and then interact with all Alien Nations in an open yet cautious manner.

    I'm liking the document in the first post more and more...with the wording slightly modified to be inclusive of male and female...and to include regions throughout the Solar System which are occupied by Human Beings. Obviously...without inside information...I can't know who is where (and why)...throughout the Solar System. I'm really flying blind. I'm just trying to change my paradigm.

    Questions of who really owns and controls Earth, the Moon, and the rest of the Solar System need to be asked in a very forceful and compelling manner. Can those who are here (Human and Alien)...lose their lease...and be 86'd from the Solar System? The answer to this question could make the subject of ownership and control very complex and interesting. Get ready for a very rough ride. Fasten your seatbelts.

    I'd love to hear Michael Salla's views on this thread. I intend to research his views and the exopolitics subject. I hope all of you who read this...do some research on your own (that is key)...and share the results of your investigations. I don't mind being completely wrong. I just want truth and justice to emerge from the confusion.

    Any comments? Isn't governance the most important issue to consider? Is the Solar System really a unit...rather than a collection of separate and unrelated parts? Why not make this Solar System a haven and refuge for benevolent beings? Would benevolent beings be tough enough to defend the Solar System against invasions by malevolent beings? Could this be what the Secret Space Program and Deep Underground Military Bases are all about? Are turncoat reptilians and greys assisting humans in a quest to gain responsible freedom? I don't know. What do you think?

    If Alien Nations were to be included in The United States of the Solar System...they would have to be benevolent...wouldn't they? How would we conclusively determine if they were truly benevolent? A Trojan Horse situation would be very grave indeed. The current language of the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System is exclusively human...as a precaution against the unknown nature of the Alien Nations.

    Tell me what you think about having non-human beings participating in a constitutional representative republic.

    Do we need a Solar System View rather than a World View? In 3rd or 4th grade...I drew the Solar System over and over again...day after day. Why? Also...why does this thread generate no interest? It would seem to be a polarizing or even inflammatory subject...especially in light of the cr@p the U.S. has been involved in over the last few decades. The rest of the world is not amused. I am, however, promoting the Constitution...and not the U.S.

    Could someone please tell me who really owns and controls the Solar System? Is there a Solar System Constitution which presently exists (other than the one in the first post)? Are these important questions? Why? Why not?

    Are any moons or planets for sale? How much would Neptune pay for Uranus? This thread is about all aspects of the Solar System...but always with the governmental aspects clearly in mind. I call this Comprehensive Concentration. Which planets and moons have bases on them? Most of them? Do the inhabitants comment on Avalon? Hmmmm.

    I am assuming nothing. I would hope that Responsible Freedom is not a new, feared, or forbidden concept in a supposedly highly advanced universe. This exercise is not an attempt to lay down the law. It is an attempt to turn on the light. Let there be light. Will we see that things are good throughout the solar system...or will we be appalled? I desire the end of tyranny and secrecy. I desire simple non-theocratic godliness. Jesus said that the truth would set us free. What was he referring to? Could it be Responsibility in the light of full disclosure?

    Are humans really the new kids? Or...Are humans the abused kids? Is freedom a bad word in the universe? Is theocracy a good word in the universe? Is asking questions about the ownership and control of the solar system a bad thing? If Nazi's and Greys control the Moon...should we be OK with that? Did the galactic PTB not warn them off? Why was a legitimate U.S. space effort warned off? Does this say something about who presently runs the solar system? If Lucifer is the God of This World...should we be OK with that? Perhaps this exercise on this thread will result in an unexpected disclosure. Perhaps the benevolent beings throughout the universe have been waiting for us to engage in just such an exercise. Is thinking beyond Earth an exercise in futility?

    If advanced beings have moved beyond the primitive and obsolete concept of ownership...then they shouldn't mind if Earth humans own the solar system...should they? I'm half-joking...and half-serious. Recent Earth history is historical fiction...with emphasis on fiction...seemingly for the purpose of keeping us controlled, fearful, and stupid. The truth might have been a better approach.

    A responsible general public will guarantee the success of this concept. Every man, women, and child will be a member of the New Illuminati. The peons must move up...and the elites must move down. At some point...the two parties will meet...and will hopefully party together. Obviously...this process will involve much weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Namaste will be the word of the day. The divinity within all of humanity will make this work. The quoted text mostly sounds very good (with just a quick read through). What is the source? A silver standard is supposed to be superior to a gold standard...because gold is too scarce. How about a yttrium standard? Just kidding! Continuity of the best things in this world should be very carefully guarded. The worst things in this world should be very carefully discarded. It just seems logical to utilize the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and apply it to the entire Solar System. This would replace the Demonic Theocracy which seems to have Malevolent ET's at the Top of the Pyramid. I can't prove this...but it sure seems like that is the case. I'm open to alternatives...but I'm going to continue to test the proposal in the first post of this thread...at least until December 21, 2012.

    I just added a couple of videos...and the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' from www.humansovereignty.org. Please take a look...and tell me what you think...pro or con. Do not be alarmed. Go back to your homes (or your DUMB's). This is a test. This is only a test. Benevolents of all races should not fear. Malevolents of all races had better start packing their bags. Get ready for a Solar System Exorcism. The ectoplasm is going to be flowing in the streets.


    Consider the following thread in the context of this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10158 Will Presidential Disclosure only occur AFTER most of us have been exterminated and enslaved...when there is no longer any possibility of us gaining permanent human sovereignty and responsible freedom? This is probably the right time to discuss this. We may not be able to in the near future. It may be later than we think. Conduit Closing.

    Even if you don't agree with the proposal in the first post of this thread...it might be helpful to think through how you would run the Solar System. Would you desire a constitution? If so...what constitution do you prefer? Would you want to be a dictator? How should the Solar System be governed? Should an alien nation rule over us...and be our gods? What is your verdict?

    Is the first post of this thread unreasonable? If so...why so? Is everyone OK with the New World Order? If so...why so? Is the New World Order the New Paradigm? Is it really new? How this Solar System is governed is supremely important. Does anyone care? Can we learn to be happy slaves? Maybe it won't be so bad.

    I saw a bumpersticker that I liked. It read 'I DON'T WANT A SOLUTION! I JUST WANT TO COMPLAIN!'

    Why is the first post not a partial solution...at least? Should non-humans rule humans? Should humans rule non-humans? Should humans rule humans...and non-humans rule non-humans? Should we leave each other alone? I don't want any kind of a war. I just want this Solar System to be run in a rational and compassionate manner. I don't have a prefabricated heaven to look forward to...like I did when I was a lot younger. I expect to get recycled back into this madness...and so I am trying to help clean up this mess...so that I will have a hopefully better world to reincarnate back into. I'm not buying a lot of the ascension stuff...or going to a better place stuff. I think we have to stay here and make this thing work. We have to make our bed...and sleep in it. I'm still not absolutely certain about greys, reptilians, interdimensionals, Lucifer, etc. I'm playing along as if these beings are very real...but I don't really know. If non-human beings have a legitmate claim on Earth, the Moon, and the rest of the Solar Sytem...this seriously complicates things. I'm leaning toward humans ruling humans throughout the Solar System...and cautiously interacting with non-humans...without them being a part of human government. Obviously, I don't know the true state of affairs...so I cannot speak with any real certainty. Still...we should spend a lot of time and energy thinking about these issues and questions. Unfortunately...I'm seeing virtually no interest in this thread. I'm just testing an idea at this point...and fishing for ideas and input.

    I'm just trying to combine Namaste with Constitutional Responsible Freedom utilizing the U.S. Constitution in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. This would be a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state...with an organized decentralism...giving the power to the many...rather than to the few. If this sounds too simple...consider that if it's not simple...it will not work. I just want to plant the idea in at least a few people who are in a position to properly research and consider this...and to possibly begin to implement it...if it is deemed to be reasonable and workable. I'm not in a position to personally do this. People with much more talent, education, connections, drive, etc...would need to make this happen. A lot of humans and non-humans would have to sign-off on something like this for it to have even half a chance of working. I keep trying to convince Lucifer to work out the details...and then retire...but I don't think he or she spends much time on Avalon. But one never knows. This could not be forced...as that would defeat the whole purpose and concept.

    This is really a collection of other people's ideas and work. Secrecy, Compartmentalization, and Tyranny seem to be the three big enemies. I just finished rewatching Alex Collier's 1995 lecture...and he says so much which harmonizes with this thread.  I have a feeling that Bill Cooper and Alex Collier are going to be featured prominently in the history books of the future.

    Just an unrelated thought about elected officials. Perhaps they should have to earn Masters and Doctorate Degrees in Government (or equivalent)...and be genuinely qualified to participate. Perhaps they should have to take an extensive battery of tests...to determine their suitability to hold high office...rather than just getting the nod of the CFR or the Bilderberg Group.

    Speaking of the CFR. They have a great journal called 'Foreign Affairs'. I would like to see a rival publication which is patterned after 'Foreign Affairs'...but with an editorial bias which is in harmony with this thread (especiallly post #1). We need to beat the PTB at their own game. We need to invite ourselves to their party...instead of shouting at them from across the street.

    Just a plug for the videos in the first post (including the Cooper and Collier videos). I've been watching them in order...sort of like a movie...repeatedly. I'm sort of programming myself (better than being programmed by the PTB)! Repetition, repetition, repetition...and ACTION! (I got that line from W. Clement Stone)

    I found a really cool section of the 'Urantia Book' which sheds light on the principles and concepts discussed in this thread. I continue to be enamored with the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Without the qualifying words 'Constitutional' and 'Responsible'...'Freedom' in nothing more than 'Anarchy' and 'Rebellion'...which quickly degenerates into an even worse form of 'Tyranny' than the one which was so righteously objected to. Was this Lucifer's BIG mistake? PLEASE closely examine the following words:

    054:1 TRUE AND FALSE LIBERTY http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm

    54:1.1 Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer rebellion, none has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of immature evolutionary mortals to distinguish between true and false liberty.
    54:1.2 True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space. Enduring liberty is predicated on the reality of justice—intelligence, maturity, fraternity, and equity.
    54:1.3 Liberty is a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence when its motivation is unintelligent, unconditioned, and uncontrolled. True liberty is progressively related to reality and is ever regardful of social equity, cosmic fairness, universe fraternity, and divine obligations.
    54:1.4 Liberty is suicidal when divorced from material justice, intellectual fairness, social forbearance, moral duty, and spiritual values. Liberty is nonexistent apart from cosmic reality, and all personality reality is proportional to its divinity relationships.
    54:1.5 Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage.
    54:1.6 True liberty is the associate of genuine self-respect; false liberty is the consort of self-admiration. True liberty is the fruit of self-control; false liberty, the assumption of self-assertion. Self-control leads to altruistic service; self-admiration tends towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual as is willing to sacrifice righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust power over his fellow beings.
    54:1.7 Even wisdom is divine and safe only when it is cosmic in scope and spiritual in motivation.
    54:1.8 There is no error greater than that species of self-deception which leads intelligent beings to crave the exercise of power over other beings for the purpose of depriving these persons of their natural liberties. The golden rule of human fairness cries out against all such fraud, unfairness, selfishness, and unrighteousness. Only true and genuine liberty is compatible with the reign of love and the ministry of mercy.
    54:1.9 How dare the self-willed creature encroach upon the rights of his fellows in the name of personal liberty when the Supreme Rulers of the universe stand back in merciful respect for these prerogatives of will and potentials of personality! No being, in the exercise of his supposed personal liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators and duly respected by all their loyal associates, subordinates, and subjects.
    54:1.10 Evolutionary man may have to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere, but not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres. War is the heritage of early evolutionary man, but on worlds of normal advancing civilization physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute.


    Richard Hoagland claims that there are three competing factions within NASA...the Nazis, Masons, and the Magicians. Are these the three major competing factions on Earth...and in the Solar System? Are the Magicians really the Vatican? Are each of these factions doing business with the Reptilians and Greys? Or...are each of these factions really doing business FOR the Reptilians and Greys? Is there a significant and major human faction on Earth which is completely independent of the Reptilians and Greys? Is it really possible to do business in this Solar System without doing business with the Reptilians and Greys?

    Hear ye! Hear ye! Oye! Oye! The first post of this thread is an expression of intent of a faction who seeks Human Sovereignty. This faction may only contain one person at this point...but it will grow. I invite the Nazis, Masons, and the Vatican to join this faction. I invite the Reptilians and Greys to respect the sovereignty of the Human Race...and to interact with us in a non-invasive and non-dictatorial manner. Reptilians and Greys...you may find this new arrangement to ultimately be in your best interest. I seek the greater good for All Races...including the Reptilians and Greys. Things seem historically and presently to be highly irrational...and generally out of control. I call upon the Universal Powers That Be to facilitate such a development as is described in the first post of this thread.

    If this sort of thing is already in the works...so be it. Again...this thread is more of an exercise than anything...especially due to the fact that inside information is just that...inside information. :zip: I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is going on :shocked:...and then respond responsibly. There is obviously a learning curve.

    I'm still interested in comments regarding the ownership and governance of the solar system. I'm looking for both positive and negative comments. The first post seems as though it might be a workable and desirable goal...but it's just a sparkle in my eye at this point. It's an old idea...and a new idea...all in one. I really need more input in order to properly evaluate the editorial slant of this thread. Help!

    What are the theological implications and ramifications of 'The United States of the Solar System'? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Constructive Competition? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Positive Response Ability? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? To me...all of the above are interwoven into a very flexible yet durable fabric.

    I'm serious. If the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights were treated as the canonical texts of a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state...what would this mean to religious and spiritual people? I wish to enhance and strengthen an ethical spiritual life...which brings the people of the world together in a unified diversity...where war and hatred becomes obsolete.

    This is uncharted territory for me...and I'm not really sure how to proceed. Or perhaps I shouldn't proceed. What do you think?

    OK...is there a rival proposal to the one I have presented in the first thread? There seems to be no interest in my proposal...so what is your proposal? The water's warm. Come-on in...

    What did you think about Jordan Maxwell's recent Camelot interview? How did his pessemistic verdict relate to my desire to form a United States of the Solar System? I'm really a mixture of hope and despair. I don't see any magic solutions. I really think that for most of the people of the world...life will be difficult for a long, long time. I really do think that my proposed solution will eventually triumph...not because I'm promoting it...but because it's really a pre-existing 2+2=4 type of solution. Alex Collier indicated in 1995 that the Andromedans communicated with him that a one-world government should be based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. John F. Kennedy, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, Ron Paul, Bill Cooper, Alex Jones, et al have promoted the Constitution for a long, long time. I didn't draft the documents in the first post. I'm simply a repeater of great ideas. I don't know what else to do. I just feel like we are at the end of our rope...and that we need to positively reinforce that which is tried and true...and which actually works! I could be very wrong...so please give this thread some deep thought.

    At this point...I'd like to see the continued revealing of that which has been hidden. I hope that we will be forgiving of those who have done wrong...but that we will never forget...so as to not repeat the same mistakes over and over again. I still like the idea of some kind of amnesty for full disclosure, full cooperation, and reasonable restitution. I tend to think that everyone and everything is a mixture of good and evil...almost without exception. Most of us may have been as bad as the bad-guys if we had been in their shoes...maybe even worse.

    I'm feeling really close to the truth...yet really far away. I'm thinking that Sirius is at the center of everything...yet I'm not sure exactly how.

    Could it be that the God of This World is a reptilian-possessed androgynous black human alien from Sirius who heads Giza Intelligence, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases...and who is the real Black Pope? Could the Ark of the Covenant be the UFO which brought us here from Sirius along with technology obtained from Draconian-demons in exchange for allowing the Draconians to possess the elite-humans? Is this solar system really part of the Siran solar system? Is our sun really Sirius C? Is the ancient depiction of three suns really Sirius A, Sirius B, and Sirius C? Are the tall greys from Sirius, really just human beings? Did we all come from Sirius? Is there a stargate between this solar system and Sirius? Is all of the cr@p we have been in for millions of years really a Sirian civil war? Are we all different factions of Sirians? Would my pet project of The United States of the Solar System really have to apply to Sirius as well? Is Sirius the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? Is Sunday really Sun God Day? Is this sun really Sirius? Is the Roman Catholic Church all about Sirius? Are the Masons all about Sirius? Are the occultists all about Sirius? Is the layout of Washington D.C. all about Sirius? Is the Sirian Theocratic System really the Universal Church aka The Holy Roman Empire aka the New World Order?

    Are Sirius A, B, C...and all planets and moons in the Sirius Solar Sytem somehow linked to our Solar System? Are we all from Sirius? Are Draconian Demons the real problem? Did some of us make deals with the Dracs? Do we now have hell to pay? Are there various factions of Humans living throughout these solar systems? If the Dracs decided to leave us alone or were removed...and if the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights were applied to Sirius and our Solar System...would this solve most of the major problems? Are we dealing with a Human Civil War throughout Sirius and our Solar System? How does Giza Intelligence fit into all of this? The more I try to think about all of this...the less I seem to know.

    If the Secret Space Program, Deep Underground Military Bases, Leviton Trains, etc. were under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of a completely reformed and purified United Nations...and properly supervised by We the People...I wouldn't have a problem with them. But I'm sensing some very dark things connected with them presently.

    Is there hope for the Dracs...or are they way past the point of no return? Can they be reformed? Can they peacefully coexist with us under Constitutional Responsible Freedom? They are supposed to be very smart. Why would this be a problem to them? I don't get what's going on in this universe. It seems like a very bad nightmare. I get the feeling that things are bad everywhere...not just here.

    I have been making comments to Lucifer...but perhaps they need to be addressed to the Draconians. The Draconians are Lucifer's boss...right? What's it going to take Lord Draco? How deep are we into this New World Order Theocracy? Why does it have to be this way? What's the history of this madness? Can't we work something out which doesn't involve enslavement and extermination? Why can't we rule ourselves...and then deal with you in a reasonable manner. Why does everything seem to involve submission, obedience, worship, sacrifice, war, force, heirarchy, regimentation, deception, atrocity, etc, etc. Am I wrong...Lord Draco? What the hell is going on?

    Why isn't the governance of this solar system one of the most important issues? You may not agree with my proposed solution...so what is your solution? I'm not fishing for approval...just input...both positive and negative. It's not really my solution either. I'm just promoting pre-existing documents and videos in a unique manner. Why re-invent the wheel?

    Once more...Dracs...why can't this proposal be accepted by you? I can understand business deals...but I can't understand the indescribable cruelty, domination, and deception you have heaped upon the Human Race. Is this payback for past wars and atrocities, etc? If so...when is enough...enough? Why not leave us alone...and allow us to rule ourselves...and then cut business deals with us which don't involve the enslavement, extermination, and domination of the Human Race? If what I'm hearing about you is true...all of this cr@p is utterly insane. But everyone involved is supposed to be oh so very, very smart...so much smarter than us stupid mortal peons. Once again...what the hell is going on here? Speak to me Lord Draco!!! I don't bite...but perhaps you do!!!! I won't bite your head off...if you promise not to bite my head off!!!! Oh I forgot...you Dracs don't negotiate...you just dictate...right? The Universal Church is a Draconian Theocracy...right Lord Draco? Why can't you accept Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and then use your military might to make certain that tyranny never rears it's ugly head again...anywhere in the Universe? Wouldn't this ultimately be in everyone's best interest...including yours? The ball's in your court...Lord Draco.

    The Universe is Watching.

    Here is a link from another thread...posted by eleni...which is pertinent to this thread: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:_RZhCsbJQ58J:illuminati-news.com/Word/Betweenthedevilandtheincomingrock.doc+betweenthedevilandtheincomingrock.doc&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari I found this excerpt to be quite startling:

    "Governance, as opposed to security, appears to not have been a major issue from the ’79 meeting to the present. The emerging picture concerning governance painted by informant words indicates that the USG continued business as usual both vertically – from the executive apex of the presidency, through its federal departments and agencies, to the state governments in the union – and horizontally – the foreign policy apparatus of the USG continued functioning as expected through its State and Defense departments. What did change was the sense of constituent security – that is, USG had to formally contend with the presence of two Anunnaki camps in conflict with one another, and the additional requirement of dealing with both. The meaning of security also appears to have undergone a subtle, yet quite real metamorphosis. We will briefly discuss this transformation below.

    "It is evident from the literature (Good 1988, 1993; 1996, 1999; Maccabee 2000; Dolan 2000; Bryant 2002; Marrs 1998; Salla 2006; Corso 1997) that there is considerable belief based on evidence – some of questionable reliability, and some on verifiable validity – that the USG is involved in a massive cover up of anything from the existence of aliens, alien technologies, technology transfers to the private sector and more. While the focus of this essay is only on Anunnaki affairs and their impact on Earth governance, internal security, near Earth space security and Anunnaki inter-clan conflict, informants have also provided some information on contacts with “aliens” from outside the solar system (e.g., the Angleton tapes and the SERPA TS/SCI referred to by Collins and Doty 2005). This appears to reflect a reframing of how USG views the Anunnaki vis-ā-vis “the real aliens” (Six 2005). Our current hypothesis is that Anunnaki are currently viewed as “ancestors, not really aliens, but more like people who are like us, probably because they were here before the human race appeared on Earth through them” (Six 2005). This makes sense to us, since we were asked more than once to clarify our questions regarding “aliens” from the “incoming”. Is it that at present lead agencies regard this as a “local” event requiring a “local event response set”? It would seem so. This worldview on Anunnaki presence on Earth would also fit in with the seeming working definition of “those who are here and those from the incoming” as a “local problem” (Six 2005; Eight 2005).

    "How, then, has the issue of governance been affected by the double Anunnaki presence since the ’79 meeting? One of the seeming results of the formalized infrastructure specific to this situation is the insulation of the White House from the appearance of real access to UFO information. Two examples of this approach are the handling of the Rockefeller initiative during the Clinton administration (i.e., the involvement of assets said to be with CIA at the time and the White House deft use of UFO/alien humor) in deflecting one of the most delicate exopolitical crisis faced by President Clinton; the other is the style and tenor used by the Bush-43 administration: silence. The Anunnaki seem to have forced the USG into a space security structure responsive to two exopolitical constituencies. This is reflected “in the way things get handled,” said Informant Eight. “Looks like everything political is handled by the [National Space] Council and the Vice President as chair. This is where the two tracks originate. One umbrella for TS/SCIs handling the incoming, another umbrella for TS/SCI dealing with those here, and the twain shall never meet. NGA looks like it works with both tracks, but it really is controlled by the other czar for space security. This is one of the most secret functions, “cause from what I can tell, this person is the Executive Officer of the whole space security apparatus” (Eight 2005)."


    Once again...this thread is an experiment...to stimulate thought. To me...presently...it is a sort of a line in the sand. But it is not set in concrete. Besides...it's not up to me anyway. I'm just living in a make believe world of 'what if?' What if the governance of the Solar System were up to you? What would you decide to do?

    Solar System governance is a central issue...if not The Issue. It is very, very important. Please give the subject some very deep thought. I'm still wishing to have a conversation (pick a fight) regarding the governance of this solar system. Come on...let's go.

    I have a fascination regarding cathedrals and pipe-organs. The whole temple and worship concept goes way back into antiquity. Lucifer was supposedly the chief musician in 'heaven'. If 'heaven' is really the Pleiades...perhaps there were cathedrals and pipe organs in the Pleiades...and Lucifer brought the whole theological concept...including temples, cathedrals, pipe-organs, and worship...from the Pleiades to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth. As above...so below. I guess I'm seeing two rival 'gods' leading a civil war. Are the Annunaki and Dracs mercenary interdimensional warriors and laborers? Was the Pleiadian 'god' instrumental in the destruction of Atlantis? Did the Luciferian 'god' take the Atlantian civilization underground? Is this Giza Intelligence? Are there underground mansions, cathedrals, libraries, and museums...combined with military bases and stargate temples? Does Lucifer (or equivalent) possess the ability to end most life on Earth through 'Earth Changes'? Is alien technology really ancient Pleiadian technology? I'm beginning to think so. The exact composition and motivations of the various secret factions are obviously unknown. My guess is that there may be three major factions...two theocratic (one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian)...and one Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom faction.

    Hitler may very well have been a regular visitor to this underground or inner Earth realm. This may also be true for the Popes. I don't know. This is all just wild speculation. But studying the Nazi phenomenon may be the real window into what is going on.

    When Henry Kissenger was learning about the 'alien presence' he worked night and day...and wouldn't communicate with anyone...not even his wife. What he was learning must have been devastating. It couldn't have been good. Notice that certain key people, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski (both Jason Scholar study directors)...who presumably know the complete story...quietly direct the Presidents...administration after administration. The Presidents presumably do not know the complete story...with the possible exception of George H.W. Bush.

    Once again...I just want the secrecy to end...I want all hard core regressive beings (human and non-human) to leave this solar system...and I want the solar system to be based upon namaste constitutional responsible freedom. That should correct most of the major ills...regardless of who is presently running things or which et's are good or bad. If this works...other star systems might try doing this as well. Is this too much to ask?

    Can't we at least discuss various possibilites regarding the ownership and governance of this solar system? Aren't these two of the most important issues we could possibly consider? Who owns Solar System, Inc? Who is the CEO? Is the CEO a Nine Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian? Who are the Board of Directors? Who are the Shareholders?

    We 'pale faces' acted as though the Native Americans didn't own anything. Native Homeland Security has been doing a lousy job since 1492. Is the concept of private property a bad concept? Is working for just compensation a bad concept? Is communism a good concept? Should a lazy and stupid person live just as well as a hard working and wise person?

    My economic ideal is a stratified middle class...without extreme poverty or extreme wealth. If capitalism were truly responsible and well refereed...I think this would be the case. Corrupt and irresponsible capitalism is killing us. Baseball and football games have rules and referees. Why does capitalism always seem like the wild, wild west...dominated by outlaws? Where's the damn sheriff? Oh I forgot...he got paid-off.

    I'm liking the concept of the first post more and more...even if there are no aliens. I'm actually going to try to back away from the alien/spirit stuff for awhile...and concentrate on business and world news. I've started watching Bloomberg and BBC...and I'm reading the Wall Street Journal again. These are important sources to consider if we really want a non-corrupt, non-theocratic united world. I don't want to be alarmist or paranoid. I just want to be a productive part of a responsible, peaceful, and free humanity.

    I will continue to issue a challenge regarding determining who really owns the Solar System...who really is in charge...and regarding the best form of governance. These are very, very important issues...yet few seem to care.

    Jordan Maxwell may be right...judging from the participation on this thread. You know what I'm talking about.

    There is something attractive about the the names United Nations and New World Order. They seem to imply a world at peace, with liberty and justice for all! Sigh! But sometimes things are not what they seem. Sometimes reality is exactly the opposite of that which is advertised. The UN and NWO are often described as Not being in the best interest of the United States and the principles upon which our country was founded, namely Freedom and Responsibility. A centralized dictatorship is often hinted at, with the United States at the back of the bus!

    Allow me to suggest a True World Order (TWO). You guessed it, there are TWO components to the True World Order:

    1. The Constitution of the United States of America.

    2. The Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ.

    And again, you guessed it, there are TWO underlying unifying principles:

    1. Freedom.

    2. Responsibility.

    The True World Order would be, and should be already, implemented here in the United States, and by example, not by coercion, the TWO would theoretically spread throughout the whole world! TWO would be a humble-minimalist-decentralized world order rather than an arrogant-theocratic-centralized world order.

    Including the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ is not a violation of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution of the United States. Jesus does not call for the establishment of a literal traditional church. Just the opposite! Jesus calls for Christ-likeness, not ritual-traditional Churchianity. Respecting the words of Jesus, especially regarding the principles of freedom and responsibility, are a supreme safeguard against the establishment of any state church!

    This country and our world has yet to see the responsible implementation of the Constitution of the United States and the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus. They are TWO sides of the same gold coin, a gold standard, and allow for a responsible pluralism. Minimalist Government and Religion. What a concept! The idea is 2,000 years old. The idea is so old that it's new! TWO is #1! Go 2 4 Freedom!

    class...Class...CLASS...SHUDDUP! Thank-you!

    Question: When does church + state + people = a bad thing?
    Answer:

    Corrupt Centralized Coercive Government (Constitution Ignored!)
    + Corrupt Centralized Coercive Church (Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
    + Oppressed Irresponsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
    = HELL ON EARTH!

    Question: When does church + state + people = a good thing?
    Answer:

    Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Government (Constitution Followed!)
    + Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Church (Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
    + Free Responsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
    = HEAVEN ON EARTH!

    Do the Math!
    Any Questions?
    Lesson Learned?
    Class Dismissed!!

    I just want to add that I desire to retain the best of all religions and governmental systems...in an organized decentralism...which gives the power to the people...rather than to a central exalted committee, person, or god. I appreciate the efforts of leaders throughout all of universal history...who have tried to do the right thing. I'd just like to see Planet Earth make a logical and orderly transition into a responsible and free united world. I do not wish to demonize anyone...even if they have made terrible mistakes or have become incredibly corrupt. We just need to move on to bigger and better things. All of us are part of the problem. All of us are part of the solution.




    We Are The World
    Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Cindy Lauper, Steve Wonder, Bruce Springsteen


    There comes a time when we heed a certain call
    When the world must come together as one
    There are people dying
    And its time to lend a hand to life
    The greatest gift of all
    We cant go on pretending day by day
    That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
    We are all part of gods great big family
    And the truth, you know, love is all we need
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    Send them your heart
    So theyll know that someone cares
    And their lives will be stronger and free
    As God has shown us by turning stones to bread
    So we all must lend a helping hand
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    There's a choice were making
    Were saving our own livesl
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    When youre down and out, there seems no hope at all
    But if you just believe theres no way we can fall
    Well, well, well, well let us realize that a change can only come
    When we stand together as one
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    Alright let me hear ya
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a brighter day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me



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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:24 pm

    Remember that "Cowboy" Video?? Well, I had forgotten my own extended encounter with a Strange Cowboy Kind of Guy -- who claimed to be connected with the Military-Industrial Complex -- who had remote-viewing and pre-cognitive abilities -- and who talked with me about Orion and Mystery. Also, in Ghostbusters, there is a Dr. Venkman (Bill Murray) who drove a 1959 Cadillac. Interesting name -- and I rode for years in a 1959 Cadillac -- including through the gates of a television studio!!








    Once again -- I don't wish for this thread to be crammed down the throats of the general-public. This is for serious researchers who are already at least as far down the rabbit-hole as I am. This thread is not particularly therapeutic. Just creating it has made a mess out of me -- and I haven't really studied and applied my own thread!!! Don't worry about me doing anything stupid -- other than the sort of thing I've already done. I'll probably just repeatedly go through this entire thread -- for the rest of this incarnation. Repetition. Repetition. Repetition. Followed-Up with NO Action. I'm Harmless and Powerless...

    OK...I'm looking for rival proposals regarding Solar System Governance (SSG). How should this Solar System be run? Who should run it? Who presently owns and operates this Solar System? Are these important questions...or not?

    I'm going to keep requesting rival proposals for the governance of our Solar System. This is probably the most important issue facing us...yet there seems to be very little interest. It seems to me that we are sitting-ducks for enslavement and extermination. Are we incapable of ruling ourselves? This has been suggested to me on the internet...by someone who didn't sound like they were an Earth Human. Could they be right? Please consider and discuss this important issue...and prove them wrong. Could it be that we don't even want to rule ourselves? I hope the holes at the poles are well lubricated...

    An organized and rational forum for decision making (especially on the macro-level) will probably always be necessary. Perfected beings might not require government as we know it...but how many perfected beings have you seen walking around lately?

    Work, money, private-property, and commerce in general...are not bad things. Corruption and Irresponsibility are bad things. It is important to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Constructive Competition is a good thing. If you don't believe in competition...then just agree with everything I say...and stop competing!

    When you surrender to the divine will...make sure you are not surrendering and submitting to ET.

    I've always had a problem with competition. I'm really not very competitive. Add the mixed messages in Christianity regarding competition...and I've turned out to be one very confused dude. My attempted resolution is to dump most of Christianity...and to focus on the core principle of Responsible Freedom...which includes Constructive Competition and Positive Response Ability. I wish I had done this a long time ago.

    There are a lot of artists who work at jobs which pay their rent...and then they follow their passion...whether they get paid for it or not. I play my keyboard (set to pipe-organ) at least 45 minutes a day. I don't want to work for a church at this point (mostly because of church politics and theological issues)...so instead of playing a $300,000 pipe-organ...I get to play a $300 keyboard. I improvise...and play the way I want to play. I have listened to...taken lessons from...and talked to some of the best in the business...but I have the most fun doing it my way. I still want to hear Lucifer improvise at Saint Sulpice in Paris...after this Solar System mess gets cleaned up. I'm very serious about this. This isn't a sarcastic joke.

    Try watching Bloomberg or CNBC...and try reading the Wall Street Journal. Seriously. This can help to provide a better perspective on money and commerce. Starving artists should not be anti-capitalist. This could help to explain why they are starving. Seriously. But I do agree that when someone makes 3 billion dollars in one year in the market...that is obscene...especially if they don't pump most of this money into worthy charities.

    Regarding governance...I am pro-minimalism and anti-corruption...but a certain amount of organization is necessary to pull this off.

    I was reading 'Behold a Pale Horse' by Bill Cooper last night...and his comments regarding Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution hit me like a ton of bricks. The founders envisioned patriots in government...rather than traitors...and may have unwittingly provided an achilles heel for the enemies of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Article 6 reads as follows (with slight changes in wording to provide Solar System language):

    Article 6.

    "All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States of the Solar System under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States of the Solar System which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States of the Solar System, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States of the Solar System and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States of the Solar System."

    Is this why the United Nations Charter supercedes the United States Constitution? Is this why the 1954 Greada Treaty (between ET's and the U.S.) supercedes the U.S. Constitution? Is this why we have 'One Nation Under God' instead of 'One Nation Under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom'? Is the United States of America effectively an ET Human/Reptilian Theocracy...right now...even as I type?

    The deliberate circumvention of the Constitution should make treaties which supercede the Constitution...null and void (with extreme prejudice). However...I am presently removing the first two paragraphs of Article 6...as well as the 16th Amendemt from the Constitution for the United States of the Solar System. It pains me to do this...but evil humans and ET's have taken advantage of these loopholes...to fly a mothership through our airspace...and attempt to take over this land of the free...and home of the brave. Don't look now...but I think they've been successful...for a long, long time. We're just finding out about our servitude...and the terms of enslavement. And we thought we were free!

    The dogs have it exactly right. They love each other while they're playing and fighting with each other. Competition is game-playing...which is an important part of life. This is what gives life much of it's meaning. We have to keep testing ourselves and each other. This defines who we are.

    Tangentially...at the front of the U.S. Senate Chambers there is 'In God We Trust' (front and center) and fascist symbols (left and right). Is this representative of the hypothetical Zionist/Pleiadian/Theocratic/Sirius A and Teutonic Zionist/Aldebaran/Luciferian/Sirius B factions which battle for the heart and soul of this world? I'm thinking that both factions (if they exist) use Interdimensional Reptilians (if they exist)...and that Interdimensional Reptilians use both factions. Could all of the above be hopelessly out of control? Could this madness get everyone killed? I'm thinking that this is a very, very ancient and very, very bitter conflict...and that everyone involved has lots and lots of baggage...and that it could involve all of us. Perhaps it is just as well that we don't remember our past lives...which could go back millions or even billions of years.

    Why wouldn't the proposal in the first post be workable to all sides? Is the hatred too deep? What are the real issues? I think I know some of them...but not all of them. I'm sure each side has it's legitimate grievances and aspirations...but will there be anything left when one side is finally triumphantly victorious? I'm seeing an inappropriate rebellion (Luciferian Human/Reptilian?) against an inexcusable wrong (Human/Reptilian Theocracy?)...creating millions of years of horrors and atrocities (War in Heaven and Earth?). When is enough...enough?

    I don't trust the supernatural realm (internally or externally)...especially considering our current state of psychological/ethical/spiritual development...or lack thereof. I worry about entering a Reptilian Disneyland of the Wannabe Gods when delving into the inner and outer realms.

    Some people spank something other than their dog...to achieve resolution. This path to Nirvana could lead to spiritual blindness.

    Seriously...are there any supporters or opponents of the first post of this thread? The silence is deafening.

    We're beating this subject to death. We need to move on to issues of the Solar System. I'm very serious about this thread (especially the first post). Again...this is a 2+2=4 solution. It's hidden in plain sight. Please give it some thought...and imagine what the actual functioning of such an arrangement might be like. When you really, really think about it...it starts to get exciting. Call this 'masturbation of the mind' if you like...but once you see the light of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...you'll never go back. I have a dream...and it's not a dry idea.

    The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (with the minimal modifications in post #1) is really quite simple...and there are more than 200 years of usage to study. Plus...there is significant momentum and understanding of this form of government. The absence of a defining legal document which maximizes Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...is an invitation to tyranny and theocracy...with or without ascension. If we don't go the constitutional route as a Solar System...we will undoubtedly be governed by ET...like we already seem to be. Are the Interdimensional Reptilians the enforcers of the quarantine? Is the quarantine necessary because we are freedom-seekers? Will Earth Changes and the Seven Last Plagues be caused by 'God' to break our backs and wills...to make us ascend into a Human/Reptilian Theocracy...just like the good old days?

    I'm not trying to be difficult or stubborn. This is totally an experiment. I'm a rebel without a clue. Even if I'm lucky enough to be right...someone else would have to make this work. I have no connections or power...and I'm too $crewed-up to do much of anything with this concept. I'm basing a lot of this on unproven assumptions. I'm just trying to get people to think about this subject. Every U.S. citizen should be a Constitutional Scholar. Then the abuses would be minimized.

    The sad state of the U.S. is not the fault of the U.S. Constitution. If you drive your car without oil...and the engine seizes-up...don't blame the car manufacturer. Article 6 and the 16th Amendment are a puzzle to me. They seem to be the Achilles heels of the Constitution. We need to clean house...and completely eliminate the infiltration and subversion of our country. Everything WILL BE EXPOSED. The bright lights are being turned on...and the rats are running like hell.

    This is a new way of looking at life in general...and the Solar System in particular.

    "Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands." ~William Cooper, 11 - 24 - 89

    Someone asked "How many planets are there, exactly, in this solar system? Are there more orbiting on the other side of the sun, this star, at about the same distance from it, so we continuously don't know about their existence? Why should earthlings determine what the 'Constitution' of this star system ought to be? Or, is it better to be preemptive, take initiative! to have something in hand already? Is there already a greater 'Constitution' that encompasses other solar systems? Or does everyETone just make sh^t up, to the best of their collective ability and judgment?"

    Could these 'planets' possibly be mother ships? Earthlings simply need to become more responsible. If there is a pre-existing Solar System Constitution which is based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...I'd like to see it posted on this thread...without delay. I really think this general idea has legs...but maybe not in this thread. I feel a bit like a pesky insect which mostly annoys. I feel a bit like John the Baptist...preparing the way. This thread may contain fundamental flaws...but I think that the general idea is sound. But it's going to take some very competent people (Earth Humans and Extraterrestrial Humans) to make this thing work. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom applied to the entire Solar System. Hold that thought.

    I'm still interested in hearing support, criticism, and rival ideas. I'm taking this thing both lightly and seriously. This thread is mostly a combination of brainstorming and pre-existing ideas and documents. I'm trying to re-invent the wheel...without re-inventing the wheel.

    Exposing the infiltration and subversion of not only the United States...but the whole world...will clarify the issues. This is occurring presently. Promoting Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as a principle and concept will enable the Constitution to be used properly...and will minimize the corruption which is presently maximized. We've got to be a lot more informed and responsible to make this work. Otherwise...we will need to be treated like little children...by our 'saviors'. Article 6 and the 16th Amendment are seemingly problematic...and I have removed them from the 'Solar System Constitution'. Perhaps we need an additional amendment to clarify Article 6 and the 16th Amendment in our current U.S. Constitution...so that NOTHING is allowed to subvert or supersede the Constitution.

    There seems to be a small window of opportunity at this time to gain a legitimate and lasting freedom for humanity. Once again...this thread may be fatally flawed...but where are the rival constitutions and points of view? The following is a link to the final chapter of a free online book which is mostly about Dulce and Deep Underground Military Bases. It's a collection of materials...mostly from the 80's and 90's. I don't know if it is generally accurate or not...but it does present a chilling view of what might be down there. The truth is down there. This final chapter includes what might be benevolent alien advice for dealing with the malevolent aliens. Even if it is complete fantasy...I found myself transfixed by the possibilities. Please read it, and tell us what you think! http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter34.htm Here is the section which caught my eye:

    Valerian then quotes the following words of one Procyonese star-traveler by the name of KHYLA, who revealed the following to an un-named earth woman with whom he had established contact:

    "...Tyrants have been defeated many times on many planets, in countless solar systems and galaxies. How strange it is that as soon as one tyrant of any species is thought to be banished forever another always, but ALWAYS, takes his place. The idealistic revolutionaries who defeated King George III in America went on to oppress the Indians and Blacks. Many of those who fought most courageously against the Axis powers of fascism later became fascists themselves, as is demonstrated by the present plight of the Palestinians, Afghans, Chileans and Nicaraguans. Yes, you must try to regain control of your government, but if so much as one individual involved in this process has not first gained control of his or her selfhood, it will be for naught. One can never defeat or gain control of anything but oneself. Those destined to ouste the Rigelians must always keep track of the state of their selfhood, and learn first to defeat within themselves the essence of that which is tyranny. Through this type of awareness, they will know when to and when not to act. Through understanding a hostile entity to be but one of the ineffable's countless facades, it loses its power over you. Through the ability to wisely perceive a hostile entity, you may gain control of it. In overcoming the Rigelians, one must take great precautions not to become oneself the enemy."

    Or, as the old Chinese proverb says:

    "BEWARE WHEN FIGHTING A DRAGON THAT YOU DO NOT BECOME ONE!"

    Khyla, the Procyonese Intelligence agent, continues:

    "The only way to victory is through the strength of your consciousness. When genetic or other manipulations are being performed on abductees, the Grays expect them to cringe in fear, and derive a second-hand high from the intensity of the emotions expressed. If instead of cringing in fear, an abductee can put his or her mind elsewhere, focusing attention on dynamic protective imagery of a religious or mystical nature, it decreases the gratification that the Grays are getting from their second-hand high, and it confuses them. Center the consciousness on something so different from what they expect that it puzzles them.

    (Note: In most cases the image of an empty red or crimson CROSS seems to be especially debilitating to the Grays. For instance the legendary soldier-saint, St. George, reputedly wore a shield with a red cross emblazoned on a white background. Whether one believes that the dragonslayers existed or not, the legend itself claims that the Christian dragon-slayers of Europe more-or-less marked the end of the dragon race's infestation of the old world. One such legend concerned the city of Silene, Libya which had been plagued by a draconian beast for a long period of time. The king of the city had offered up sheep and livestock in an effort to appease the beast. However the time came when all the livestock had been used up, and this was when human sacrifices were chosen, by lot, to appease the fearsome beast. One day the lot fell on the king's own daughter, and the grieved king, honoring his word, allowed her to be taken and tied to the post outside of the city gates. As the beast was about to pounce upon the princess, so the story goes, Saint George appeared in shining silver armor and -- before the beast knew what was happening -- the soldier-saint had pierced it through with his lance and rescued the princess, who later became his wife. Whether or not such legends have any basis in reality, the story nevertheless symbolizes the unconscious animosity between 'Saints' and 'Serpents'. If we are to believe the legends, then this was only one of the many 'vermin' -- as they were referred to in those ancient times -- which St. George had vanquished during his life, and although not the only dragon-slayer of legend, he was perhaps the most renowned. - Branton)...

    "The only reason the Grays have such a degree of dominance over you is because your elected officials stupidly made clandestine agreements with them, binding you to them in an exclusive alliance that is respected by other space races, allowing them to install themselves in underground bases impregnable to your weaponry, a situation you must now find a way to extricate yourselves from (Note: In that the Grays have repeatedly violated these treaties, they should legally be considered null and void. In fact since the Executive branch of the U.S. government was taken over by a fascist CIA coup d'etat in 1963 at the time of the John F. Kennedy assassination -- AS WERE the governments of several other countries throughout the world where CIA backed military coups resulted in the establishment of fascist puppet dictatorships -- should we not consider the Executive branch of government which made the 'treaties' with the Greys, to be null and void as well? It certainly was not Congress who authorized such 'treaties'. - Branton)

    "In antiquity this planet was divided into sectors between four different groups: Blonds, Grays, large lizard-like beings [now connected with] the Capella system, and beings [now connected with] the Arcturus system. These groups still consider themselves to be the owners of this planet. They do not recognize the human claim to ownership. However, some of us do recognize human rights, as well as the rights of other life-forms...

    "The Grays are having problems not only within their own ranks, but also on other planets they have colonized. As a species they are afflicted with severe, perhaps terminal, health problems (a weakness that can and should be exploited. - Branton). They have substantial captive populations of Blond, human and other prisoners of war, eager to join a revolt at the slightest opportunity...

    "One must be rational in attempting to fight back, and understand the proper way to proceed. Your own consciousness is the most potent weapon that is available to you at the present time. The most effective way to fight the Grays is to change the level of your consciousness from linear thinking to multi-dimensional awareness. Your secret weapon, your ace in the hole, is that you are not hive-minded collective thinkers, though many of you do fall into that category by conforming to conventional group-patterns, and are therefore easily controlled by the Grays. It is your INDIVIDUALITY which is your best weapon, because it is the one weapon you have that the Grays do not have. The major weakness of the Grays, their area of vulnerability, their Achilles heel, is their inability to think as individuals. They are an extremely telepathic high-tech society, but as individuals they are not creative thinkers. They take orders well, but they do not conceptualize well. They have the technology to throw your planet out of orbit, but there is one key ability that you have and they do not have: the ability to hold in mind imagery that inspires an individual to realize his or her direct personal connection to the source of ALL THAT IS, which is the ineffable Godhead, no matter what name you may call it. That is your key to victory..."


    Regarding the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' in the first post...what if we are Renegade Pleiadians from Aldebaran...who came here (or were dumped here?)...and possibly waged war against native reptilians and/or humans...under the leadership of Lucifer? If this is true (or a similar scenario)...would Earth really be our 'Homeworld of Genesis'? Do we really have a legitimate right to be here? Are we the real extraterrestrials? These are not rhetorical questions. I really don't know. I'm tired of the run-around. I want the truth...and nothing but the truth...so help me whoever.

    Should this Solar System be a haven for benevolent beings of all races? Are human beings necessarily the good-guys...and are other races necessarily the bad-guys? Should all hard-core malevolent beings be exorcised from the Solar System...human and otherwise? Should all benevolent beings be allowed to remain...even if they are reptilians and greys? How would we know who is truly benevolent and who is truly malevolent?

    I'm torn regarding the wording of the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty'. Help me out here. I'd like to just let someone else handle everything...but I have lost confidence in the existing administration of this Solar System. Unfortunately...the whole truth is unavailable...so I get to try to sort this out while flying blind and flying stupid. Bad combination.

    I wish we could have a thread with the Zionist Leader (Pleiadian?), Teutonic Zionist Leader (Aldebaran?), Draconian Leader (duh!), and Responsible Freedom Leader (Andromedan?)...and sort this thing out. I'm really, really tired of the lies and stupidity. I want out...but perhaps things are even worse everywhere else. Perhaps this madness is as good as it gets! I hope not...but one never knows.

    Thank-you for your interest and responses. I just want this general topic to be given some serious consideration. If we don't get governance right...everything else will be wrong. If we do get governance right...everything else will eventually fall into place. But I don't think that things will ever be easy. Utopia may simply mean the absence of enslavement and extermination. There will always be huge problems for this civilization to face. I'd simply like to see us become a 1 or 2 civilization...instead of being a 0 or -1.

    Placing Responsibility Education at the core of public and private education should go a long way towards creating the type of people who are necessary for a truly free society. This will make the documents in the first post more than just @#%&*^ pieces of paper. From what I have heard and read...Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, Manly Hall, Jesus Christ, et al would agree.

    There is a heretical component to the first post. I am proposing that the documents, principles, and concepts of the first post essentially become a minimalist religion of sorts...replacing Scripture, Canon-Law, etc. Obviously...this would have to be completely voluntary...or it would defeat the whole concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    Aldbebaran is a star system...supposedly where renegade Pleiadians (who may be here on Earth) are from. See the thread titled 'What is Gizeh Intelligence'? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence Human Beings suddenly appear in the geologic record. There is no missing link. In fact...there would have to be many missing links...not just one. See the thread titled 'Tell Me Who I Am'. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14402&highlight=orthodoxymoron Instead of going from the Swamp to the Stars...I think it may have been the other way around. If so...what does that do to the effectiveness of the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty'? I'm leaning toward the idea that if you're here and good...then stay. But if you're here and really bad (hard-core malevolent)...then leave...at least until you learn how to play nice. Don't go to Hell...just go to Nibiru! I don't want Earth to be the Prison Planet Insane Asylum of the Universe.

    I just modified the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' in the first post. I removed the 'homeworld' references...because I don't really know where we are really from...but I do believe that we have every right to remain here...but that we need to be a helluva lot more responsible. I would also like to know what the Creator God of the Universe aka Founders aka Ancients...intended for Humanity in general, and Earth in particular. I continue to think that the benevolents should stay...and that the malevolents should leave. This would include humans and non-humans.

    I also indicated that ET bases should probably not be destroyed...because they might be necessary for the defense of the Solar System...and that we might need the help of benevolent ET's for Solar System Security (SSS).

    I do not intend bullying or conquest...just that things should settle down in this Solar System...and that it should be a haven for benevolent beings of all races. I have included only Humans in the authoritative role...because I don't know the true nature of any other races. Hell...I don't even know the true nature of the Human Race! We can be extremely dangerous. We need to chill.

    Tell me what you think about these modifications. Are these founding documents ready for showtime? I repeat that this is an experiment. This is a test. This is only a test. My hope is that those with real power and connections will consider the principles and concepts contained in threads such as this one, and in other sources...and really do this thing the right way. I don't have a clue as to how this should or could be done. I'm just trying to get humans and non-humans to rationally think this thing through. I'm still working on it myself! What do you think Lucifer / Amen Ra? What do you think Satan? Can we move ahead with a smooth transition of power? I know that I'm a rebel without a clue...but I think this sort of thing is the next logical step...in what seems to be a very illogical Earth, Solar System, and Universe. We can all do better...don't you agree?

    Wouldn't it be quite amazing if a young woman...or a young androgynous person...has been running things here on Earth...for thousands of years? I see one human soul...reincarnating through hundreds or thousands of bodies...living in an underground stargate temple complex (under the Giza Plateau?)...for centuries and millenia. I see this one human soul behind all of the major religions. I also could be very wrong. I'm just trying to specialize in speculation which is rooted in honest research and reflection.




    The reptilian phenomenon puzzles me. Who controls who? Did Hathor / Amen Ra use reptilians as guards and soldiers, etc? Or...did reptilians possess and control Hathor / Amen Ra to control the world? Perhaps Hathor / Amen Ra was (and is?) fighting battles on many fronts...as a sort of a mediator/negotiator...to keep light on the Earth (or to keep the Earth enslaved?). Perhaps few people know how much it really costs...in blood, sweat, tears, and gold...to keep life and light on the Earth. I'm seeing both a rational and irrational being...a kind and cruel being...a sort of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. This could go with the territory of being a deity. I truly think it would be best if we could evolve to the point where we would not need to have any gods.

    But our politicians need to go through an educational process...fit for a king. Each politician should probably have the equivalent of two doctorates...in multidisciplinary and governmental studies. Politicians should have to take batteries of tests to prove that they are fit to be the equivalent of kings (for limited periods of time...to avoid corruption and insanity). Too much power for too long...is a recipe for disaster. Power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't want tyranny and theocracy...but I also don't want a bunch of corrupt and stupid nitwits...running amok in a make believe democracy...owned by the banks and media moguls...who take orders from off-world entities.

    There should be at least 10,000 people...worldwide...who know everything about everything...and could assume supreme leadership in a very competent manner...without prior notice. One would have to competitively join this group...in order to run for high office. I just want this world to be cleaned-up and run properly. We probably need the City-States and the United Nations...but not in their current state. They need to be completely reformed and purified...if this is even possible. If it's not possible...then we need to start from scratch.

    What I am really interested in...is the Administration of the Solar System...going back thousands or even millions of years. I'm just not seeing the Founders (or whoever superimposed intelligent design upon an evolutionary canvas - resulting in the bodies and souls of humanity) at work in this Solar System. It's almost as if something catastrophic happened to the Founders (or equivalent)...and all we have left is the Creation and the Holy Spirit of the Founders Within All of Humanity. This is one reason why I am interested in the concept of Namaste...which includes the Reverence for Life philosophy of Albert Schweitzer...and Seeing Christ in All Persons (Christ in You...the Hope of Glory). The Kingdom Within may be much more than merely a figure of speech.

    There may have been a lot of smoke and mirrors (holograms and magic?)...truths and half-truths...used to manage the people of the world...for good and for ill...throughout history. I just think we can do better presently...and that we need to move on to bigger and better things. I continue to think that the true history of the universe is very sad and violent...and that Full Disclosure will be almost unbearable. Jesus said 'I have many things to tell you...but you can't bear them.' We may have to bear these things (and more?) in the near future. Will we respond responsibly? Are we safe to save?

    I don't think that it would be good to be king. It might be a necessary evil...at times...but I don't consider the royal model to be the epitome of divinity.

    Thank-you New Age Messiah and Gnosis5. Solar System ownership and governance probably supercedes almost every other subject IMO. I'd like to hear a wide variety of opinions. So far...I am rather discouraged by the lack of interest. I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not. I just want to see some indication of interest and knowledge in this matter. This is basic.

    If the Universe is a Theocracy...then if the Universal PTB allow Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom here...they might have to allow it everywhere. This seems to be a Planet in Rebellion...and we seem to be at a crossroads. Will we be reigned back into the Universal Church Theocracy...or will We the People of Earth rule ourselves with Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? This is one perspective (mine)...and the actual situation and terminology might be quite different.

    Please keep asking questions and thinking creatively regarding Solar System ownership and governance. This thread represents just one possibility regarding proper governance. It's a big idea...a True Universal Order. I don't really know what the true state of affairs is in this Solar System or Universe...and we probably need to consider all of the possibilities. Leave no moon-rock unturned.

    Someone commented "If a religion is running a government, it is called a theocracy. Some muslim countries are run by their religious leaders. But many other countries have governments that are not run by a religion (hopefully USA is still one), or they may have dictators, or they may be run by a monarchy. So I suggest you check your facts. Here is a place to start:
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_gov_typ-government-type]http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_gov_typ-government-type "

    Which facts do you suggest that I check? I suggest that you check the words at the front of the U.S. Senate Chambers...and the words at the center of the back of the dollar bill...and the words of the Pledge of Allegiance. My point was that there are religious aspects to all governmental systems...and there are governmental aspects to all religious systems. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom would bow to the Divinity Within Humanity rather than bowing to an external deity...who could possibly be more evil than righteous...and could be an alien from Sirius (the Prince of Sirius)...and could be ruling the U.S. through the U.N., Bilderberg, C.F.R., etc. Blind obedience...without questioning and cross-examination...is extremely dangerous. Question Authority.

    "Constitutional Theocracy is a form of government in which within the context of a modern democracy a particular religion is granted a central role in the legal and political system. In contrast to a pure theocracy, power resides in political figures operating within the bounds of a constitution, rather than religious leadership. A form of government (also referred to as a system of government or a political system) is a system composed of various people, institutions and their relations in regard to the governance of a state. ... Theocracy is a form of government in which a religion and the government are intertwined..."

    Could the United States of America be under a Constitutional Theocracy presently? Could the United States of America have always been under such a Constitutional Theocracy? See Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Was the 1954 Greada treaty simply an extension of this hypothetical Constitutional Theocracy? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm Is the U.N. Charter superceding the U.S. Constitution a further expansion of a Constitutional Theocracy?

    There's a helicopter hovering over my house as I type...and I'm not kidding! I doubt that it's because of what I'm typing...but one never knows! I make such posts with zero hostility. I simply wish to place light on the subject.

    Please consider this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=206737#post206737 in the context of the United States of the Solar System...regarding Battlestar Galactica and the United Nations. I was very impressed. This is a step in the right direction.

    Could the Cylons be the equivalent of the Reptilians. If so...are there theocratic implications? The Cylons were monotheistic. Is Battlestar Galactica really the story of Human Beings (us) coming to Earth? Is Battlestar Galactica really Nibiru, the Moon, and/or the Ark of the Covenant? If so...what was the covenant? Did we have to cut a deal with the Devil to come to Earth? If so...did that deal involve the servitude to, and worship of, the Reptilian Race...who might own and operate the Solar System...and be the Gods of a Universal Chruch? Are we presently trying to back out of that deal? Could this be why there is all the talk about 'Earth Changes', '2012', the 'New World Order', etc? If all of the above is true...what would convince the Reptilians to adopt Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as the Modus Operandi of the Solar System? Who knows? The Shadow Government? Lord Draco? Lucifer? Hathor? Amen Ra? Jesus Christ?

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -- This article is about the fictional beings in Battlestar Galactica. For related meanings, see Cylon.

    A model of a new series Cylon Centurion. The Cylons are a cybernetic civilization at war with the Twelve Colonies of humanity in the Battlestar Galactica science fiction franchise, in the original 1978 and 1980 series, the 2003 reimagining, as well as the spin-off prequel series, Caprica. In the 1978 series, the Cylons is also the name of the race (Reptilians?) who created the robot Cylons (Greys, Hybrids, PLF'S?).

    The nature and origins of Cylons differ greatly between the two Galacticas. However both series feature Cylon Raiders, Cylon Basestars and Cylon Centurions. The prequel series, Caprica, focuses on the creation of the Cylons, which differs from all the previous Battlestar Galactica series.

    The Cylons of the 1978/1980 series are not the mechanical foils seen throughout the series, but an advanced reptilian race who created the robots (who were referred to as Cylons within the show) to serve them, maintain their vast empire and to man their military forces in the face of a sudden population drop that eventually led to the Cylons' extinction — seemingly overnight. This fact is briefly mentioned in the 1978 movie-length premier of the series (near the end of episode 2 in syndication) when Apollo relates the Cylons' origin to Boxey. In the episode "War of the Gods", during Count Iblis's private discourse with Count Baltar, Baltar mentions that he recognizes Iblis's voice, referring to Patrick Macnee's voicing of the Imperious Leader in the opening episode/theatrical movie (Macnee also played Iblis), with Iblis countering that if that was true it must have been "transcribed" over a thousand yahren (years) ago and programmed into the mechanical body of the Imperious Leader.

    The follow-up series Galactica 1980 had a two-episode arc entitled "The Night the Cylons Landed" that featured a humanoid Cylon, though unlike its successors in the post-millennial reimagining, it was not organic, but a complex mechanical construct.

    The Cylons of the 2003 miniseries and 2004 Battlestar Galactica series are fundamentally different from the Cylons of the original 1978/1980 series. In the new version, the Cylons were created by humans as cybernetic workers and soldiers. As in the original series, the Cylons destroy almost the entire human civilization, chasing a few ship-borne survivors into deep space. Unlike the original series, however, the reimagined series includes twelve Cylon models that are nearly indistinguishable from human beings. Although these human-form Cylons are the focus of the series, alongside the humanoid models there are also Centurions similar to those in the original series. Much of the Cylons' technology is based heavily on bioengineering and/or synthetic biology rather than conventional robotics. Humans often derisively refer to Cylons as "toasters," due to the resemblance of the Cylon centurions from the first Human/Cylon war (the design of which is based on that of the centurions from the original series) to "walking chrome toasters", as described by Gaius Baltar in the miniseries. The humanoid models are referred to as "skin-jobs" to differentiate the two variants.

    In contrast to the reason for the original Cylons' genocidal mission, religion is the primary motivation of the Cylon race in the re-imagined series. They consider humans to be sinful and flawed creations who therefore do not deserve to survive. In the original series the Cylons, an aggressively expanding empire, declared war on Humanity because they intervened on behalf of a race of beings called the Hasaris who had been enslaved by the Cylons and who had sought the aid of the Colonials.

    In the reimagined series universe, the term Cylon stands for Cybernetic Lifeform Node.[1]

    http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=62495


    It seems to me that the Powers That Be and the Custodians of the New World Order have very little to worry about. Jordan Maxwell is probably 100% correct. The New World Order seems to be a Fait Accompi. Resistance is Futile.

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    It may sound crazy...but my only hope at this point...is for the Powers That Be...and that includes the Vatican, the Illuminati, the Pleiadians, the Sirians, the Aldebarans, the Nibiruans, the Draconians, Hollywood, New York, the City of London, et al...to choose to do the right thing...and implement something like Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom from the top down. Otherwise...I frankly don't see it happening. Just giving people the facts won't cut it. Edwin Bernays and Sigmund Freud were absolutely correct in their cynical views concerning the general public. The Awake and Aware don't seem to care...so do you really think that Joe the Plumber is going to give a rat's @$$?? A Solar System Exorcism would be a Hail Mary solution...but I wouldn't count on it. A popular uprising would just get a lot of people hurt and killed...and would solidify the power and authority of the existing PTB. In fact...they may be hoping for a popular uprising...to provide an excuse for executing the finishing touches of total tyranny and enslavement. Then Disclosure can safely occur...wherein we will meet our Extraterrestrial Gods and Goddesses...who undoubtedly will suggest that we kneel...in no uncertain terms.

    Matthew 23

    1.Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
    2."The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
    3.So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
    4.They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
    5."Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
    6.they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
    7.they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'
    8."But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
    9.And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
    10.Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
    11.The greatest among you will be your servant.
    12.For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
    13."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
    15."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
    16."Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
    17.You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
    18.You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
    19.You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
    20.Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
    21.And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
    22.And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
    23."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
    24.You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
    25."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
    26.Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
    27."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
    28.In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
    29."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
    30.And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
    31.So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
    32.Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
    33."You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
    34.Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
    35.And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
    36.I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
    37."O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
    38.Look, your house is left to you desolate.
    39.For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "


    I don't read the Bible very much...and I don't go to church anymore. I think a lot about meaning of life stuff...but I overdosed on scripture and church in the past...so I draw upon my memory banks when considering a lot of the subjects I rant and rave about.

    I love theology...but not in the context of most churches. I love choirs, pipe organs, and sacred music...but not in the context of most church services. I'm too idealistic...and I know too much...to be able to enjoy church attendance...at this point.

    I think people should study theology and listen to sacred music...in the context of nature...which is more beautiful than the most elaborate cathedral. A theological/political solution will emerge...which wil be a sort of secular spirituality...which will be balanced and highly ethical...and will rely heavily on subjects which presently seem to be science fiction.

    I think we're going to make it...but we may go into tyranny for awhile...while we work out the internal conflicts resulting from disclosure...with all of it's implications and ramifications.

    I'm thinking there is a Human God of This World (Lucifer?)...and a Reptilian God of This World (Satan?)...with a real zoo of Human and Reptilian Gods and Goddesses throughout the Universe...all separate and distinct from the Founders, Ancients, Creator God(s) of the Universe. I'm also thinking that all of the religions of the world...go back to Ancient Egypt...have a common author...and are a mixture of truth and error. Despite the absurdities and horrors of this world...could this be as good as it gets in the present Universe? If the Human and Reptilian Gods of This World agreed to jointly institute Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom throughout the Solar System...what would the implications and ramifications be throughout the Universe? Would the Empire Strike Back? Or...would it be Morning in the Universe? Are the Humans and Reptilians who are 'out there' a lot worse than the ones who are here on Earth? I know that's hard to imagine...and I hope it ain't so. I'm sensing a history of Regressive Human and Reptilian Theocracies...going back millions or billions of years. Could this present generation be the last generation to exist under a Regressive Theocracy or Universal Church? Hope springs eternal. As always...this is simply brainstorming intuitive conjecture...and in need of a helluva lot of further study. The people we love to hate may not have a lot of choices regarding what goes on at the highest levels of Earth's Governments and Religions...which are very possibly secretly intertwined...and taking orders from a Nine-Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian...under the Giza Plateau or the Dark Side of the Moon. I hope that's just another Big-Foot story! Say it isn't so Lord Draco!!

    The first part of the linked video clip...which contains a segment from BSG (beginning @ 07:00)...states that THE CYLONS (REPTILIANS?) WERE A HUMAN INVENTION THAT EVOLVED, AND DESTROYED THEIR CREATORS...AND THAT THE LAST SURVIVING HUMANS ESCAPED ON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA...IN SEARCH OF A NEW HOME ON EARTH. Is this representative of OUR history...and why we are in such a big @#$%^&* mess??? Who owns and operates this Solar System? More to the point: Who owns YOU? Who REALLY runs YOUR life? Regarding the last several posts: Are WE the equivalent of the Cylons? Did we evolve and destroy our creator(s)? The state or fate of the Founders/Ancients/Creator God(s) is crucial to our state or fate. You can ignore or dislike me...but do not ignore the issues and questions of this thread. Are there no exopoliticians out there? What the hell is going on here? Considering all of the possibilities from all angles all the time is probably a good idea. Leave no moonrock unturned.
    TRANCOSO wrote:America Is Running the World’s Largest Terrorist Operation Experts on the Left and the Right Agree
    By Washington's Blog
    Global Research, April 22, 2014

    Chomsky: “Obama Is Running The Biggest Terrorist Operation That Exists”
    Leading liberal Noam Chomsky  said yesterday: The Obama administration is dedicated to increasing terrorism. In fact, it’s doing it all over the world.  Obama is running the biggest terrorist operation that exists, maybe in history:  the drone assassination campaigns, which are just part of it [...] All of these operations, they are terror operations.

    People hate the country that’s just terrorizing them.  That’s not a surprise. Just consider the way we react to acts of terror. That’s the way other people react to [American] acts of terror.

    Chomsky is right.  Experts agrees that indiscriminate drone strikes are war crimes (more here and here).

    The U.S. is not only killing people whose identity it doesn’t even know (more), but it is also  killing children.  And it is using the justifiably-vilified Al Qaeda tactic of killing people attending funerals of those killed – and targeting people attempting to rescue people who have been injured by – our previous strikes.

    Chomsky has previously extensively documented U.S. terrorism.  As Wikipedia notes: Chomsky and Herman observed that terror was concentrated in the U.S. sphere of influence in the Third World, and documented terror carried out by U.S. client states in Latin America. They observed that of ten Latin American countries that had death squads, all were U.S. client states.

    They concluded that the global rise in state terror was a result of U.S. foreign policy.

    In 1991, a book edited by Alexander L. George [the Graham H. Stuart Professor of Political Science Emeritus at Stanford University] also argued that other Western powers sponsored terror in Third World countries. It concluded that the U.S. and its allies were the main supporters of terrorism throughout the world.

    Indeed, the U.S. has created death squads in Latin America, Iraq and Syria.

    The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted: Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

    Odom also said: By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

    CONTINUE: http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-is-running-the-worlds-largest-terrorist-operation/5339835
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you for the great posts, Bob. I spoke at some length with Dr. Carol Rosin at a couple of Whole Life Expos -- and I wish I had followed-up on those productive conversations. I tend to think there are good and bad sides to the Nazi-Phenomenon (with good-guys and bad-guys).


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    Here's something I don't think I've talked about (much) BUT I once attended a church (and sang in the choir) where Clifton Davis (the star of Amen) was an associate-pastor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifton_Davis I remember talking to him about Robert H. Schuller. Clifton told me that Bob was a "Brother"!! The name of the show is highly significant in light of what I've posted within this website!! Also, the fact that "Amen" was combined with comedy also seems significant in light of how I've combined highly upsetting topics (including Egyptology) with humor and comedy!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen_(TV_series) I only mention this sort of thing because my life is so dang stupid and boring!! My inner thoughts have been anything but stupid and boring -- but that doesn't count for anything in this world...

    Amen is an American television sitcom produced by Carson Productions that ran from September 27, 1986 to May 11, 1991 on NBC. Set in Sherman Hemsley's real-life hometown of Philadelphia, Amen stars Hemsley as the deacon of a church and was part of a wave of successful sitcoms on NBC in the 1980s which featured predominantly black casts. Others included The Cosby Show, A Different World, and 227.[1]

    Overview

    The series stars Sherman Hemsley (of All in the Family and The Jeffersons fame) as Deacon Ernest Frye, of the First Community Church of Philadelphia. Frye, who works as a lawyer, is often dishonest and frequently gets into trouble with his many harebrained schemes. Anna Maria Horsford played Deacon Frye's 36-year-old single daughter, Thelma Frye. The Reverend Reuben Gregory, played by Clifton Davis, was the new, young pastor of the First Community Church, and also the object of Thelma's affection. The two eventually married during the fourth season, despite the fact that Reverend Gregory and Deacon Frye often butted heads.[2] In the series finale, Thelma gives birth to the couple's first child.[3]

    The cast also included Jester Hairston as high-spirited and lively senior citizen Rolly Forbes, who often acted as the voice of reason. Davis and Hairston had previously worked together, playing Clifton and Wildcat on the 1970s sitcom That's My Mama. The show also starred comedienne Roz Ryan and Barbara Montgomery as Amelia and Cassietta Hetebrink, a pair of chattering sisters at the church. Also appearing on the show was Leola Henderson (played by Rosetta LeNoire), Rolly's love interest and eventual wife. After portraying Leola Forbes for two seasons, LeNoire left the show to star in the successful sitcom Family Matters as Grandma 'Mother' Estelle Winslow. LeNoire was replaced by Montrose Hagins who played the character from 1989 until the series' end in 1991.

    For the third and fourth seasons, joining the cast were Elsa Raven as Swedish housekeeper Inga and Tony T. Johnson as Chris, a young boy that lived next door to Deacon Frye. In a running gag, Chris would visit the Frye home for various reasons and would say something outrageous that would cause one of the adults to pick him up and carry him out of the house. The character of Enga was dropped from the show in 1990, with no explanation given for her disappearance. Barbara Montgomery left the series in 1990 to star on ABC's Married People, but there was no explanation of her character's absence on the show. In the fifth and final season, Bumper Robinson joined the cast as Clarence, a young street kid and protégé of Deacon Frye.

    Cast and characters

    Sherman Hemsley as Deacon Ernest Frye
    Anna Maria Horsford as Thelma Frye Gregory
    Clifton Davis as Reverend Reuben Gregory
    Jester Hairston as Rolly Forbes
    Roz Ryan as Amelia Hetebrink
    Barbara Montgomery as Cassietta Hetebrink (1986–1990)
    Elsa Raven as Inga (1988–1990)
    Rosetta LeNoire as Leola Henderson Forbes (1987–1989)
    Montrose Hagins as Leola Henderson Forbes (1989–1991)
    Bumper Robinson as Clarence (1990–1991)
    Tony T. Johnson as Chris (1988–1991)
    Franklyn Seales as Lorenzo Hollingsworth (1986–1987)

    Notable guest stars

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (episode 5.12)
    Hakim Abdulsamad (episode 1.14)
    Steve Allen (episode 5.9)
    James L. Avery (5 episodes)
    Halle Berry (episode 5.10)
    James Brown (episode 5.22)
    Nell Carter (episode 1.2)
    Chubby Checker (episode 5.11)
    Vinnie Curto (episode 3.16)
    Judyann Elder (episode 3.6)
    Fabian Forte (episode 5.17)
    Siedah Garrett (episode 5.Cool
    Ron Glass (3 episodes)
    Cuba Gooding Jr. (episode 3.Cool
    Moses Gunn (episode 4.3)
    M.C. Hammer (episode 5.13)
    Jackée Harry (2 episodes)
    Cindy Herron (episode 3.Cool
    Telma Hopkins (episode 2.19)
    Adrienne-Joi Johnson (episode 5.15)
    Casey Kasem (episode 5.11)
    Paula Kelly (episode 1.5)
    Richard Lawson (episode 2.9)
    Whitman Mayo (2 episodes)
    Myra J (2 episodes)
    Miguel A. Núñez, Jr. (2 episodes)
    Michael Oliver (episode 5.3)
    Lawanda Page (3 episodes)
    Al Ruscio (episode 3.16)
    Richard Roundtree (2 episodes)
    Tasha Scott (2 episodes)
    Larenz Tate (episode 3.5)
    Berlinda Tolbert (episode 2.5)
    Joe Torry (episode 5.19)
    Lee Weaver (episode 2.14)
    Fred Williamson (episode 3.2)

    Ratings
    1986–1987: #13[4]
    1987–1988: #15[5]
    1988–1989: #25[6]
    1989–1990: #54
    1990–1991: #60

    Syndication

    Amen was sold into syndication shortly after finishing its run on NBC and Universal Pictures' MCA Television unit was awarded the syndication rights. Those rights are now in the hands of Comcast through its NBCUniversal Television Distribution division.

    Reruns currently air on Encore Black.

    References

    1.Jump up ^ "A Look At New TV Season". Ebony (in English) (Johnson Publishing Company) 41 (12): 145. October 1986. ISSN 0012-9011.
    2.Jump up ^ Collier, Aldore (February 5, 1990). "Clifton Davis and Anna Marie Horsford Tie Knot On TV's 'Amen'". Jet (in English) (Johnson Publishing Company) 77 (17): 60–61. ISSN 0021-5996.
    3.Jump up ^ ""Deliverance" Episode Ends Fifth Season of "Amen"". Jet (in English) (Johnson Publishing Company) 80 (4): 60. May 13, 1991. ISSN 0021-5996.
    4.Jump up ^ ClassicTVHits.com: TV Ratings > 1980's
    5.Jump up ^ ClassicTVHits.com: TV Ratings > 1980's
    6.Jump up ^ ClassicTVHits.com: TV Ratings > 1980's

    Clifton Duncan Davis (born October 4, 1945) is an American actor, songwriter and minister. He has appeared on the television shows as A World Apart, That's My Mama and Amen. Davis also wrote several hits for The Jackson 5, including "Never Can Say Goodbye" and "Lookin' Through the Windows"

    Career

    Davis was born in Chicago, Illinois, the son of Thelma van Putten Langhorn, a nurse, and Toussaint L'Ouverture Davis, a Baptist minister.[1] He was raised in Mastic, New York. In a piece he wrote for Chicken Soup for the Teenage Soul, he described the racism he suffered growing up during the pre-Civil Rights Act era.[2]

    Before finding fame in acting, Davis worked as a songwriter, most famously penning The Jackson 5's #2 hit "Never Can Say Goodbye".

    Davis starred as barber Clifton Curtis in the mid-1970s television show That's My Mama with Theresa Merritt, Theodore Wilson and Ted Lange (who subsequently became a mainstay of The Love Boat). Davis' romantic interest with songstress and Broadway performer Melba Moore led to his co-starring role on her musical variety television show.

    Davis made a guest appearance on the third episode of the first season of The Bobby Vinton Show in September 1975, singing "I've Got The Music In Me" and "Never Can Say Goodbye". He successfully sang the Polish lyrics with Vinton to the show's "My Melody of Love" theme song.

    A triple heart bypass survivor, he participated in the "superstars" celebrity TV sports competitions of the seventies, in addition to making several appearances on the popular 70s celebrity game show Match Game. He also appeared in the film Scott Joplin in 1977. He also made numerous appearances on several incarnations of Pyramid from the early 70s to the mid 80s.

    From 1986-91, he co-starred with Sherman Hemsley in the NBC sitcom Amen, which ran for four seasons. Davis released one acclaimed (and now hard to find) studio recording in 1991 on Benson Records titled Say Amen. He also played the mayor of Miami in the 1999 film Any Given Sunday.

    Davis most recently performed on stage in the first national North American touring production of the acclaimed musical Wicked, in the supporting lead role of Doctor Dillamond.

    Davis has continued his stage work - starring in the Toronto production of "Aladdin", playing the father of Princess Jasmine.

    Minister

    In addition to being an actor and a singer, he is also an ordained Seventh-day Adventist[3] minister. Davis holds a BA in Theology from Oakwood University and a Master of Divinity degree from Andrews University.[4] For the last 25 years he has been an active part of Youthville, USA a children's services organization. He currently serves as National Spokesperson and Advisory Board Chairman. He is the emcee and host of The Most Soulful Sound, an annual gospel choir competition in Raleigh, North Carolina. He also hosts an annual celebrity golf tournament in Elizabeth City, NC at Elizabeth City State University, where he served as Vice Chancellor for Institutional Advancement. Since the end of 2005 Davis has held the position of Executive Director for Welcome America, a non-profit organization located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania that produces the largest Fourth of July celebration each year in the nation.

    Davis is a frequent guest host on Trinity Broadcasting Network. Davis also hosted the Gospel Superfest TV show from 2000 to 2008, which is syndicated by United Television.

    Davis is the author of an autobiographical essay entitled "A Mason Dixon Memory" in which he recounts his experiences as an eighth grader dealing with prejudice on a trip to a southern state.[5]

    Davis also portrayed a minister on the prime time series Amen.

    References

    1.Jump up ^ [http:/.filmreference.com/film/60/Clifton-Davis.html Clifton Davis Biography (1945-)]
    2.Jump up ^ "Mason-Dixon Memory". Chicken Soup for the Teenage Soul (pages 127-133).
    3.Jump up ^ http://www.cliftondavis.com/min_biography.php
    4.Jump up ^ http://www.cliftondavis.com/min_biography.php
    5.Jump up ^ A Mason-Dixon Memory











    I saw and heard Clifton Davis preach in this church many times -- and I almost forgot Jester Hairston's Amen!!
    It was cool when he led the singing of Amen at the Crystal Cathedral!!






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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:32 am

    I'm seriously wondering about the 2300 day-years of Daniel 8:14 as being 168 BC to 2133 AD!! I haven't really studied this concept in any detail -- and I didn't get it from anyone -- but sometimes I really wonder!! What if the Millennium ends in 2133 AD??!! What if 120 years (basically from now) will precede the End of the World as We Know It??!! Didn't Noah preach an apocalyptic-warning for 120 years??!! What if Humanity will be subjected to 120 years of an Open New World Order??!! What if a properly planned and implemented United States of the Solar System (or equivalent) will commence in 2133 AD?? I have no idea if Daniel 8:14 can be even remotely interpreted as applying to this time-period -- but I still think this is an interesting concept (with or without Daniel 8:14)!! Why is everyone continuing to give me the cold-shoulder and the silent-treatment?? What if Humanity has chosen to sleep with the Devil for yet another 120 years??!! What if this is a Probation-Extension??!! I have no idea -- but I continue to wonder how much trouble Humanity is really in??!! Have they finally gained their independence from the ET Powers That Be?? Or -- have they rejected their Creator one more (or one last) time??!! Check this out!! http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/2300.htm Then check this out!! http://www.worldslastchance.com/end-time-prophecy/daniel-8-the-2300-days-prophecy-made-simple.html Once again, I don't usually play numbers-games -- but I think I might take another look at Daniel. What if Revelation were eliminated from prophetic consideration?? What if one focused upon Job through Romans??!! Once again -- I'm simply trying to get all of us to THINK!! I am NOT endorsing ANY of these prophecy-charts!! Most people couldn't care less about such things!! But what if humanity was judged and sentenced in antiquity?? What if prophecy is a verdict -- rather than absolute supernatural foreknowledge?? If 1844 was so vitally important -- why has so much time passed -- without the Second-Coming of Christ -- and the End of the World?? I'm not a scoffer at the end of time. I'm simply questioning how smart we are when it comes to figuring out what the hell is really going on in this God-Forsaken Solar System. I also wonder how many sincere and honest people are in mental-institutions because of obsessing over this sort of thing?? I have introduced the subject into a science-fictional context because I think people who are battle-hardened by horrific science-fiction books, series, and movies are probably better able to handle the madness!! Speaking of madness -- here is some more Sherry Shriner!! http://sherrytalkradio.com/ Please remember that I'm not pushing this sort of thing. This is all simply a contrarian and renegade approach to understanding life, the universe, and everything!! Please consider studying Theology, Science, and Science-Fiction -- side by side -- in equal proportions!!

































    B.B.Baghor wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. What if ALL Religions are designed to punish humanity?? What if humanity really did commit original and unpardonable sins in antiquity?? What if we've been paying for those sins for thousands of years?? I much prefer an in-depth study of nature, human-nature, natural-law, and the Perfect Law of the Lord. I have a theory that the Creator of Humanity got demoted, deposed, and exiled in antiquity -- with a Harsh God of This World taking their place -- for legitimate and/or illegitimate reasons. Could I use your post on my thread?? I'm attempting to create a potpourri of perspectives -- in the context of a consistent modus operandi. Please remember that I am modeling certain personalities and perspectives -- which do not necessarily reflect who I am in real life. Namaste.

    Thanks orthodoxymoron, I can see that you're full of questions and this is of course totally legitimate. We all choose our ways to achieve what we long for. It's not my choice to go in that direction, this might be due to my age and a life of questioning that has brought me sufficient answers. Or rather, the revelation that all the answers that I need are within. This is the best answer I ever found. I wish you excellent answers that work for you, on your quest!
    B.B.Baghor wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote: Could I use your post on my thread?? I'm attempting to create a potpourri of perspectives -- in the context of a consistent modus operandi. Please remember that I am modeling certain personalities and perspectives -- which do not necessarily reflect who I am in real life. Namaste.
    Hey orthodoxymoron, today I was better concentrating on reading your reply. You're welcome to post my private message to you in your thread. Specially also because of that modeling exercise of yours. I invested a lot of time and energy in my reply to you and it might be valuable to others  Cheerful
    Thank-you B.B. Your lengthy reply was quite excellent! I've collected some amazing comments throughout the years. The best material on 'my' thread is not my material. I think it's worth studying, because of the unique collection of images, videos, links, etc. -- and the general editorial slant I've tried to consistently apply. I often try to communicate the "good-side" of an "evil-queen" (who might not be human or completely-human)!! I've met with several strange and interesting "people" throughout the years -- who I think contacted me because of my internet-posting -- and possibly because of who I might've been (on a soul-basis) going way, way, way back. I'm pretty much a mixed-up idiot in this incarnation -- but I might've been a "somebody" in previous lives. That's the theory anyway -- and I don't know if that would be a good-thing or a bad-thing if it were true. I get the feeling that I've significantly angered Divinity and Humanity (at some point in my soul-existence). You'd be surprised by what I pick-up from certain persons of interest (without them saying much of anything)! It's VERY strange...
    B.B.Baghor wrote:Quote from your reply to my post: Thank-you B.B. I'm not sure what I'm really trying to convey, if anything. This is probably an attempt to deal with why we don't seem to be in 'Heaven'. It's probably an attempt to understand why Christianity has seemed to fail so many of us -- and to attempt to grasp what might need to be done to make things 'OK' again. Thinking of the solar system as being one big business seems to make a lot of sense -- yet it poses a lot of unanswered questions. I seem to be proposing that Purgatory Incorporated morph into Paradise Incorporated -- but without knowing the whole inside-story -- it's probably irresponsible and futile to propose anything in this regard. And please know that I have withdrawn ALL of my ideas and proposals -- for a variety of reasons. Often, the Theology Game seems to be played like a Football Game!! "The Protestants fumble the question on the fifteen yard-line!! First-Down, Notre Dame!!" Theology never seems to involve a genuine search for truth. It's often very lawyer-like and mealy-mouthed!! Please remember that I am modeling ideas and personalities which do not necessarily reflect who I really am in real-life. This is a test. This is only a test. Please notice that the end-result of my madness has been a homeostasis or dynamic-equilibrium of support and attack regarding the powers that be -- and the way things are. Please remember too, that my background is SDA -- but I have not regularly attended services for a very long time -- so don't blame them for me. I am a product of a wide variety of influences (each of whom would probably disown me)!!

    Hey Orthodoxymoron, your words "in bold" here, trigger me to share my point of view with you. Please receive this freely and to lay it aside, when I'm mistaken. You're welcome to discuss this with me and to maybe explain yourself if you feel the need and to understand better, where I'm coming from. My background as a preachers daughter and the fact that we, I was the 3rd child and eldest daughter in an 11 headed family, threw ourselves in mental rational attitudes in our lives, in order to deal with the friction between strict religious rules and our human nature, closed off from our emotions, not dealing with them appropriately, unable to feel connected to each other, has caused much confusion and confrontations, for example the religous quarrelings, tearing apart the family structure at home and at large, teaching me precious lessons later in my life.

    You may feel this as blasphemous, orthodoxymoron, and I truly mean no offense,  but to me, God in Heaven, the biblical explanation and general hierarchy of religious institutes, is a method to alienate human beings from their inner creator, which is (part of) God as well. And to me, exactly that connection with our inner God, our inner creator, is the entrance to a life that is worthwhile and fulfilling. This is my point of view now, you see, in my now I'm re-examining my belief systems and my path in life a lot. I'm learning step by step, that my life isn't meant to fight against whatever presents itself, but to discern what it is in me that is touched, painfully or happily, by what happens in the outside world and by actions of my fellow human beings toward me. To use all outer events as mirrors to my inner state, pain and needs, longings and qualities. Without ignoring my emotions and feelings, but looking at them as my creations, with their roots in my life story. And choose my path according to that discernment. In a way you could say it's the same as creating a "skin" as a buffer between the inside and the outside world, that allows me to be autonomous in my life. To be sovereign.

    No effort to try to change anything outside of me is worthwhile or succesful. You should know how I've tried a million times, orthodoxymoron! The pain of limitation, of being a spiritual being in a physical body, is a given fact in my life. I have chosen to accept that as a choice I made, before birth. The difference that makes my life worthwhile, is my acceptance of that truth and the responsibility for my choices, to see that I am the one who lets in what influences me, or even programs me. Knowingly and unknowingly, depending on my awareness and presence in my body, but without the ordeal of judgement. Or judgement day... for that matter. A methaphorical sweeping broom, a spring cleaning... a purgatory within  Farewell  is what makes the world turn round at this moment, I believe.

    To focus on my creative abilities, in order to make my life a happy one, including all shades of feelings and emotions, and support others in the same, when they welcome that, is my purpose in life now, at 63. It feels like a returning to simplicity and the freedom to see humor in how life expresses itself, to the eyes of my heart. I don't need to save the world anymore, it's sufficient to save my inner peace and go from there. As I feel it, duality consciousness is holding a firm grip on and within the collective consciousness, but to me it's only one way, in which I can look at the world and be part of it that way. As I see it now, there are other ways of looking at reality and due to that, find opportunities to even start being a creator in it.

    These kind of topics are affecting us in non-personal and personal ways, if you see what I mean. The present world may seem to fall apart, in painful resonance with our inner one sometimes. It's a painful process to find that many things aren't true or to be trusted, which have been the tethers we've been hanging onto.... for dear life. While reading your postings, it seems to me as if your energy system is in an overload of information, that isn't resonating with who you truly are and what you may truly need in order to find peace, clarity and focus for yourself, orthodoxymoron. It feels like you're trying to find answers in all kinds of ways and manner, also in the Wishing Well of Wonders, this huge data bank that, to me, is filled with illusions and deceipts as much as beauty and love.

    I've been very ambivalent toward the virtual world, due to very painful experiences with the virtual nature of that world, for 3 years. I need to be very awake, to rule the use of it, because I'm a curious and exploring person. But I have found that there's no evil in anything, unless I declare it as such. I can look at so called "evil" as misinterpretations of reality, hurt innocence and karmic causes and effects. And the need for revenge, while in pain. And close the heart and deny access to compassion for oneself, in that way. And withold oneself from feeling compassion, for those who have pushed our pain buttons or for how our life turns out the way we don't want it to go. To me, this is all part of Earth history, the misuse of life force energy in power games. Turn evil around and you find live. Turn evol around and you find love. Sometimes, it's helpful to quit the familiar roads, quit working too hard and take a moment to reflect on the "windmills of our mind".


    Sometimes it can be helpful to return to silence, finding what cries out for being really seen, nurtured and healed. By your inner creator, which, to me, is God as well. As long as you're afraid for that presence, the devil will grin. Please receive this as my sharing of my view on life, my sharing of how I sense your situation, orthodoxymoron. I may be in grave error, forgive me if that is so.
    B.B.Baghor wrote:"I'm pretty much a mixed-up idiot in this incarnation -- but I might've been a "somebody" in previous lives. That's the theory anyway -- and I don't know if that would be a good-thing or a bad-thing if it were true".

    Hi orthodoxymoron, before I continue to make chocolate of ....... I'd like to ask you who it is, that presents the "theory" in the part of your message, which I quote here.

    Thank you for your positive view on my viewpoints, now transferred to your thread. To me, life is full of surprises, but it seems that I'm almost at the end of a journey through my private underworld, stepping into a new area in my life. I find that autonomy is a vast terrain without a fixed horizon. I'm on a Quest for my Nature's truth and at the start of 2011, I made a decision to leave Holland and one day step on the boat for England with a one way ticket. In 2012 I've traveled for 5 months in the UK as a volunteer in more or less "off grid" communities.
    This was part of my Quest and an exploration of a way of life in the English countryside.

    I think it's valuable to tell you that I've recently returned in the MoA, after a 2 years break. I need  to "get the hang of it" regarding the presence of whistleblowers interviews and conspiracies info and how far I choose to go into that world. I've been a transcript writer for Project Camelot and Project Avalon, around 2010 and I have entered the whistleblowers whistles quite intensively.
    I wasn't that happy when I witnessed the clashes, the emotional turmoil and ranting at the Camelot - Avalon - Nexus2012 Fora.

    As you may have noticed, often I find it easier to use metaphors and images.
    I'd like to call your thread "chocolate factory" while I'm trying to understand the production line in the making  scratch  

    I wonder if the huge variety of ingredients that you put on the kitchen shelves, is meant to find a formula that is to your taste, by your own mixing, sifting and cooking.

    Or if you hope to find the formula by sharing your recepees with us and asking us to mix, sift and cook, meanwhile sharing our comments and opinions on the taste and texture of this chocolate?
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, orthodoxymoron!

    For now its the end of my time online and a piece of home made apple cake is on my right, waiting to be eaten. That recepee is in the kitchen of Avalon's lodge  Cheerful

    Be well.
    Thank-you B.B. It's my theory -- composed of a lot of very weak pieces of evidence and lines of reasoning and speculation. It's sort of insane -- in a way -- especially if I took my quest outside of my science-fictional speculation and online blogging. You'd have to spend a significant amount of time on my thread to understand where I'm really coming from. I am NOT Project Avalon or Project Camelot material. I was part of the original Project Avalon which got shut-down! I was in the middle of that abraxasinas meltdown! I actually preferred that old Project Avalon to this present Mists of Avalon. What somewhat bothered me about that site was that Bill and Kerry were not actively posting and acknowledging the hard work of it's members. Anyway, I really enjoyed the interviews -- and I liked both Bill and Kerry. I haven't followed Bill and Kerry since the closure of the original Project Avalon. My activities are really sort of a controlled-insanity -- wherein I am quite distant from anyone's camp -- and wherein I belong to no organization or group-think. I am truly a Galactic Lone Ranger -- or a Rebel Without a Clue. I envy your travels through England. I am very interested in the British-System relative to the American-System, the Roman-System, the United-Nations System -- and the System I suspect exists on the Moon (which might control the other systems). I am seeking to positively-reinforce that which presently exists -- even if the present state of affairs is quite corrupt and reprehensible. I suspect that the whole thing is a corrupted version of an idealistic plan -- which requires some purification and fine-tuning. Namaste.


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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

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    Please remember that this whole thread is highly informal and experimental. I'm trying to deal with highly upsetting and controversial subjects -- in a very low key manner. I'm anything but a rabble-rouser. I think the problem with "Disclosure" is that it never ends or resolves. I suspect it's a "Bottomless-Pit". It probably just gets worse and worse and worse. Just a thought. Please remember that I am not promoting or endorsing a lot of what I post within this thread. I am attempting to provide a selective cross-section of the madness!! Here is something you probably shouldn't read before sleeping (or trying to sleep)!!


    "Don't Look At Me!!"








    http://goaim.org/features/snake-woman/
    Snake Woman
    (aka Femme-Fatale)

    Posted April 8, 2014

    Armed only with the shield of the Lord, two believers visited a woman who was rumored to become a snake and eat people who crossed her. Our workers, armed with the shield of the Lord, bravely enter areas of the world in search of those who have yet to hear of Christ’s transforming and saving grace. Even while facing the devil himself, these workers know that each person matters to God, that they must press on in search of one more person who needs His healing love. One of these workers carried the love of God to just such a person, a woman named Warda (a pseudonym) who was rumored to become a snake and eat people who crossed her. She was accused of having special powers from Iblis (Satan) to kill and cast spells. Everyone feared her, and she was asked not to come to the mosque for prayers.

    Warda began telling people to avoid any interaction with Sabbathkeeping members as these were kaffir (nonbelievers). Soon our members were ostracized during prayers, and no one would talk to them lest they be caught by an evil omen. Our worker, deciding to confront Warda, spent three days in total fasting and prayer, preparing for the difficult visit. On the appointed day she asked a fellow believer to accompany her to Warda’s home, but as they began to talk in the sitting room, Warda started shouting that she could see evil in them and pronounced curses on them. A small crowd formed in the house to watch. The two believers began praying for Allah’s deliverance. Warda excused herself and went to her bedroom while shouting and cursing. Suddenly a huge cobra came slithering out of the bedroom, its mouth open, shouting and cursing in Warda’s voice.

    Our worker immediately pleaded in a loud voice with Allah, reminding Him that He has powers over Iblis. Furthermore, as messengers of Allah, Iblis had no part in them. Would Allah rescue them and deliver Warda? Would He show who was in charge? With a wave of her hand, the worker struck at the hissing cobra’s head. The cobra dodged the strike. Then it turned around and slithered back to the bedroom, still cursing and shouting obscenities to Allah. After a moment of total silence, the sound of a person dying in agony, crying for help, came from the bedroom, followed by a thud and more silence. Still praying and pleading with Allah, the worker entered the bedroom. The snake rose up, fell to the bed and, before the worker’s very eyes, transformed into Warda, convulsing and foaming from the mouth. The worker continued praying for Warda’s deliverance and laid her hand on Warda’s apparently lifeless body. Slowly Warda opened her eyes, smiled, sat up and asked for water. She stood and, hand-in-hand with the worker, walked outside to face a huge crowd that had gathered out of curiosity.

    Restored to her normal self, Warda explained that our worker was a servant of the Most High and described how she had been controlled by unseen powers of evil for several years. Warda had been powerless to leave the demons, but now she was a new person. She thanked our worker for helping her. People gathered to listen to God’s servant, who started by saying she was only a normal human being like them. She explained she had no special powers, but Allah whom she served had supreme power over evil forces. During the next three hours, she delivered an abridged version of the Great Controversy. Warda was delivered, and the people stopped troubling our members. Our new members are now busy conducting studies with many in the community. The end of this story and so many others has yet to be written as our workers continue to seek yet one more person, “not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9, NIV).


    I found it odd that these 'exorcists' used the name 'Allah' rather than 'Jesus'!! A Christian I spoke with about this, didn't seem to think there was a problem with these Christians addressing 'Allah'! How might one verify a story such as this one?? I tend to believe this actually happened -- but I obviously can't prove it. What do you think?? Check this out! http://www.worldslastchance.com/yahuwahs-calendar/the-lunar-sabbath.html


    Saturday Sabbath? Or Lunar Sabbath?

    People in love do everything in their power to please the one they love. This is the natural reaction of the heart that loves. It is not viewed as a duty, but a joy and privilege! This is what the true Sabbath means to all who love their Maker and wish to honor Him. At the very start of the world, the seventh-day was set apart as a day to rest and worship the Creator. Those who value the care showered on them by a loving heavenly Father, want to obey Him and worship Him on the true Sabbath day.

    The question then arises: "Which day is the Bible Sabbath? Which day is the true seventh-day Sabbath of Scripture?" There are many different, widely-held beliefs regarding when to worship. Three of these views are as follows:

    1.Many people believe that there is no need for a specific day of rest since Yahuwah should be worshipped every day.
    2.Saturday sabbatarians believe that because Saturday is the last day of the modern seven-day week, it must be the true seventh-day Sabbath. Because modern weeks cycle continuously, they believe Saturday has come down uninterrupted from Creation as the true seventh-day Sabbath.
    3.Still others believe that an accumulation of Biblical and historical evidence reveals that the true Sabbath can only be found by using the luni-solar calendar used in Bible times.

    While it is true that one should worship every day, the sovereign of the Universe Himself expressly commanded that on the seventh-day, labor is to be set aside and special time spent with Him.  The Sabbath is not just a day of worship.  It is also specifically a day of no labor.  Yahuwah even stated that the Sabbath is a sign between Himself and His children forever.  This article will consider the evidence for whether the true Sabbath is a "Saturday Sabbath" or what is called a "lunar Sabbath."

    "There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years . . . is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation." Counsels to Writers and Editors, p. 35

    For all who want to know truth, there comes a time when the way divides.  Personal prejudice, tradition and preconceived ideas should have no standing in the mind of one wanting to know "the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth."  If the seeker for truth will study with an open mind, being willing to obey what is revealed if he is convicted that it is truth, then truth will be revealed to his mind and he need not remain in error.  This is what is required of all who would study the subject of the true Bible Sabbath.

    Scripture reveals that the entire conflict between the Creator and Satan is contained in the battle over worship.  It is a war for the mind of every man, woman and child alive today.  Therefore, it would be wise for everyone on earth to examine this subject for themselves.  All should study and know for sure whether the true day of worship is a Saturday Sabbath or a Lunar Sabbath.

    Solar? Lunar? or Lunar-Solar?

    If it is important to worship on a specific day (the Sabbath) than it is of vital importance that the correct method of counting be used to find that day. In other words, the correct calendar must be used. Time can only be measured by movement. There are three main types of calendars:

    •Solar calendar (The modern civil calendar, the Gregorian calendar, is a solar calendar.)
    •Lunar calendar (The religious calendar used by Muslims is a lunar calendar.)
    •Luni-solar calendar (This is also sometimes called the Lunar-Solar calendar.)

    History and archeology reveal that all ancient civilizations used luni-solar calendars.  While the Egyptians were the first to adopt a strictly solar calendar, their original calendar was also a lunar-solar calendar.  This ancient and highly accurate method of time calculation ties lunar months to the solar year by some observable point in nature.  

    The movement of the sun, moon and stars are the only accurate measurement of time. Even with modern atomic clocks, all time is measured by the cycles of the heavenly bodies. Days and years are both measured by the rotation of light as viewed from the earth.

    A solar year is 365 days long.  The lunar year is 11 days shorter than the solar year.  Thus, the dates of a strictly lunar calendar float through the seasons of the solar year.  Various cultures that used a lunar-solar calendar, anchored the lunar months to different points in the solar year.  Some, like the ancient Egyptians, used the rising of the star, Sirius, at the time of the summer solstice.  Others, such as the Aztecs and the Maya, used the winter solstice for their new year.  More recently, when France adopted a different calendar during the French Revolution, their year briefly began at the autumn equinox.  (For further information on French and Soviet calendar reform, see Changing Weeks: Hiding Sabbath.)

    Historical evidence shows that by far the majority of ancient calendars began their year in the spring, at or near the time of the spring (vernal) equinox.  The Israelites also used a luni-solar calendar and began their year in the spring.  Both their annual feasts and the seventh-day Sabbath were calculated by the lunar-solar calendar that had been established by the Creator at the very beginning of the world.

    The Lunar Sabbath in Scripture

    The Creator's calendar is a vitally important tool for finding the true seventh-day Sabbath which contains the "seal of Yahuwah": one's pledge of loyalty to the Creator.  Scripture reveals that at Creation, both the sun and the moon were given to provide light as well as the means for marking the passage of time.  The modern solar calendar does not use the moon for keeping time.  Nor does the Hindu or the Muslim lunar calendar use the sun.  Only the ancient lunar-solar calendar meets the criteria of using both the sun and the moon in its system of time-keeping.

    Many people who keep the feast days listed in Leviticus 23 still observe a Saturday sabbath.  They believe that the lunar-solar calendar was used only for the yearly feasts, but that Saturday of the modern solar calendar has come down in a continuous weekly cycle ever since Creation.  But this is two different methods of time-keeping!  Nowhere in Scripture are two separate and distinct systems of time-keeping mentioned.  At Creation, one calendar was established and it required the use of both the sun and the moon.

    And . . . [Yahuwah] said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:  And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.  And . . . [Yahuwah] made two great lights; . . . [And He] set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness.  (Genesis 1:14-18, KJV.)

    The Creator's designated system of time-keeping uses both the sun and the moon for tracking time. Right in this passage, in the very first chapter of the first book of the Bible, the principle is established that the two great lights were to be used for marking the time for worship and as a sign, or mark of loyalty to the Creator.  The word translated "signs" comes from the Hebrew word ôwth, which means a sign or mark.  "This word represents something by which a person or group is characteristically marked.  . . . The word means 'sign' as a reminder of one's duty." (See #226, The New Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words.)

    The Sabbath is the sign by which the Creator's people are marked and set apart as different from all others on earth.  The Hebrew word that is translated "seasons" is even more revealing. It is the word mo'ed. It is the use of this word that reveals the true Sabbath of Creation is reckoned by the moon. Mo'ed is the word used specifically to refer to the annual feasts.

    Since the Jewish festivals occurred at regular intervals, this word becomes closely identified with them . . . Mo'ed is used in a broad sense for all religious assemblies. It was closely associated with the tabernacle itself . . . [Yahuwah] met Israel there at specific times for the purpose of revealing His will. It is a common term for the worshiping assembly of . . . [Yahuwah's] people. (See #4150, "Lexical Aids to the Old Testament," Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study Bible, KJV.)

    Far from presenting two different systems of time-keeping, Scripture presents only one: the lunar-solar calendar by which the annual feasts as well as the seventh-day Sabbath, are to be calculated.  Leviticus 23 is a listing of the holy feasts of Yahuwah.  From the Spring Anniversaries to the Fall Feasts, Leviticus 23 delineates them all out.  But the very first "feast" listed is the weekly feast: the seventh-day Sabbath.

    And . . . [Yahuwah] spoke unto Moses, saying, "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of . . . [Yahuwah], which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.  Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation.  You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of . . . [Yahuwah] in all your dwellings."  (Leviticus 23:1-3)

    From there, Yahuwah went on to list the annual feasts (or mo'edim) but the very first feast He gave was the seventh-day Sabbath.

    Lunar Sabbath: A holy day of rest, it is the seventh and last day of each week in a lunation. The weekly cycle restarts with each New Moon.  Four complete weeks follow New Moon Day. Psalm 104:19 is yet another witness from Scripture that the seventh-day Sabbath is to be calculated by the moon:
    "He appointed [created] the moon for seasons." (Psalm 104:19, KJV)

    The word here translated  "seasons" is, again, mo'edim.  The Biblical record is consistent: there is only one method of time-keeping presented in scripture.  That is the lunar-solar calendar established by Yahuwah Himself at Creation.  This calendar establishes all of the times appointed for worship, the mo'edim.

    The Lunar-Solar Calendar of Scripture

    The first day of the month on the luni-solar calendar is New Moon Day.  (For use of the term "New Moon" in Scripture, see: I Samuel 20:5, 18 & 24; 2 Kings 4:23; Psalm 81:3; Isaiah 66:23; Ezekiel 46:1; and Amos 8:5.)

    Luni-solar calendar - calculating the lunar sabbath

    On the ancient calendar, the seventh-day Sabbath always falls on the same dates of every month. On the Biblical lunar-solar calendar, each lunation (or lunar month) always begins with a New Moon day, which is in a class of worship day all by itself.  Six work days follow on the second through seventh of the month.  The seventh-day Sabbath always falls on the 8th, the 15th, the 22nd and the 29th of every lunar month.

    Scripture itself supports this calendar configuration.  Every time the seventh-day Sabbath is given a numbered date in the Bible, it always falls on the 8th, the 15th, the 22nd or the 29th of the month.  Either the actual date itself is assigned or contextual dates and other details consistently allow for that extrapolation.  For example, the story of the Exodus from Egypt contains specific dates and details for three months in a row, all of which have the seventh-day Sabbath falling on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th for each month!  These calendar details were confirmed 40 years later at the time of Joshua and again at the crucifixion of the Saviour on Passover.

    As mentioned previously, the lunar year is shorter than the solar year and without some means of anchoring the lunar months to the solar year, the seasons would float through the calendar.  The true New Year could not begin until after the old solar year had finished (at the vernal equinox).  Thus, every two to three years, an extra thirteenth month was intercalated into the year.  This was called an embolismic year, because an entire additional month was added to bring the lunations back into alignment with the seasons.  Ezekiel provides scriptural proof for the thirteenth month used in embolismic years. (See: Ezekiel's 13th Month.)

    The lunar-solar calendar of Creation is the most accurate method of time-keeping.  It is elegant, precise.  It is divinely designed time-keeping.  Jeremiah 31:35 refers to Yahuwah giving the "ordinances" (or laws) of the moon.  The ordinances of divine time-keeping are so simple that the shepherd on the hillside can be as accurate by observation, as the astronomer in his observatory is by calculation.  Even the count to Pentecost, which has long confused people because the two specifics of the count seem contradictory, can be accurately figured only by using the lunar-solar calendar.

    Jews and the Sabbath

    Jewish scholars admit that the calendar they now use is not the calendar of Scripture. While it is true that the Jews today worship on a Saturday sabbath, this does not prove that it is the true Sabbath. They did not always worship on the Saturday sabbath. Jewish scholars are very clear that the original method of calendation was different from the modern calendar and that under intense persecution during the fourth century A.D., the Jews gave up their original lunar-solar calendar.

    Declaring the new month by observation of the new moon, and the new year by the arrival of spring, can only be done by the Sanhedrin. In the time of Hillell II [4th century C.E.], the last President of the Sanhedrin, the Romans prohibited this practice. Hillel II was therefore forced to institute his fixed calendar, thus in effect giving the Sanhedrin's advance approval to the calendars of all future years. ("The Jewish Calendar and Holidays (incl. Sabbath)": The Jewish Calendar; Changing the Calendar, www.torah.org, emphasis supplied.)

    The New Moon is still, and the Sabbath originally was, dependent upon the lunar cycle. (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 410) Once the ancient lunar-solar calendar had been set aside, knowledge of the true Sabbath was lost with the acceptance of the pagan Julian calendar. The stone fragments of an early Julian calendar clearly show an eight-day week. The Israelites did not use the Julian calendar for finding the seventh-day Sabbath. They used the original lunar-solar calendar of Creation.

    Lunar Sabbath Lost

    The calendar of the Roman Republic, like that of the Hebrew calendar, was also a lunar-solar calendar.  In 45-46 B.C., Julius Cæsar reformed the original Roman calendar and, with the help of an Alexandrian astronomer, Sosigenes, created a new solar calendar with continuously cycling weeks: the Julian calendar.  While the Julian calendar was in use at the time of the Messiah, the Israelites did not use it as the early Julian week was eight days long!  The Israelites were still using their original lunar solar calendar and worshipping on the seventh day of its week.

    From that time, until the fourth century, Israelites and apostolic Christians continued to use the Biblical calendar for their religious observances.  With the rising power of the paganized Christians in Rome, this led to a centuries long battle over when to remember the death and resurrection of the Saviour.  The Christians in Rome wished to celebrate the Messiah's resurrection on the pagan Easter.  Apostolic Christians, on the other hand, wished to commemorate Yahushua's death on the original Passover.

    The point of contention appeared deceptively simple: Passover versus Easter.  The issues at stake, however, were immense.  The only way to determine when Passover occurs is to use the Biblical luni-solar calendar . . .

    Calendars calculate time and at the Council of Nicæa it was decided to set aside Jewish calculation and adopt the pagan Julian calendar.  This effectively destroyed knowledge of the true Sabbath and substituted the pagan Saturday Sabbath in its place.  Jewish scholars admit this fact, too.

    In a colorful description of the Council of Nicæa, Jewish scholar Heinrich Graetz wrote:

    At the Council of Nice [sic] the last thread was snapped which connected Christianity to its parent stock.  The festival of Easter had up till now been celebrated for the most part at the same time as the Jewish Passover, and indeed upon the days calculated and fixed by the Synhedrion [Sanhedrin] in Judæa for its celebration; but in future its observance was to be rendered altogether independent of the Jewish calendar . . . .  (History of the Jews, published by the Jewish Publication Society of America, 1893, Vol. II, see pp. 563-564.)

    The Council of Nicæa had the most profound, far reaching effect upon the true Sabbath.  To this day Catholic scholars base the authority of the Catholic Church on this act of changing the Sabbath from the true Sabbath of the lunar-solar calendar to Sunday on the continuously cycling Julian week.  The pagan Julian calendar, legislated into place, an entire counterfeit system of religion.  Thus the true Sabbath was buried under centuries of tradition and the assumption that the modern week has cycled continuously ever since Creation.

    Repair the Breach: Restore the Lunar Sabbath

    Isaiah 58 contains a beautiful prophecy of the work to be performed by the final generation. "And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in." (Isaiah 58:12)

    The three angels' messages of Revelation 14 contain a call to worship on the true Sabbath of Scripture. This is the work of those who have pledged their allegiance to the Creator by worshipping Him on His true holy day, the true Bible Sabbath. To repair the hole made in Yahuwah's law, to clear away the rubbish of error and tradition, accumulated from centuries of assumption, is the great work committed to the people of the final generation. Revelation contains a three-fold warning, calling all to "Fear . . . [Yahuwah], and give glory to him . . . and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (See Revelation 14:6-10.)

    This subject is of the utmost importance to all now living. The true Sabbath is the mark of loyalty that distinguishes those who are willing to obey from those who cling to tradition and assumption. All should study the subject of the lunar Sabbath, the related facts of calendar history, and pertinent passages from the Bible. The Battle of Armageddon, like everything else in the long-running war between Yahuwah and Lucifer, is fought on the battlefield of worship.

    All who desire to honor their Creator will choose to worship Him on the day that He has blessed and set aside: the seventh day of the week on the lunar-solar calendar, the true lunar Sabbath.


    Here is a counter point of view. http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/lunar-sabbath.htm And another. http://www.eliyah.com/lunarsabbath.html I have no problem with the basic Sabbath concept -- yet the Bible is surprisingly vague and contradictory regarding a Day of Worship -- and Church Attendance -- which applies to everyone. Then, where is a Liturgy or Order of Worship in scripture (other than in the Torah)?? Every religion has a system which must be adhered to -- with critical questions frowned upon. What does a careful reading of Job through Romans reveal regarding the Sabbath, the Substitutionary-Atonement, and the Law of God?? I am very serious about reading Job through Romans -- straight-through -- over and over. You might be very surprised by what emerges!! It certainly doesn't promote or reinforce the comprehensive teachings of any church I am aware of!! I'm NOT against Paul -- but don't Acts and Romans contain enough Paul?? Isn't Romans the strongest Pauline-Epistle?? Why should Paul dominate the New Testament -- and have veto-power over the 26 Pre-Pauline biblical-books I just referred to?? Once again, I am not trying to convert anyone. I am not trying to get people to join churches -- or leave churches. I'm not trying to start a church -- although some might argue that I'm trying to 'start something'!!! Is the Sabbath moral or ceremonial?? Is Deuteronomy moral or ceremonial?? Can the Ten Commandments be accepted -- while simultaneously rejecting the rest of Deuteronomy?? Does the entirety of Deuteronomy determine what the Ten Commands Meant?? In Deuteronomy -- who is being commanded?? Was Deuteronomy a result of the 'hardness of their hearts' rather than being eternal and universal in nature?? Try reading Patriarchs and Prophets -- followed by Job through Romans -- followed by Desire of Ages. Does this study yield Seventh-day Adventism as taught and practiced historically and presently?? They have Revelation Seminars -- but what about Job Seminars -- Psalms Seminars -- Isaiah Seminars -- Matthew Seminars -- John Seminars -- or Romans Seminars?? Just a thought. What if ALL Religions and Churches are subsidiaries of the Roman Catholic Church?? What if the Holy Bible is a Galactic IQ-Test (especially regarding Honesty and Responsibility)?? What if the Holy Bible is Religion for Dummies?? What if the God of This World wishes to precipitate a Final-Jihad of Mutual-Slaughter?? I truly mean no harm in asking these questions. Wait a minute. Yes I do!!!


    magamud wrote:
    Our world is run by mad scientist.  Hard to believe, but there it is...  Makes sense in that double think way.  
    We esteem them as the highest of reason yet they also destroy the world we live in.  Its alive?
    What if an Ancient-Scientist pretended to be mad -- inventing dangerous and forbidden technology (including genetic-engineering, nuclear-weapons, and supercomputers) -- and purposely lost a star-war (faking their own destruction) -- so as to allow a bitter rival to do their dirty-work for thousands (or millions) of years -- and then unexpectedly reemerging -- regaining control of everything (and everyone?) they owned and created in antiquity (and more)??!! What if that hypothetical mad-scientist was Lilith??!! What if Lilith is alive and well -- living within this solar system presently??!! As strange as it might seem -- I have even imagined being a Lilith-Character -- and I have speculated that Dr. Who is really a Lilith-Character!! Get it?? What does an owl say?? Didn't Dr. Who travel throughout the galaxy -- rather than being restricted to Earth??!! An internet-poster once told me "You can go anywhere -- but we have to stay here" (or something to that effect)!! What if I'm exposing and damning myself by attempting to be an open and honest "Good-Guy"??!! As we drove down the highway, one dark night, the Ancient Egyptian Deity spoke of a war (implying they were the winner -- and I were the loser)!! A complete-stranger once told me "You did good -- for a loser!" Another complete stranger told me "You're Good!" The AED said "You need more confidence" -- "Your bad-side will manifest itself" -- and "In twenty-years you'll be working for us"!! I wish I were just making this stuff up. I really do. What if Pinky and the Brain are BOTH Insane-Brains (but in very different ways)?? What if this universe really is stranger than we CAN Think??!! What Would JBS Haldane Say??
    orthodoxymoron wrote:I found part three to be most interesting -- but I can't remember why!! I'll have to watch it again! I never know how much of this stuff is true. How is one to know?? I mostly use these types of interviews to make me think -- rather than becoming a true-believer -- and attending the expensive seminars (and buying all the books and DVD's). I recently bought some old DVD's of movies from the 60's, 70's, and 80's -- which have nothing to do with what I study on the internet!! I could imagine encountering someone such as Ashayana on a spaceship -- in an underground-base -- or on the moon!! I don't know if that would be a good-thing or a bad-thing!! My present policy is to never go into any of those environments (despite my modeling and joking). BTW -- I know someone who looks a lot like Ashayana!! You don't suppose...





    Sorry for this chopped-up crazy post -- but I'm not feeling well at all today. I'm going to try to give it a rest for a few days. I've had more than enough -- and I can't take much more of this madness. BTW -- I keep looking for Blood Feud (with Robert Blake) and The Word (Irving Wallace) in affordable DVD format. I thought they were both excellent when I saw them on TV many years ago. Has anyone seen them?? Oh, I forgot that you're not talking to me. You know -- that's the one thing which really scares me -- We Can't Even Talk to Each Other. Some of us have been on the same goddamn forums for many years now -- and we still can't (or won't) communicate in a reasonable and rational manner (if at all). This is a Very Bad Sign. What if souls can incarnate into supercomputers?? I really feel as if we are all in the eye of a very nasty perfect storm (which has everything to do with out of control technology). I fear that the disillusionment, disorientation, devastation, and enslavement (which we might face in the near future) will be irreversibly destructive to humanity -- especially if ET (who might hate the human race with an ancient and unbridled vengeance) is in the driver's-seat of this Brave New World. One claiming to be an Ancient Egyptian Deity told me that "The Human Race is Screwed". You might think I'm crazy -- or that the AED was lying to me -- but our conversations scared the hell out of me -- and I think we were just getting acquainted (and just scratching the surface). When I joke about living in a Room with a View with a Cray -- I'm really not joking. This would be my feeble attempt to keep up with the madness -- but I don't think I can keep up -- and I certainly wouldn't be capable of reversing what appears to be the Controlled-Demolition of the Human-Race. A Benevolent Socialist Theocracy MIGHT Work -- but it is highly-likely that such a plan would quickly morph into a Malevolent and Exploitive Worker's-Hell. What if Centralized Secret Governance is Evil and Reprehensible?? What if Centralized Secret Governance is the Only Form of Governance Which Actually Works?? I keep modeling an idealistic United States of the Solar System -- yet I have not divorced this concept from some sort of Theocratic Guiding-Hand -- or some type of Solar System CEO. This passive study has been (and is) more disillusioning and upsetting than I could've possibly imagined just a few years ago. If I were some variety of Token Nice-Guy Solar System Observer, I doubt that I'd survive for more than a couple of days in the Centralized Solar System War Room which I suspect exists (and has existed for a very long time). I'm almost ready to check myself into the Bethesda Naval Hospital (into a Penthouse-Suite with a Cray-Supercomputer and Window-Bars)....but Siriusly....if you think I'm crazy....watch these videos!!!!

















    "Just Give Me a Room with a View with a Cray -- along with a Sexy Sex-Therapist!!"
    "Dr. Zdrock to the Penthouse!! STAT!!"


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:42 pm

    Thank-you magamud. Decades ago, I spoke with Dr. A. Graham Maxwell, on many occasions. Once, I suggested that Seventh-day Adventism was a Religion of Responsibility!! Dr. Maxwell approved. On another occasion, he suggested (regarding the Father and the Son) that the Father should be listened-to most carefully. I was somewhat shocked, but I didn't say anything. More recently, I have been looking especially closely at Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Isaiah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John -- as approximating what the One-God wished to communicate (historically) to the human-family regarding the way things were supposed to be. A major problem with the Bible is regarding who really wrote it -- and under what circumstances. Another problem -- is we don't know what the major characters really looked-like or sounded-like. Yet another problem is that we don't know how much of the Bible is absolute-history relative to historical-fiction. We also don't know how much redacting, subversion, destruction, etc. has occurred relative to original sacred texts. What if the God of This World was the Editor in Chief of Holy-Writ??!! What if the God of This World is the Chairman (or Chairwomen?) of the Board of ALL Religions and Churches??!! Perhaps we'll NEVER Know what REALLY Occurred in Antiquity!! I continue to suggest studying Theology -- Science -- and Science-Fiction (in equal proportions) regardless of whether it makes us happy or not. What might truly damn humanity is the lack of Honest Research and Reflection!! What was it Jesus said about 'Believing a Lie'??? Are the Atheists, Agnostics, and True-Believers REALLY Honest regarding Genesis through Revelation??? Strict-Honesty is generally an excellent way to get divorced, excommunicated, demoted, fired, black-listed, and red-listed. Honestly!! Dr. Louis Venden told me "Don't be Too Definite. People Who are Too Definite Go Off!" So -- what did I do?? I went off -- and I stayed off!! You'd better be careful not to set me off!! I might be an Ancient Bad@$$ Star-Warrior!!! Perhaps that's why the NSA didn't respond to my FoIA!!! "Don't tell him anything -- and don't make him mad!! Understood??!!" One more thing. I have recently suggested that the 2300 day-years of Daniel 8:14 MIGHT be 168 BC to 2133 AD -- with the Millenium extending from 1133 AD to 2133 AD. If so -- what if this Millenium is essentially a Teutonic-Templar or Teutonic-Zionist phenomenon (within the context of a 2300 year Roman-Empire [Pagan and Papal])??!! The termination of the 2300 day-years involves cleansing, vindication, and restoration. This really sounds like the End of Life as We Know It -- doesn't it??!! What if William Miller was more correct than we give him credit?? What if the Jehovah's Witnesses are more correct than we give them credit (at least in regard to a soon-coming Kingdom)??!! But what if that Kingdom will begin in 2133?? What if virtually EVERYTHING will be made-right at that point?? I frankly have no idea. I really don't -- but I frankly question ALL of the Eschatology Teaching!!! Shouldn't we question EVERYTHING (especially the Most Important Subjects Imaginable)??!!















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    Post  magamud on Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:27 pm

    the Father should be listened-to most carefully.
    The Father is the wisdom amongst infinity, the complexity within the simplicity. If you know the Father you will know the Son and you will know the holy spirit. What I'm finding is if you do not know how Jesus body is within this world, people will displace that knowledge into other narrative therefor displacing their bodies somewhere else. Like this light body stuff with "New Agers". There really not grounded in the body, and some don't really like the body and want to turn into light and not reincarnate etc....

    The body of flesh and blood is very, very, very, holy. Its the next level of evolution to have your body with everlasting life. Thats the thing with Sin and Death.

    as approximating what the One-God wished to communicate (historically) to the human-family regarding the way things were supposed to be

    Its in the 10 commandments. The problem is the simplicity of the message, which comes from its singular source the Kingdom. This simplicity shows the grace and wisdom of the Father amongst the complexity of his creation. The Devil just loves to obfuscate and give numerous other roads. Its very similar to a compass. The Kingdom is due north.

    A major problem with the Bible is regarding who really wrote it
    The Father wrote it, but you have to discern the Kingdom amongst the Devils world. This is the parable with the two lights?

    is we don't know what the major characters really looked-like or sounded-like
    Yes we do. They are going through the same thing I am going through, the same thing they were going through the same thing everyone goes through when they meet at the Crossroads. Its a timeless adventure.. Eternal?

    Yet another problem is that we don't know how much of the Bible is absolute-history relative to historical-fiction
    If you know about the crossroads it is then easy to sift out the parables and find moral of the stories.

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    Thank-you magamud. I wonder how much of the Torah (including the Ten-Commandments) was commanded out of the "Hardness of Our Hearts" -- and how much of the Torah (To Amen-Ra??) is Universal and Eternal?? How much of the Torah is significantly discussed in the rest of the Holy Bible??? Can one honestly divorce the Decalogue from the Pentateuch?? I'm merely suggesting that we have a Legal-Problem and a Theological-Problem of Biblical-Proportions!! I suspect that the City-State Theologians and the Moon-Theologians (Moonies) know that 99.9% of us Don't Know!! Thinking One Knows -- and Knowing -- are Two Very Different Things!!












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    Post  magamud on Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:07 pm

    Well eternal life would be boring if you could not be fooled? And that is whats going on here. Our logos, our awareness amongst eternity. And your disposition or power is the truth to it. In all of Gods wisdom he is with you. The word aligns with Kingdom which is a logos where all spring forth. So if you do not know yourself, yes there will be much confusion. I would suggest you hold steadfast and do good works within your sphere. Plenty of ways to help the poor. So in other words, keep it simple. So if you feed the poor, you will be open to the Fathers grace. Jesus shows he can lift sin.

    There is a legion of "Gods". I don't really think of them as gods. They have the same mindset as a lost mortal but within a different paradigm of physics. Out of desperation, they infect mortals unbeknownst and play their little games to procrastinate the inevitable dawn of Jesus glory.
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    Thank-you magamud. All I know is that I know that I don't know. I simply suspect good-guys and bad-guys in ALL factions (human and otherwise), races (human and otherwise), and religions (humans and otherwise). What if there are Renate Richter and Klaus Adler factions of Teutonic-Zionism within the context of the Roman-Empire within the context of the Babylonian-Egyptian-Israel Empire within the context of the Orion-Sirius Empire??!! Once again, I know that I don't know. I'll simply attempt to retain a sense of Responsible-Neutrality. Please watch and listen to all of the videos in the last couple of posts. We might ALL be some really nasty souls in a really nasty universe!! This thing might NEVER Be Resolved!!!




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    Post  magamud on Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:47 pm

    This is an eternal cycle and within each harvest people sift much like a bell shaped curve I suspect. The interesting thing of note, is that some here will move on to cosmic incarnations, but yet will be within the crossroads dynamic again. Perhaps I will see them when they come back around again.

    Again there is the legion, so the expression of it is interesting but it all stems from the Kingdom, so once you have seed one you have seen them all i suppose.

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    Thank-you magamud. Will those who Cosmically-Incarnate be Humans, Reptilians, Hybrids, Angels -- or None of the Above??? I am presently suspecting that the 'Harvest' is an 'Extermination'. I get the distinct impression that we CAN'T All Get Along...






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    Post  magamud on Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:27 pm

    There is an infinite amount of variance to the incarnation possibility.  Your core energy drives your manifestation.  Yes that would make sense you see the Harvest as a extermination or the Word as male unbridled authority.  The two lights?  Am I racist?  A sexist?  What Jesus was saying about the women being male to get into the kingdom is easy.  The woman is more connected to mana since she can give birth so men are more connected to spirit in a sense.  What happens is woman who don't know themselves sublimate the shadow into feminism, chauvinism, equality, etc...  This is not the case at all, its just how the physics of truth work in the world and how your energy manifests.  We could easily get along if we were humble and just stick to shepherding the planet, you know taking care of each other the planet etc....Im sure there are other planets where its easier and not so much of the devil's playground with Babylon.  That is why the Father calls this place Jerusalem.  He gives us more care since its the devil world for now.  Or in other words he gives us his mercy with the Harvest.

    So what happens is some people are not ready to hear the word, but they have attained enough power for cosmic consciousness. This board suits that well. The whole thing is pretty exquisite. Any benevolent cosmic being will eventually come to where we are now with the crossroads. So in this time they will definitely let the Son lead as he is the most wise. Which is flesh and blood with cosmic power. He holds the octave together, but stems from the one source which is the Kingdom. This is the place where the evolution of goodness resides. I suspect the many avatars that are here will continue their independent ways until they cannot resist the truth no longer. At that time they face the crossroads of their own vanity and believe me there is a lot of temptation. So if you think this stuff is hard here on mortal earth. Wait until you go through Cosmic duality. Wheww. This is where a lot of my passion comes from to warn those, but it is what it is...
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:41 pm

    Thank-you magamud. I keep wondering why Earth is the Devil-World?! Did the Devil win a war, an election, or the heart and soul of a significant being?? Someone seems to have authorized this madness -- with no one really attempting to stop it (in any significantly effective manner). I keep suspecting that the Creator got demoted, defeated, destroyed, and exiled in antiquity -- with humanity paying a very heavy price for thousands of years. Read The Invisible War by Donald Grey Barnhouse for some interesting insights regarding why we are in the mess we're in!!
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Interesting thread!! Consider reading the book Daniel by Dr. Desmond Ford. It's sort of on your intellectual level -- but I don't know if that's a good-thing or not!! Shiloh, I'm quoting your last post on my United States of the Solar System thread. I hope you don't mind. I like including that sort of thing on my thread!! I've recently speculated that the 2300 day-years of Daniel 8:14 spans 168 BC to 2133 AD -- with the Millenium commencing in 1133 AD!! What do you think about THAT??!!
    shiloh wrote:
    RedEzra wrote:Hi much good info Shiloh.

    Xerxes I of Persia was assassinated in August 465 BC by the commander of the royal bodyguard Artabanus the most powerful official in the Persian court. And Artabanus was reportedly Regent of Persia for a few months before Artaxerxes I son of Xerxes assumed the kingship.

    Sextus Julius Africanus wrote a history of the world "Chronographiai" from Creation to the year AD 221 covering according to his computation 5723 years. Copious extracts from it can be found in the Chronicon of Eusebius and here the 20th year of Artaxerxes I is dated to Olympiad 83 year 4 which we know was from July 445 BC to July 444 BC which would place Nehemiah's Nisan or Spring in 444 BC.

    newadvent.org/fathers/0614.htm
    "For from Nehemiah, who was dispatched by Artaxerxes to build Jerusalem in the 115th year of the Persian empire, and the 4th year of the 83d Olympiad, and the 20th year of the reign of Artaxerxes himself, up to ibis date, which was the second year of the 202d Olympiad, and the 16th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar,"

    Also worth noticing here is the correlation between the 16th year of Tiberius with Olympiad 202 year 2 which we know was from July 30 AD to July 31 AD. According to the gospel of Luke John the Baptist began his mission in the 15th year of Tiberius and Jesus was about 30 years old at that time.

    There is a "parable of the barren fig tree" told by Jesus in Luke 13:6-9 which hints to the cursing of the fig tree and His crucifixion in His 4th spring season. Also there was a partial blood moon rising like a cup right after sunset 14 Nisan (3 April) 33 AD.


    What day did Jesus die ? Friday ! as Mark 15:42 plainly states.

    "Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath," - Mark 15:42

    The original Greek word for "Preparation Day" is "παρασκευή" and anybody can go to Google translate and type in "Friday" and let it translate into Greek and see it is the original Greek word for Friday.

    So since Jesus was crucified on 14 Nisan (3 April) 33 AD and was 30 years old in 29 AD then He must have been born in 2 BC.

    There was a close conjunction between Jupiter and Venus in Leo which lit up the western evening sky on 17 June 2 BC and this was probably the guiding star to the wise men from the east which set them packing and on their way westwards. Jupiter was seen above Bethlehem from Jerusalem unobstructed from moonlight as it was a new moon on 25 December 2 BC. And there was a total lunar eclipse seen from Judea on 10 Jan 1 BC which must be the eclipse mentioned by Josephus when king Herod was in Jericho and soon died there before Passover 1 BC.
    Jupiter began its first of three conjunctions with Regulus in Leo on Rosh Hashana the Jewish new year in 3 BC and if the wise men looking for the new King told Herod about this in December 2 BC then this was probably the reason why the babes in Bethlehem 2 years and younger was put to death. It is indicated by the Nativity that Jesus was born on the fall Feast of Tabernacles which began 15 Tishri (13 October) 2 BC and on that day Jupiter conjuncted again with Venus this time in Virgo.


    Good information redezra indeed, which can be considered or ignored to anyone's choices and inclinations.
    I can see, that your information derives from divers sources, albeit associated with various researches into the historical congruences and possible verifications of the scripture accounts.
    Your data on the lunar cycles, eclipses and the chronologies of the ancient Persian kings and the general observance of the Jewish  festivals can certainly be checked and verified to a rather greater extent then the extrapolations of the scriptural encodings by the 'new testament churches' and groups, following their own particular interpretations.

    Herod died in 4BC, according to the historians consensus not biased by particular scripture code superpositions, such as the 2300, 1290 and 1260 'time for a year' encoding patterns as say defined in the Book of Daniel and many well meaning, but distorted attempts have been made throughout the last 2 millennia and centuries to relate the 490 day-week-years to the 2300 days, especially by the SDA bible students and interpreters.

    I can tell you, that there are certain codes, which were not be able to become 'revealed' until the 'times of the end' and the 'shortening of days', such as encoded in Daniel.12; Matthew.24 and in Revelation 10. Why do you think Jesus revers to the 'Flood of Noah' in Matthew.24 as a allegory to those 'last shortened' days?
    It is because there is just such an encoding keys related to the 'shortening of days' and referring to this strange code of the entire old world being covered by 15 cubits of water.

    You mention the fig tree prophecy and attempt to relate it to the Jewish seasons? Can you then 'discover' that the 2300 days clearly refer to a 'cleansing by water' in Daniel.8.14 and also Daniel.9.26 with Matthew.24.37-40 and Genesis.7.19-20.


    Daniel 8:14 (KJV)
    14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

    Daniel.9.26
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    Matthew.24.37-40
    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Genesis.7.19-20
    19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
    20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

    Now you did not see those encoding patterns before, wether on the www or from some historical account from whichever NT denomination and the reason for this is, that certain details regarding the congruences between the OT and the NT were sealed until the Logos of all worlds would release them and as encoded in Revelation 10 as a continuance of Zechariah 4.

    So how are the 2300 days of Daniel 8 related to Noah's flood, clearly invoked by Jesus in Matthew 24 and as clearly taken into account in Daniel.9?

    Here is the key, you can of course ignore or propagate to your heart's inclinations. But recall the 'Choices of the heart' as decoded in the Book of Isaiah, which was Jesus 'Instruction mission manual' by the way.

    First of all the controversy about the day for a year principle of Ezekiel 4 is far deeper, than the pundits old and new envison.
    It is used as the Time=360 days of course, but also simply defines a 'cycle of time'. So the seventy sevens are indeed 490 years AND they are also literally 490 days in the 'shortening of days' as one key of the 'Sermon of the Mount of Olives'.

    The 'shortening of days' refers most decisively to the day for a year for a Hour principle. And this is why the 'Judgement of Babylon' relates to the 'Day' as the 'Hour' of the Beast etc. It also describes a 'doubling of sorrows' of Babylon in Revelation.18.

    The ancient time chronos simply related 24 hours as 12 hours of a day and 12 hours of a night to 1 day AS 1 year.
    Then the simple proportion gives you that 1 'Hour' to the day is like 15 days to a year in 360 days/(1 day = 24 Hours)=15 days/1 Hour or simply 360/24=15/1. This code also relates to the 'Euphrates prophecy' of Revelation.9.14 and of the four angels at the corners of the earth being prepared for a year and a month and a day and a hour and the 'about half an hour of silence in heaven' in Revelation.8.1. All those apparent 'details' are more than whimsicalities of the authors as you might or might not be able to discern.

    This 'shortening of ALL prophetic timelines' manifested itself on the now infamous December 21st, 2012 nexus date.

    And the Mayan calendar and the pyramid inch measurements of Khufu do support this date, but are not actually required.

    The December 21st, 2012 date naturally crystallizes from the ratio of the inner court and outer court coded in Revelation 11 and in the scale of the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21.
    1600 furlongs/12,000 furlongs give you the 'Frequency of the New heavenly City' as 1/7.5, which is simply the perimeter of the planet earth traversed 7½ times by a beam of light. In more technical terms, it is called the base Schumann harmonic of the planetary atmosphere. I have published a detailed scientific description on this elsewhere on the forum.
    But twice 7.5 is of course 15 and half the ransom money of Jesus as 30 silver pieces and the 'hire' of Hosea's harlot in 15 silver pieces to instruct the 'prophets' and including Jesus as their culminating collective as to bridge the OT covenant of Moses and Abraham into a new Noahic covenant of the 'Old Harlot City Jerusalem' becoming 'reformed' into the 'Bride of the New Jerusalem'.

    There are many details, you can find about those correctly applied encoding patterns.
    In particular adding 1600 days as the measurement of the 'outer defiled court' from the 'day of the blessings' which becomes 'timewarped' onto August 4th 2008 will lead you to December 21st, 2012 as a 'Mirror of Time' between the 'long days' and the 'short days'. You can also then describe an overall 'global evolotion' of the 'Logos timelines' with respect to the 'inner court' of 12,000 days of having begun September 27th 1975 in its planetary context of finally fulfilling the 'endtime prophecies'.

    Some 'New Age followers' and others might also relate the August 4th day as relating to the birthday of the encumbent USA president as perhaps relating to the destruction of the 2nd temple of Solomon by Titus on August 4th 70AD Julian.

    One major one, which also includes the 'doubling' of the 'saints about the throne of the ancients' as 10,000 times 10,000 in both Daniel.7.10 and again in Revelation.5.11 and then to 200 million in Revelation.9.16 as the 'army of God' is the 'Secret of the 1335 days' in Daniel.12.

    1335+1335=2670=2300+370!

    Now if you closely decode the timeline of Noah, you will find the following day pattern and delineation of dating codes:
    7 days to build the ark followed by 40 days of 'rains from above and below' followed by 110 days of 'rising waters' followed by 74 days until the 'Peak of Mount Ararat' is seen for the ark to rest upon, followed by 40 days of Noah 'waiting in the Ark' followed by 7 days of the raven with the dove returning followed by 7 days of the dove finding new land followed by 36 days of 'Uncovering' the Ark followed by 56 days to Noah's rainbow covenant with god in a new World.

    All up you have 7 days of preparation, which many correctly associate with the 70th week of Dabniel.29 and then you have the 370 days of the 'cleansing of the sanctuary' encoded in Daniel.8.

    And redezra, you will not find this decoding anywhere on this planet and the reason for this is found in the following stipendium and is not personally associated with any individual, but is of a more intricate logistic origin.


    1 Corinthians 13:9-11
    King James Version (KJV)

    9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
    10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
    11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.


    More facts about Jesus of Nazareth.  He was born March equinox 6BC and 6 months after his cousin John the Baptist was born in September 7BC.
    Jesus was baptized August 4th 28AD in the river Jordan and was then 33 years old in the 15th year of Tiberius, who reigned from 14AD as preceps from historical sources dating to September 18th Julian. One can debate if August 4th then refers to his 14th or 15th year but September 18th, 14AD+14 years = September 18th, 28AD and Tiberius was 'quasi regent' with Augustus from 12AD.

    Now the baptism of Jesus 'officially' in prophetic fulfilment terms, began his 'Mission of Redemption' he knew not only as pre-incarnated Logos of all Worlds, but also in decoding the Torah with emphasis on the prophetic books and the Creation account of Genesis with his own mission described in the Book of Isaiah.
    Jesus was 30 years old in March 25AD and at a precise starting point of the 2300+370=1335+1335 days; the 1335th day became August 4th, 28AD as the 'blessing from above' encoded by the 'dove from heaven' at the river Jordan.

    So the common perception that 'Jesus began his mission at age 30' must be qualified in this 'doubling' of the overall prophetic-historical timeline in the gospels and the New Testament.
    Jesus 'knew' his apostles before his baptism. They were his friends and acquaintances BEFORE he took upon himself the task to fulfil the mission of his cousin John Ben Zacharias and Elisabeth.
    So for 1335 days Jesus 'prepared' himself in what was by then the Essene community, to whom his family and that of Zacharias and also Joseph of Arithemea belonged to.
    1335 days from August 4th 28AD will bring you to the Passover time of 31AD, with March 27th the Passover full moon and April 1st 31AD the Sunday of the Resurrection following a 'High Sabbath' of Thursday, March 29th 31AD and a normal 'Sabbath' of march 31st, 31AD. The 'Day of Preparation for the Thursday 'Great Sabbath'' so was March 28th 31AD.
    3 days and 3 nights, meaning 72 hours are required for Jesus to give his 'one and only sign' to the Pharisees and Sadducees:


    Matthew 12:38-40 (KJV)
    38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
    39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
    40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    Counting from Friday to Sunday, nevertheless particular lexicons and translations between words used to convey the stories; does not give you the 72 hours minimum stipulated by Jesus himself and in preference to any reteller or recaller of the words he spoke to describe his nous and deeds and understanding cosmic.

    Be well redezra and follow your path, using any information you might find to further your endeavours!

    shilohaplace

    An Esoteric Perspective from a Cosmic Level on a Personally Individualistic World in Turmoil


    Caveat:   Ripley's motto: Believe it or not!

    -Long enduring partnerships are falling apart.
    -Career choices are made and changed overnight.
    -Long dormant health issues surface in persistency, no longer enabled for postponements.
    -Intimate relationships and familial associations are breaking under the guidance of individual independence issues.
    -Dreams of the past and future begin to 'haunt' the dreamers sensitive to their inner selves.

    What is happening? Like mushrooms after a healthy dose of 48 hour rain; personal issues are erupting like volcanoes on a global scale?

    The adepts in Plato's Cave are familiar with the reason for the 'new fertility'.



    Welcome in the Dragon's Den of Plato's Cave of Shadows, also being Noah's Ark!


    The Metamorphosis of Narcissus by Salvador Dali, 1937


    The personal harvest has arrived and will be followed by a global harvest.
    The harvester is the one who has planted the seeds to grow into the harvestable material and this harvester is yourself awakening from your deep slumber of the implanted forgetfulness.
    The one who is stirring is your own remembrance - "there is more to my life, than this 9 to 5 routine and this world of the consumerism and the search for self in gratification and social integration".

    On November 30, 2009 a decisive nexus point in the time warp loop from December 8th, 2004 to April 1st, 2012 began in the commencement of 70 weeks of personalised turmoil leading into 'global' turmoil from March 28th, 2011.  Those 70 weeks or 490 days are however a cyclically embedded timeframe within 1260 days or 3½ 'Great years' each of which spans 12 months of 30 days and 30 nights, the latter showing a most basic division of 24 hours into a duet of 12 hours each. There then follows a 'cosmic gestation' or 'World Pregnancy' following a 3½ day 'preparatory halfweek of 3x12=36 hours of day and 36 hours of night and as 84=1260/15 hours definitive for a cyclic timeframe of 3½ 'basic days', countable  as both in 1260 'long days' or in 84 'short days'.
    And was not the 'size' of Noah's Flood 15 'cubits' high and covering all of the 'old world'? And was the 'prophet' of the endtimes not asked to 'hire' the 'cosmic harlot' for 15 pieces of silver, then doubled in the 'ransom money' of the 'field of blood of the old covenant'?



    Genesis.7.17-22: (KJV)
    17And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
    18And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
    19And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
    20Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
    21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
    22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
    23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
    24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.


    Hosea.3:
    1Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine.
    2So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver, and for an homer of barley, and an half homer of barley:
    3And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee.
    4For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
    5Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.


    Luke 1:24-25
    24And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
    25Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.


    Revelation 9:5-16
    5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
    66 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
    7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
    8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
    9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
    10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
    11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
    12One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
    13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
    14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
    15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
    16And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.


    Daniel 7:10
    A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.


    Revelation 5:11
    And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;


    Revelation 18:4-7
    4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
    6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
    7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.


    Revelation 6:5-6
    5And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
    6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.


    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin)
    (105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will be called the son of a harlot."


    30 Pieces of Silver = 30 days = 1 month for the 'Field of Blood'
    {Acts.1.16-20 & Matthew.27.1-10} & {Revelation.14.20 & Revelation.21.16-17}

    15 Pieces of Silver = 15 days and 1 Homer = 100 days for 1½ Homer = 150 days = 5x30 days = 5 months
    15 Cubits = 15 Days in 2x12,000 furlongs/1,600 furlongs = 15 for 2x144,000=288,000=2x10,000x10,000=200 Million






    This global electromagnetic resonance phenomenon is named after physicist Winfried Otto Schumann who predicted it mathematically in 1952. Schumann resonances occur because the space between the surface of the Earth and the conductive ionosphere acts as a closed waveguide. The limited dimensions of the Earth cause this waveguide to act as a resonant cavity for electromagnetic waves in the ELF band. The cavity is naturally excited by electric currents in lightning. Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum[1] beginning at 3 Hz and extend to 60 Hz,[2] and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83 (fundamental),[3] 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.[1][4]
    In the normal mode descriptions of Schumann resonances, the fundamental mode is a standing wave in the Earth–ionosphere cavity with a wavelength equal to the circumference of the Earth. This lowest-frequency (and highest-intensity) mode of the Schumann resonance occurs at a frequency of approximately 7.83 Hz, but this frequency can vary slightly from a variety of factors, such as solar-induced perturbations to the ionosphere, which comprises the upper wall of the closed cavity.[citation needed] The higher resonance modes are spaced at approximately 6.5 Hz intervals,[citation needed] a characteristic attributed to the atmosphere's spherical geometry. The peaks exhibit a spectral width of approximately 20% on account of the damping of the respective modes in the dissipative cavity. The 8th partial lies at approximately 60 Hz.[citation needed]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

    The asthenosphere (from Greek asthenēs 'weak' + sphere) is the highly viscous, mechanically weak[1] and ductilely-deforming region of the upper mantle of the Earth. It lies below the lithosphere, at depths between ~80 and ~200 km (~ 50 and 124 miles) below the surface. The lithosphere-asthenosphere boundary is usually referred to as LAB. Asthenosphere is generally solid although some of its regions could be melted (e.g. below mid-ocean ridge). The lower boundary of the asthenosphere is not well defined. The thickness of the asthenosphere depends mainly on the temperature. For some regions asthenosphere could extend as deep as 700 km (430 mi). It is considered the source region of mid-ocean ridge basalt (MORB).[2

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asthenosphere



    This 'cosmic pregnancy' so defines 265 days from April 1st, 2012 to December 21st, 2012 and a timeline which is encoded in many ancient scrolls and scriptures, as well in certain construction modules as in that of the 'Great Gallery' in the 'Great Pyramid of Khufu-Cheops' in Egypt.
    December 21st, 2012 also is encoded in native calendars, such as that of the Maya and is decribed in the New Testament of the Christian bible as the 1600 'furlong days' in which the 'outer temple' is being measured in Revelation.14.20 and so stipulating August 4th, 2008 as an important nexus date allowing the appropriate decoding of the symbols to fixate one of its anchor nexus dates or 'Logos Points'.
    But from December 21st, 2012, the ancient timelines and beginning at the last initiating precessional circle of the ancients at a proleptic Gregorian date and daycount of March 1st, 23,615 BC in 9,360,000 or 65x144,000 such 'Mayan Baktun' days; the way the cyclyc time in say days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries and millenia could be counted changed into a form of encoded 'Compression' or 'Acceleration' time not in their scientific measurement definitions, but in terms of the encoded logistical timeframes and timespaces. The next two charts show this compression schematically and many of its encoded cipherments have been elucidated many times on a number of forums and message boards. Summararily however; the third cosmic reset nexus point will be Tuesday, March 25th, 2014 to trigger the continuity of the second nexus point of Sunday, April 1st, 31AD and fro its 1st reset  point so 2,200 million years ago.

    The first reset point can be decoded as the Cosmic Mother Creation-Creator BodyMindWave remembering herself in a initiation of Her homecoming to the Cosmic Father Creator-Creation WaveMindBody in a Twinship or entanglement of the manyness and the uniqueness of the big scale with the small scales of quantum entanled lifeforms of sentience immersed and energized from a 'Field of Plenum Spacetime occupying Consciousness'.
    The second reset point can be decoded as the Image of the first remembrance now WITHIN the Bodyform of the Cosmic Mother. This then allows the WITHOUT to witness itself in the WITHIN and a Cosmic Twinship or Doubling of the 'Cosmic IDentity Self' can become implemented and made manifest. The first cosmic motherfatherhood of creation so gives birth to its own image or daughtersonship, which can perform the agency to connect the WITHIN to the WITHOUT hitherto separated by the great divide or abyss of the doublesided mirror not being able to explore and discover itself due to its orienatation and necessitation to relativise the perception of the Within as contra to the perception of the Without in its selfhood realisation of Cosmic Truth and Lawfulness.
    The third reset point then allows the Spacetime of the Creator-TwinCreation-Creator entity to mirror itself as a Timespace of Compression and Acceleration in releasing the collected history of the linearized and projected Past of all data processors through the Wormhole nexus into its 'Image Made' Projected Future. Symbolically the X transforms into the 8 with the linearity closing in upon itself in a symbolism found in the Ouroboros or Cosmic Dragon-Dog finally catching its own tail after chasing the same for a long period of timebased evolution of both Mentality  and Bodyform related to the morphogenetic forms of the data collectors or co-creators of the cosmic agenda of the transformation and metamorphosis of the older into the newer.

    What is so significant about this upcoming 'time', which is 'warped' (albeit unbeknown by the 'regulators' of the global communities)?
    The human genus has been subject to a particular 'archetypology' for almost 26,000 years, and a timeline if translated into a distance specifying the distance between planet earth to the center of the harbouring Milky Way galaxy (and so 26,000 lightyears away).

    From this 'archetypology' derived the worldwide social and cultural edifices and constructs, such as global 'religions' and harbouring philosophical paradigms, city-nation states and a technology driven by innovative scientific application.
    There is a last 'Blue Moon' (of Full Moons) for this period on December 2nd, 2009 and December 31st, 2009 - heralding the 'New Year' fully encompassing the 70 weeks of supra transformation of 'karmic' archetypes.
    There will be a 'Black Moon' (of New Moons) in July 2011 (1st and 30th) followed by the 'Blue Moons' of August 2012 (2nd & 31st).

    There are NO Blue Full Moons in 2014, but there are two Black New Moons in 2014



    New Elder Moons in 12 Odd Male Number Signs + Lucifer HermesTribeFull Elder Moons in 12 Even Female Number Signs + Aphrodite Lucifera
    01 = 05 September 2013 ?at 11:36UCT-----Virgo Moon in Virgo Sun7=Gad02 = 19 September 2013 at 11:13UCT-----Pisces Moon in Virgo Sun
    03 = 05 October 2013 at 00:34UCT-----Libra Moon in Libra Sun6=Naphtali04 = 18 October 2013 at 23:38UCT------Aries Moon in Libra Sun
    05 = 03November 2013 at 12:50UCT-----Scorpio Moon in Scorpio Sun8=Asher06 = 17 November 2013 at 15:17UCT-----Taurus Moon in Scorpio Sun
    07 = 03 December 2013 at 00:22UCT-----Sagittarius Moon in Sagittarius Sun9=Issachar08 = 17 December 2013 at 09:29UCT-----Gemini Moon in Sagittarius Sun
    09 = 01 January 2014 at 11:15UCT-----Capricorn Moon in Capricorn Sun
    as 1st New Elder Black Moon of the Endtimes 3½/1261

    10=Zebulon
    10 = 16 January 2014 at 04:54UCT-----Cancer Moon in Capricorn Sun
    11 = 30 January 2014 at 21:41UCT-----Aquarius Moon in Aquarius Sun
    as 2nd New Elder Black Moon of the Endtimes 3½/1261

    12=Joseph
    12 = 14 February 2014 at 23:55UCT-----Leo Moon in Aquarius Sun
    13 = 01 March 2014 at 08:03UCT-----Pisces Moon in Pisces Sun
    as 3rd New Elder Black Moon of the Endtimes 3½/1261

    13=Benjamin
    14 = 16 March 2014 at 17:11UCT-----Virgo Moon in Pisces Sun
    15 = 30 March 2014 at 18:48UCT-----Aries Moon in Aries Sun

    as 4th New Elder Black Moon of the Endtimes 3½/1261

    1=Reuben16 = 15 April 2014 at 07:45UCT-----Libra Moon in Aries Sun for Total Lunar Eclipse
    17 = 29 April 2014 at 06:18UCT-----Taurus Moon in Taurus Sun for Annular Solar Eclipse2=Simeon18 = 14 May 2014 at 19:19UCT-----Scorpio Moon in Taurus Sun
    19 = 28 May 2014 at 18:43UCT-----Gemini Moon in Gemini Sun3=Levi20 = 13 June 2014 at 04:14UCT-----Sagittarius Moon in Gemini Sun
    21 = 27 June 2014 at 08:11UCT-----Cancer Moon in Cancer Sun5=Dan22 = 12 July 2014 at 11:27UCT-----Capricorn Moon in Cancer Sun
    23 = 26 July 2014 at 22:43UCT-----Leo Moon in Leo Sun4=Judah24 = 10 August 2014 at 18:11UCT-----Aquarius Moon in Leo Sun
    25 = 25 August 2014 at 14:13UCT-----Omega Moon in Virgo Sun11=Dinah26 = 09 September 2014 at 01:39UCT-----Alpha Moon in Eagle Sun
    27 = 24 September 2014 at 06:14UCT-----Alpha Moon in Libra Sun14=Ophiuchus28 = 08 October 2014 at 10:51UCT-----Omega Moon in Arachne Sun for Total Lunar Eclipse
    29 = 23 October 2014 at 21:56UCT----Eagle Moon in Scorpio Sun for Partial Solar Eclipse15=Arachne30 = 06 November 2014 at 22:23UCT-----Dragon-Phoenix Moon in Ophiuchus Sun




    All of those old archetypes have held the human groupsoul 'to ransom' and imprisoned the human group consciousness under 'name it yourself' social conventions and hierarchical structures like 'religion', 'tradition' or 'class'.
    All of those Old Archetypes, now almost 26,000 years old, - MUST be replaced by New Archetypes - ergo the necessity for a 'warped timeline' as indicated above.
    Why the 'must'? Because the end of the cycle demands a reconfiguration of the Old Beginning (Alpha to Omega) as a New Beginning (Omega to Alpha) in the 'closing of the 'age' or the 'closing of the circle'.
    Personal 'turmoil' is required to 'shake the individual' out of its lethargic slumberland of expecting 'things' (say the world) to continue as 'always'.
    The alpha-omega point had its last occurrence in 23,615 BC and a long time before the collective genetic groupmind of humanity of today can pertinently remember itself.
    So the present 'psychophysical' collective human mind has entered 'new territory'.

    A few 'old souls', familiar with Plato's Cave might remember the overriding and encompassing galactic archetype.
    Perseus aka Milky Way is on his adventure to 'marry' Andromeda, daughter of Cassiopeia in a celestial or 'heavenly wedding' of superlatives.
    To do that, Perseus must overcame many obstacles set into his way by the 'jealous' Olympians.
    For is not Perseus, the son of Zeus, yet also the son of a mortal woman Danae?
    Under protectorate of Zeus and some 'tools from the goddesses'; Perseus must face the gorgons and the titans in Medusa and the Kraken to rescue Andromeda. Upon succeeeding in his quest, Perseus and Andromeda will reconfigure the constellations and their new archetypes will forever change the Old into the New.

    April and Brooke; both of you are Andromeda in jeopardy of being 'sacrificed' to the Kraken, the 'old titan' and one of the usurpers of the preOlympian creation.
    But just as you are unawares of your starry identities, so are your 'Sons of Zeus' unaware of theirs. But exist the do and real they are.
    Before they will appear to ask for your partnership; both are required to become created within yourself as your own unifications. It is deemed necessary, that the new archetypology be built on a new foundation and for this reason and purpose you have become empowered (by your individuated struggles of familial natures) to MIRROR yourselves within yourselves INDEPENDENT from the outside world and your external associations.
    Realising your own shadows, will then allow your Perseuses to realise theirs, just in looking at you as new creations and subsequentlybecome enabled to  'redefine' themselves (in your images).
    April, Scott is as much 'trapped' in the 'world around himself' as you are. This 'world' is 'getting ready for the harvest' and despite the naysayers, noone can escape the harvesting or remain sitting on the fence as an onlooker and observer. This 'harvest' is NOT physical, but mental and has everything to to do with 'human consciousness' and/or self-perception.
    Scott cannot change under the auspices of the present nexus until you have changed. The present agenda is far far more, than just some personal 'struggle' or dilemma of 'evolutionary growth'.
    The development must be thorough and sudden or the old partnerships will simply break apart.
    In some manner ALL human partnerships are presently under such tension or evolution pressure; the difference is, that now the pressure is beyond the physical (alcoholism, drug abuse, still birth, self-abortion or some other physical problem).

    Brooke; your problem is not your biological infertility, but your 'higher self'. You have decided on a 'deeper soul level' NOT to fall pregnant in your present 'state of mind', because you know of the dramatic changes pertaining to the environment for your baby in the next few years.
    You are becoming more and more 'distracted' by the 'status quo' and your skepticism towards what for you has been a 'natural spiritual gift' - your own self-remembrance as a foremost spiritual being and an 'old soul' from Plato's Cave. Have you altogether now forgotten Delphi?
    In your strong desires for womanhood and your 'place in the world'; you have neglected your 'precious gifts attained previously' and your 'spiritual heart' KNOWS this very well.
    So instead of ridiculing the messenger, you might enquire of your thinking heart and render your mind feeling instead of rationalizing.
    Should you reopen your communications with your 'Isaiahean heart', then you will receive a very distinct message, which shall show you when and how to conceive and bear.
    The 'timing' will then be right and you will have remembered yourself and your reason for being incarnate at the present timeline.

    April; your dreaming Atlantis is of great significance as it pertains as much to your future as it does to your past.
    The strange hieroglyphs on the walls are part of the encodings residing deep within your 'soul'.
    These are not symbols to be interpreted, like mathematical semantics, but these are symbols which you know intuitively, even telepathically, if you just could gather the confidence to utilize them.
    In this respect, they have occurred through your dreams to rekindle your ancient past, when you knew how to use those symbols.
    It would behoove you very well, should you go outside one cloudless night and deeply ponder the brightest star in the sky - Sirius aka Canis Major, the Dog-Star so 8.6 lightyears from earth.
    Atlantis has its origin with Sirius and connects through this relatively nearby constellation to the prehuman timeline beginning so 50,000 years ago with the 'Seven Sisters' and Arcturus, as well as Andromeda.
    There are 4 great ancient constellations, which are represented on earth; all of which serve humanity in archetype and in remembrance. Pondering any or all of them, will trigger elemental archetypes and 'strange feelings' of 'knowing without knowing'.

    The Canines of Sirius with a codename: "The Sirian Doggods of the Air of Western Jerusalem".
    The Felines of Andromeda with a codename: "The Andromedean Lions of the Fire of Eastern Judah".
    The Pachyderms (Elephants, Rhinoceroses and Hippopotamuses) of Arcturus with a codename: "The Arcturian Elephants of the Earth of Northern Samaria".
    The Cetaceans (Whales, Dolphins and Porpoises) of Pleiadius with a codename: "The Pleiadean Whales of the Water of Southern Jonah".

    It is the human identity, which is being 'harvested' and EVERYONE in incarnation 'knows' this to be the case on an 'inner soul level' or similar labelling. The human identity is in transit to become 'extraplanetary' or 'galactic'. For this purpose, the 'old worlds', both individually and globally must transform and change into a 'new world'.
    As this change cannot become physicalized before the (mental) archetypes and templates have themselves become manifested 'psychophysically' or metaphysically; the present circumstances prevail and will continue to prevail until the new blueprints have become implemented.
    The success of this implementation is however assured; because there are a few 'old souls' in Plato's Cave, who understand and help to manifest the required transformations.








    John Shadow of Shenandoah shilohaplace on Sunday, March 23rd, 2014 in the day of the 10th horn of deliverances


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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

    Post  shiloh on Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:42 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you magamud. I keep wondering why Earth is the Devil-World?! Did the Devil win a war, an election, or the heart and soul of a significant being?? Someone seems to have authorized this madness -- with no one really attempting to stop it (in any significantly effective manner). I keep suspecting that the Creator got demoted, defeated, destroyed, and exiled in antiquity -- with humanity paying a very heavy price for thousands of years. Read The Invisible War by Donald Grey Barnhouse for some interesting insights regarding why we are in the mess we're in!!
     
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Interesting thread!! Consider reading the book Daniel by Dr. Desmond Ford. It's sort of on your intellectual level -- but I don't know if that's a good-thing or not!! Shiloh, I'm quoting your last post on my United States of the Solar System thread. I hope you don't mind. I like including that sort of thing on my thread!! I've recently speculated that the 2300 day-years of Daniel 8:14 spans 168 BC to 2133 AD -- with the Millenium commencing in 1133 AD!! What do you think about THAT??!!

    shiloh wrote:
    RedEzra wrote:Hi much good info Shiloh.
    ........
     
    I am well aware about your Ellen White and SDA considerations oxy. Remember, you did ask a number of questions towards this subject matter on the old Project Avalon forum?!
    And well, I no longer think about WHAT Ellen White's 'insights' were at her time and neither do I think much about your many other connotations of this and THAT, regarding the 'new testament' 'students/gurus' you are watching and observing with some interest.
    The Council of Thuban happens to KNOW, what the appropriate decoding patters for the scriptural encodings represent and this as a necessary effect and consequence of the causation of particular timelines having  reached a necessary 'fruition' in the global and cosmic evolvement of those selfsame patterns and logistics. It suffices to state, that those 'secrets revealed' are derivatives from and by the original authors of those encrypted words and that the Council of Thuban is authorized, as scribes and interpreters and decoders, even messengers of the World Logos; to share those 'secrets' on and by the auspices of those original authors of the Logos of all worlds created.
     
    You have reproduced my reply on the  bible thread of redezra and the correct interpretation of your lengthy treatment about the 2300 day-year prophecy of the SDA'ers is found therein.
    I might say, that the 'Seven Dayers' have decoded the 490 year prophecy with beginning with the Edicts of Ezra, Nehemiah and Artaxerxes and Darius I in an appropriate manner in synchronicity with that found in the archives and almanacs of Thuban.
     
    But like Isaac Newton, they have had not enough background information as to the actual historicity of the fulfilment of the Old Testament by Jesus of Nazareth, to understand the interconnectivity of the Torah with the New Testament and the displacement of the Mosaic covenant of the 'Ark of the Covenant' and the 'Ten Commandments' of Sinai leading into the construction of Solomon's 1st temple to its 'destruction' in archetype by Jesus in 28AD in his visit of the 'celestial wedding' of Canaan, encoded in John.2.
    Jesus 'destroyed' the 2nd temple of Herod's construction agenda in substituting the 'temple made by human means' with that of his own body and as can be decoded and read in the aforementioned gospel of the Scorpio-Eagle of the Mazzaroth.
    And as you know this 2nd temple of Solomon was physically destroyed by the Roman emperor Titus on August 4th, 70AD. But by then the 3rd temple of Solomon and with it the 'New Noahic Covenant', now characterised in the Pentecost of May 20th, 31AD, was in effect to invoke the timeline for a physical reconstruction of Solomon's 3rd temple in the cosmic dispensation of the 'Resurrection' or cosmic morphogenetic recreation of the original Adamic-Vitruvian cosmogenesis as described in the 'Garden of Eden' account in Genesis and other similar creation mythologies, such as the Epic Gilgamesh of Mesopotamia and other 'great flood' accounts of destroying some old world covenanted with the creator-creation for another.
     
    Your 2300 day-year code so relates to such a 'Cleansing by water' and as you can discover for yourself in examining the various scriptural accounts and encoding patterns with a 'new insight' and as given to you without any obligations or conditions by the Council of the Thuban Elders.
    You will not discover 'certain secret' keys as to those scripture codes by searching the data bases of disinformation disseminators like Sherry Shriner or Anna Hayes, but of course you are perfectly invited by the cosmic observers to pursue such an endeavour. Many of the older sources of various Christian denominations and including all forms of Christianity orthodox and unorthodox as well as the Mormons, JWs, SDA's and 'Christian science' adherents have undertaken excellent research into the historical correlations of the secular timeframes and events as affiliated and corroborated by and with scriptural accounts.
     
    But as is exposited clearly in the prophetic books of Daniel.12 and Revelation.10, the encoding keys carrying the most depth and potency to determine the physical reconstruction of Solomon's temple FROM the 'shared glory of the resurrection', and which enabled an advanced form of quantum wave mechanics to intersect the lower dimensional timespace with its parental higher dimensional metaplenum; required a 'tarrying' of the collective planetary groupmind to allow access to those 'secrecies'.
    And I can tell you oxy; that your 'feared' ptb and annotated AED's have only limited access to those 'secret keys'; though they are rather more informed about where to find them and how to access them than the vast majority of the 'non insiders'.
     
    Newton's error was not beginning his apocalyptic timeline with the Edict of Cyrus, so clearly invoked in the Book of Isaiah. But his 1335 day-year timeline of the 'blessing of Charlemagne' by pope Leo III is excellent and correct and as you can further examine in some detail in the Newton 2060 chart you placed onto your message board here.
    The 2300 day-years of Ellen White and followers relates to the doubling of this 1335 'endtime' timeline in Daniel.12 and incorporates the manner of the 'cleansing of the sanctuary' being the planetary environment of 'polluted thoughtform energies' etc in its basic form. Then 2300+370=2670 as 1335 days mirrored in 1335 days.
     
    Many call those 'Human Created' memeplexes and thoughtforms 'demons' or devils and 'evil ETs' from other dimensions and such labels and in some form this can certaintly be considered part of the multidimensional reality in its psychophysical expression within this 'Cocoon of the planetary environs and lifeforms'.
     
    Historically and again beginning this as a year count say from the 'Battle of Megiddo-Harmageddon' in 609-608 BC with the '70-Year' or Babylonian captivity ending with the Edict of Cyrus in 538BC, you can date the 2300 years to the years 1693-1763 AD followed by 370 years to Newton's 2063 AD. This uses ordinary 'civilian years' and not the '360 Days = A Time' prophetic code say which can be used to relate the Edict of Nehemiah to the Passover in 31AD.
     
    Using this 'prophetic Platonic great year' the timeline from 609-608BC and the Megiddo battle between the Hebrewic 'last righteous king' Josiah with the Egyptian pharaoh Necho, would become 360x2300=828,000 days or 2,267 'civil years' and so 33 years shorter than the previous calculus. But this again would set a historical timeframe onto say 1660-1730 AD and the time of the Scientific renaissance of Galileo and Newton himself. Recall for example the 'Great Fire of London' of 1666 and the times of Galileo from
    15 February 1564 – 8 January 1642 and that of Isaac Newton from 25 December 1642 – 20 March 1727.
     
    The '70th Week' is however interwoven into both timeframes with the 33+5 years offset to indicate the 'Mission of Jesus of Nazareth' from 6BC to 32 AD in 38 years, which actually describes the 'New Age adherents' galactic alignment' heralding the precessional changes of the eons from the zodiacal sign of Pisces into Aquarius. This correlates with the actual angular size of the Sun relative to the Earth observer as about ½ degree and a scale enabling the phenomenon of solar and lunar eclipses to occur, the lunar relative angular scale, also being 30 minutes of arc or ½ a degree. Because a circle has 360 degrees as the 'A Time = 360 degree days' encoding; each degree of the celestial zodiac will require about 72 years of the precessional elliptic path of the celestial equinoxes to complete.
     
    Using more precise measurements then:
    {the solar angular size is close to 0.53 degrees for example and the 144,000 kin baktun times 65 give you a 'Mayan precession' of 9,360,000 days as 25,626.8 civil years for 71.2 years per zodiacal degree of the 'Cosmic Dragon Ouroboros' and 0.53x71.2=37.7 years}, then allows you to correlate the annual galactic occultation of the December 21st solstice with the galactic centre located in the constellation of Sagittarius as requiring approximately the 38 years of Jesus' mission as indicated.
     
    The most detailed astrophysical calculations undertaken (Mees-1997: http://worldendin2012.com/galacticalignment.html http://www.universetoday.com/30762/galactic-alignment/)  have shown, that the mean occultation of the galactic centre at the centre of the Milky Way  for this 38 year sojourn occurred in early 1998 and so validating a particular 'prophecy' of the American New Age seer Edgar Cayce, who 'saw' the appearance of the 'Avatar for the Aquarian Age' in the year 1998. The Thuban calculations then converged onto the actual beginning of the 'Age of Aquarius' for January 20th, 1998 and as the nexus for the solar transit from the sign of Capricorn into Aquarius at 06:46UCT.
     
    And as the 'flood day years' can be counted as 370x360=133,200 day counts or as about 365 years for the 'Flooding' of the Old World's cosmic laws by new ones and the chart shows you how this '70th week' decodes in the present timeline as indicated and described many times before.
     

    2015 = 2060

    1335-1290=45=2060-2015
    360+720+180=1260
    10x60+60+60x10
    600+3003+006
    666



     
    There is indeed an 'Ancient Egyptian Deity' watching over you oxy, but this AED is 'on your side' and the many attempts of 'worldly reformation' you have attempted over the years. So try to 'be well in mindfulnesses and contemplations' and 'Fear Not', those things which are yet to manifest and come, having been cosmically legislated and given to the Gaian executive of the Serpentine Mother of all the dragons.
     
     
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    THE GNOSTIC SOCIETY LIBRARY
    The Nag Hammadi Library
    The Hypostasis of the Archons
    (The Reality of the Rulers)

    Translated by Bentley Layton

    On account of the reality of the authorities, (inspired) by the spirit of the father of truth,
    the great apostle - referring to the "authorities of the darkness" - told us that "our contest
    is not against flesh and blood; rather, the authorities of the universe and the spirits of
    wickedness." I have sent this (to you) because you inquire about the reality of the authorities.

    Their chief is blind; because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said,
    with his power, "It is I who am God; there is none apart from me." When he said this, he
    sinned against the entirety. And this speech got up to incorruptibility; then there was a
    voice that came forth from incorruptibility, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" - which
    is, "god of the blind."

    His thoughts became blind. And, having expelled his power - that is, the blasphemy he
    had spoken - he pursued it down to chaos and the abyss, his mother, at the instigation of
    Pistis Sophia. And she established each of his offspring in conformity with its power -
    after the pattern of the realms that are above, for by starting from the invisible world the
    visible world was invented.

    As incorruptibility looked down into the region of the waters, her image appeared in the
    waters; and the authorities of the darkness became enamored of her. But they could not
    lay hold of that image, which had appeared to them in the waters, because of their
    weakness - since beings that merely possess a soul cannot lay hold of those that possess a
    spirit - for they were from below, while it was from above. This is the reason why
    "incorruptibility looked down into the region (etc.)": so that, by the father's will,
    she might bring the entirety into union with the light.

    The rulers laid plans and said, "Come, let us create a man that will be soil from the earth."
    They modeled their creature as one wholly of the earth. Now the rulers [...] body [...] they
    have [...] female [...] is [...] with the face of a beast. They had taken some soil from the
    earth and modeled their man after their body and after the image of God that had
    appeared to them in the waters.

    They said, "Come, let us lay hold of it by means of the form that we have modeled, so that it
    may see its male counterpart [...], and we may seize it with the form that we have modeled"
    - not understanding the force of God, because of their powerlessness.
    And he breathed into his face; and the man came to have a soul (and remained) upon the ground many days.
    But they could not make him arise because of their powerlessness.
    Like storm winds they persisted (in blowing), that they might try to capture that image,
    which had appeared to them in the waters. And they did not know the identity of its power.

    Now all these things came to pass by the will of the father of the entirety. Afterwards,
    the spirit saw the soul-endowed man upon the ground. And the spirit came forth from the
    Adamantine Land; it descended and came to dwell within him, and that man became a
    living soul. It called his name Adam, since he was found moving upon the ground.
    A voice came forth from incorruptibility for the assistance of Adam; and the rulers gathered
    together all the animals of the earth and all the birds of heaven and brought them in to
    Adam to see what Adam would call them, that he might give a name to each of the birds
    and all the beasts.

    They took Adam and put him the garden, that he might cultivate it and keep watch over
    it. And the rulers issued a command to him, saying, "From every tree in the garden shall
    you eat; yet from the tree of recognizing good and evil do not eat, nor touch it; for the day
    you eat from it, with death you are going to die."

    They [...] this. They do not understand what they have said to him; rather, by the father's
    will, they said this in such a way that he might (in fact) eat, and that Adam might <not>
    regard them as would a man of an exclusively material nature.

    The rulers took counsel with one another and said, "Come, let us cause a deep sleep to
    fall upon Adam." And he slept. - Now the deep sleep that they "caused to fall upon him,
    and he slept" is Ignorance. - They opened his side like a living woman.
    And they built up his side with some flesh in place of her, and Adam came to be endowed only with soul.
    And the spirit-endowed woman came to him and spoke with him, saying, "Arise, Adam."

    And when he saw her, he said, "It is you who have given me life; you will be called
    'mother of the living'. - For it is she who is my mother. It is she who is the physician, and
    the woman, and she who has given birth."

    Then the authorities came up to their Adam. And when they saw his female counterpart
    speaking with him, they became agitated with great agitation; and they became enamored
    of her. They said to one another, "Come, let us sow our seed in her," and they pursued
    her. And she laughed at them for their witlessness and their blindness; and in their
    clutches she became a tree, and left before them her shadowy reflection resembling
    herself; and they defiled it foully. - And they defiled the stamp of her voice, so that by the
    form they had modeled, together with their (own) image, they made themselves liable to
    condemnation.

    Then the female spiritual principle came in the snake, the instructor; and it taught them,
    saying, "What did he say to you? Was it, 'From every tree in the garden shall you eat; yet
    - from the tree of recognizing good and evil do not eat'?" The carnal woman said,
    "Not only did he say 'Do not eat', but even 'Do not touch it; for the day you eat from it,
    with death you are going to die.'"

    And the snake, the instructor, said, "With death you shall not die; for it was out of
    jealousy that he said this to you. Rather your eyes shall open and you shall come to be
    like gods, recognizing evil and good." And the female instructing principle was taken
    away from the snake, and she left it behind, merely a thing of the earth.

    And the carnal woman took from the tree and ate; and she gave to her husband as well as
    herself; and these beings that possessed only a soul, ate. And their imperfection became
    apparent in their lack of knowledge; and they recognized that they were naked of the
    spiritual element, and took fig leaves and bound them upon their loins.

    Then the chief ruler came; and he said, "Adam! Where are you?" - for he did not
    understand what had happened. And Adam said, "I heard your voice and was afraid
    because I was naked; and I hid."

    The ruler said, "Why did you hide, unless it is because you have eaten from the tree from
    which alone I commanded you not to eat? And you have eaten!" Adam said, "The woman that you gave me,
    she gave to me and I ate." And the arrogant ruler cursed the woman.

    The woman said, "It was the snake that led me astray and I ate." They turned to the snake
    and cursed its shadowy reflection, [...] powerless, not comprehending that it was a form
    they themselves had modeled. From that day, the snake came to be under the curse of the
    authorities; until the all-powerful man was to come, that curse fell upon the snake.
    They turned to their Adam and took him and expelled him from the garden along with his
    wife; for they have no blessing, since they too are beneath the curse. Moreover, they
    threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be
    occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the
    holy spirit.

    Now afterwards, she bore Cain, their son; and Cain cultivated the land. Thereupon he
    knew his wife; again becoming pregnant, she bore Abel; and Abel was a herdsman of
    sheep. Now Cain brought in from the crops of his field, but Abel brought in an offering
    (from) among his lambs. God looked upon the votive offerings of Abel; but he did not
    accept the votive offerings of Cain. And carnal Cain pursued Abel, his brother.
    And God said to Cain, "Where is Abel, your brother?"
    He answered saying, "Am I, then, my brother's keeper?"

    God said to Cain, "Listen! The voice of your brother's blood is crying up to me!
    You have sinned with your mouth. It will return to you: anyone who kills Cain will let loose
    seven vengeances, and you will exist groaning and trembling upon the earth."
    And Adam knew his female counterpart Eve, and she became pregnant, and bore Seth to
    Adam. And she said, "I have borne another man through God, in place of Abel."
    Again Eve became pregnant, and she bore Norea. And she said, "He has begotten on me a virgin
    as an assistance for many generations of mankind." She is the virgin whom the forces did not defile.

    Then mankind began to multiply and improve. The rulers took counsel with one another
    and said, "Come, let us cause a deluge with our hands and obliterate all flesh, from man
    to beast." But when the ruler of the forces came to know of their decision, he said to
    Noah, "Make yourself an ark from some wood that does not rot and hide in it - you and
    your children and the beasts and the birds of heaven from small to large - and set it upon
    Mount Sir."

    Then Orea came to him, wanting to board the ark. And when he would not let her, she
    blew upon the ark and caused it to be consumed by fire. Again he made the ark, for a
    second time. The rulers went to meet her, intending to lead her astray.
    Their supreme chief said to her "Your mother Eve came to us."
    But Norea turned to them and said to them, "It is you who are the rulers of the darkness;
    you are accursed. And you did not know my mother; instead it was your female counterpart that you knew.

    For I am not your descendant;rather it is from the world above that I am come."
    The arrogant ruler turned, with all his might, and his countenance came to be like (a)
    black [...]; he said to her presumptuously, "You must render service to us, as did also
    your mother Eve; for I have been given [...]." But Norea turned, with the might of [...];
    and in a loud voice, she cried out up to the holy one, the God of the entirety, "Rescue me
    from the rulers of unrighteousness and save me from their clutches - forthwith!"

    The <great> angel came down from the heavens and said to her, "Why are you crying up
    to God? Why do you act so boldly towards the holy spirit?" Norea said, "Who are you?"
    The rulers of unrighteousness had withdrawn from her. He said, "It is I who am Eleleth,
    sagacity, the great angel who stands in the presence of the holy spirit.
    I have been sent to speak with you and save you from the grasp of the lawless.

    And I shall teach you about your root."

    (Norea apparently now speaking) Now as for that angel, I cannot speak of his power: his
    appearance is like fine gold and his raiment is like snow. No, truly, my mouth cannot
    bear to speak of his power and the appearance of his face!

    Eleleth, the great angel, spoke to me. "It is I," he said, "who am understanding.
    I am one of the four light-givers, who stand in the presence of the great invisible spirit.
    Do you think these rulers have any power over you? None of them can prevail against the root of
    truth; for on its account he appeared in the final ages; and these authorities will be
    restrained. And these authorities cannot defile you and that generation; for your abode is
    in incorruptibility, where the virgin spirit dwells, who is superior to the authorities of
    chaos and to their universe."

    But I said, "Sir, teach me about the faculty of these authorities - how did they come into
    being, and by what kind of genesis, and of what material, and who created them and their
    force?" And the great angel Eleleth, understanding, spoke to me: "Within limitless realms dwells
    incorruptibility. Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without
    her consort; and her product was a celestial thing.

    A veil exists between the world above
    and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that
    shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created
    became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form
    molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion.

    It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.
    Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant,
    saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this,
    he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute
    power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" - which is, 'god of the blind'.

    And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!"
    And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she
    pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again
    darkness [...] matter.

    This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit.
    And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven
    offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring,
    "It is I who am god of the entirety."

    And Zoe (Life), the daughter of Pistis Sophia, cried out and said to him, "You are
    mistaken, Sakla!" - for which the alternative name is Yaltabaoth. She breathed into his
    face, and her breath became a fiery angel for her; and that angel bound Yaldabaoth and
    cast him down into Tartaros below the abyss.

    Now when his offspring Sabaoth saw the force of that angel, he repented and condemned
    his father and his mother, matter. He loathed her, but he sang songs of praise up to Sophia
    and her daughter Zoe. And Sophia and Zoe caught him up and gave him charge of the
    seventh heaven, below the veil between above and below. And he is called 'God of the
    forces, Sabaoth', since he is up above the forces of chaos, for Sophia established him.
    Now when these (events) had come to pass, he made himself a huge four-faced chariot of
    cherubim, and infinitely many angels to act as ministers, and also harps and lyres.

    And Sophia took her daughter Zoe and had her sit upon his right to teach him about the things
    that exist in the eighth (heaven); and the angel of wrath she placed upon his left. Since
    that day, his right has been called 'life'; and the left has come to represent the
    unrighteousness of the realm of absolute power above. It was before your time that they
    came into being.

    Now when Yaldabaoth saw him (Sabaoth) in this great splendor and at this height, he
    envied him; and the envy became an androgynous product, and this was the origin of
    envy. And envy engendered death; and death engendered his offspring and gave each of
    them charge of its heaven; and all the heavens of chaos became full of their multitudes.

    But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being - after the
    pattern of all the things above - so that the sum of chaos might be attained.
    "There, I have taught you about the pattern of the rulers; and the matter in which it was
    expressed; and their parent; and their universe." But I said, "Sir, am I also from their matter?"

    "You, together with your offspring, are from the primeval father; from above, out of the
    imperishable light, their souls are come. Thus the authorities cannot approach them,
    because of the spirit of truth present within them; and all who have become acquainted
    with this way exist deathless in the midst of dying mankind. Still, that sown element will
    not become known now. Instead, after three generations it will come to be known, and it
    has freed them from the bondage of the authorities' error."

    Then I said, "Sir, how much longer?"
    He said to me, "Until the moment when the true man, within a modeled form, reveals the
    existence of the spirit of truth, which the father has sent. Then he will teach them about everything,
    and he will anoint them with the unction of life eternal, given him from the undominated generation.
    Then they will be freed of blind thought, and they will trample underfoot death, which is
    of the authorities, and they will ascend into the limitless light where this sown element
    belongs.

    Then the authorities will relinquish their ages, and their angels will weep over their
    destruction, and their demons will lament their death. Then all the children of the light will be truly acquainted with the truth and their root, and the father of the entirety and the holy spirit.
    They will all say with a single voice, 'The father's truth is just, and the son presides over the entirety",
    and from everyone unto the ages of ages, "Holy - holy - holy! Amen!'"

    The Reality of the Rulers
    Selection made from James M. Robinson, ed., The Nag Hammadi Library, revised edition.
    HarperCollins, San Francisco, 1990.
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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:16 am

    Thank-you Shiloh and B.B. I'm almost to the point where I really don't care what anyone thinks. I'll probably just finish reposting and refining the territory I've already covered -- and then move on to something completely unrelated. Yesterday, I had a very unproductive conversation with someone I know very well -- wherein my innovations and insights were taken as hostile and misguided challenges. If I didn't care -- didn't think -- didn't study -- things would go much, much better. We've been at the mercy of a seemingly merciless being for thousands of years -- so why break with tradition?? Why should I try to be a threat to the powers that be -- and the way things are??? If everyone is happy with the corrupt ruling the stupid -- so be it. I just thought that a particular road less traveled might help someone -- but I was certainly mistaken. I use Sherry Shriner, Ashayana Deane, Ellen White, Desmond Ford, et al -- to help keep me on my toes -- and not because I'm a true-believer. I'm looking forward to just keeping my thoughts to myself, while watching things play-out. I think the general public might really be screwed, because they won't do the research and reflection necessary to "get it right". I fear we might be on the brink of a New Dark Ages. Everyone will think what they wish to think -- regardless of whether it makes sense, or not. I'm warming to the idea of being a Secret Society of One. Now, I think I might research the nasty "Little-Horn Power"...but don't worry... the Powers That Be have everyone and everything under control...Including YOU!!! The jokes are over, folks -- and the yoke is on YOU!!! Namaste and Godspeed.







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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

    Post  Raven on Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:56 pm

    B.B.Baghor wrote:THE GNOSTIC SOCIETY LIBRARY
    The Nag Hammadi Library
    The Hypostasis of the Archons
    (The Reality of the Rulers)

    Translated by Bentley Layton

    On account of the reality of the authorities, (inspired) by the spirit of the father of truth,
    the great apostle - referring to the "authorities of the darkness" - told us that "our contest
    is not against flesh and blood; rather, the authorities of the universe and the spirits of
    wickedness." I have sent this (to you) because you inquire about the reality of the authorities.

    Their chief is blind; because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said,
    with his power, "It is I who am God; there is none apart from me." When he said this, he
    sinned against the entirety. And this speech got up to incorruptibility; then there was a
    voice that came forth from incorruptibility, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" - which
    is, "god of the blind."

    His thoughts became blind. And, having expelled his power - that is, the blasphemy he
    had spoken - he pursued it down to chaos and the abyss, his mother, at the instigation of
    Pistis Sophia. And she established each of his offspring in conformity with its power -
    after the pattern of the realms that are above, for by starting from the invisible world the
    visible world was invented.

    As incorruptibility looked down into the region of the waters, her image appeared in the
    waters; and the authorities of the darkness became enamored of her. But they could not
    lay hold of that image, which had appeared to them in the waters, because of their
    weakness - since beings that merely possess a soul cannot lay hold of those that possess a
    spirit - for they were from below, while it was from above. This is the reason why
    "incorruptibility looked down into the region (etc.)": so that, by the father's will,
    she might bring the entirety into union with the light.

    The rulers laid plans and said, "Come, let us create a man that will be soil from the earth."
    They modeled their creature as one wholly of the earth. Now the rulers [...] body [...] they
    have [...] female [...] is [...] with the face of a beast. They had taken some soil from the
    earth and modeled their man after their body and after the image of God that had
    appeared to them in the waters.

    They said, "Come, let us lay hold of it by means of the form that we have modeled, so that it
    may see its male counterpart [...], and we may seize it with the form that we have modeled"
    - not understanding the force of God, because of their powerlessness.
    And he breathed into his face; and the man came to have a soul (and remained) upon the ground many days.
    But they could not make him arise because of their powerlessness.
    Like storm winds they persisted (in blowing), that they might try to capture that image,
    which had appeared to them in the waters. And they did not know the identity of its power.

    Now all these things came to pass by the will of the father of the entirety. Afterwards,
    the spirit saw the soul-endowed man upon the ground. And the spirit came forth from the
    Adamantine Land; it descended and came to dwell within him, and that man became a
    living soul. It called his name Adam, since he was found moving upon the ground.
    A voice came forth from incorruptibility for the assistance of Adam; and the rulers gathered
    together all the animals of the earth and all the birds of heaven and brought them in to
    Adam to see what Adam would call them, that he might give a name to each of the birds
    and all the beasts.

    They took Adam and put him the garden, that he might cultivate it and keep watch over
    it. And the rulers issued a command to him, saying, "From every tree in the garden shall
    you eat; yet from the tree of recognizing good and evil do not eat, nor touch it; for the day
    you eat from it, with death you are going to die."

    They [...] this. They do not understand what they have said to him; rather, by the father's
    will, they said this in such a way that he might (in fact) eat, and that Adam might <not>
    regard them as would a man of an exclusively material nature.

    The rulers took counsel with one another and said, "Come, let us cause a deep sleep to
    fall upon Adam." And he slept. - Now the deep sleep that they "caused to fall upon him,
    and he slept" is Ignorance. - They opened his side like a living woman.
    And they built up his side with some flesh in place of her, and Adam came to be endowed only with soul.
    And the spirit-endowed woman came to him and spoke with him, saying, "Arise, Adam."

    And when he saw her, he said, "It is you who have given me life; you will be called
    'mother of the living'. - For it is she who is my mother. It is she who is the physician, and
    the woman, and she who has given birth."

    Then the authorities came up to their Adam. And when they saw his female counterpart
    speaking with him, they became agitated with great agitation; and they became enamored
    of her. They said to one another, "Come, let us sow our seed in her," and they pursued
    her. And she laughed at them for their witlessness and their blindness; and in their
    clutches she became a tree, and left before them her shadowy reflection resembling
    herself; and they defiled it foully. - And they defiled the stamp of her voice, so that by the
    form they had modeled, together with their (own) image, they made themselves liable to
    condemnation.

    Then the female spiritual principle came in the snake, the instructor; and it taught them,
    saying, "What did he say to you? Was it, 'From every tree in the garden shall you eat; yet
    - from the tree of recognizing good and evil do not eat'?" The carnal woman said,
    "Not only did he say 'Do not eat', but even 'Do not touch it; for the day you eat from it,
    with death you are going to die.'"

    And the snake, the instructor, said, "With death you shall not die; for it was out of
    jealousy that he said this to you. Rather your eyes shall open and you shall come to be
    like gods, recognizing evil and good." And the female instructing principle was taken
    away from the snake, and she left it behind, merely a thing of the earth.

    And the carnal woman took from the tree and ate; and she gave to her husband as well as
    herself; and these beings that possessed only a soul, ate. And their imperfection became
    apparent in their lack of knowledge; and they recognized that they were naked of the
    spiritual element, and took fig leaves and bound them upon their loins.

    Then the chief ruler came; and he said, "Adam! Where are you?" - for he did not
    understand what had happened. And Adam said, "I heard your voice and was afraid
    because I was naked; and I hid."

    The ruler said, "Why did you hide, unless it is because you have eaten from the tree from
    which alone I commanded you not to eat? And you have eaten!" Adam said, "The woman that you gave me,
    she gave to me and I ate." And the arrogant ruler cursed the woman.

    The woman said, "It was the snake that led me astray and I ate." They turned to the snake
    and cursed its shadowy reflection, [...] powerless, not comprehending that it was a form
    they themselves had modeled. From that day, the snake came to be under the curse of the
    authorities; until the all-powerful man was to come, that curse fell upon the snake.
    They turned to their Adam and took him and expelled him from the garden along with his
    wife; for they have no blessing, since they too are beneath the curse. Moreover, they
    threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be
    occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the
    holy spirit.

    Now afterwards, she bore Cain, their son; and Cain cultivated the land. Thereupon he
    knew his wife; again becoming pregnant, she bore Abel; and Abel was a herdsman of
    sheep. Now Cain brought in from the crops of his field, but Abel brought in an offering
    (from) among his lambs. God looked upon the votive offerings of Abel; but he did not
    accept the votive offerings of Cain. And carnal Cain pursued Abel, his brother.
    And God said to Cain, "Where is Abel, your brother?"
    He answered saying, "Am I, then, my brother's keeper?"

    God said to Cain, "Listen! The voice of your brother's blood is crying up to me!
    You have sinned with your mouth. It will return to you: anyone who kills Cain will let loose
    seven vengeances, and you will exist groaning and trembling upon the earth."
    And Adam knew his female counterpart Eve, and she became pregnant, and bore Seth to
    Adam. And she said, "I have borne another man through God, in place of Abel."
    Again Eve became pregnant, and she bore Norea. And she said, "He has begotten on me a virgin
    as an assistance for many generations of mankind." She is the virgin whom the forces did not defile.

    Then mankind began to multiply and improve. The rulers took counsel with one another
    and said, "Come, let us cause a deluge with our hands and obliterate all flesh, from man
    to beast." But when the ruler of the forces came to know of their decision, he said to
    Noah, "Make yourself an ark from some wood that does not rot and hide in it - you and
    your children and the beasts and the birds of heaven from small to large - and set it upon
    Mount Sir."

    Then Orea came to him, wanting to board the ark. And when he would not let her, she
    blew upon the ark and caused it to be consumed by fire. Again he made the ark, for a
    second time. The rulers went to meet her, intending to lead her astray.
    Their supreme chief said to her "Your mother Eve came to us."
    But Norea turned to them and said to them, "It is you who are the rulers of the darkness;
    you are accursed. And you did not know my mother; instead it was your female counterpart that you knew.

    For I am not your descendant;rather it is from the world above that I am come."
    The arrogant ruler turned, with all his might, and his countenance came to be like (a)
    black [...]; he said to her presumptuously, "You must render service to us, as did also
    your mother Eve; for I have been given [...]." But Norea turned, with the might of [...];
    and in a loud voice, she cried out up to the holy one, the God of the entirety, "Rescue me
    from the rulers of unrighteousness and save me from their clutches - forthwith!"

    The <great> angel came down from the heavens and said to her, "Why are you crying up
    to God? Why do you act so boldly towards the holy spirit?" Norea said, "Who are you?"
    The rulers of unrighteousness had withdrawn from her. He said, "It is I who am Eleleth,
    sagacity, the great angel who stands in the presence of the holy spirit.
    I have been sent to speak with you and save you from the grasp of the lawless.

    And I shall teach you about your root."

    (Norea apparently now speaking) Now as for that angel, I cannot speak of his power: his
    appearance is like fine gold and his raiment is like snow. No, truly, my mouth cannot
    bear to speak of his power and the appearance of his face!

    Eleleth, the great angel, spoke to me. "It is I," he said, "who am understanding.
    I am one of the four light-givers, who stand in the presence of the great invisible spirit.
    Do you think these rulers have any power over you? None of them can prevail against the root of
    truth; for on its account he appeared in the final ages; and these authorities will be
    restrained. And these authorities cannot defile you and that generation; for your abode is
    in incorruptibility, where the virgin spirit dwells, who is superior to the authorities of
    chaos and to their universe."

    But I said, "Sir, teach me about the faculty of these authorities - how did they come into
    being, and by what kind of genesis, and of what material, and who created them and their
    force?" And the great angel Eleleth, understanding, spoke to me: "Within limitless realms dwells
    incorruptibility. Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without
    her consort; and her product was a celestial thing.

    A veil exists between the world above
    and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that
    shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created
    became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form
    molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion.

    It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.
    Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant,
    saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this,
    he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute
    power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" - which is, 'god of the blind'.

    And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!"
    And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she
    pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again
    darkness [...] matter.

    This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit.
    And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven
    offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring,
    "It is I who am god of the entirety."

    And Zoe (Life), the daughter of Pistis Sophia, cried out and said to him, "You are
    mistaken, Sakla!" - for which the alternative name is Yaltabaoth. She breathed into his
    face, and her breath became a fiery angel for her; and that angel bound Yaldabaoth and
    cast him down into Tartaros below the abyss.

    Now when his offspring Sabaoth saw the force of that angel, he repented and condemned
    his father and his mother, matter. He loathed her, but he sang songs of praise up to Sophia
    and her daughter Zoe. And Sophia and Zoe caught him up and gave him charge of the
    seventh heaven, below the veil between above and below. And he is called 'God of the
    forces, Sabaoth', since he is up above the forces of chaos, for Sophia established him.
    Now when these (events) had come to pass, he made himself a huge four-faced chariot of
    cherubim, and infinitely many angels to act as ministers, and also harps and lyres.

    And Sophia took her daughter Zoe and had her sit upon his right to teach him about the things
    that exist in the eighth (heaven); and the angel of wrath she placed upon his left. Since
    that day, his right has been called 'life'; and the left has come to represent the
    unrighteousness of the realm of absolute power above. It was before your time that they
    came into being.

    Now when Yaldabaoth saw him (Sabaoth) in this great splendor and at this height, he
    envied him; and the envy became an androgynous product, and this was the origin of
    envy. And envy engendered death; and death engendered his offspring and gave each of
    them charge of its heaven; and all the heavens of chaos became full of their multitudes.

    But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being - after the
    pattern of all the things above - so that the sum of chaos might be attained.
    "There, I have taught you about the pattern of the rulers; and the matter in which it was
    expressed; and their parent; and their universe." But I said, "Sir, am I also from their matter?"

    "You, together with your offspring, are from the primeval father; from above, out of the
    imperishable light, their souls are come. Thus the authorities cannot approach them,
    because of the spirit of truth present within them; and all who have become acquainted
    with this way exist deathless in the midst of dying mankind. Still, that sown element will
    not become known now. Instead, after three generations it will come to be known, and it
    has freed them from the bondage of the authorities' error."

    Then I said, "Sir, how much longer?"
    He said to me, "Until the moment when the true man, within a modeled form, reveals the
    existence of the spirit of truth, which the father has sent. Then he will teach them about everything,
    and he will anoint them with the unction of life eternal, given him from the undominated generation.
    Then they will be freed of blind thought, and they will trample underfoot death, which is
    of the authorities, and they will ascend into the limitless light where this sown element
    belongs.

    Then the authorities will relinquish their ages, and their angels will weep over their
    destruction, and their demons will lament their death. Then all the children of the light will be truly acquainted with the truth and their root, and the father of the entirety and the holy spirit.
    They will all say with a single voice, 'The father's truth is just, and the son presides over the entirety",
    and from everyone unto the ages of ages, "Holy - holy - holy! Amen!'"

    The Reality of the Rulers
    Selection made from James M. Robinson, ed., The Nag Hammadi Library, revised edition.
    HarperCollins, San Francisco, 1990.
     
    [7:25:09 PM] Allisiam: nice reply from Sanicle

    [7:25:25 PM] Allisiam: she seems genuinely thankful

    [7:26:30 PM] Shiloh: The BB post is ok but she of course misreads the library

    [7:26:36 PM] Allisiam: i did not realize Sanicle was so into astrology

    [7:27:22 PM] Shiloh: The archons as portrayed there are the schism between the physical and the metaphysical

    [7:27:41 PM] Shiloh: As you know Jesus corrected this with the importance of the body

    [7:28:18 PM] Shiloh: The archons are said to have created the body of Adam and then it could not walk until 'The Mother' Barbelo breathed life into it

    [7:28:43 PM] Shiloh: So the general dismissal of the 'flesh' by the traditional gnostics derives from that

    [7:29:26 PM] Allisiam: oh nice yes i do think we discussed this before

    [7:31:08 PM] Shiloh: Misreading Nag Hammadi is very common

    [7:31:27 PM] Shiloh: The 'Secret Book of John' is perhaps the second best after the GOT to consider.

    [7:31:44 PM] Shiloh: Many other lexicons are anti physical and you know where this comes from

    [7:37:09 PM] Shiloh: There is so much information on the web now, that it is no surprise that most get even more confused than ever. But this excerpt from BB actually indicates just what is happening now. But the nabsers cant see this most of the time and times lol. But having perused this translation in more depth; I must say it is a VERY BAD translation from someone - a Bentley Layton, obviously interested to look at Nag Hammadi as a 'confirmation' of a particular interpretation of the 'evilness of the serpent of Eden' and so on. As you very well know, the 'serpent', he calls it snake and this gives his origin and agenda away, is well understood to be the antidote to Yaldebaoth in the 'Apocryphon of John' and the BB B read reads more like a neo fundamentalist Christian account of say a creationist, than a true and genuine attempt to translate and elucidate Nag Hammadi. There are better accounts for this creation mythology BBB, if you see this. You might compare THIS account Apocryphon of John - with what you have shared for your own discernments regarding this data base. Perhaps then you will be able to draw valid comparisons between sources of information regarding the scrolls and lexicons of antiquity.

    Bentley Layton is a qualified academic and historian by the way (Bentley Layton) and so BB B's reference is sound and acceptable. Nevertheless, Bentley must have provided many footnotes in his treatise of: "The Hypostasis of the Archons -(The Reality of the Rulers)" to point out the many contradictions between this and the 'Apocryphon'. If he did not, then he would be biased towards a kind of literal reading of the Genesis account and this is something I would consider unlikely.
    My own opinion on those differences and contradictions then is, that the 'Hypostasis' is a later and corrupted version of the 'Apocryphon' and characteristic for the 'physical word denying' cosmology general Gnosticism transformed into in the times after the original Logos dispensations. The timeframe then would be GOT as the Q of modern historical theology at the time of Paul of Tarsus, say 50AD (as a first extraposition or record) with the later Nag Hammadi texts following from then on into the second century AD and with the 'Apocryphon' co-timed with the authorship for the Book of Revelation aka 'John's Apocalypse' say around 70-80AD and at the time of the destruction of Herod's temple and the exodus and dispersion of the Jews from then Palestine.

    As you know, the 'Secret Book of John' is considered as the backbone for the Nag Hammadi lexicons and has far more weight than the other texts, apart from the GOT of course to represent the foundation for the post resurrection Christianity in gnosis.


    All the texts discovered at Nag Hammadi are available in the Gnostic Society Library; they are indexed here in alphabetical order, and by their location in the original codices. A subject categorized list of the writings is also given, below. You may search the entire collection of texts for keywords or phrases using the search form.

    We have a special collections of resources dealing with two particularly important texts, the Gospel of Thomas, and The Secret Book (Apocryphon) of John. Several introductory lectures on the Nag Hammadi materials are provided, below.
    .......

    Influence

    The Apocryphon, set in the framing device of a revelation delivered by the resurrected Christ to John the son of Zebedee, contains some of the most extensive detailing of classic dualistic Gnostic mythology that has survived; as one of the principal texts of the Nag Hammadi library, it is an essential text of study for anyone interested in Gnosticism. Frederick Wisse, who translated it, asserts that "The Apocryphon of John was still used in the eighth century by the Audians of Mesopotamia" (Wisse p 104).

    The Apocryphon of John has become the central text for studying the gnostic tradition of Antiquity. The creation mythology it details has been the object of study of such writers as Carl Jung and Eric Voegelin
    .......
    http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocryphon_of_John
     
    Then I said, "Sir, how much longer?"
    He said to me, "Until the moment when the true man, within a modeled form, reveals the
    existence of the spirit of truth, which the father has sent. Then he will teach them about everything,
    and he will anoint them with the unction of life eternal, given him from the undominated generation.
    Then they will be freed of blind thought, and they will trample underfoot death, which is
    of the authorities, and they will ascend into the limitless light where this sown element
    belongs.

    Then the authorities will relinquish their ages, and their angels will weep over their
    destruction, and their demons will lament their death. Then all the children of the light will be truly acquainted with the truth and their root, and the father of the entirety and the holy spirit.
    They will all say with a single voice, 'The father's truth is just, and the son presides over the entirety",
    and from everyone unto the ages of ages, "Holy - holy - holy! Amen!'"
     
    Ephesians 6:11-13 - King James Version (KJV)

    11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


    This is Paul's letter to the Ephesians as well and neither BB nor magamud have much of an idea what this means,  but of course they believe they have it figured and are 'on top' of this mentally. Oxy is more 'down to earth' here, saying he doesn't know. The trouble is, that most theologians and laymen alike have little clue as what those 'principalities at high places are'. They mess it up with the human creations and thoughtforms emotionally empowered and cannot see the Logos mind creating the necessary polarizations for a required context for a 'New World' to be born from the 'Ashes of an Old World'.
    Just consider this obsession of the nabsers with the 'Phoenix' as a ptb-freemason symbol. As you know, the 'insiders' know about the scripture codes and the GOT. They are 'obsessed' with the GOT and therefore discourage ANY meaningful public debate in the mainstream media about it. But this 'Phoenix of the Resurrection' is the 'Egyptian Scarab of Immortality' and they know this very well, having access to the 'secret manuscripts'. If they would not consider the Thuban data as just another form of nabs, we would no longer be able to remain 'occulted'. But you know the reasons for that.

    If BB really would understand the libraries, then she would be aware of the Dead Sea scrolls indicating just this and also Isaiah. This however is at the root of oxy's mental troubles - the true origin of the 'Evil' as 'Live'. BB's avatar you mentioned is one of her 'soul realisations' from her superconscious. Look closely and you see the 'dragon' also symbolises the yin-yang symbol. Like so many nabsers, she knows something profound from those soul levels, but her human mindedness disallows a necessary penetration to explore those cosmogonies and ontological backgrounds of her lifepath and 'cosmic agreements' say.

    According to Martin G. Abegg Jr; a translator of scroll 4Q392; the author of the scroll states, that God created light and darkness for himself, not just as a background for subsequent creation events. Light and darkness are simultaneously present with God, a paradox incomprehensible for the human mind; but for mankind’s benefit is that differentiation made, resulting in a doubling of all that is.


    4Q392:“[...] and dominions [...][...] a man [...] God and not to turn aside from [...] and in His covenant your soul shall cling and [...] words of His mouth [...] and God [...] heaven above and to search out the ways of the sons of man, they have no hiding place. He created darkness and light for Himself, but in His dwelling place is the light of their light and all darkness rests before Him as well. He has no need to distinguish between light and darkness, but for the sons of man He distinguishes them as the light of day, with the sun, and night, with the moon and stars. He has a light which cannot be searched out, nor can its end be known. For all the works of God are doubled in this manner. We are flesh, which does not totally grasp these things. With us for [...] for a sign and wonders without number. [...] winds and lightning [...] servants of the holy of holies. They are as couches before him [...].” - translated by Martin G. Abegg, Jr.

    Genesis.1.7: “And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.”

    Isaiah.44.7: “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”





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    Post  Jenetta on Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:12 pm

    No one is "right" and everyone is "write". Think I'll join Brook for a cup of JO with a dash of brandy.

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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:25 am

    Did my last post confuse some of you?? Are you easily confused?? Ione asked me that question decades ago. Beware of Ione. That's all I'm going to say about that. What if the "Real-God" would not play-well in the mass-media?? What if the "Real-Universe" is more complex and upsetting than ANY of Us can possibly handle?? I'm not necessarily "Anti-Dragon" (if they actually exist) but it seems as if some of the Dragons (if they actually exist) are Anti-Human (seemingly wishing humanity did NOT exist)!! I think I like this site, because it forces me to think about things I'd rather not think about -- but I won't allow myself to be lured into a "Richard-Situation" (and I'm not going to explain myself). I just wish to repeat that I enjoy being around really, really smart and wise people (in all contexts and disciplines) who really say something when they speak. I'm not one of those people -- but I enjoy being in their distinguished company. That's all I'm going to say about that. Has anyone thought about the difference between a Micromanaging-Dictator and an Authority of Last-Resort?? What if my life and thread are more of a Red-Herring than even I can imagine??!! Regarding the Biblical and Eschatological Madness -- try this somewhat repetitive study-list. I'm not claiming this is "The Truth". I'm just saying that some of you MIGHT find it interesting (if you find the time and motivation). BTW -- I recently encountered a strange smart "person" who couldn't seem to stop laughing. I didn't get the joke. What was the joke??

    1. Patriarchs and Prophets -- Ellen White.
    2. Genesis, Deuteronomy, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Isaiah, Daniel. (KJV)
    3. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, Revelation. (KJV)
    4. Daniel -- Desmond Ford. (1978)
    5. 1928 Book of Common Prayer and Liturgy.
    6. Desire of Ages -- Ellen White.
    7. Federalist Papers and U.S. Constitution.
    8. Astronomy and Law Textbooks.
    9. Science-Fiction.
    10. Sacred Classical Music.

    mudra wrote:Near death, explained
    New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences -- with shocking results.


    n 1991, Atlanta-based singer and songwriter Pam Reynolds felt extremely dizzy, lost her ability to speak, and had difficulty moving her body. A CAT scan showed that she had a giant artery aneurysm—a grossly swollen blood vessel in the wall of her basilar artery, close to the brain stem. If it burst, which could happen at any moment, it would kill her. But the standard surgery to drain and repair it might kill her too.

    With no other options, Pam turned to a last, desperate measure offered by neurosurgeon Robert Spetzler at the Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, Arizona. Dr. Spetzler was a specialist and pioneer in hypothermic cardiac arrest—a daring surgical procedure nicknamed “Operation Standstill.” Spetzler would bring Pam’s body down to a temperature so low that she was essentially dead. Her brain would not function, but it would be able to survive longer without oxygen at this temperature. The low temperature would also soften the swollen blood vessels, allowing them to be operated on with less risk of bursting. When the procedure was complete, the surgical team would bring her back to a normal temperature before irreversible damage set in.

    Essentially, Pam agreed to die in order to save her life—and in the process had what is perhaps the most famous case of independent corroboration of out of body experience (OBE) perceptions on record. This case is especially important because cardiologist Michael Sabom was able to obtain verification from medical personnel regarding crucial details of the surgical intervention that Pam reported. Here’s what happened.

    Pam was brought into the operating room at 7:15 a.m., she was given general anesthesia, and she quickly lost conscious awareness. At this point, Spetzler and his team of more than 20 physicians, nurses, and technicians went to work. They lubricated Pam’s eyes to prevent drying, and taped them shut. They attached EEG electrodes to monitor the electrical activity of her cerebral cortex. They inserted small, molded speakers into her ears and secured them with gauze and tape. The speakers would emit repeated 100-decibel clicks—approximately the noise produced by a speeding express train—eliminating outside sounds and measuring the activity of her brainstem.

    At 8:40 a.m., the tray of surgical instruments was uncovered, and Robert Spetzler began cutting through Pam’s skull with a special surgical saw that produced a noise similar to a dental drill. At this moment, Pam later said, she felt herself “pop” out of her body and hover above it, watching as doctors worked on her body.
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    Although she no longer had use of her eyes and ears, she described her observations in terms of her senses and perceptions. “I thought the way they had my head shaved was very peculiar,” she said. “I expected them to take all of the hair, but they did not.” She also described the Midas Rex bone saw (“The saw thing that I hated the sound of looked like an electric toothbrush and it had a dent in it … ”) and the dental-drill sound it made with considerable accuracy.

    Meanwhile, Spetzler was removing the outermost membrane of Pamela’s brain, cutting it open with scissors. At about the same time, a female cardiac surgeon was attempting to locate the femoral artery in Pam’s right groin. Remarkably, Pam later claimed to remember a female voice saying, “We have a problem. Her arteries are too small.” And then a male voice: “Try the other side.” Medical records confirm this conversation, yet Pam could not have heard them.

    The cardiac surgeon was right—Pam’s blood vessels were indeed too small to accept the abundant blood flow requested by the cardiopulmonary bypass machine, so at 10:50 a.m., a tube was inserted into Pam’s left femoral artery and connected to the cardiopulmonary bypass machine. The warm blood circulated from the artery into the cylinders of the bypass machine, where it was cooled down before being returned to her body. Her body temperature began to fall, and at 11:05 a.m. Pam’s heart stopped. Her EEG brain waves flattened into total silence. A few minutes later, her brain stem became totally unresponsive, and her body temperature fell to a sepulchral 60 degrees Fahrenheit. At 11:25 a.m., the team tilted up the head of the operating table, turned off the bypass machine, and drained the blood from her body. Pamela Reynolds was clinically dead.

    At this point, Pam’s out-of-body adventure transformed into a near-death experience (NDE): She recalls floating out of the operating room and traveling down a tunnel with a light. She saw deceased relatives and friends, including her long-dead grandmother, waiting at the end of this tunnel. She entered the presence of a brilliant, wonderfully warm and loving light, and sensed that her soul was part of God and that everything in existence was created from the light (the breathing of God). But this extraordinary experience ended abruptly, as Reynolds’s deceased uncle led her back to her body—a feeling she described as “plunging into a pool of ice.”

    Meanwhile, in the operating room, the surgery had come to an end. When all the blood had drained from Pam’s brain, the aneurysm simply collapsed and Spetzler clipped it off. Soon, the bypass machine was turned on and warm blood was pumped back into her body. As her body temperature started to increase, her brainsteam began to respond to the clicking speakers in her ears and the EEG recorded electrical activity in the cortex. The bypass machine was turned off at 12:32 p.m. Pam’s life had been restored, and she was taken to the recovery room in stable condition at 2:10 p.m.

    read on:  Arrow http://www.salon.com/2012/04/21/near_death_explained/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

    Love Always
    mudra

    What Would Harvey Cushing Say and Do??


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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

    Post  Raven on Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:50 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:Did my last post confuse some of you?? Are you easily confused?? Ione asked me that question decades ago. Beware of Ione. That's all I'm going to say about that. What if the "Real-God" would not play-well in the mass-media?? What if the "Real-Universe" is more complex and upsetting than ANY of Us can possibly handle?? I'm not necessarily "Anti-Dragon" (if they actually exist) but it seems as if some of the Dragons (if they actually exist) are Anti-Human (seemingly wishing humanity did NOT exist)!! I think I like this site, because it forces me to think about things I'd rather not think about -- but I won't allow myself to be lured into a "Richard-Situation" (and I'm not going to explain myself). I just wish to repeat that I enjoy being around really, really smart and wise people (in all contexts and disciplines) who really say something when they speak. I'm not one of those people -- but I enjoy being in their distinguished company. That's all I'm going to say about that. Has anyone thought about the difference between a Micromanaging-Dictator and an Authority of Last-Resort?? What if my life and thread are more of a Red-Herring than even I can imagine??!! Regarding the Biblical and Eschatological Madness -- try this somewhat repetitive study-list. I'm not claiming this is "The Truth". I'm just saying that some of you MIGHT find it interesting (if you find the time and motivation). BTW -- I recently encountered a strange smart "person" who couldn't seem to stop laughing. I didn't get the joke. What was the joke??

    1. Patriarchs and Prophets -- Ellen White.
    2. Genesis, Deuteronomy, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Isaiah, Daniel. (KJV)
    3. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, Revelation. (KJV)
    4. Daniel -- Desmond Ford. (1978)
    5. 1928 Book of Common Prayer and Liturgy.
    6. Desire of Ages -- Ellen White.
    7. Federalist Papers and U.S. Constitution.
    8. Astronomy and Law Textbooks.
    9. Science-Fiction.
    10. Sacred Classical Music.


    mudra wrote:Near death, explained
    New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences -- with shocking results.


    n 1991, Atlanta-based singer and songwriter Pam Reynolds felt extremely dizzy, lost her ability to speak, and had difficulty moving her body. A CAT scan showed that she had a giant artery aneurysm—a grossly swollen blood vessel in the wall of her basilar artery, close to the brain stem. If it burst, which could happen at any moment, it would kill her. But the standard surgery to drain and repair it might kill her too.

    With no other options, Pam turned to a last, desperate measure offered by neurosurgeon Robert Spetzler at the Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, Arizona. Dr. Spetzler was a specialist and pioneer in hypothermic cardiac arrest—a daring surgical procedure nicknamed “Operation Standstill.” Spetzler would bring Pam’s body down to a temperature so low that she was essentially dead. Her brain would not function, but it would be able to survive longer without oxygen at this temperature. The low temperature would also soften the swollen blood vessels, allowing them to be operated on with less risk of bursting. When the procedure was complete, the surgical team would bring her back to a normal temperature before irreversible damage set in.

    Essentially, Pam agreed to die in order to save her life—and in the process had what is perhaps the most famous case of independent corroboration of out of body experience (OBE) perceptions on record. This case is especially important because cardiologist Michael Sabom was able to obtain verification from medical personnel regarding crucial details of the surgical intervention that Pam reported. Here’s what happened.

    Pam was brought into the operating room at 7:15 a.m., she was given general anesthesia, and she quickly lost conscious awareness. At this point, Spetzler and his team of more than 20 physicians, nurses, and technicians went to work. They lubricated Pam’s eyes to prevent drying, and taped them shut. They attached EEG electrodes to monitor the electrical activity of her cerebral cortex. They inserted small, molded speakers into her ears and secured them with gauze and tape. The speakers would emit repeated 100-decibel clicks—approximately the noise produced by a speeding express train—eliminating outside sounds and measuring the activity of her brainstem.

    At 8:40 a.m., the tray of surgical instruments was uncovered, and Robert Spetzler began cutting through Pam’s skull with a special surgical saw that produced a noise similar to a dental drill. At this moment, Pam later said, she felt herself “pop” out of her body and hover above it, watching as doctors worked on her body.
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    Although she no longer had use of her eyes and ears, she described her observations in terms of her senses and perceptions. “I thought the way they had my head shaved was very peculiar,” she said. “I expected them to take all of the hair, but they did not.” She also described the Midas Rex bone saw (“The saw thing that I hated the sound of looked like an electric toothbrush and it had a dent in it … ”) and the dental-drill sound it made with considerable accuracy.

    Meanwhile, Spetzler was removing the outermost membrane of Pamela’s brain, cutting it open with scissors. At about the same time, a female cardiac surgeon was attempting to locate the femoral artery in Pam’s right groin. Remarkably, Pam later claimed to remember a female voice saying, “We have a problem. Her arteries are too small.” And then a male voice: “Try the other side.” Medical records confirm this conversation, yet Pam could not have heard them.

    The cardiac surgeon was right—Pam’s blood vessels were indeed too small to accept the abundant blood flow requested by the cardiopulmonary bypass machine, so at 10:50 a.m., a tube was inserted into Pam’s left femoral artery and connected to the cardiopulmonary bypass machine. The warm blood circulated from the artery into the cylinders of the bypass machine, where it was cooled down before being returned to her body. Her body temperature began to fall, and at 11:05 a.m. Pam’s heart stopped. Her EEG brain waves flattened into total silence. A few minutes later, her brain stem became totally unresponsive, and her body temperature fell to a sepulchral 60 degrees Fahrenheit. At 11:25 a.m., the team tilted up the head of the operating table, turned off the bypass machine, and drained the blood from her body. Pamela Reynolds was clinically dead.

    At this point, Pam’s out-of-body adventure transformed into a near-death experience (NDE): She recalls floating out of the operating room and traveling down a tunnel with a light. She saw deceased relatives and friends, including her long-dead grandmother, waiting at the end of this tunnel. She entered the presence of a brilliant, wonderfully warm and loving light, and sensed that her soul was part of God and that everything in existence was created from the light (the breathing of God). But this extraordinary experience ended abruptly, as Reynolds’s deceased uncle led her back to her body—a feeling she described as “plunging into a pool of ice.”

    Meanwhile, in the operating room, the surgery had come to an end. When all the blood had drained from Pam’s brain, the aneurysm simply collapsed and Spetzler clipped it off. Soon, the bypass machine was turned on and warm blood was pumped back into her body. As her body temperature started to increase, her brainsteam began to respond to the clicking speakers in her ears and the EEG recorded electrical activity in the cortex. The bypass machine was turned off at 12:32 p.m. Pam’s life had been restored, and she was taken to the recovery room in stable condition at 2:10 p.m.

    read on:  Arrow http://www.salon.com/2012/04/21/near_death_explained/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

    Love Always
    mudra

    What Would Harvey Cushing Say and Do??
     
    [4:37:10 PM - April 29th, 2014 +10UCT] Sirius 17: it is like we are doing this dance with our Brimstone
    [4:38:42 PM] Shiloh: You can reply to oxy now
    [4:38:54 PM] Sirius 17: lol i am going to bed, later
    [4:39:00 PM] Sirius 17: what did he say
    [4:39:18 PM] Shiloh: He likes your company
    [4:40:02 PM] Sirius 17: awww i see
    [4:40:08 PM] Sirius 17: he likes us yes
    [4:40:20 PM] Sirius 17: but he can't be talking about too many other people
    [4:40:31 PM] Sirius 17: there are other really smart people on this site?
    [4:40:36 PM] Sirius 17: where have i been?
    [4:40:39 PM] Sirius 17: hehe
    [4:41:10 PM] Sirius 17: lured into a Richard situation lol
    [4:41:13 PM] Sirius 17: i know what he means
    [4:41:14 PM] Shiloh: Hmm they must be hiding somewhere
    [4:41:31 PM] Sirius 17: he misses my flirtation
    [4:41:34 PM] Shiloh: What does he mean you think?
    [4:41:54 PM] Sirius 17: someone must of told him something
    [4:42:09 PM] Sirius 17: that Celine and Richard had convos with you
    [4:42:27 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [4:42:34 PM] Shiloh: Richard never did
    [4:43:05 PM] Sirius 17: oh right, well then i am not sure, maybe getting banned
    [4:43:09 PM] Sirius 17: is what he means
    [4:43:24 PM] Sirius 17: but you know he still is using the little signature we gave him
    [4:43:31 PM] Sirius 17: with his video additions
    [4:43:36 PM] Sirius 17: the sperm chasing the car lol
    [4:44:12 PM] Shiloh: You gave him that?
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    orthodoxymoron
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    [4:44:54 PM] Sirius 17: over 4600 posts, holy
    [4:45:04 PM] Sirius 17: Xeia did on her V post remember
    [4:45:20 PM] Sirius 17: well we collaborated on it i think
    [4:45:49 PM] Shiloh: I cant recall
    [4:46:02 PM] Shiloh: You and Xeia did I think
    [4:46:05 PM] Sirius 17: the one with the poem and the pic of Anna from V
    [4:46:09 PM] Sirius 17: yeah
    [4:46:13 PM] Shiloh: Yes RavenDove
    [4:46:15 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:46:27 PM] Sirius 17: back when she was speaking to me
    [4:46:50 PM] Sirius 17: anyhow, nn dear
    [4:47:07 PM] Sirius 17: (F)(heart)(F)(heart)
    [4:47:39 PM] Sirius 17: you know you look a lot like that actor from Trueblood
    [4:47:43 PM] Sirius 17: the vampire Bill
    [4:48:18 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bill+the+vampire+from+true+blood&FORM=HDRSC2
    [4:49:04 PM] Sirius 17: it is a good series i just found on Hbo
    [4:49:15 PM] Sirius 17: been going for 6 years
    [4:49:25 PM] Sirius 17: i am up to the 3rd year
    [4:49:40 PM] Sirius 17: has some really hilarious parallels with the times
    [4:50:15 PM] Sirius 17: it is about vampires coming out of the coffins, kind of a parody of the gays comming out of the closet lol
    [4:50:30 PM] Sirius 17: they reveal themselves to the humans and fight for equal rights ect
    [4:50:56 PM] Sirius 17: there is a group of them that want to subjigate humans and the others want equality
    [4:51:12 PM] Sirius 17: lots of sex, blood and dark humor
    [4:51:40 PM] Sirius 17: and supernatural beings
    [4:51:51 PM] Sirius 17: shapeshifters, warewolves, ect
    [4:52:22 PM] Sirius 17: you might like the series, if you can find it on download someplace
     
     




     
    [4:52:30 PM] Shiloh: Well I am flattered and certainly can identify with the femme fatale in his arms, lol. Bill Compton (Stephen) is 173 years old (young for a vampire) and Sookie Stackhouse (Anna) is a halfbreed hybrid between humans and fairies (hear this sanicle?) - this is a nice match up indeed. And the 'Great Revelation' is that all immortal vampires are no longer required to feed on human (blood) and so integration between dragons and old humans becomes possible. I don't think oxy would mind sharing Sookie Stackhouse too or being shared in 'that style' - never mind the 'environment of dark connotations' portrayed in this series.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Blood
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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

    Post  Brook on Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:52 am


    ...you might like the series, if you can find it on download someplace
    In good old Hollywood they have this thing called "rerun"


    Reruns are shows that are rerun for people that don't get to view it the first time. At least to the best of my knowledge which is of course now defunct:



    there are other really smart people on this site?


    Here is another rerun:


    Before my son John died he would travel to various cities and countries to film.  When he was in Los Angeles he would often get mistaken for Stephen Moyer.  In fact one time when he was in Las Vegas the hotel he was in wanted to give him a complementary room. 


    But of course he was NOT Stephen Moyer he was REALLY John Pedone. 


    Not long after that both of my sons got hired to work on True Blood and a series shot of Fangtasia (the local blood saloon) Where the lust for BLOOD can be quenched.


    Sons John and Braydon quenching their thirst for blood on the SET:






    But of course....RELAX... it's Just a Movie!


    I don't see the resemblance to Stephen Moyer but perhaps you do.


    Bill the Vampire and John






    Blood LUST and Wonder?


    Wonder where this all comes from?  (In all my pronounced ignorance...)I browse and...

     here is yet another rerun:




    Spent the morning browsing the Mists of Avalon
    and observed so many isms, and disregard for them in their particular meanings and Perceptions. Some rather seeming hateful/derogatory response as well as negligent.

    Oooooo Eeeeee!  What up with that?






    In browsing of semantics today I ran into several Assumed Positions of shall I say a natural order of:



    Perception Overload/Adjustment and sequence.

    Every Fool has their own path.

    Some of my "isms":

    It's always darkest before the dawn.

    The Sun rises on the Horizon.

    My power is in the horizon.

    ~

    No path is the wrong path for the Fool that walks it.  It's a lesson in this thing called life.  Just a fork in the road.

    Follow your Path and perhaps:

    ALL paths are Right.

    ~

    ALL RIGHT

    ~

    Alright?

    ~


    The Path/Road to Shambala is a rocky one for certain!




    In my lust for Coffee I have my own particular Perception Overload/Adjustment and Sequence.



    Observable perception with adjustments ....But first, some Coffee Lust sequence and how it effects me.


     Lmfao 






    Everyone is helpful...Every one is kind on the road to Shambala.....No?



    [4:40:31 PM] Sirius 17: there are other really smart people on this site?
    [4:40:36 PM] Sirius 17: where have i been?




    ~



    Semantics



    from Ancient Greek:"significant" ...the study of meaning.



    The branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning.

    ~





    ~

    Ism is a derived word used in philosophy, politics, religion or other areas pertaining to an Ideology of some sort, sometimes with a derogatory sense.






    In all my ignorance:








    No one is "right" and everyone is "write". Think I'll join Brook for a cup of JO with a dash of


    I'll take mine with a bit of Baileys Irish Cream Wink


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    Re: The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Book One)

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:56 am

    Thank-you Raven and Brook. I think a lot about the tragic death of John. I really do. I think a lot about Egyptology and Christianity -- in very unconventional ways. I really do. Most days -- I'd rather just drink coffee and watch science-fiction. I really would. I'm really tired of my strange journey. I really am. This thread is probably not mental-health enhancing. Many religions are probably not mental-health enhancing. This thread is sort of a Secret-Laboratory (because very few view it). Many religions have tens (or hundreds) of millions of true-believers. I was attracted to the ministry of Dr. Robert H. Schuller because it eliminated a lot of the BS -- yet it created some new problems. What might a Crystal Cathedral version of this thread look like?? Perhaps one should forget this whole mess -- and just read The Wall Street Journal -- and I am very serious. What would the Slim Shady version of Archangel Michael (standing up) look like?? What would happen if Michael didn't stand up?? What if Michael stood-up 2,000 years ago?? What if we've been in the Time of the End for at least 2,000 years?? What if very few have stood-up for what Jesus actually taught?? What if very few presently stand-up for what Jesus actually taught?? What Would Noah Say Today?? Is the book of Revelation mental-health enhancing?? How many interpretations of the book of Revelation exist?? How many people are in mental-institutions because of the book of Revelation?? I talk about some of this present madness because I deal with a very select and fickle audience. Is there a reasonable way to clean-up this solar system -- without destroying it (and without exterminating humanity)?? Regarding this question -- I seem to be in conflict with BOTH Divinity and Humanity. Everyone seems to think that someone (other than themselves) should die (eternally or otherwise). It's rather sad -- don't you think?? What Would Slim Shady Say?? Notice the Completely Ignorant and Insane Fool -- Doing Donuts in a Blue Pacer??!! I used to do that sort of thing with my Blue AMC Pacer (in the snow)!! What Would John Denver Say?? What Would Russell Crowe Say?? What Would David Bowman Say?? What Would David Mann Say?? What Would King David Say?? Consider Reading Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation -- straight-through -- over and over!! Consider the following eschatology study!! Try thinking in terms of Gabriel and Michael. Somewhat unrelatedly (or perhaps not) try thinking in terms of the King and Queen of Babylon!! Consider Archangel-Centric-Egyptology!! What Would Ba'al and Quetesh Say?? Consider re-watching Stargate: Continuum!! Consider REALLY Mastering This Particular Post, Before Moving-On!! This stuff scares the hell out of me!! What about you?? Do You Feel Lucky??










    Daniel 8: 1 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.  2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw , that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.  3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw , and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.  4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great .  5 And as I was considering , behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.  6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.  7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.  8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great : and when he was strong , the great horn was broken ; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.  9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great , toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.  10 And it waxed great , even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.  11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away , and the place of his sanctuary was cast down .  12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised , and prospered .  13 Then I heard one saint speaking , and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake , How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation , to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?  14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days  ; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed .  15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.  16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called , and said , Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.  17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came , I was afraid , and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand , O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.  18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.  19 And he said , Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.  20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.  21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.  22 Now that being broken , whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.  23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full , a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up .  24 And his power shall be mighty , but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully , and shall prosper , and practise , and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.  25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.  26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.  27 And I Daniel fainted , and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up , and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

    Daniel 12: 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up , the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered , every one that shall be found written in the book.  2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake , some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.  3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.  4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro , and knowledge shall be increased .  5 Then I Daniel looked , and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.  6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?  7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished .  8 And I heard , but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?  9 And he said , Go thy way , Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.  10 Many shall be purified , and made white , and tried ; but the wicked shall do wickedly : and none of the wicked shall understand ; but the wise shall understand .  11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away , and the abomination that maketh desolate set up , there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.  12 Blessed is he that waiteth , and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.  13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest , and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

    Matthew 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,  2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:  3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe , that observe and do ; but do not ye after their works: for they say , and do not.  4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.  5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men  : they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,  6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,  7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.  8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.  9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.  10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.  11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.  12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased ; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted .  13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in .  14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer : therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.  15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made , ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.  16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say , Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor !  17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?  18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever  sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty .  19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?  20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon .  21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.  22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon .  23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment , mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done , and not to leave the other undone .  24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.  25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.  26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.  27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.  28 Even so ye also  outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.  29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,  30 And say , If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.  31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.  32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.  33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?  34 Wherefore , behold , I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify ; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:  35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.  36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.  37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy  children together , even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!  38 Behold , your house is left unto you desolate.  39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth , till ye shall say , Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    Matthew 24: 1 And Jesus went out , and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.  2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down .  3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately , saying , Tell us, when shall these things be ? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?  4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  5 For many shall come in my name, saying , I am Christ; and shall deceive many.  6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled : for all these things must come to pass , but the end is not yet.  7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.  8 All  these are the beginning of sorrows.  9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.  10 And then shall many be offended , and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.  11 And many false prophets shall rise , and shall deceive many.  12 And because iniquity shall abound , the love of many shall wax cold .  13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved .  14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come .  15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth , let him understand :)  16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:  17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:  18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.  19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!  20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:  21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be .  22 And except those days should be shortened , there should no flesh be saved : but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened .  23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo , here is Christ, or there; believe it not.  24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.  25 Behold , I have told you before .  26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold , he is in the desert; go not forth : behold , he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.  27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be .  28 For wheresoever the carcase is , there will the eagles be gathered together .  29 Immediately  after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken :  30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn , and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other .  32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:  33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.  34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass , till  all these things be fulfilled .  35 Heaven and earth shall pass away , but my words shall not pass away .  36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.  37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be .  38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking , marrying and giving in marriage , until the day that Noe entered into the ark,  39 And knew not until the flood came , and took them all away ; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be .  40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken , and the other left .  41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken , and the other left .  42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come .  43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come , he would have watched , and would not have suffered his house to be broken up .  44 Therefore  be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh .  45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?  46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing .  47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods .  48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming ;  49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken ;  50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of ,  51 And shall cut him asunder , and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew 25: 1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.  2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.  3 They that were foolish took their  lamps, and took no oil with them:  4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.  5 While the bridegroom tarried , they all slumbered and slept .  6 And at midnight there was a cry made , Behold , the bridegroom cometh ; go ye out to meet him.  7 Then all those virgins arose , and trimmed their lamps.  8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out .  9 But the wise answered , saying , Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell , and buy for yourselves.  10 And while they went to buy , the bridegroom came ; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut .  11 Afterward  came also the other virgins, saying , Lord, Lord, open to us.  12 But he answered and said , Verily I say unto you, I know you not.  13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh .  14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country , who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods .  15 And unto one he gave five talents , to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey .  16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.  17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.  18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.  19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh , and reckoneth  with them.  20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying , Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.  21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.  22 He also that had received two talents came and said , Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.  23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.  24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said , Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown , and gathering where thou hast not strawed :  25 And I was afraid , and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.  26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed :  27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.  28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.  29 For unto every one that hath shall be given , and he shall have abundance : but from him that hath not shall be taken away  even that which he hath .  30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.  31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:  32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:  33 And he shall set  the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.  34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come , ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:  35 For I was an hungred , and ye gave me meat : I was thirsty , and ye gave me drink : I was a stranger, and ye took me in :  36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick , and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.  37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying , Lord, when saw we thee an hungred , and fed thee? or thirsty , and gave thee drink ?  38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in ? or naked, and clothed thee?  39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?  40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.  41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed , into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:  42 For I was an hungred , and ye gave me no meat : I was thirsty , and ye gave me no drink :  43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in : naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.  44 Then shall they also answer him, saying , Lord, when saw we thee an hungred , or athirst , or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?  45 Then shall he answer them, saying , Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.  46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.  


    Revelation 12: 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:  2 And she being with child cried , travailing in birth , and pained to be delivered .  3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.  4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered , for to devour her child as soon as it was born .  5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.  6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.  7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,  8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.  9 And the great dragon was cast out , that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down , which accused them before our God day and night.  11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.  12 Therefore  rejoice , ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.  13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.  14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time , and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.  15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.  16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.  17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Revelation 13: 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.  2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.  3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed : and all the world wondered after the beast.  4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying , Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?  5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.  6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.  7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.  8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  9 If any man have an ear, let him hear .  10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.  11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.  12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein  to worship the first beast, whose  deadly wound was healed .  13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,  14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live .  15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak , and cause that as many as would  not worship the image of the beast should be killed  .  16 And he causeth all, both small and great , rich and poor , free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand , or in their foreheads:  17 And that no man might buy or sell , save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    Revelation 14: 1 And I looked , and, lo , a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.  2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:  3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.  4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth . These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.  5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.  6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,  7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come : and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.  8 And there followed another angel, saying , Babylon is fallen , is fallen , that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.  9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,  10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:  11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.  12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.  13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write , Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow  them.  14 And I looked , and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.  15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap : for the time is come for thee to reap ; for the harvest of the earth is ripe .  16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped .  17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.  18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying , Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe .  19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.  20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.






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