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    Post  RedEzra on Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:59 am

    There is a timeline in the book of Daniel chapter 9 in the Bible. An angel Gabriel gave the exact timing of an important event namely "until the Messiah".

    "Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks" - Daniel 9:25

    The command to rebuild Jerusalem was given by king Artaxerxes I of Persia in his 20th regnal year according to the book of Nehemiah in the Bible.

    "And it came to pass in the month of Nisan in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes." - Nehemiah 2:1

    Nisan is the first month of Spring (March/April) beginning with the new moon and is the month of Passover on the full moon. Passover is the Jewish commemoration about death passing over the firstborne Israelites in Egypt because of the blood of a lamb on the doorposts. Since then every year on 10 Nisan unblemished lambs were inspected and sacrificed to God on 14 Nisan Passover. Now Jesus rode into Jerusalem on 10 Nisan and was crucified on 14 Nisan.

    According to Julius Africanus the 20th year of Artaxerxes was Olympiad 83 year 4 which we know was between July 445 BC and July 444 BC. So in Nisan or Spring of 444 BC the command to rebuild Jerusalem was given and the prophetic clock "until the Messiah" began counting down.

    7 x 7 (weeks) + 62 x 7 (weeks) = 69 x 7 (weeks)
    69 x 7 (weeks) x 360 (prophetic year) = 173880 days

    Divide the days by 365.24 to get 476.07 solar years from Spring of 444 BC "until the Messiah" in Spring of 33 AD.

    Isaac Newton believed the timeline in Daniel 9 also gave away the Second Coming of Christ and with this in mind the Jews "restored" control over Jerusalem on 7 June 1967. Counting 7 x 7 (weeks) x 360 (prophetic year) = 17640 days from that date countdowns to 23 September 2015 the Day of Atonement !

    If this is correct then the 70th and last week seven years of Daniel and the last chapter of the Bible known as the Apocalypse begins on 23 September 2015. Read Revelation to know what to expect or better yet repent yesterday and get right with God today.

    "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16
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    Post  shiloh on Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:14 am

    RedEzra wrote:There is a timeline in the book of Daniel chapter 9 in the Bible. An angel Gabriel gave the exact timing of an important event namely "until the Messiah".

    "Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks" - Daniel 9:25

    The command to rebuild Jerusalem was given by king Artaxerxes I of Persia in his 20th regnal year according to the book of Nehemiah in the Bible.

    "And it came to pass in the month of Nisan in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes." - Nehemiah 2:1

    Nisan is the first month of Spring (March/April) beginning with the new moon and is the month of Passover on the full moon. Passover is the Jewish commemoration about death passing over the firstborne Israelites in Egypt because of the blood of a lamb on the doorposts. Since then every year on 10 Nisan unblemished lambs were inspected and sacrificed to God on 14 Nisan Passover. Now Jesus rode into Jerusalem on 10 Nisan and was crucified on 14 Nisan.

    According to Julius Africanus the 20th year of Artaxerxes was Olympiad 83 year 4 which we know was between July 445 BC and July 444 BC. So in Nisan or Spring of 444 BC the command to rebuild Jerusalem was given and the prophetic clock "until the Messiah" began counting down.

    7 x 7 (weeks) + 62 x 7 (weeks) = 69 x 7 (weeks)
    69 x 7 (weeks) x 360 (prophetic year) = 173880 days

    Divide the days by 365.24 to get 476.07 solar years from Spring of 444 BC "until the Messiah" in Spring of 33 AD.

    Isaac Newton believed the timeline in Daniel 9 also gave away the Second Coming of Christ and with this in mind the Jews "restored" control over Jerusalem on 7 June 1967. Counting 7 x 7 (weeks) x 360 (prophetic year) = 17640 days from that date countdowns to 23 September 2015 the Day of Atonement !

    If this is correct then the 70th and last week seven years of Daniel and the last chapter of the Bible known as the Apocalypse begins on 23 September 2015. Read Revelation to know what to expect or better yet repent yesterday and get right with God today.

    "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16
     
    This is a highly appropriate observation RedEzra; however your calculation bears closer scrutiny and examination.
    The 20th year or Artaxerxes is dated at 446BC with respect to the Hebrew 'New Year' of September 18th in 446BC and as can be checked here:
     
    http://www.harvardhouse.com/prophetictech/new/artaxerxes_chronology.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artaxerxes_I_of_Persia
     
    It can be argued, comparing Nehemiah.1.1-3 with 2.1-8 and Ezra.4.21-24 and the overall chronology of the 'rebuilding of the temple' by Zerubbabel from the Cyrus decree of 538BC to Ezra's return 521-515 BC under Darius  I and the Artaxerxes withdrawal of the 'building permits' in view of the 'interferences' of the anti Hebrew factions fearing a refortification of Jerusalem (Artaxerxes temporarily stopped the building of the Wall of Jerusalem and not the temple itself) - that the 'Month of Nisan' of Nehemiah so preceded the actual 'return' in the Hebrew New Year 446BC in the spring of 446 BC and not the next year of 445 BC.
     
    446BC becomes -445 in the proleptic scientific daycount for the Gregorian 'Civil year' of 365.2425 'mean solar days' and 483 'Great Platonic years', each of 360 'civil days and nights', by whom the lunar and solar calendars are observed, calculated and refined by the 'scribes' of antiquity and of today, then calculate as 360x483=173,880 such days as 173,880/365.2425=476.067... 'civil years'.
     
    Subsequently then -445+476=31 AD as the correct and astronomically confirmed date of the 1st Easter (The New Moon in Aries occurred at 13:30 hours UCT on Tuesday, March 27th, 31AD and following the Equinox of Friday, March 23rd at 5am UCT) and the Crucifixion-Resurrection of the World twin Logos aka the Right Side maleness with a Left side femaleness of the Eucharistic Christenings foreseen in the Torah and the prophetic books of the bible, including Daniel and Revelation.
    The rotation of the earth as a planetary gravitationally body interacting with the solar system slows down over time and this increases the distance between the earth and its moon. 2000 years ago, this change in the orbital astrophysics amounted to just under 3 hours in the calculus celestial applicable at that time.
     
    Newton's Error was to insist on a Friday Crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection, as was the accepted norm at his time; he calculated the Passovers and festivals and the 'barley observations' however very accurately and his 800 AD date as a kind of 'turning point' for the actual 'stewardship political' with respect to the governance of the 'Kingdom of the Devil' on the Earth as the 'First Holy Roman Emperor' Charlemagne, crowned by then Pope Leo III is in perfect agreement with later prophetic encodings, say from Mother Shipton and Nostradamus.
     
    I have added some more details on this below for your considerations, also inferring the Blood Moon tetrad you have hinted at in regards to the 'New Israel' and the '3rd Temple of Solomon', the second being the one used by Jesus to bridge the edicts of Cyrus, Artaxerxes, Darius and so Ezra and Nehemiah to the Apocalypse of John de Patmos.
     
     
    http://ilovetownandcountry.com/Prophecy.pdf
     
     

    2015 = 2060

    1335-1290=45=2060-2015
    360+720+180=1260
    10x60+60+60x10
    600+3003+006
    666



     
     
     
     
    Newton's Date For The Crucifixion
    by John P. Pratt
    Reprinted from Quarterly Journal of Royal Astronomical Society 32, (Sept. 1991), 301-304.
    (Received 1991 February 19; in original form 1990 July 16)
     
    http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/newton.html
     
    Schaefer (1990) and other modern researchers are apparently not aware that Sir Isaac Newton (1733) was the first to derive a date for the crucifixion of Christ by calculating when the crescent of the new moon was first visible in order to correlate the Judean and Julian calendars. Fotheringham (1934) claimed to have been the first to have investigated thin crescent visibility (1910a), and to have thus dated the crucifixion (1910b). Apparently no one has questioned his claim, but Newton obtained similar results two centuries earlier.
     

    Sir Isaac Newton
    Researchers from Newton to Schaefer have essentially agreed on dates of lunar visibility, but not on the resultant crucifixion date. The two most accepted dates are Friday, AD 30 April 7, and Friday AD 33 April 3. It has been known that Newton preferred Friday, AD 34 April 23, but his reasons apparently have been forgotten. Schaefer notes the date without comment, while Humphreys & Waddington (1983) and Humphries (1989) suggest that Newton's "chief reason seems to have been that 23 April is St. George's Day." On the contrary, Newton reconstructed the Judean calendar just as they did.
     
    Newton began by dating the baptism of Christ in AD 29 during the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar (Luke 3:1, 21). He then cited evidence for a total of five (rather than four) passovers during the ministry, implying an AD 34 crucifixion. Then Newton did the calendrical analysis almost exactly as has been done since: determining in which years the crucifixion day, 14 Nisan on the Judean calendar, could have been a Friday (John 19:14, 42). He stated that the Jews deemed the crescent visible "about 18 h after the true conjunction," which is optimistic even near the spring equinox. Using that rule to determine the first day of Nisan, he calculated the day of the week for 14 Nisan for the years AD 31-36. He thus excluded AD 31, 32 and 35 because 14 Nisan could not have been a Friday, which has been confirmed by all modern researchers. After next excluding AD 35 and 36 on historical grounds, he had narrowed the field to AD 33 April 3 andAD 34 April 23. He then found a final argument for AD 34 in the ripeness of the corn at passover, based on Luke 6:1 referring to the last day of passover two yrs prior to the crucifixion.
     
    Thus, Newton first narrowed the possible years down to AD 33 and AD 34; had he preferred AD 33, his reasoning would probably have been researched sooner because that date now appears to be correct. The AD 34 choice has few supporters; it conflicts with the date of Paul's conversion, which Newton had apparently not considered, and arguments for a fifth passover and those based on the ripeness of the corn are not compelling. Moreover, Newton's choice of Friday, AD 34 April 23, rather than Thursday, AD 34 April 22, depended on invoking a postponement rule from the modern Hebrew calendar which Zeitlin (1966) has effectively argued was not used at that time. However, although Newton's arguments for AD 34 have not passed the test of time, the basis for his second choice of AD 33 is still sound.
     
    Since Newton, scholarly opinion has favoured AD 30 and is only recently returning to the AD 33 date. The principal reason for having preferred AD 30 was that Christ was supposedly born about 6 BC, before the death of Herod in 4 BC, which favors AD 30 because Christ allegedly lived about 33 years. To support this theory, it was conjectured that Luke reckoned the fifteenth year of Tiberius in the AD 26-28 period, rather than AD 29. Currently, that theory is being challenged for several reasons. The strongest is what Newton implied: Roman history indicates AD 29 was Tiberius' fifteenth year and no substantial evidence to the contrary has surfaced. Moreover, Maier (1968) has pointed out that Pilate's capitulation when accused of not being "Caesar's friend" (John 19:12), and his desire to appease Herod Antipas (Luke 23:12) require the crucifixion to have been after the death of Sejanus in AD 31. Humphreys & Waddington (1983) have suggested that reports that "the Moon appeared like blood" at the crucifixion probably referred to the lunar eclipse on 3 April AD 33, and Humphreys (1990) has refuted Schaefer's conclusion that the eclipse could not have been seen from Jerusalem. Finally, evidence is mounting that Herod died later than 4 BC, perhaps as late as AD 1 (Pratt, 1990).
     
    Newton almost certainly would have been aware of the 4 BC death date for Herod. Barr (1985) has noted that the belief that Herod died in 4 BC was widely known after Scaliger's work appeared in 1583, that Bishop Ussher's date for the creation in 4004 BC was calculated as exactly 4,000 years before that date, and that his chronology was printed in Bibles after 1701. Newton, however, did not base his date for the crucifixion on any traditions about the birth of Christ or the length of his life. After he reviewed several opinions about the date of Christ's birth, he concluded that "there is no tradition worth considering" and then went on to deduce the crucifixion date.
     
    Because of the difficulty of obtaining Newton's original work, the calendrical portion is included here (italics and capitalization are his):
     
    I take it for granted that the passion was on friday the 14th day of the month Nisan, the great feast of the Passover on saturday the 15th day of Nisan, and the resurrection on the day following. Now the 14th day of Nisan always fell on the full moon next after the vernal Equinox; and the month began at the new moon before, not at the true conjunction, but at the first appearance of the new moon; for the Jews referred all the time of the silent moon, as they phrased it, that is, of the moon's disappearing, to the old moon; and because the first appearance might usually be about 18 h after the true conjunction, they therefore began their month from the sixth hour at evening, that is, at sun set, next after the eighteenth hour from the conjunction. And this rule they called Jah, designing by the letters and the number 18.

    I know that Epiphanius tells us, if some interpret his words rightly, that the Jews used a vicious cycle, and thereby anticipated the legal new moons by two days. But this surely he spake not as a witness, for he neither understood Astronomy nor Rabbinical learning, but as arguing from his erroneous hypothesis about the time of the passion. For the Jews did not anticipate, but postpone their months: they thought it lawful to begin their months a day later than the first appearance of the new moon, because the new moon continued for more days than one; but not a day sooner, lest they should celebrate the new moon before there was any. And the Jews still keep a tradition in their books, that the Sanhedrim used diligently to define the new moons by sight: sending witnesses into mountainous places, and examining them about the moon's appearing, and translating the new moon from the day they had agreed on to the day before, as often as witnesses came from distant regions, who had seen it a day sooner than it was seen at Jerusalem....

    Computing therefore the new moons of the first month according to the course of the moon and the rule Jah, and thence counting 14 days, I find that the 14th day of this month in the year of Christ 31, fell on tuesday March 27; in the year 32, on sunday Apr. 13; in the year 33, on friday Apr. 3; in the year 34, on wednesday March 24, or rather, for avoiding the Equinox which fell on the same day, and for having a fitter time for harvest, on thursday Apr. 22, also in the year 35, on tuesday Apr. 12, and in the year 36, on saturday March 31.

    But because the 15th and 21st days of Nisan, and a day or two of Pentecost, and the 10th, 15th, and 22nd of Tisri, were always sabbatical days or days of rest, and it was inconvenient on two sabbaths together to be prohibited burying their dead and making ready fresh meat, for in that hot region their meat would be apt in two days to corrupt: to avoid these and such like inconveniences, the Jews postponed their months a day, as often as the first day of the month Tisri, or which is all one, the third of the month Nisan was sunday, wednesday, or friday: and this rule they called Adu, by the letters aleph, daleth, waw, signifying the numbers 1, 4, 6, that is, the 1st, 4th, and 6th days of the week, which days we call sunday, wednesday, and friday. Postponing therefore by this rule the months found above; the 14th day of the month Nisan will fall in the year of Christ 31 on wednesday March 28; in the year 32 on monday Apr. 14; in the year 33 on friday Apr. 3; in the year 34, on friday Apr. 23; in the year 35, on wednesday Apr. 13; and in the year 36, on saturday March 31.

    By this computation therefore the year 32 is absolutely excluded, because the Passion cannot fall on friday without making it five days after the full moon, or two days before it; whereas it ought to be upon the day of the full moon, or the next day. For the same reasons the years 31 and 35 are excluded, because in them the Passion cannot fall on friday, without making it three days after the full moon or four days before it: errors so enormous, that they would be very conspicuous in the heavens even to the vulgar eye. The year 36 is contended for by few or none, and both this and the year 35 may be thus excluded....

    Thus there remain only the years 33 and 34 to be considered; and the year 33 I exclude by this argument. In the Passover two years before the Passion, then Christ went thro' the corn, and his disciples pluckt the ears, and rubbed them with their hands to eat; this ripeness of the corn shews that the Passover then fell late: and so did the Passover AC 32, April 14, but the Passover AC 31, March 28th, fell very early. It was not therefore two years after the year 31, but two years after 32 that Christ suffered.

    Thus all the characters of the Passion agree to the year 34; and that is the only year to which they all agree.
     
     
    In conclusion, much of Newton's derivation of the crucifixion date is not only still sound, it was based on reconstructing the Judean calendar, which is the modern technique. It was only in Newton's final step of preferring AD 34 over AD 33 that he no longer appears to be correct.
     
    References:
    Barr, James, 1985. "Why the world was created in 4004 B.C.: Archbishop Ussher and Biblical Chronology," Bulletin of the John Rylands University Library of Manchester 67, No. 2, 575-608.
    Fotheringham, J.K., 1910a. "On the smallest visible phase of the moon," Mon. Not. Roy. Astr. Soc. 70, 527-531.
    ------1910b. "Astronomical Evidence for the Date of the Crucifixion," Jour. of Theological Stud. 12, 120-127.
    ------1934. "The Evidence of Astronomy and Technical Chronology for the Date of the Crucifixion," Jour. of Theological Stud. 35, 146-162.
    Humphreys, C.J., and Waddington, W.G., 1983. "Dating the Crucifixion," Nature 306, 743-46.
    ------1989. "Astronomy and the Date of the Crucifixion," in Chronos, Kairos, Christos, ed. J. Vardaman and E.M. Yamauchi (Winona Lake: Eisenbrauns), p. 165-181.
    ------1990. "Crucifixion Date," Nature 348, 684.
    Maier, Paul L. 1968. "Sejanus, Pilate, and the Date of the Crucifixion," Church History 37, 3-13.
    Newton, Sir Isaac, 1733. "Of the Times of the Birth and Passion of Christ", chapter 11 in Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of St. John (London: J. Darby and T. Browne), pp. 144-168.
    Pratt, John P., 1990. "Yet Another Eclipse for Herod," The Planetarian 19, No.4, 8-14.
    Schaefer, Bradley E., 1990. "Lunar visibility and the crucifixion," Q. Jl. R. astr. Soc. 31, 53-67.
    Zeitlin, S., 1966. "The Judean Calendar during the Second Commonwealth and the Scrolls," Jewish Quar. Rev. 57, 28-45. M
     
     


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    The Star of Bethlehem and Christian Mythology


     
    The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi

    "The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi has stunning new insight and approach, which finally gives a confident answer to a question that has fascinated all Christians through the ages. ... don't buy any other book on the Star of Bethlehem, because the old astronomical views are guaranteed to be irrelevant." — Prof. Bradley E. Schaefer, Yale University

    Could the purchase of an ancient coin have led to an important clue about the Star of Bethlehem? The above illustration is a Roman coin from Antioch, Syria which shows the zodiacal sign, Aries the Ram. In trying to understand the meaning behind this coin, I found that Aries was the sign of the Jews. Realizing that this is where ancient stargazers would have watched for the Star of Bethlehem, I embarked on searching for the celestial event that signified the birth of the Messiah in Judea.

    Superposed on the photograph of the coin is what I found: Jupiter underwent two occultations ("eclipses") by the Moon in Aries in 6 BC. Jupiter was the regal "star" that conferred kingships - a power that was amplified when Jupiter was in close conjunctions with the Moon. The second occultation on April 17 coincided precisely when Jupiter was "in the east," a condition mentioned twice in the biblical account about the Star of Bethlehem. In August of that year Jupiter became stationary and then "went before" through Aries where it became stationary again on December 19, 6 BC. This is when the regal planet "stood over." - a secondary royal portent also described in the Bible. In particular, there is confirmation from a Roman astrologer that the conditions of April 17, 6 BC were believed to herald the birth of a divine, immortal, and omnipotent person born under the sign of the Jews, which we now know was Aries the Ram. Furthermore, the coins of Antioch and ancient astrological documents show that there was indeed a Star of Bethlehem as reported in the biblical account of Matthew.

    "The Star of Bethlehem is a fascinating contribution to the immense literature that attempts to come to terms with the Christmas star reported in Matthew's Gospel.  In my opinion, this book is the most original and important contribution of the entire 20th century on the thorny question of how events recorded there should be interpreted." - Prof. Owen Gingerich, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

    The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi is published by Rutgers University Press. (ISBN: 0-8135-2701-5) In the book you will see why the star was not a comet or supernova. Nor was it the famous "triple conjunction." The practices and beliefs of astrologers during Herod's reign show why Jupiter and the planets in Aries the Ram on April 17, 6 BC signified a Messianic birth. You will also find confirmation by a Roman astrologer, Firmicus Maternus, that the conditions of that day when Jupiter was in the east were those for the birth of a "divine and immortal" person. The evidence is that Firmicus was a Christian convert, and I argue that he had the birth of Jesus in mind. The book also explains how astrologers interpreted Emperor Nero's horoscope to predict that he was to survive his overthrow and rise up in Judea - a story that evolved into tales about the antichrist. Finally, I explain the relationship of the coins of Antioch to the Star of Bethlehem and the census of Quirinius described in Luke.


    "In support of an original interpretation of the Star, Molnar has assembled an impressive range of astrological and numismatic data, much of which will be new even to expert readers." - Prof. Virginia Trimble, University of California, Irvine and University of Maryland, and author of Visit to a Small Universe.

    http://www.eclipse.net/~molnar/
     
    New Theory on the Christmas Star
    By PRISCILLA VAN TASSEL
    Published: December 22, 1991
    http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/22/nyregion/new-theory-on-the-christmas-star.html
     
    A RUTGERS astronomer thinks he may have stumbled onto the scientific explanation of the Christmas star. In an article appearing in next month's issue of Sky & Telescope magazine, the astronomer, Dr. Michael Molnar, manager of the physics instructional labs at Rutgers, argues that the star that led the Magi to Bethlehem was actually the moon eclipsing the planet Jupiter.
    Since the issue reached the newsstands two weeks ago, Dr. Molnar's theory has provoked angry letters from some Christians and attracted attention from as far away as the British Broadcasting Corporation in London.
    It is the most recent of dozens of theories that have been advanced over the years to explain the mystery of the star of Bethlehem.
    Dr. Molnar said he had made his findings almost accidentally. A numismatics buff, he had been examining ancient Roman coins for evidence of celestial events when he came across a group of coins from Antioch, the capital of the Roman province of Syria, that dated to the early first century A.D. The coins bore the image of Aries, the ram of the zodiac, looking back at a star or a crescent and a star.
     
    From additional research, Dr. Molnar learned that Aries was a symbol of Judea at the time and that ancient astrologers believed that a new king would be born when the moon passed in front of Jupiter.
    "I asked myself that if astrologers during those times were looking to the sign of the zodiac as a clue of what was going on in Judea, could it be that the Magi, who were believed to be astrologers, were also looking to the same constellation for a sign indicating that a new king of Judea was born?" Dr. Molnar said.
    The Bible mentions that the star seen by the Magi reappears and settles above Bethlehem. In a computerized search, Dr. Molnar was able to scan the skies of nearly 2,000 years ago to see if the moon had crossed Jupiter's path twice over a short period of time.
    "My prediction was exactly fulfilled," Dr. Molnar said. "On March 20, 6 B.C., right at sunset, the moon eclipsed the planet Jupiter, and one month later, on April 17, the event occurred again, this time high in the sky at noon in the direction of Bethlehem as viewed from Jerusalem."
    Dr. Molnar said that the occultations would not have been visible because of the bright sunlight, but that the Magi would have had the knowledge to track them anyway.
    Astronomers have been offering scientific explanations for the Christmas star for centuries. In one of the oldest theories, dating to the 1600's, the German astronomer Johannes Kepler maintained that the star was a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn that occurred in 7 B.C.
    Another theory has it that the light that guided the Magi came from a supernova, a star that undergoes a tremendous explosion. Others have suggested that it was merely a comet or the planet Venus. 'Certainly Plausible' Thesis
    Roger Sinnott, who edited Dr. Molnar's piece for Sky & Telescope, said that the astronomical calculations Dr. Molnar made in his article had been checked for accuracy and that the eclipses had occurred as stated. While calling Dr. Molnar's thesis "certainly plausible," he said he was nevertheless partial to another explanation.
    "I wrote an article, and I kind of like my own theories better," Mr. Sinnott said, referring to his account, first published in 1968, that said the Christmas star was in reality a very close conjunction of Jupiter and Venus.
     




     
     
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    Post  RedEzra on Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:08 am

    Hi much good info Shiloh.

    Xerxes I of Persia was assassinated in August 465 BC by the commander of the royal bodyguard Artabanus the most powerful official in the Persian court. And Artabanus was reportedly Regent of Persia for a few months before Artaxerxes I son of Xerxes assumed the kingship.

    Sextus Julius Africanus wrote a history of the world "Chronographiai" from Creation to the year AD 221 covering according to his computation 5723 years. Copious extracts from it can be found in the Chronicon of Eusebius and here the 20th year of Artaxerxes I is dated to Olympiad 83 year 4 which we know was from July 445 BC to July 444 BC which would place Nehemiah's Nisan or Spring in 444 BC.

    newadvent.org/fathers/0614.htm
    "For from Nehemiah, who was dispatched by Artaxerxes to build Jerusalem in the 115th year of the Persian empire, and the 4th year of the 83d Olympiad, and the 20th year of the reign of Artaxerxes himself, up to ibis date, which was the second year of the 202d Olympiad, and the 16th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar,"

    Also worth noticing here is the correlation between the 16th year of Tiberius with Olympiad 202 year 2 which we know was from July 30 AD to July 31 AD. According to the gospel of Luke John the Baptist began his mission in the 15th year of Tiberius and Jesus was about 30 years old at that time.

    There is a "parable of the barren fig tree" told by Jesus in Luke 13:6-9 which hints to the cursing of the fig tree and His crucifixion in His 4th spring season. Also there was a partial blood moon rising like a cup right after sunset 14 Nisan (3 April) 33 AD.


    What day did Jesus die ? Friday ! as Mark 15:42 plainly states.

    "Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath," - Mark 15:42

    The original Greek word for "Preparation Day" is "παρασκευή" and anybody can go to Google translate and type in "Friday" and let it translate into Greek and see it is the original Greek word for Friday.

    So since Jesus was crucified on 14 Nisan (3 April) 33 AD and was 30 years old in 29 AD then He must have been born in 2 BC.

    There was a close conjunction between Jupiter and Venus in Leo which lit up the western evening sky on 17 June 2 BC and this was probably the guiding star to the wise men from the east which set them packing and on their way westwards. Jupiter was seen above Bethlehem from Jerusalem unobstructed from moonlight as it was a new moon on 25 December 2 BC. And there was a total lunar eclipse seen from Judea on 10 Jan 1 BC which must be the eclipse mentioned by Josephus when king Herod was in Jericho and soon died there before Passover 1 BC.
    Jupiter began its first of three conjunctions with Regulus in Leo on Rosh Hashana the Jewish new year in 3 BC and if the wise men looking for the new King told Herod about this in December 2 BC then this was probably the reason why the babes in Bethlehem 2 years and younger was put to death. It is indicated by the Nativity that Jesus was born on the fall Feast of Tabernacles which began 15 Tishri (13 October) 2 BC and on that day Jupiter conjuncted again with Venus this time in Virgo.
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    Post  shiloh on Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:18 pm

    RedEzra wrote:Hi much good info Shiloh.

    Xerxes I of Persia was assassinated in August 465 BC by the commander of the royal bodyguard Artabanus the most powerful official in the Persian court. And Artabanus was reportedly Regent of Persia for a few months before Artaxerxes I son of Xerxes assumed the kingship.

    Sextus Julius Africanus wrote a history of the world "Chronographiai" from Creation to the year AD 221 covering according to his computation 5723 years. Copious extracts from it can be found in the Chronicon of Eusebius and here the 20th year of Artaxerxes I is dated to Olympiad 83 year 4 which we know was from July 445 BC to July 444 BC which would place Nehemiah's Nisan or Spring in 444 BC.

    newadvent.org/fathers/0614.htm
    "For from Nehemiah, who was dispatched by Artaxerxes to build Jerusalem in the 115th year of the Persian empire, and the 4th year of the 83d Olympiad, and the 20th year of the reign of Artaxerxes himself, up to ibis date, which was the second year of the 202d Olympiad, and the 16th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar,"

    Also worth noticing here is the correlation between the 16th year of Tiberius with Olympiad 202 year 2 which we know was from July 30 AD to July 31 AD. According to the gospel of Luke John the Baptist began his mission in the 15th year of Tiberius and Jesus was about 30 years old at that time.

    There is a "parable of the barren fig tree" told by Jesus in Luke 13:6-9 which hints to the cursing of the fig tree and His crucifixion in His 4th spring season. Also there was a partial blood moon rising like a cup right after sunset 14 Nisan (3 April) 33 AD.


    What day did Jesus die ? Friday ! as Mark 15:42 plainly states.

    "Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath," - Mark 15:42

    The original Greek word for "Preparation Day" is "παρασκευή" and anybody can go to Google translate and type in "Friday" and let it translate into Greek and see it is the original Greek word for Friday.

    So since Jesus was crucified on 14 Nisan (3 April) 33 AD and was 30 years old in 29 AD then He must have been born in 2 BC.

    There was a close conjunction between Jupiter and Venus in Leo which lit up the western evening sky on 17 June 2 BC and this was probably the guiding star to the wise men from the east which set them packing and on their way westwards. Jupiter was seen above Bethlehem from Jerusalem unobstructed from moonlight as it was a new moon on 25 December 2 BC. And there was a total lunar eclipse seen from Judea on 10 Jan 1 BC which must be the eclipse mentioned by Josephus when king Herod was in Jericho and soon died there before Passover 1 BC.
    Jupiter began its first of three conjunctions with Regulus in Leo on Rosh Hashana the Jewish new year in 3 BC and if the wise men looking for the new King told Herod about this in December 2 BC then this was probably the reason why the babes in Bethlehem 2 years and younger was put to death. It is indicated by the Nativity that Jesus was born on the fall Feast of Tabernacles which began 15 Tishri (13 October) 2 BC and on that day Jupiter conjuncted again with Venus this time in Virgo.
     
     
    Good information redezra indeed, which can be considered or ignored to anyone's choices and inclinations.
    I can see, that your information derives from divers sources, albeit associated with various researches into the historical congruences and possible verifications of the scripture accounts.
    Your data on the lunar cycles, eclipses and the chronologies of the ancient Persian kings and the general observance of the Jewish  festivals can certainly be checked and verified to a rather greater extent then the extrapolations of the scriptural encodings by the 'new testament churches' and groups, following their own particular interpretations.
     
    Herod died in 4BC, according to the historians consensus not biased by particular scripture code superpositions, such as the 2300, 1290 and 1260 'time for a year' encoding patterns as say defined in the Book of Daniel and many well meaning, but distorted attempts have been made throughout the last 2 millennia and centuries to relate the 490 day-week-years to the 2300 days, especially by the SDA bible students and interpreters.
     
    I can tell you, that there are certain codes, which were not be able to become 'revealed' until the 'times of the end' and the 'shortening of days', such as encoded in Daniel.12; Matthew.24 and in Revelation 10. Why do you think Jesus revers to the 'Flood of Noah' in Matthew.24 as a allegory to those 'last shortened' days?
    It is because there is just such an encoding keys related to the 'shortening of days' and referring to this strange code of the entire old world being covered by 15 cubits of water.
     
    You mention the fig tree prophecy and attempt to relate it to the Jewish seasons? Can you then 'discover' that the 2300 days clearly refer to a 'cleansing by water' in Daniel.8.14 and also Daniel.9.26 with Matthew.24.37-40 and Genesis.7.19-20.
     

    Daniel 8:14 (KJV)
    14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

    Daniel.9.26
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    Matthew.24.37-40
    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Genesis.7.19-20
    19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
    20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
     
    Now you did not see those encoding patterns before, wether on the www or from some historical account from whichever NT denomination and the reason for this is, that certain details regarding the congruences between the OT and the NT were sealed until the Logos of all worlds would release them and as encoded in Revelation 10 as a continuance of Zechariah 4.
     
    So how are the 2300 days of Daniel 8 related to Noah's flood, clearly invoked by Jesus in Matthew 24 and as clearly taken into account in Daniel.9?
     
    Here is the key, you can of course ignore or propagate to your heart's inclinations. But recall the 'Choices of the heart' as decoded in the Book of Isaiah, which was Jesus 'Instruction mission manual' by the way.
     
    First of all the controversy about the day for a year principle of Ezekiel 4 is far deeper, than the pundits old and new envison.
    It is used as the Time=360 days of course, but also simply defines a 'cycle of time'. So the seventy sevens are indeed 490 years AND they are also literally 490 days in the 'shortening of days' as one key of the 'Sermon of the Mount of Olives'.
     
    The 'shortening of days' refers most decisively to the day for a year for a Hour principle. And this is why the 'Judgement of Babylon' relates to the 'Day' as the 'Hour' of the Beast etc. It also describes a 'doubling of sorrows' of Babylon in Revelation.18.
     
    The ancient time chronos simply related 24 hours as 12 hours of a day and 12 hours of a night to 1 day AS 1 year.
    Then the simple proportion gives you that 1 'Hour' to the day is like 15 days to a year in 360 days/(1 day = 24 Hours)=15 days/1 Hour or simply 360/24=15/1. This code also relates to the 'Euphrates prophecy' of Revelation.9.14 and of the four angels at the corners of the earth being prepared for a year and a month and a day and a hour and the 'about half an hour of silence in heaven' in Revelation.8.1. All those apparent 'details' are more than whimsicalities of the authors as you might or might not be able to discern.
     
    This 'shortening of ALL prophetic timelines' manifested itself on the now infamous December 21st, 2012 nexus date.
     
    And the Mayan calendar and the pyramid inch measurements of Khufu do support this date, but are not actually required.
     
    The December 21st, 2012 date naturally crystallizes from the ratio of the inner court and outer court coded in Revelation 11 and in the scale of the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21.
    1600 furlongs/12,000 furlongs give you the 'Frequency of the New heavenly City' as 1/7.5, which is simply the perimeter of the planet earth traversed 7½ times by a beam of light. In more technical terms, it is called the base Schumann harmonic of the planetary atmosphere. I have published a detailed scientific description on this elsewhere on the forum.
    But twice 7.5 is of course 15 and half the ransom money of Jesus as 30 silver pieces and the 'hire' of Hosea's harlot in 15 silver pieces to instruct the 'prophets' and including Jesus as their culminating collective as to bridge the OT covenant of Moses and Abraham into a new Noahic covenant of the 'Old Harlot City Jerusalem' becoming 'reformed' into the 'Bride of the New Jerusalem'.
     
    There are many details, you can find about those correctly applied encoding patterns.
    In particular adding 1600 days as the measurement of the 'outer defiled court' from the 'day of the blessings' which becomes 'timewarped' onto August 4th 2008 will lead you to December 21st, 2012 as a 'Mirror of Time' between the 'long days' and the 'short days'. You can also then describe an overall 'global evolotion' of the 'Logos timelines' with respect to the 'inner court' of 12,000 days of having begun September 27th 1975 in its planetary context of finally fulfilling the 'endtime prophecies'.
     
    Some 'New Age followers' and others might also relate the August 4th day as relating to the birthday of the encumbent USA president as perhaps relating to the destruction of the 2nd temple of Solomon by Titus on August 4th 70AD Julian.
     
    One major one, which also includes the 'doubling' of the 'saints about the throne of the ancients' as 10,000 times 10,000 in both Daniel.7.10 and again in Revelation.5.11 and then to 200 million in Revelation.9.16 as the 'army of God' is the 'Secret of the 1335 days' in Daniel.12.
     
    1335+1335=2670=2300+370!
     
    Now if you closely decode the timeline of Noah, you will find the following day pattern and delineation of dating codes:
    7 days to build the ark followed by 40 days of 'rains from above and below' followed by 110 days of 'rising waters' followed by 74 days until the 'Peak of Mount Ararat' is seen for the ark to rest upon, followed by 40 days of Noah 'waiting in the Ark' followed by 7 days of the raven with the dove returning followed by 7 days of the dove finding new land followed by 36 days of 'Uncovering' the Ark followed by 56 days to Noah's rainbow covenant with god in a new World.
     
    All up you have 7 days of preparation, which many correctly associate with the 70th week of Dabniel.29 and then you have the 370 days of the 'cleansing of the sanctuary' encoded in Daniel.8.
     
    And redezra, you will not find this decoding anywhere on this planet and the reason for this is found in the following stipendium and is not personally associated with any individual, but is of a more intricate logistic origin.
     

    1 Corinthians 13:9-11
    King James Version (KJV)

    9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
    10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
    11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
     
     
    More facts about Jesus of Nazareth.  He was born March equinox 6BC and 6 months after his cousin John the Baptist was born in September 7BC.
    Jesus was baptized August 4th 28AD in the river Jordan and was then 33 years old in the 15th year of Tiberius, who reigned from 14AD as preceps from historical sources dating to September 18th Julian. One can debate if August 4th then refers to his 14th or 15th year but September 18th, 14AD+14 years = September 18th, 28AD and Tiberius was 'quasi regent' with Augustus from 12AD.
     
    Now the baptism of Jesus 'officially' in prophetic fulfilment terms, began his 'Mission of Redemption' he knew not only as pre-incarnated Logos of all Worlds, but also in decoding the Torah with emphasis on the prophetic books and the Creation account of Genesis with his own mission described in the Book of Isaiah.
    Jesus was 30 years old in March 25AD and at a precise starting point of the 2300+370=1335+1335 days; the 1335th day became August 4th, 28AD as the 'blessing from above' encoded by the 'dove from heaven' at the river Jordan.
     
    So the common perception that 'Jesus began his mission at age 30' must be qualified in this 'doubling' of the overall prophetic-historical timeline in the gospels and the New Testament.
    Jesus 'knew' his apostles before his baptism. They were his friends and acquaintances BEFORE he took upon himself the task to fulfil the mission of his cousin John Ben Zacharias and Elisabeth.
    So for 1335 days Jesus 'prepared' himself in what was by then the Essene community, to whom his family and that of Zacharias and also Joseph of Arithemea belonged to.
    1335 days from August 4th 28AD will bring you to the Passover time of 31AD, with March 27th the Passover full moon and April 1st 31AD the Sunday of the Resurrection following a 'High Sabbath' of Thursday, March 29th 31AD and a normal 'Sabbath' of march 31st, 31AD. The 'Day of Preparation for the Thursday 'Great Sabbath'' so was March 28th 31AD.
    3 days and 3 nights, meaning 72 hours are required for Jesus to give his 'one and only sign' to the Pharisees and Sadducees:
     

    Matthew 12:38-40 (KJV)
    38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
    39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
    40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
     
    Counting from Friday to Sunday, nevertheless particular lexicons and translations between words used to convey the stories; does not give you the 72 hours minimum stipulated by Jesus himself and in preference to any reteller or recaller of the words he spoke to describe his nous and deeds and understanding cosmic.
     
    Be well redezra and follow your path, using any information you might find to further your endeavours!
     
    shilohaplace

    An Esoteric Perspective from a Cosmic Level on a Personally Individualistic World in Turmoil


    Caveat: Ripley's motto: Believe it or not!

    -Long enduring partnerships are falling apart.
    -Career choices are made and changed overnight.
    -Long dormant health issues surface in persistency, no longer enabled for postponements.
    -Intimate relationships and familial associations are breaking under the guidance of individual independence issues.
    -Dreams of the past and future begin to 'haunt' the dreamers sensitive to their inner selves.

    What is happening? Like mushrooms after a healthy dose of 48 hour rain; personal issues are erupting like volcanoes on a global scale?

    The adepts in Plato's Cave are familiar with the reason for the 'new fertility'.



    Welcome in the Dragon's Den of Plato's Cave of Shadows, also being Noah's Ark!


    The Metamorphosis of Narcissus by Salvador Dali, 1937


    The personal harvest has arrived and will be followed by a global harvest.
    The harvester is the one who has planted the seeds to grow into the harvestable material and this harvester is yourself awakening from your deep slumber of the implanted forgetfulness.
    The one who is stirring is your own remembrance - "there is more to my life, than this 9 to 5 routine and this world of the consumerism and the search for self in gratification and social integration".

    On November 30, 2009 a decisive nexus point in the time warp loop from December 8th, 2004 to April 1st, 2012 began in the commencement of 70 weeks of personalised turmoil leading into 'global' turmoil from March 28th, 2011. Those 70 weeks or 490 days are however a cyclically embedded timeframe within 1260 days or 3½ 'Great years' each of which spans 12 months of 30 days and 30 nights, the latter showing a most basic division of 24 hours into a duet of 12 hours each. There then follows a 'cosmic gestation' or 'World Pregnancy' following a 3½ day 'preparatory halfweek of 3x12=36 hours of day and 36 hours of night and as 84=1260/15 hours definitive for a cyclic timeframe of 3½ 'basic days', countable as both in 1260 'long days' or in 84 'short days'.
    And was not the 'size' of Noah's Flood 15 'cubits' high and covering all of the 'old world'? And was the 'prophet' of the endtimes not asked to 'hire' the 'cosmic harlot' for 15 pieces of silver, then doubled in the 'ransom money' of the 'field of blood of the old covenant'?



    Genesis.7.17-22: (KJV)
    17And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
    18And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
    19And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
    20Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
    21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
    22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
    23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
    24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.


    Hosea.3:
    1Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine.
    2So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver, and for an homer of barley, and an half homer of barley:
    3And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee.
    4For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
    5Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.


    Luke 1:24-25
    24And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
    25Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.


    Revelation 9:5-16
    5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
    66 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
    7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
    8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
    9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
    10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
    11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
    12One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
    13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
    14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
    15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
    16And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.


    Daniel 7:10
    A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.


    Revelation 5:11
    And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;


    Revelation 18:4-7
    4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
    6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
    7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.


    Revelation 6:5-6
    5And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
    6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.


    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin)
    (105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will be called the son of a harlot."


    30 Pieces of Silver = 30 days = 1 month for the 'Field of Blood'
    {Acts.1.16-20 & Matthew.27.1-10} & {Revelation.14.20 & Revelation.21.16-17}

    15 Pieces of Silver = 15 days and 1 Homer = 100 days for 1½ Homer = 150 days = 5x30 days = 5 months
    15 Cubits = 15 Days in 2x12,000 furlongs/1,600 furlongs = 15 for 2x144,000=288,000=2x10,000x10,000=200 Million






    This global electromagnetic resonance phenomenon is named after physicist Winfried Otto Schumann who predicted it mathematically in 1952. Schumann resonances occur because the space between the surface of the Earth and the conductive ionosphere acts as a closed waveguide. The limited dimensions of the Earth cause this waveguide to act as a resonant cavity for electromagnetic waves in the ELF band. The cavity is naturally excited by electric currents in lightning. Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum[1] beginning at 3 Hz and extend to 60 Hz,[2] and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83 (fundamental),[3] 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.[1][4]
    In the normal mode descriptions of Schumann resonances, the fundamental mode is a standing wave in the Earth–ionosphere cavity with a wavelength equal to the circumference of the Earth. This lowest-frequency (and highest-intensity) mode of the Schumann resonance occurs at a frequency of approximately 7.83 Hz, but this frequency can vary slightly from a variety of factors, such as solar-induced perturbations to the ionosphere, which comprises the upper wall of the closed cavity.[citation needed] The higher resonance modes are spaced at approximately 6.5 Hz intervals,[citation needed] a characteristic attributed to the atmosphere's spherical geometry. The peaks exhibit a spectral width of approximately 20% on account of the damping of the respective modes in the dissipative cavity. The 8th partial lies at approximately 60 Hz.[citation needed]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

    The asthenosphere (from Greek asthenēs 'weak' + sphere) is the highly viscous, mechanically weak[1] and ductilely-deforming region of the upper mantle of the Earth. It lies below the lithosphere, at depths between ~80 and ~200 km (~ 50 and 124 miles) below the surface. The lithosphere-asthenosphere boundary is usually referred to as LAB. Asthenosphere is generally solid although some of its regions could be melted (e.g. below mid-ocean ridge). The lower boundary of the asthenosphere is not well defined. The thickness of the asthenosphere depends mainly on the temperature. For some regions asthenosphere could extend as deep as 700 km (430 mi). It is considered the source region of mid-ocean ridge basalt (MORB).[2

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asthenosphere



    This 'cosmic pregnancy' so defines 265 days from April 1st, 2012 to December 21st, 2012 and a timeline which is encoded in many ancient scrolls and scriptures, as well in certain construction modules as in that of the 'Great Gallery' in the 'Great Pyramid of Khufu-Cheops' in Egypt.
    December 21st, 2012 also is encoded in native calendars, such as that of the Maya and is decribed in the New Testament of the Christian bible as the 1600 'furlong days' in which the 'outer temple' is being measured in Revelation.14.20 and so stipulating August 4th, 2008 as an important nexus date allowing the appropriate decoding of the symbols to fixate one of its anchor nexus dates or 'Logos Points'.
    But from December 21st, 2012, the ancient timelines and beginning at the last initiating precessional circle of the ancients at a proleptic Gregorian date and daycount of March 1st, 23,615 BC in 9,360,000 or 65x144,000 such 'Mayan Baktun' days; the way the cyclyc time in say days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries and millenia could be counted changed into a form of encoded 'Compression' or 'Acceleration' time not in their scientific measurement definitions, but in terms of the encoded logistical timeframes and timespaces. The next two charts show this compression schematically and many of its encoded cipherments have been elucidated many times on a number of forums and message boards. Summararily however; the third cosmic reset nexus point will be Tuesday, March 25th, 2014 to trigger the continuity of the second nexus point of Sunday, April 1st, 31AD and fro its 1st reset point so 2,200 million years ago.

    The first reset point can be decoded as the Cosmic Mother Creation-Creator BodyMindWave remembering herself in a initiation of Her homecoming to the Cosmic Father Creator-Creation WaveMindBody in a Twinship or entanglement of the manyness and the uniqueness of the big scale with the small scales of quantum entanled lifeforms of sentience immersed and energized from a 'Field of Plenum Spacetime occupying Consciousness'.
    The second reset point can be decoded as the Image of the first remembrance now WITHIN the Bodyform of the Cosmic Mother. This then allows the WITHOUT to witness itself in the WITHIN and a Cosmic Twinship or Doubling of the 'Cosmic IDentity Self' can become implemented and made manifest. The first cosmic motherfatherhood of creation so gives birth to its own image or daughtersonship, which can perform the agency to connect the WITHIN to the WITHOUT hitherto separated by the great divide or abyss of the doublesided mirror not being able to explore and discover itself due to its orienatation and necessitation to relativise the perception of the Within as contra to the perception of the Without in its selfhood realisation of Cosmic Truth and Lawfulness.
    The third reset point then allows the Spacetime of the Creator-TwinCreation-Creator entity to mirror itself as a Timespace of Compression and Acceleration in releasing the collected history of the linearized and projected Past of all data processors through the Wormhole nexus into its 'Image Made' Projected Future. Symbolically the X transforms into the 8 with the linearity closing in upon itself in a symbolism found in the Ouroboros or Cosmic Dragon-Dog finally catching its own tail after chasing the same for a long period of timebased evolution of both Mentality and Bodyform related to the morphogenetic forms of the data collectors or co-creators of the cosmic agenda of the transformation and metamorphosis of the older into the newer.

    What is so significant about this upcoming 'time', which is 'warped' (albeit unbeknown by the 'regulators' of the global communities)?
    The human genus has been subject to a particular 'archetypology' for almost 26,000 years, and a timeline if translated into a distance specifying the distance between planet earth to the center of the harbouring Milky Way galaxy (and so 26,000 lightyears away).

    From this 'archetypology' derived the worldwide social and cultural edifices and constructs, such as global 'religions' and harbouring philosophical paradigms, city-nation states and a technology driven by innovative scientific application.
    There is a last 'Blue Moon' (of Full Moons) for this period on December 2nd, 2009 and December 31st, 2009 - heralding the 'New Year' fully encompassing the 70 weeks of supra transformation of 'karmic' archetypes.
    There will be a 'Black Moon' (of New Moons) in July 2011 (1st and 30th) followed by the 'Blue Moons' of August 2012 (2nd & 31st).

    There are NO Blue Full Moons in 2014, but there are two Black New Moons in 2014



    New Elder Moons in 12 Odd Male Number Signs + Lucifer Hermes
    Tribe
    Full Elder Moons in 12 Even Female Number Signs + Aphrodite Lucifera
    01 = 05 September 2013 ?at 11:36UCT-----Virgo Moon in Virgo Sun
    7=Gad
    02 = 19 September 2013 at 11:13UCT-----Pisces Moon in Virgo Sun
    03 = 05 October 2013 at 00:34UCT-----Libra Moon in Libra Sun
    6=Naphtali
    04 = 18 October 2013 at 23:38UCT------Aries Moon in Libra Sun
    05 = 03November 2013 at 12:50UCT-----Scorpio Moon in Scorpio Sun
    8=Asher
    06 = 17 November 2013 at 15:17UCT-----Taurus Moon in Scorpio Sun
    07 = 03 December 2013 at 00:22UCT-----Sagittarius Moon in Sagittarius Sun
    9=Issachar
    08 = 17 December 2013 at 09:29UCT-----Gemini Moon in Sagittarius Sun
    09 = 01 January 2014 at 11:15UCT-----Capricorn Moon in Capricorn Sun
    as 1st New Elder Black Moon of the Endtimes 3½/1261

    10=Zebulon
    10 = 16 January 2014 at 04:54UCT-----Cancer Moon in Capricorn Sun
    11 = 30 January 2014 at 21:41UCT-----Aquarius Moon in Aquarius Sun
    as 2nd New Elder Black Moon of the Endtimes 3½/1261

    12=Joseph
    12 = 14 February 2014 at 23:55UCT-----Leo Moon in Aquarius Sun
    13 = 01 March 2014 at 08:03UCT-----Pisces Moon in Pisces Sun
    as 3rd New Elder Black Moon of the Endtimes 3½/1261

    13=Benjamin
    14 = 16 March 2014 at 17:11UCT-----Virgo Moon in Pisces Sun
    15 = 30 March 2014 at 18:48UCT-----Aries Moon in Aries Sun

    as 4th New Elder Black Moon of the Endtimes 3½/1261

    1=Reuben
    16 = 15 April 2014 at 07:45UCT-----Libra Moon in Aries Sun for Total Lunar Eclipse
    17 = 29 April 2014 at 06:18UCT-----Taurus Moon in Taurus Sun for Annular Solar Eclipse
    2=Simeon
    18 = 14 May 2014 at 19:19UCT-----Scorpio Moon in Taurus Sun
    19 = 28 May 2014 at 18:43UCT-----Gemini Moon in Gemini Sun
    3=Levi
    20 = 13 June 2014 at 04:14UCT-----Sagittarius Moon in Gemini Sun
    21 = 27 June 2014 at 08:11UCT-----Cancer Moon in Cancer Sun
    5=Dan
    22 = 12 July 2014 at 11:27UCT-----Capricorn Moon in Cancer Sun
    23 = 26 July 2014 at 22:43UCT-----Leo Moon in Leo Sun
    4=Judah
    24 = 10 August 2014 at 18:11UCT-----Aquarius Moon in Leo Sun
    25 = 25 August 2014 at 14:13UCT-----Omega Moon in Virgo Sun
    11=Dinah
    26 = 09 September 2014 at 01:39UCT-----Alpha Moon in Eagle Sun
    27 = 24 September 2014 at 06:14UCT-----Alpha Moon in Libra Sun
    14=Ophiuchus
    28 = 08 October 2014 at 10:51UCT-----Omega Moon in Arachne Sun for Total Lunar Eclipse
    29 = 23 October 2014 at 21:56UCT----Eagle Moon in Scorpio Sun for Partial Solar Eclipse
    15=Arachne
    30 = 06 November 2014 at 22:23UCT-----Dragon-Phoenix Moon in Ophiuchus Sun




    All of those old archetypes have held the human groupsoul 'to ransom' and imprisoned the human group consciousness under 'name it yourself' social conventions and hierarchical structures like 'religion', 'tradition' or 'class'.
    All of those Old Archetypes, now almost 26,000 years old, - MUST be replaced by New Archetypes - ergo the necessity for a 'warped timeline' as indicated above.
    Why the 'must'? Because the end of the cycle demands a reconfiguration of the Old Beginning (Alpha to Omega) as a New Beginning (Omega to Alpha) in the 'closing of the 'age' or the 'closing of the circle'.
    Personal 'turmoil' is required to 'shake the individual' out of its lethargic slumberland of expecting 'things' (say the world) to continue as 'always'.
    The alpha-omega point had its last occurrence in 23,615 BC and a long time before the collective genetic groupmind of humanity of today can pertinently remember itself.
    So the present 'psychophysical' collective human mind has entered 'new territory'.

    A few 'old souls', familiar with Plato's Cave might remember the overriding and encompassing galactic archetype.
    Perseus aka Milky Way is on his adventure to 'marry' Andromeda, daughter of Cassiopeia in a celestial or 'heavenly wedding' of superlatives.
    To do that, Perseus must overcame many obstacles set into his way by the 'jealous' Olympians.
    For is not Perseus, the son of Zeus, yet also the son of a mortal woman Danae?
    Under protectorate of Zeus and some 'tools from the goddesses'; Perseus must face the gorgons and the titans in Medusa and the Kraken to rescue Andromeda. Upon succeeeding in his quest, Perseus and Andromeda will reconfigure the constellations and their new archetypes will forever change the Old into the New.

    April and Brooke; both of you are Andromeda in jeopardy of being 'sacrificed' to the Kraken, the 'old titan' and one of the usurpers of the preOlympian creation.
    But just as you are unawares of your starry identities, so are your 'Sons of Zeus' unaware of theirs. But exist the do and real they are.
    Before they will appear to ask for your partnership; both are required to become created within yourself as your own unifications. It is deemed necessary, that the new archetypology be built on a new foundation and for this reason and purpose you have become empowered (by your individuated struggles of familial natures) to MIRROR yourselves within yourselves INDEPENDENT from the outside world and your external associations.
    Realising your own shadows, will then allow your Perseuses to realise theirs, just in looking at you as new creations and subsequentlybecome enabled to 'redefine' themselves (in your images).
    April, Scott is as much 'trapped' in the 'world around himself' as you are. This 'world' is 'getting ready for the harvest' and despite the naysayers, noone can escape the harvesting or remain sitting on the fence as an onlooker and observer. This 'harvest' is NOT physical, but mental and has everything to to do with 'human consciousness' and/or self-perception.
    Scott cannot change under the auspices of the present nexus until you have changed. The present agenda is far far more, than just some personal 'struggle' or dilemma of 'evolutionary growth'.
    The development must be thorough and sudden or the old partnerships will simply break apart.
    In some manner ALL human partnerships are presently under such tension or evolution pressure; the difference is, that now the pressure is beyond the physical (alcoholism, drug abuse, still birth, self-abortion or some other physical problem).

    Brooke; your problem is not your biological infertility, but your 'higher self'. You have decided on a 'deeper soul level' NOT to fall pregnant in your present 'state of mind', because you know of the dramatic changes pertaining to the environment for your baby in the next few years.
    You are becoming more and more 'distracted' by the 'status quo' and your skepticism towards what for you has been a 'natural spiritual gift' - your own self-remembrance as a foremost spiritual being and an 'old soul' from Plato's Cave. Have you altogether now forgotten Delphi?
    In your strong desires for womanhood and your 'place in the world'; you have neglected your 'precious gifts attained previously' and your 'spiritual heart' KNOWS this very well.
    So instead of ridiculing the messenger, you might enquire of your thinking heart and render your mind feeling instead of rationalizing.
    Should you reopen your communications with your 'Isaiahean heart', then you will receive a very distinct message, which shall show you when and how to conceive and bear.
    The 'timing' will then be right and you will have remembered yourself and your reason for being incarnate at the present timeline.

    April; your dreaming Atlantis is of great significance as it pertains as much to your future as it does to your past.
    The strange hieroglyphs on the walls are part of the encodings residing deep within your 'soul'.
    These are not symbols to be interpreted, like mathematical semantics, but these are symbols which you know intuitively, even telepathically, if you just could gather the confidence to utilize them.
    In this respect, they have occurred through your dreams to rekindle your ancient past, when you knew how to use those symbols.
    It would behoove you very well, should you go outside one cloudless night and deeply ponder the brightest star in the sky - Sirius aka Canis Major, the Dog-Star so 8.6 lightyears from earth.
    Atlantis has its origin with Sirius and connects through this relatively nearby constellation to the prehuman timeline beginning so 50,000 years ago with the 'Seven Sisters' and Arcturus, as well as Andromeda.
    There are 4 great ancient constellations, which are represented on earth; all of which serve humanity in archetype and in remembrance. Pondering any or all of them, will trigger elemental archetypes and 'strange feelings' of 'knowing without knowing'.

    The Canines of Sirius with a codename: "The Sirian Doggods of the Air of Western Jerusalem".
    The Felines of Andromeda with a codename: "The Andromedean Lions of the Fire of Eastern Judah".
    The Pachyderms (Elephants, Rhinoceroses and Hippopotamuses) of Arcturus with a codename: "The Arcturian Elephants of the Earth of Northern Samaria".
    The Cetaceans (Whales, Dolphins and Porpoises) of Pleiadius with a codename: "The Pleiadean Whales of the Water of Southern Jonah".

    It is the human identity, which is being 'harvested' and EVERYONE in incarnation 'knows' this to be the case on an 'inner soul level' or similar labelling. The human identity is in transit to become 'extraplanetary' or 'galactic'. For this purpose, the 'old worlds', both individually and globally must transform and change into a 'new world'.
    As this change cannot become physicalized before the (mental) archetypes and templates have themselves become manifested 'psychophysically' or metaphysically; the present circumstances prevail and will continue to prevail until the new blueprints have become implemented.
    The success of this implementation is however assured; because there are a few 'old souls' in Plato's Cave, who understand and help to manifest the required transformations.








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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:05 pm

    Interesting thread!! Consider reading the book Daniel by Dr. Desmond Ford. It's sort of on your intellectual level -- but I don't know if that's a good-thing or not!! Shiloh, I'm quoting your last post on my United States of the Solar System thread. I hope you don't mind. I like including that sort of thing on my thread!! I've recently speculated that the 2300 day-years of Daniel 8:14 spans 168 BC to 2133 AD -- with the Millenium commencing in 1133 AD!! What do you think about THAT??!!


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    Glad your here Redezra.  I was very much following your posts at Avalon before you were banned with the fishes.  You definitely held it down amongst the storm and I salute you.  It was amazing to see all those supposed empathic people supporting your ban.  I look forward to your posts.

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    Tnx Magamud it's been so long ago almost forgot about it on the long road home amidst the pines and the mist. But I miss the friendly faces and the soothing souls are not forgotten at all. Nobody wants doom and gloom not without hope but there are lights in the night and wells of water in the wilderness while we walk this world one moment in time and eternity awaits with bated breath how long till the souls come home. Come as you are on the narrow road that turns right along an old rugged cross all the way to God.





    There is a timeline in the Bible and also Shiloh seems to know about it even though we do not yet agree on the chronology. Newton for instance insisted on a Friday crucifixion and so do the gospels !

    "Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath," - Mark 15:42

    If that is not obvious enough in English then the original Greek word for "Preparation Day" is "παρασκευή" and anybody can go to Google translate and type in "Friday" and let it translate into Greek and see it is the original Greek word for Friday.

    The expression "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" must be understood as three "evening_mornings" as in Genesis 1:5 since a Jewish day begins at sunset so Friday Saturday and Sunday were counted inclusively as three "evening_mornings" as there was no concept of zero back then. Jesus was crucified on a Friday 14 Nisan and rose again Sunday 16 Nisan with Venus just before the break of dawn.

    "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" - 1 Corinthians 15:4



    The timeline and trying to fix the 20th year of Artaxerxes according to old documents.

    "Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks" - Daniel 9:25


    The command to rebuild Jerusalem was given by king Artaxerxes I of Persia in his 20th regnal year according to the book of Nehemiah in the Bible.

    "And it came to pass in the month of Nisan in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes." - Nehemiah 2:1
    "And I said to the king, 'If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it.'" - Nehemiah 2:5



    According to Diodorus Siculus who wrote in the 1st century BC Lysitheus was archon in Athens [July 465 BC - July 464 BC] when Xerxes died and the next following year was the 79th Olympic Games which we know began in the summer of 464 BC. So Xerxes was killed somewhere within Olympiad 78 year 4 [July 465 - July 464] and Artabanus reigned for some 7 ? months before Artaxerxes became king some time in 464 BC. According to Nehemiah 1:1 also Chislev (Nov/Dec) before Nisan (March/April) was the 20th year of Artaxerxes so if Artaxerxes became king anywhere between late April and early November 464 BC then Nisan or spring of 444 BC would fall in "the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes".

    Diodorus Siculus wrote:"With the passing of this year, in Athens Lysitheus was archon, and in Rome the consuls elected were Lucius Valerius Publicola and Titus Aemilius Mamercus. During this year, in Asia Artabanus, an Hyrcanian by birth, who enjoyed the greatest influence at the court of King Xerxes and was captain of the royal body-guard, decided to slay Xerxes and transfer the kingship to himself." - Diodorus Siculus 11.69.1

    "When Archedemides was archon in Athens, the Romans elected as consuls Aulus Verginius and Titus Minucius, and the Seventy-ninth Olympiad was celebrated, that in which Xenophon of Corinth won the stadion." - Diodorus Siculus 11.70.1


    Sextus Julius Africanus wrote a history of the world "Chronographiai" from Creation to the year AD 221 covering according to his computation 5723 years. Copious extracts from it can be found in the Chronicon of Eusebius and here "the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes" is dated to Olympiad 83 year 4 which we know was from July 445 BC to July 444 BC which would place Nehemiah's Nisan or spring in 444 BC.

    Sextus Julius Africanus wrote:"For from Nehemiah, who was dispatched by Artaxerxes to build Jerusalem in the 115th year of the Persian empire, and the 4th year of the 83d Olympiad, and the 20th year of the reign of Artaxerxes himself,"
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    So let's count "seven weeks and sixty-two weeks from the going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince" starting in the spring of 444 BC.

    7 x 7 (weeks) + 62 x 7 (weeks) = 69 x 7 (weeks)
    69 x 7 (weeks) x 360 (prophetic year) = 173880 days

    For the sake of simplicity divide the 173880 days by 365.2422 and count 476 solar years and 24 days from the spring of the astronomical year -443 as there is no year 0 and it comes to the spring of 33 AD.

    "Then they brought the colt to Jesus. And they threw their own clothes on the colt, and they set Jesus on him. And as He went, many spread their clothes on the road. Then, as He was now drawing near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works they had seen, saying: 'Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the LORD! Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!' And some of the Pharisees called to Him from the crowd, 'Teacher, rebuke Your disciples.' But He answered and said to them, 'I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would cry out at once!' Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, 'If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.'" - Luke 19:35-44



    Newton thought that this timeline also foretold the Second Coming of Christ 7 weeks of years or 49 years after the Jews had returned to the land of Israel but the timeline is specific to Jerusalem and on 7 June 1967 the Jews restored control over the old city.

    "Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks" - Daniel 9:25


    So let's count seven weeks from the going forth of the command to restore Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince starting from 7 June 1967.

    7 x 7 (weeks) x 360 (prophetic year) = 17640 days

    For the sake of simplicity divide the 17640 days by 365.2422 and count 48 solar years and 108 days from  7 June 1967 and it comes to 23 September 2015 the Day of Atonement 10 Tishri.


    Jesus said He would return at the end of the age and then told a "parable of the budding fig tree" which is an image of Israel. And so it can be deduced from the gospels that the generation who witnessed the rebirth of Israel as a State in 1948 would not entirely pass away until His return at the end of the age.

    And did not the old Testament prophet Hosea predict that the Jewish Diaspora would last 2000 years ? as "one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day to God" as in 2 Peter 3:8.

    "Come, and let us return to the LORD; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up. After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight." Hosea 6:1-2


    Some may say that Jesus is dead and buried but His tomb is still open and empty abit north of the old city Jerusalem in an area called "The Garden Tomb".


    "He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay." - Matthew 28:6



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    RedEzra you found your way to the Mists  cheers 
    I have been keeping a place for you over the years around our campfire.
    Warm welcome my friend  Cheerful 
    I have been missing your inspiring poetry.



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    Salut Mudra Yes I am lost and found like a cat and no time has gone once the cat has come home lol
    Perhaps I can drop some words like potatoes on a table and call it poetry  cheers Oh and I brought a friend I found the Lord and He don't like to be left alone so hope is ok






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    Red if I may ask you a few question. If you don't want to answer its ok. Just would like to get some dialogue with you.

    Why do you think God allows so much suffering?
    What stopped Jesus from using his angel support and choose to be crucified?
    Do you think the Devil is mortality?
    How much time has elapsed since Adam?
    Do you interpret scripture beyond canonization.

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    Consider a careful prophetic study of:

    1. Psalms.
    2. Isaiah.
    3. Daniel.
    4. Matthew.
    5. Revelation.

    I am despairing regarding properly understanding what's really going-on in this solar system (past, present, and future). I keep receiving flashes of insight (which are probably due to a volatile mixture of inspiration and perspiration) -- but I can't prove or debate anything of significance. I have an overwhelming urge to just shut-up and research (and not communicate with anyone). I suspect that most (if not all) of us will simply have to learn the hard-way.


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    Post  RedEzra on Fri May 02, 2014 2:46 pm

    Sure Magamud ask and I'll give an uneducated opinion about it.


    I believe the basic biblical version of reality where God is the Creator of the universe and that there is more to the universe than meets the eye so not only physical but also aethereal. The current scientific consensus has rejected aether angels God and reduced humans to animals striving for survival in a pointless physical universe. Not a very uplifting idea at all and fortunately not true as there is a personal caring good God. Perhaps it is hard to fathom that someone can create a universe but as one can see it is possible. Somehow God also created conscious angels and humans with the will to choose and act independently of God and this I think is the crux of the problem of suffering as God did not assemble and program autobots but individuals with free will. So to blame God for this and that is the same as blaming parents for the behaviour of their children.

    Nevertheless God has an absolute responsibility as the Creator of creation and paid the price on the cross for the crimes of the world. Crimes are not good for the conscience and sins are not good for the soul so we got to choose to either accept reject or ignore whether or not God took our sins and sufferings upon Himself. Perhaps one is a sinless soul and that is good and all but most are lost in a sea of sin and in dire need of the hope in God who willingly laid down His life and suffered shame to save the sinners soul.

    Adam and Eve I believe according to the Bible lived long lives lasting to about 5000 years ago and the devil is an angel or so called cherub. I've read Enoch and the Book of Jubilees among others.



    Hi Aquaries Cat is certainly one of my favs and his lovely melodies made me go to India back in the early nineties to look for God lol

    Hello Ortho I believe it is the old battle between good and evil that is going on and is about to come to a confrontational closure.
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    Post  magamud on Sat May 03, 2014 2:25 am

    Thanks for the feed back redezra.

    Perhaps it is hard to fathom that someone can create a universe but as one can see it is possible
    Indeed, and once you can see infinity you know this to be true. And what is the wonders of goodness? Personal salvation..

    God also created conscious angels and humans
    Absolutely. You can see the spirit of goodness and how it mysteriously works. This same spirit is indeed used in etherial. The mortality of our physical beings co works with the etherial energy. It's so immense and so different then how we perceive life that it remains completely invisible. Amazing stuff. But behind this veil there is indeed the same dynamics of good and evil here on earth as above.

    Question:
    How do you reconcile with idol worshipping? The new age deception is quite deep, taking light, empathy, dreams, calmness, emptiness as the Lord of lords. They will not focus on the body of god, Jesus, as how God manifests in the mortal world. They want to discard their bodies or leave their flesh and blood for a dark light. Powerful temptation when we are in the dark. A lamp with just enough oil is not very comforting for those who do not know. So I'm not here to cause any strife with your communications, it is what it is, I am just asking, for the sake of asking.

    accept reject or ignore whether or not God took our sins and sufferings upon Himself.
    Thank you very much for this insight. Yes God has more then enough proven he will take on our sins for us. He does what he saids he's going to do. This is a good window into Gods connection with us. Seek and you shall find is a tribute to mans intelligence. Grace is a wonderment that keeps an open mind essential.



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    Post  RedEzra on Sat May 03, 2014 7:07 am

    No problem Magamud happy to give my take on things.

    magamud wrote:
    How do you reconcile with idol worshipping?

    The devil's deception began in the garden of Eden when he tricked Adam and Eve to disobey God and today his incessant lies have become a thousand theories religions and philosophies. The devil knows very well that God got some house rules and since he could not obey them he got nothing better to do than to trick humanity into disobeying God as well. For example God do not like idols and that is why we got a lot of them and especially self has become top of the pop.

    The devil is not alone in this trickery but got legions of spirits and also humans under his command to confuse and corrupt souls and so crush our hope of an eternal life with God. To counter this God chose to crush His Heart instead as a substitute for sinful souls.

    So Jesus is the greatest secret ever told since in Him is salvation of the soul no matter what we've done before it is forgiven and forgotten and so the devil got no claim.
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    To counter this God chose to crush His Heart instead as a substitute for sinful souls.
    Well described Red, as to why Jesus chose crucifixion, therefor resurrection.

    So Jesus is the greatest secret ever told since in Him is salvation of the soul no matter what we've done before it is forgiven and forgotten and so the devil got no claim.
    Indeed, the devil covers up Gods rule, his purpose and who he is.  I compare it to a compass.  God is due north, but the devil covers up the one degree, the narrow path, and tells you its the other 364 degrees to salvation.  Its incredible stuff.

    I sense the missing component of the messiah and how he becomes human flesh is sublimated by the devil into forgoing your very holy holy body.  That is, the missing knowledge of how the body is holy with god.  How this relationship works.  This is the light body deception in essence. This points to what peoples foundation is made of.  Stuff with ascension, light body, stop reincarnation, dream scaping, mindlessness, empathy, ET's, idols, etc...  Its really a cornucopia of imagination.  And people forgo god because they feel they are being told what to do with the one.  When the one order is actually grace and simplicity of creation.  Don't look a gift horse in the mouth?  

    How do you try and explain how the messiah works in reality?
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    magamud wrote:I compare it to a compass.  God is due north, but the devil covers up the one degree, the narrow path, and tells you its the other 364 degrees to salvation.


    Yes covering the compass rose are schools of thoughts catering to most moods causing camps confusion and conflicts. So we got a thousand theories to choose from and none of them or only one can be correct.

    This calls for an investigation !



    magamud wrote:How do you try and explain how the messiah works in reality?


    Once a year on the Day of Atonement the high priest of the Temple in Jerusalem was to pass the veil into the Holy of Holies and make an atonement for sins. When Jesus expired on the cross this immense veil was torn in two signaling an all sufficient sacrifice and an accessibility to the Holy of Holies for all who want. So God atoned for sinful souls with His own blood and made Himself available to anybody.

    Now God is just a generic name and every religion got one or not but there is only one God. And God got an absolute responsibility to protect good and end evil. Somebody said the devil's finest trick was to convince the world that he does not exist. When no devil then no evil and perhaps anything goes ?

    According to my understanding of the timeline in Daniel then the Apocalypse - seven years seven seals - begins on the Day of Atonement next year and somebody sure seems to know something according to the Georgia guidestones Svalbard global seed vault and all the built DUMBs.
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    God is often depicted in the Bible as smoke and fire.

    "Now Mount Sinai was completely in smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire. Its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked greatly." - Exodus 19:18

    "And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so as to go by day and night." - Exodus 13:21


    And in Australia there was a 40 min fire tornado captured on film by Chris Tangey on September 11 2012 near Mt Conner. Here is a little clip of it and with headphones one can clearly hear a distinct almost otherwordly voice at the 0.23 sec mark.


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    I will not pretend that I do not know truths and so my way of writing may rub some shoulders the wrong way which is unfortunate but nevertheless necessary for the sake of sharing truths.


    Science says the universe began as a dense dot that somehow started to expand about 14 billions of years ago and still do and so slowly evolved chemical elements stars planets life which would make the universe a master builder but science says there is no intelligent design and so the universe is just an accident or one of those things that happens.

    So this state sponsored shite is what governments have been preaching in public schools for about 50 years and is the reason for the immense increase in crime and corruption. And only top Masons may occupy top governmental positions and they are according to their own writings Luciferians who commit all kinds of atrocities in the name of the devil. And we let them.

    The governments ultimate goal of control is to chip everybody. And this is the Mark of the Beast in the Bible. Very soon Christians will also be persecuted in the West as they are already marginalized and ostracised by the governments. And Israel is under pressure to give away land and definsible borders so the Muslims can try for the 4th time to attack and eradicate them.

    According to the Bible or at least my understanding of it then the Apocalypse begins on the Day of Atonement 2015. And so there is no hope nor future for this world as it is since evil is so prevalent and good is tossed out with the trash. Why would anyone put any hope in the world anyway as we are all bound to leave it sooner or later. Some say we are born again and again and again ad nauseum into this world but that is not at all biblical and so spurious superstition according to the Holy Word of God.

    Behold how the Bible has been challenged ridiculed and marginalized by the governments these last 50 years and try to put two and two together. God got a reckoning to do and we will either be found on His side or not. And what has your God done for you anyway ? My God was punished for my crimes beaten for my errors and spat upon for my sins. And so I am justified in Jesus and measured by God by how much I love and obey His Son my Maker.
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    Post  magamud on Mon May 12, 2014 9:40 am

    Well described Red with our educational system usurping our kind.  This type of deception is on many levels, especially with the New Age and scientific movement which is completely evident on this board.  







    Everyone thinks this stuff is so easy, as to why New agism is so well accepted.  Just meditate into nothing and love the light.  Holy moly....

    Your in a relationship with God as with a flesh and blood human.  And its so easy generating Chaos to form Order.  No one can see the cause of their world because they know not who the Devil is or how he works.  Oh its just my imagination, my wild Ego.  Poor souls...
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    Post  magamud on Mon May 12, 2014 8:23 pm

    History truly repeats itself...

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    Post  RedEzra on Tue May 13, 2014 8:34 pm

    The old rugged cross is today so misunderstood tnx to the deception of the devil and his wolves in sheep's clothing whether they pose as popes priests or whatever. The cross is where the devil lost and so he has been defeated for 2000 years already. The cross is where the soul won eternal life with God hereafter and here is the victory over the devil evil sin sickness you name it. But you got to claim it ! You got to believe and demand it !


    The cross is not to be treated as a talisman for it is not imbued with simple spirit magick. The cross is where the Heart of the Great Spirit paid the price of our sins shame debt sickness. So there is absolutely no reason for anyone to keep what God has already cancelled ! The cross is where the Son of God defeated the devil and so evil spirits must flee from the Name of Jesus ! The cross is where the Word of God declared "death where is your sting ?"

    But you got to claim the cross ! Believe and demand His victory ! Make it yours as well !
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    Post  magamud on Wed May 14, 2014 9:43 am

    The cross is the eventuality all will come too. There is no escape, granted eternity can be a long time, none the less the cross exists because of the 2 singularities you are presented with. The Devil's and the Holy Fathers. Good stems from one place as does evil. Lots of playgrounds and freedom to explore this eventuality.


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