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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Mon May 18, 2015 11:19 am

    mudra wrote:
    The flat earth model hasn't been an obvious one to me to ascertain and I quickly lost interest in it.
    I recently noticed so many flat earth videos popping up from various sources that the thought crossed my mind that if there was going to be something that wanted to get people's mind  busy in one direction for a good while it was probably this one.
    A big distraction from otherwise more important matters as far I am concerned.

    seashore wrote:But i don't believe Eric Dubay is trying to get anyone's website sabotaged.

    And I'm not sure one can observe the curvature of the earth from a jet.

    I quite agree with both of you. I dont think it will ever be easy to verify one way or the other, and I have gathered all the info I wanted on this subject also. I will read through it when I have the chance, there are some fascinating 'anomalies' to current models included in this area, worthy of knowing in themselves.. shame there cant be an easy debate over this, the scientific community and most people just laugh and cant/ wont take it seriously. Enough for now, I may post later, way into the future when I have compiled my own summary.
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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  mudra on Mon May 18, 2015 4:16 pm

    You Seashore and Vidya have looked into this matter much more thoroughly than I did .
    I find myself unable to wrap my mind into the scientific aspect of this model.
    I am admiring people who are able to as you two seem to be.
    So I will welcome any new insight you'll come up with as you research this Flat Earth subject further. 
    All I can say as a note is that my experience of Gaia through my body senses when I walk or travel by car, train, ship or airplane ... is one of a rugged static plane. If I hadn't been told since my childhood the earth is a globe I would'nt have perceived it to be so myself.
    And I wonder who on Earth could have ? ...

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    Post  Pris on Tue May 19, 2015 8:58 pm

    Okay, I'll take the risk and post this here lol!  I also just posted this in another forum.  May as well get more mileage out of my comment.

    Forgive me if I'm repeating something that may have already been discussed here.

    Has anyone here looked into the 'makeup' of all things as having the... Merkaba energy signature... seems to point to spherical planets, stars and so on -- particularly when the mass of something pulls together and becomes so great? Even the shapes of galaxies illustrate this 'signature'. Ocean currents, cloud formations and 'hot spots' on Earth also suggest the 'signature' of this Merkaba rotating within a spherical Earth. These cloud formations and 'hot spots' also appear on the other planets in our solar system.

    The Merkaba also explains the 'revolving' nature of the sun's sun spots as they travel around the sun's circumference at approximately 20 degrees above and below the equator. Also, apparently, where one sun spot appears, a 'tunnel' is formed clear through to the other side of the sun (suggesting a spherical sun and the sun's sun spots are actually peering into the sun and showing the sun's black hole nature with a layer of glowing plasma over top) and, if the sun spot holds its integrity long enough, will appear as its 'twin' disappears as the sun continues to rotate.

    Other 'tiny' examples of this spherical Merkaba energy signature can easily be seen in fruits and vegetables -- even if the outer edges ('event horizons') are not necessarily spherical due to form flexibility because of lack of mass (my theory). I'm talking about the Platonic Solids here -- 'Sacred Geometry' -- to explain the macro and the micro.
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    Post  Carol on Tue May 19, 2015 11:26 pm

    I like your logic Pris. Just a few days ago I was listening to Andrew Bassiago's new interview where he was talking about the Flat Earth model that would explain 4 of the phenomena he experienced as a time traveler in the secret government program. It was quite interesting to listen to as the also explored the folds in space where ETs created a fake environment for some to the travelers to go to. He went onto theorize that the ice of the lower arctic keeps us trapped. There was much more but it was of interest that he would speak of this given his background with the secret government. It certainly is a mystery.


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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  shiloh on Wed May 20, 2015 2:18 am

    Pris wrote:

    Okay, I'll take the risk and post this here lol!  I also just posted this in another forum.  May as well get more mileage out of my comment.

    Forgive me if I'm repeating something that may have already been discussed here.

    Has anyone here looked into the 'makeup' of all things as having the... Merkaba energy signature... seems to point to spherical planets, stars and so on -- particularly when the mass of something pulls together and becomes so great? Even the shapes of galaxies illustrate this 'signature'. Ocean currents, cloud formations and 'hot spots' on Earth also suggest the 'signature' of this Merkaba rotating within a spherical Earth. These cloud formations and 'hot spots' also appear on the other planets in our solar system.

    The Merkaba also explains the 'revolving' nature of the sun's sun spots as they travel around the sun's circumference at approximately 20 degrees above and below the equator. Also, apparently, where one sun spot appears, a 'tunnel' is formed clear through to the other side of the sun (suggesting a spherical sun and the sun's sun spots are actually peering into the sun and showing the sun's black hole nature with a layer of glowing plasma over top) and, if the sun spot holds its integrity long enough, will appear as its 'twin' disappears as the sun continues to rotate.

    Other 'tiny' examples of this spherical Merkaba energy signature can easily be seen in fruits and vegetables -- even if the outer edges ('event horizons') are not necessarily spherical due to form flexibility because of lack of mass (my theory). I'm talking about the Platonic Solids here -- 'Sacred Geometry' -- to explain the macro and the micro.


    The casual reader of this thread on a 'flat earth' cosmology finally encounters a rational and logical disposition as exhibited by the statements of Pris amidst the bogus claims and whimsical meanderings of New Age nabsers, preferring quasi bunk science and irrational deductions made by 'alternatives' burdened by incomplete understandings regarding the workings of natural laws and universal principles.

    It is tolerable for the underinformed  reader to be somewhat puzzled by the relative dynamics of relative observation vantages, technically known as inertial and noninertial reference frames and well understood physical phenomena giving rise to Coriolis forces causative for anti-clockwise atmospheric weather patterns in the Northern hemisphere and their corollary conjugatives, including clockwise rotating weather patterns and currents observed in the Southern hemisphere of planet Earth.

    It is however unexcusable for quasi-scientific adherents to propagate misinformation and deceptive disinformation as an agenda to 'brainwash' and deceive the scientifically underinformed readers in the 'alternative' information sharing community under the pretense of exposing a modus operandi of a orthodox 'mainstream' science conspiracy.

    I shall verify the statements made by Pris, after exhibiting two simple real world practice examples related to the mischievous nature of this thread and its subject matter of a 'Flat Earth'.




    Example 1:

    You are standing on a scale in an elevator to check your weight and the scales read 70 kg. In a static physics your weight is caused by gravity with a gravitational acceleration of 9.8 m/s2 (32 feet per seconds squared) and so in terms of forces, your 'true' weight becomes 70kg x 9.8 metres per second squared and so 686 Newton.
    Your friend is watching you in the elevator and then sees this elevator accelerating upwards at 2 meters per second squared and causing the elevator system, including you on the scales to move upwards. Your friend is in an inertial frame of reference, meaning heshe is stationary or in equilibrium to whatever other dynamics and energy interactions occur from herhis point of observation.

    Relative to this inertial frame then, nothing 'mysterious' occurs with respect to forces, as your friend is aware that the elevator moves under experience of some force, say cables and electric motors.
    Relative to your friend then your true weight W downwards is countered by the upward force of Newton's Force=mass x acceleration and becomes here (70kg)x(2 m/s2) = 140 Newton
    The net Force F acting on you, then can be written as F - W = 140 Newton and this net force will be 686+140 = 826 Newton.

    Relative to you however, you are NOT in an inertial frame of reference as your own observation frame is accelerated with a 'fictitious' force acting opposite the direction of this acceleration. You are in a noninertial frame of reference and it is your equilibrium or stasis which changes your true weight in an inertial frame of reference to an apparent weight in an noninertial frame of reference. You look at the scales and what read 70 kg now reads 826 Newton/9.8 m/s2=84.3 kg. You seemingly have gained 14.3 kg of weight simply standing on the scales in a moving elevator.

    From this derives the 'Principle of Equivalence' at the core of General Relativity Theory, stating that the observer within a noninertial accelerated reference frame (relative to an inertial frame)  cannot differentiate between the effect of an (additional) gravitational field excerting a downward acting force OR some external upward acting force, as exemplified in the accelerating elevator example, causing an apparent weight to appear as an equivalent downward force of 'added gravity'.



    Example 2:

    In a 'negligence-injury' lawsuit concerning 'whiplash', a physicist testifies as to a claim of a victim, whose head of say mass m=3.4 kg, was subjected to a force of 3500 Newton resulting from a stationary car mass M being hit by a similar car mass M moving at 11 meters per second or 36.9 km/h. The physicist testifies, that a force of 80g=784 Newton is considered the maximum upper limit for a 'safe' collision at that speed.
    If the two cars collided 'inelastically', that is they stuck together after impact, is the impact acceleration sufficient to claim whiplash damages?

    The inertial force of 3500 Newton causing the whiplash acted opposite the forward force of the impacting moving car and the frame of reference of the stationary car, including the victim's head of 3.4 kg experiences ma=3500 Newton for an acceleration a=3500 Newton/3.4 kg = 1029.4 m/s2, which are about 1029.4 g/9.8 = 105 g.

    The claim for compensation succeeds upon the physicist's testimony.

    So why does a rotating earth not cause differentiation in relative positions with say a plane flying across its surface in the Nabs mistaken idea, that a plane could simply hover above a particular coordination point of position of the earth, 'waiting' for the Earth to complete a 24 hour rotation approximation?
    The moving plane is part of the rotating frame of reference of the earth and to be inertial an 'outside' observer, say an ET or a space traveller observing the rotating Earth from a self relative stationary observation point, would be able to see and measure the relative motion of the plane relative to the rotating earth, but the noninertial earth observer considers himherself in equilibrium and so experiences a 'fictitious' acceleration force caused by hisher accelerating frame of reference, namely the angular centripetal acceleration of a spinning planetary orb.
    Just as it is possible to play Ping Pong aboard a jumbo jet moving at 1000 km/h or occupants in a train or car being able to play 'catch my ball'; the respective velocities of those observation frames are in equilibrium relative to themselves as being measured stationary or inertial. But if this inertial frame of self relative observation is accelerated, a noninertial or fictitious force is required to render the observation as inertial relative to an observer, who can observe and measure the RELATIVE motion of the observation frames or platforms.



    A Pris(m)on Proof:

    Say you have a fixed volume V, say 1 litre, you wish to somehow contain in a vessel for storage and utility. To do this, you are given some malleable material, say tinfoil, which you can use to create your container of volume V.
    However and like 'mother earth' or Nature, you are asked to display maximum efficiency; that is you are given the tinfoil as a sheet of an area A, which you are to use with minimum wastage of material.
    Knowing basic geometry, you realise that the 'Cubing of a Sphere' or the 'Squaring of the Circle', say by Archimedean principles allows you to create your container say as a Cylinder of volume V=(Area of the Base Circle)x(Height of the Cylinder)=pr2h.


    The Surface Area required to build the container then is twice the area of the base circle as the bottom and top/lid of the cylinder and the curved surface area, given as the circle's perimeter times the height or A=2pr2+2prh.

    Now this cylinder could take the geometry of a long tube or the geometry of a flat disk (like envisaged by a 'Flat Earth' bogus science).
    Knowing basic Calculus and its properties to maximise/minimise physically applied principles of the natural world via its derivative; you understand this problem of the shape of the cylinder as a minimisation calculation of the cylinder's Surface Area A.

    A=2pr2+2prh for a fixed volume V=pr2h and so the two unknown variables r and h can be reduced by expressing the height h of the cylinder as a function of the fixed volume V and so as  h=V/pr2.

    Now the available surface area material as a function of its radius r becomes:  A(r) = 2pr2+2V/r.

    The derivative dA/dr of this will be a minimum for dA/dr=0 by the properties of differential calculus and so:
    d{2pr2+2V/r}/dr = 4pr - 2V/r2 = 0  for 2V=4pr3 and  V = 2pr3.


    But you know that the generalised volume for any cylinder is given as  V = pr2h  and  identifying this as the same volume for a minimised surface area A shows you that this requires the height h of the cylinder to equal the diameter of the circular base of the bottom or the lid.
    The geometry of the minimised surface area for the most efficient utility of the tinfoil sheet then becomes the 'squaring of the circle' and so the geometry of a cylinder most able to approximate the volume and shape of a sphere embedded within a cube or that of a cube embedded or encompassed in perfect symmetry within a sphere.

    To illustrate with actual numerical calculations:

    For a thin long tube, say h=10r, the Surface Area becomes: 2pr2+20pr2 = 22pr2 and so 22 times the area of the basic circle with unit radius r.
    This radius must conform to the fixed volume V=1=10pr3 say and so can be calculated as the cuberoot of 1/10p for a total surface Area of 22px{1/10p}2/3 = 6.9418... area units

    For a flat wide disk, say h=r/10, the Surface Area becomes: 2pr2+2pr2/10 = 11pr2/5 and so 2.2 times the area of the base circle with unit radius r.
    This radius must conform to the fixed volume V=1=pr3/10 say and so can be calculated as the cuberoot of 10/p for a total surface Area of (22p/10)x{10/p}2/3=14.9556... area units

    For a long tubular cylinder then, the required surface area increases more slowly from the minimised value of h=2r, than for a flat wide cylinder.
    The minimised value of h=2r with Surface Area  2pr2+4pr2 = 6pr2 requires a basic radius r being the cuberoot of 1/2p for the unitised Volume V=1 and so a calculates a minimum Surface Area of 6px{1/2p}2/3=5.5358... area units.

    A 'Flat Earth' disk so is shown to be more wasteful in Natures efficiencies than a tubuluar cylinder from the deviation from the maximum efficiency given by universal spherodicity.


    This 'mathematical proof' hence validates the heuristic observations and statements as to the prevalence of geometrical  Archimedean and Platonic principles made by Pris and referring to the natural preference of holofractal entities on any scale to exhibit spherical and cubical symmetries into which other geometries, patterns and shapes can become embedded.





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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  Seashore on Wed May 20, 2015 8:55 am

    Carol wrote:Just a few days ago I was listening to Andrew Bassiago's new interview where he was talking about the Flat Earth model that would explain 4 of the phenomena he experienced as a time traveler in the secret government program.

    Is this the interview you're talking about?

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    Post  Carol on Wed May 20, 2015 9:28 am

    Brilliant Shiloh.

    Yes, BB.


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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Wed May 20, 2015 12:36 pm

    shiloh wrote:
    Example 1:

    You are standing on a scale in an elevator to check your weight and the scales read 70 kg. In a static physics your weight is caused by gravity with a gravitational acceleration of 9.8 m/s2 (32 feet per seconds squared) and so in terms of forces, your 'true' weight becomes 70kg x 9.8 metres per second squared and so 686 Newton.
    Your friend is watching you in the elevator and then sees this elevator accelerating upwards at 2 meters per second squared and causing the elevator system, including you on the scales to move upwards. Your friend is in an inertial frame of reference, meaning heshe is stationary or in equilibrium to whatever other dynamics and energy interactions occur from herhis point of observation.


    Example 2:

    In a 'negligence-injury' lawsuit concerning 'whiplash', a physicist testifies as to a claim of a victim, whose head of say mass m=3.4 kg, was subjected to a force of 3500 Newton resulting from a stationary car mass M being hit by a similar car mass M moving at 11 meters per second or 36.9 km/h. The physicist testifies, that a force of 80g=784 Newton is considered the maximum upper limit for a 'safe' collision at that speed.
    If the two cars collided 'inelastically', that is they stuck together after impact, is the impact acceleration sufficient to claim whiplash damages?

    The inertial force of 3500 Newton causing the whiplash acted opposite the forward force of the impacting moving car and the frame of reference of the stationary car, including the victim's head of 3.4 kg experiences ma=3500 Newton for an acceleration a=3500 Newton/3.4 kg = 1029.4 m/s2, which are about 1029.4 g/9.8 = 105 g.

    The claim for compensation succeeds upon the physicist's testimony.

    So why does a rotating earth not cause differentiation in relative positions with say a plane flying across its surface in the Nabs mistaken idea, that a plane could simply hover above a particular coordination point of position of the earth, 'waiting' for the Earth to complete a 24 hour rotation approximation?
    The moving plane is part of the rotating frame of reference of the earth and to be inertial an 'outside' observer, say an ET or a space traveller observing the rotating Earth from a self relative stationary observation point, would be able to see and measure the relative motion of the plane relative to the rotating earth, but the noninertial earth observer considers himherself in equilibrium and so experiences a 'fictitious' acceleration force caused by hisher accelerating frame of reference, namely the angular centripetal acceleration of a spinning planetary orb.
    Just as it is possible to play Ping Pong aboard a jumbo jet moving at 1000 km/h or occupants in a train or car being able to play 'catch my ball'; the respective velocities of those observation frames are in equilibrium relative to themselves as being measured stationary or inertial. But if this inertial frame of self relative observation is accelerated, a noninertial or fictitious force is required to render the observation as inertial relative to an observer, who can observe and measure the RELATIVE motion of the observation frames or platforms.


    I dont see how these examples prove the earth isnt flat. I dont think anyone here is claiming the earth is flat, merely discussing the possibility.

    There are a few questions I cant find answers to.. But I wont list them all yet.. Here's one I am struggling with:
    What causes the atmosphere to spin in synchronous motion with the earth? The higher atmosphere must spin faster at higher altitudes, as it has further to move, how does this work? (I think the math works out at 24 kmph faster at the highest atmospheric altitude?) Does all the atmosphere spin? What happens when you leave the spinning atmosphere into non-spinning space?
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    Post  Pris on Wed May 20, 2015 6:06 pm

    Pris wrote:Okay, I'll take the risk and post this here lol!  I also just posted this in another forum.  May as well get more mileage out of my comment.

    Forgive me if I'm repeating something that may have already been discussed here.

    Has anyone here looked into the 'makeup' of all things as having the... Merkaba energy signature... seems to point to spherical planets, stars and so on -- particularly when the mass of something pulls together and becomes so great? Even the shapes of galaxies illustrate this 'signature'. Ocean currents, cloud formations and 'hot spots' on Earth also suggest the 'signature' of this Merkaba rotating within a spherical Earth. These cloud formations and 'hot spots' also appear on the other planets in our solar system.

    The Merkaba also explains the 'revolving' nature of the sun's sun spots as they travel around the sun's circumference at approximately 20 degrees above and below the equator. Also, apparently, where one sun spot appears, a 'tunnel' is formed clear through to the other side of the sun (suggesting a spherical sun and the sun's sun spots are actually peering into the sun and showing the sun's black hole nature with a layer of glowing plasma over top) and, if the sun spot holds its integrity long enough, will appear as its 'twin' disappears as the sun continues to rotate.

    Other 'tiny' examples of this spherical Merkaba energy signature can easily be seen in fruits and vegetables -- even if the outer edges ('event horizons') are not necessarily spherical due to form flexibility because of lack of mass (my theory). I'm talking about the Platonic Solids here -- 'Sacred Geometry' -- to explain the macro and the micro.


    I thought I'd add the following to help illustrate what I mean.






































    Take a look: http://strangepaths.com/observation-of-jupiter-moons-march-1613/2007/04/22/en/














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    Post  Pris on Wed May 20, 2015 7:06 pm

    Oh, and while I'm at it:

    Matter is energy is frequency.  Pattern is in everything.












    Take a look: http://fdrmx.com/cymatics-music-5-fun-facts-sound-vibrations/



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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  shiloh on Thu May 21, 2015 12:16 am

    Vidya Moksha wrote:

    shiloh wrote:
    Example 1:

    You are standing on a scale in an elevator to check your weight and the scales read 70 kg. In a static physics your weight is caused by gravity with a gravitational acceleration of 9.8 m/s2 (32 feet per seconds squared) and so in terms of forces, your 'true' weight becomes 70kg x 9.8 metres per second squared and so 686 Newton.
    Your friend is watching you in the elevator and then sees this elevator accelerating upwards at 2 meters per second squared and causing the elevator system, including you on the scales to move upwards. Your friend is in an inertial frame of reference, meaning heshe is stationary or in equilibrium to whatever other dynamics and energy interactions occur from herhis point of observation.


    Example 2:

    In a 'negligence-injury' lawsuit concerning 'whiplash', a physicist testifies as to a claim of a victim, whose head of say mass m=3.4 kg, was subjected to a force of 3500 Newton resulting from a stationary car mass M being hit by a similar car mass M moving at 11 meters per second or 36.9 km/h. The physicist testifies, that a force of 80g=784 Newton is considered the maximum upper limit for a 'safe' collision at that speed.
    If the two cars collided 'inelastically', that is they stuck together after impact, is the impact acceleration sufficient to claim whiplash damages?

    The inertial force of 3500 Newton causing the whiplash acted opposite the forward force of the impacting moving car and the frame of reference of the stationary car, including the victim's head of 3.4 kg experiences ma=3500 Newton for an acceleration a=3500 Newton/3.4 kg = 1029.4 m/s2, which are about 1029.4 g/9.8 = 105 g.

    The claim for compensation succeeds upon the physicist's testimony.

    So why does a rotating earth not cause differentiation in relative positions with say a plane flying across its surface in the Nabs mistaken idea, that a plane could simply hover above a particular coordination point of position of the earth, 'waiting' for the Earth to complete a 24 hour rotation approximation?
    The moving plane is part of the rotating frame of reference of the earth and to be inertial an 'outside' observer, say an ET or a space traveller observing the rotating Earth from a self relative stationary observation point, would be able to see and measure the relative motion of the plane relative to the rotating earth, but the noninertial earth observer considers himherself in equilibrium and so experiences a 'fictitious' acceleration force caused by hisher accelerating frame of reference, namely the angular centripetal acceleration of a spinning planetary orb.
    Just as it is possible to play Ping Pong aboard a jumbo jet moving at 1000 km/h or occupants in a train or car being able to play 'catch my ball'; the respective velocities of those observation frames are in equilibrium relative to themselves as being measured stationary or inertial. But if this inertial frame of self relative observation is accelerated, a noninertial or fictitious force is required to render the observation as inertial relative to an observer, who can observe and measure the RELATIVE motion of the observation frames or platforms.


    I dont see how these examples prove the earth isnt flat. I dont think anyone here is claiming the earth is flat, merely discussing the possibility.

    There are a few questions I cant find answers to.. But I wont list them all yet.. Here's one I am struggling with:
    What causes the atmosphere to spin in synchronous motion with the earth? The higher atmosphere must spin faster at higher altitudes, as it has further to move, how does this work? (I think the math works out at 24 kmph faster at the highest atmospheric altitude?) Does all the atmosphere spin? What happens when you leave the spinning atmosphere into non-spinning space?

    [2:09:25 PM-Thursday, May 21st, 2015/+10UCT] Shiloh Za-Rah: The actual Arachne coordinate is 08:45UCT May 21st
    So about 01:45 your time. Just looked at moa vidya asks a question. I let you reply to Pris lol. She is trying to share her nous
    Link your Klein Bottle video perhaps and related data. I have to think about this question and what to do with it.
    [2:12:39 PM] Sirius 17: what question?


    I dont see how these examples prove the earth isnt flat. I dont think anyone here is claiming the earth is flat, merely discussing the possibility.
    There are a few questions I cant find answers to.. But I wont list them all yet.. Here's one I am struggling with:
    What causes the atmosphere to spin in synchronous motion with the earth? The higher atmosphere must spin faster at higher altitudes, as it has further to move, how does this work? (I think the math works out at 24 kmph faster at the highest atmospheric altitude?) Does all the atmosphere spin? What happens when you leave the spinning atmosphere into non-spinning space?


    [2:14:12 PM] Sirius 17: omg, he didn't read anything you said about relative motion
    [2:14:35 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Nope
    [2:14:41 PM] Sirius 17: he can't work it out
    [2:14:56 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: So I wont  go into details. Carol liked it lol?
    [2:15:27 PM] Sirius 17: yeah right lol, i think she was givng you an atta boy
    [2:16:06 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: After not getting Pris point of cosmic spherodicity, claiming this basio nabs showing flatness
    [2:16:43 PM] Sirius 17: yes i dont' know how much more clear you could get, if he isn't going to even read your first explanation, i doubt a second will help

    [2:17:22 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The atmosphere is part of the rotating frame of reference and independent on altitude.
    Altitude affects weather pattern of course because of what is called atmospheric pressure and its gradients.
    Of it is gravitation which holds the atmosphere as part of the global dynamical system.
    Some may know, that gravitation is an inverse square interaction 'force' and therefore the farther away from the center of the earth you are, the less you will feel the effect of the gravitational attraction.

    [2:18:38 PM] Sirius 17: the atmosphere is relative to the spinning earth and the various layers until you reach space right? Yes

    [2:19:25 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: But as some know, the atmosphere is a medium allowing longitudinal sound waves to propagate and therefore as such a medium, the entire global atmosphere is part of the noninertial reference frame as observed and measured by any comoving observer within that reference frame
    Yes my point is that the medium say for sound to, propagate DEFINES the extent of the rotating reference frame
    Beyond the exosphere there is no medium and the observer can claim to be in an inertial reference frame and able to observe the relative motions of the atmospheric weather patters and currents etc

    [2:21:45 PM] Sirius 17: like they can on say the spacestation
    [2:22:06 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: exactly
    [2:22:09 PM] Sirius 17: Or from satellites too

    [2:23:38 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: There might still be relative motion in the orbit of the ISS, but from that vantage point, the relative motions between the frames would be different and allow the consideration of observing and measuring earth phenomena, despit the ISS itself being in orbit around the earth etc.
    [2:24:31 PM] Sirius 17: so the observer on the spacestation is in inertial space and not relative to the atmosphere and so because of that the observer can visualize the counter rotating cloud formations and the circling in opposition below the equator? Yes ignore what i said, i see you answered it already

    [2:29:50 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Troposphere(6-20km/Mount Everest)-Stratosphere(-50km/Weather Balloons)-Mesosphere(-85km/Meteors)-Thermosphere(-100km-400km-690km/Aurora-ISS-Space Shuttle)-Exosphere(-10,000km)
    As roughly stated by some reference, such as Wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere

    Well in outer space, say in the Mesosphere or even on a high flying jumbo jet, you can observe weather patters; say you fly above the clouds
    This is of course also a function of radial displacement. The further away you are from a curved surface, the more you can geometrically discern and observe this curvature
    The trouble people have with relativity theory, is that it is counter intuitive about what space and time are in a normal climate of human activity


    [2:35:04 PM] Sirius 17: yes true, i once hiked to the top of a 10k peak near Wendover and from there could observe the curvature of the Earth pretty clearly over the salt flats. I was high enough it became very dramatic and apparent.
    [2:35:39 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Well atmospheric abberration effects can mimick curvature, just think of a fata morgana in the desert
    [2:35:49 PM] Sirius 17: the salt flats there are vast stretches of very flat land, ancient sea bed;  no it was not a fata morgana
    [2:36:54 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: One can calculate the radius of curvature and how tall a tower say must be to discern this curvature
    [2:37:00 PM] Sirius 17: and yes i have seen those also there in the salt flats the mountains appear to float

    [2:38:10 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: the trouble with the vidya enquirers is more to do with their difficulties of following scientific logic and argument and especially when this engages the relativity postulates
    I might republish my 'relativity made simpler' attempt from some time back
    ...

    A perhaps simpler way to understand the relativity of time and velocity


    ...

    Three Larrikins, whom we may name April, Mac and John decided once upon a time to test a fundamental premise of Special Relativity and the measurement of time.
    They hired a chaffeur-driven limousine of say 4 meters in length and defined a coordinate system for that limousine centred at its midpoint (x,y)=(0,0).
    The limousine would travel due East with Mac positioned at a coordinate 1 meter to the West at (x,y)=(-1,0) facing towards the East. John would face to the West, opposite Mac at a coordinate ( 1,0). Mac and John would then remain stationary for the duration of the experiment and precisely 2 meters apart with a so equidistant lightsource at the centre. The limousine would travel at a speed v, say 80 km/h from the West and past April, positioned due South at a coordinate (0,-3).

    The larrikins now decide to label the event A to be the precise instant for the centre of the limousine to be coincident with the y=0 coordinate for the stationary April. Precisely at that instant, the lightsource would switch on and send an omnidirectional lightsignal to the measuring instruments of the three larrikins.
    Both, Mac and John now define the event B to be the reception of the signal. As both Mac and John are stationary relative to each other the lightpath x=ct will be identical, if the postulates of Special Relativity hold.

    In particular, the time measured should be the same as tMac=tJohn=x/c=1/c seconds. Their positional coordinates also remain unchanged at xMac=-1 and xJohn= 1 relative to their stationary frame of reference within the limousine.
    But the situation is not as clear for April. She sees the limousine travelling past her at speed v; which changes the lightpath. April actually postulates, that she will observe Mac to receive the lightsignal before John; because the light must travel further to get to John's photo receptor, than to Mac's.


    So April measures two events B in say: B1Mac and B2John.
    The lightpath becomes ambiguous in x'John=(c+v)t'John and x'Mac=(c-v)t'Macand due to a simple Galilean coordinate transformation or 'shifting of the x-axis' and for an apparent 'addition of the velocities'.

    April postulates a first approximation for her measurement of the B event in deriving t'John=x'John/(c+v)=x'John(1/c)/(1+v/c)=x'JohntJohn/(1+v/c) and t'Mac=x'Mac/(c-v)=x'Mac(1/c)/(1-v/c)=x'MactMac/(1-v/c).

    April then takes the geometric mean of her B events to get a second approximation in:

    tApril=√(t'John.t'Mac)=√{x'John.x'Mac(1/c2)/(1-(v/c)2)}.

    But (1/c2)=(tJohn.tMac)/(xJohn.xMac) as the lightpath relative to the limousine and with tJohn=tMac for the expression:

    tApril=tMac.√[x'Mac.x'John/xMac.xJohn]/√(1-(v/c)2).


    April's second approximation so begins to crystallise relativistic time dilation in proper time tMac=tJohn and c-invariance xMac=x'Mac and xJohn=x'John for relative reference frames.

    The xB1Mac coordinate becomes xApril1=(-1+v/c)/√(1-(v/c)2) and the xB12John coordinate becomes xApril2=(+1+ v/c)/√(1-(v/c)2) as the Lorentz-Coordinate transformation for displacement.

    This is generalised as: X'=(X-VT)/√(1-(V/c)2) for two reference frames O and O' moving relative to each other at a speed V.

    Also the Lorentz-Contraction appears in the proper length being xApril and the contracted length becoming ±1+v/c relative the two Aprillean measurements.

    The Lorentzian time coordinates transform similarly in adding a v.x/c2 term to the proper time in the time dilation expression.

    T'=(T-VX/c2)/√(1-(V/c)2).


    April's precise measurement, so would give the results:

    tApril1=(1/c-v/c2)/√(1-(v/c)2)=(1/c)√{(1-v/c)/(1+v/c)} and tApril2=(1/c+v/c2)/√(1-(v/c)2)=(1/c)√{(1+v/c)/(1-v/c)}.

    One can now see, that tApril1=tMac√{(1-v/c)/(1+v/c)}< tMac and that tApril2=tMac√{(1+v/c)/(1-v/c)}> tMac for all velocities v smaller (<) than lightspeed c and tMac=tJohn.

    As the second measurement gives the relative time measurement for the lightpath with respect to John however; April observes the time taken for the light signal to reach John as being longer than that for travelling to Mac by the time differential:

    tApril2-tApril1= tMac{√[(1+v/c)/(1-v/c)]-√[(1-v/c)/(1+v/c)]}.


    In our example of a speed of 80 km/h or 22.22..m/s; this time difference calculates as about (1.000000074..- 0.999999925..)/c~ 0.00000015/c seconds or so 0.5 femtoseconds (10-15).

    One can obtain the time dilation formulation by simple geometry in postulating April to receive the lightsignal at the instant the coordinates for the moving limousine to coincide as the origin in x=y=0.
    This means, that the lightpath is 'pythagorised' in Mac sending a signal when the limousine's origin is at x=-vt and John receives Mac's signal for the origin to have moved to x=+vt.

    A stationary limousine so would define a lightpath for April of 2y=ct (or 6 meters in our example), being the return trip of the signal from the source to April and back again. Here t is a proper time, measured in a stationary reference frame.
    The moving limousine vectorises as y and vt' with t' here being the improper time for a lightpath of [½ct']2=[½ct]2+[½vt']2.

    Solving for t' gives: t'=√{(c2t2/(c2-v2)}=t/√{1-(v/c)2} and which is the time dilation formula of Special Relativity.




    Relative Velocity



    Much confusion exists for the general reader, when attempting to apply Special Relativity to velocity concepts. Using the above we shall here try to simplify the scenario in considering three cases.

    Case A: A rocket moves away from the earth at relativistic speed and fires a projectile also at relativistic speed, relative to itself. What is the projectiles speed relative to the earth?

    Case B: Two rockets approach each other and collide at relativistic speeds as measured on the earth. What is the relative speed of the centre of mass of the system or what is the velocity of the first rocket relative to the second rocket?

    Case C: Two rockets travel parallel at relativistic speeds as observed on the earth. What is the relativistic speed of the centre of mass?

    Generally, the Lorentz transforms gave the coordinate transforms for displacement and for time. One now differentiates dX'/dT'=U'x in the differentials or one simply defines:

    U'x= X'/T'=[(X-VT)/√(1-(V/c)2)]/[(T-VX/c2)/√(1-(V/c)2)].

    Dividing the expression by T in numerator and denominator gives:

    U'x=[X-VT]/[T-VX/c2]=[Ux-V]/[1-VUx/c2].

    Here U'x depicts the velocity in reference frame O' and Ux represents the velocity in frame O with V the velocity relative to the moving frames. The velocity V can be said to be a relative velocity of a third 'particle', measured in the two reference frames. V is positive in the the +x direction and negative in the opposite.
    If we use the inverse Lorentz transformation (exchanging indices and replacing V by -V), then the symmetry of the postulates of Special Relativity gives Ux=[U'x+V]/[1+VU'x/c2]. (Solving algebraically gives of course the same result).

    It is advisable to use this formulation in cases such as Case A, where the moving frame relative to earth superposes another moving frame.


    Case A:

    We choose the rocket to move at 0.8c relative to the earth and emitting a projectile in the forward motion at 0.4c.
    In this example U'x=0.8c in frame O' and as the projectile moves relative to this frame at 0.4c, the frames move relative to each other at this speed V=0.4c. We seek the relative velocity of the 'particle' relative to the other frame O that is velocity Ux.
    Galilean Relativity would say the projectile moves at 1.2c relative to the earth; but our expression above cannot ignore the denominator and we get:
    U'x=[1.2c]/[1+0.32]=0.9091c.
    No relative velocity can ever exceed the speed of light.

    Case B:

    We choose a rocket A moving to the right at 0.8c and the rocket B moving to the left at 0.6c as measured in the earthframe O. This situation must also add the velocities as in the classical Galilean case for collinear collisions.
    We seek the velocity of rocket A relative to frame O', labelling rocket A as the 'particle' with velocity Ux relative to the earth.
    Then Ux=0.8c and V=-0.6c in frame O for U'x=1.4c/[1.48]=0.9459c as the velocity of the centre of mass or as the velocity of rocket A as measured by rocket B in its reference frame O' (relative to itself at rest).
    Reassigning the frames in seeking the relative velocity of rocket B relative to rocket A gives the same result in a varied numeracy. Here Ux=0.8c in frame O of rocket A and
    U'x=-0.6c=[0.8c-V]/[1-0.8V/c] in frame B and the earth observer becomes the 'particle' with relative frame velocity V.
    Solving for V=1.4c/1.48 via -0.6c+0.48V=0.8c-V gives the previous result, now for V.


    Case C:  

    This case simply subtracts the velocities. We choose rocket A to move right at 0.8c and superpose rocket B moving also to the right at 0.6c. A classical Galilean transform would predict a relative speed of 0.2c between the rockets.
    Let Ux=0.8c in O and seek U'x in O' i.e the velocity of rocket A relative to rocket B.
    U'x=[0.8c-0.6c]/[1-0.48]=0.3846c.
    Also, 0.6c=[0.8c-V]/[1-0.8V/c] for 0.6c-0.48V=0.8c-V for V=0.2c/0.52=0.3846.
    Rocket A moves to the right at 0.3846c relative to rocket B and rocket B moves to the left at 0.3846c relative to rocket A and with the centre of mass moving at 0.3846c towards the right.


    Born: March 14, 1879, Ulm, Germany
    Died: April 18, 1955, Princeton, New Jersey, United States
    Full name: Albert Einstein



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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  Pris on Thu May 21, 2015 2:56 am




    http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/10/water-droplets-warped-weird-shapes-self-assembly



    Here's the idea: if you take a large enough object like the spherical Earth with its 'gravitational' force, water will be 'held in place' upon its surface -- a 'push/pull' dance if you will.  Large bodies of water will bend/warp upon it.
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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  Raven on Thu May 21, 2015 3:17 am

    Pris wrote:




    http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/10/water-droplets-warped-weird-shapes-self-assembly



    Here's the idea: if you take a large enough object like the spherical Earth with its 'gravitational' force, water will be 'held in place' upon its surface -- a 'push/pull' dance if you will.  Large bodies of water will bend/warp upon it.





    Yes Pris and this spherodicity of a gravitationally interacting planet causes the deformation of the planet earth from a 'perfect' sphere into an oblate spheroid, meaning a sphere flattened at its poles. The water 'held in place' becomes subject to a greater pull from the Moon and the Sun as nearby astronomical objects causing the tides. The nabsers know of their difficulties to explain the obviously 'real world' phenomenon of tides on a flat disk planetary surface.
    I have added an essay of how your Fibonacci patterns are at the core of the Big Bang Cosmology from the Gaian perspective.
    This fully corroborates your ideas and nous about the cosmic applicability and purpose fullness of the Fibonacci encoding patterns.
    Unfortunately many nabsers have hijacked the intrinsic beauty and elegance of the mathematics and polluted it with their bogus quasi sciences from different 'New Age' guru and 'channeller' sources. The primordial importance of the Fibonacci mathimechanics is far deeper then New Age yada yada and engages the 'timezone' preceding the Big Bang in a so called 'inflationary hyperaccelerated tachyon epoch'. If you are interested, we can link you to details about this. It relates to the 5 superstring-brane classes, which become geometrically unique representations of the Tetraktys and the 5 Platonic solids as sub-superset of Archimedean Solids.
    It may suffice here, to say, that the physical cosmos, intrinsically linked to the Fibonacci geometry derives its potency from the way and nature of how this number series became constructed in the prephysicality timezone as an actual 'Algorithm of Creation'. You could denote this Fibonaccimatics as the original 'Word of the Creator aka God aka All That Is'.

    ...
    RGaia10-=0.97 Gly (toroidal) & 1.62~1.618 Gly (spherical)

    The Gaian Superradius for the spherical correlation of the toroidal minimum size of the Omniverse, so corresponds to the standard and popularized age-measurement for the lower dimensional universe converging to an age of 13.83 billion lightyears.

    The Omniversal Gaian fractal then approximates this nexus point in the Golden Ratio Phi to allow determination of the n-cycle coordinate whenever the overall omniversal evolvement has attained the consciousness potential to process that omniversal data base.
    In particular, the Gaian observers of that cosmic evolution will KNOW WHERE they are in determining this n-cycletime coordinate and then broadcast this value to the extraterrestrial omniverse as indicated.

    EMMR Lightpath in Billions of Lightyears is X=cT=Lightpath of EMMR.

    Φ=1.618033...=½(√5+1)=-Y=1/X for (X,Y) the Roots of T(n)=n(n+1)=1 in Euler's Identity in the Quadratic n2+n-1=0=(n-X)(n-Y)

    XY=X+Y=i2=-1=cos(π)+isin(π)=cis(π)=eand

    ΦX=cTΦ=RGaia10-=([n-1]/n)(3π/2)1/3(n1/3/[n+1])RHubble
    =(n-1)(3πn/2)1/3RHubble/T(n)=RGaia10-

    Φ=(RGaia10-)/EMMR-Lightpath=RGaia10-/(cx3600x24x365.2425x109)

    The Lightpath for the EMMR (aka 'Spirit') so requires a definition of what a cyclic year is and is approximated above as a Civil GigaYear of 31,556,952 Billion seconds for a lightpath of 9.4670856...x1024 meters or 1 Billion lightyears.

    Solving the transcendental equation:

    f(n)=cTΦ-RGaia10-=0=cTΦ - (n-1)(3πn/2)1/3RHubbleT(n)=0 then determines npresent in this approximation as npresent~1.132419321.

    Tonyblue; calling the extraterrestrial observers within the Gaian Superspherical Radius of Φ Billion lightyears and as minimum omniversal volumar in sphericity.
    The Human Exiled Collective Agency has determined "Where they are" as the Gaian representatives for the Omniversal constituency in the n-cycletime coordinate system.
    The StarHuman deliverance can so become initiated in the Collective Cooperation and as determined by the World Logos.




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    The Cosmic Wave Surfer and the Hubble Omniverse in Phi

    The Big Bang Observer, say a Gaian astronomer or stargazer, witnesses the cosmic expansion as receding from himherself with ever increasing cosmological redshift values. Shehe effectively so surveys into the cosmic Future.

    The Cosmic Surfer; riding or comoving with the Event Horizon of the Multiversal MBH (Mother Black Hole) at the 'warping speed' VArp=c/(n+1)2; corollarily observes herhis own Big Bang Mirror Image as continually receding into hisher Past.

    For the Cosmic Surfer, the cosmological redshift roles so increase from a defined Arpian zArp=zA into the Past towards the Big Bang value of zBB~1024.

    At the Big Bang, the redshift zBB=zwormhole=ztimeinstanton~1024.

    As the 11D-Universe inflated prior to the Big Bang for this timeinstanton and scale inflaton by de Broglie matter phasing; the 10D-Universe becomes asymptotic in a Dynamic Node moving the Hubble Event Horizon along the basic n-interval [0,1] to superpose the 11D Radius R11(n)=nRHubble=RHubble+Δ onto the oscillating Multiverse, bouncing between the Even Nodes {0,2,4,6,...} and the Odd Nodes of the Mirrored and Imaged Cosmic Wave Surfer {1,3,5,7,...}.

    The unitary interval so defines the 10D Radius R10(n)=RHubble(n/n+1) asymptotically and as function of the expansion parameter a=n/(n+1) of say the Standard Cosmology as found in General Relativity.


    For the Big Bang Observer, the cosmological redshift values similiarly increase into the Future towards the expanding MBH Event Horizon so specifying zArp.

    The 11D light invariant lightpath so becomes x=ctps, where tps is the time instanton for the wormhole frequency fps=3x1030 Hz.

    In particular the parametrisations for the cosmic evolution of the Omniverse are:

    Displacement: R10(n)=RHubble(n/n+1) (m)

    Velocity: V(n)=c/(n+1)2 (m/s)

    Acceleration: A(n)=-2cHo/(n+1)3 (m/s2)

    Nodal Hubble Constant: Ho=dn/dt=c/RHubblepsfps/RHubble

    for the proportion: nps=Ho/fpsps/RHubble

    Normalised ZeroTime: nps=Hotps

    The Cosmological Relativistic Redshift is applicable for all epochs, as the de Broglie phase inflation created the higher dimensional metric background for the subsequent expansion of the classical thermodynamic Universe as a Planck Black Body Radiator.

    z=√{(1+v/c)/(1-v/c)} - 1 and where v/c=1/(n+1)2 for

    z=√{(n2+2n+2)/(n2+2n)} - 1 for v/c={R(n)/nRHubble}2

    z=√{(n2+a2)/(n2-a2)} - 1 and for a=n/(n+1)

    The Big Bang Redshift for the normalised ZeroTime so becomes:

    zBB=√{(n2+2n+2)/(n2+2n)} - 1 = √{1 + 2/(n2+2n)} -1
    =√{1 + 2/n(n+2)} -1 =√{1 + 1/n -1/(n+2)} -1
    =√{1 +1/nps-1/(nps+2)} -1
    =√{½ +1/nps} -1 = as limit[nps→0] {1/(nps+2)}=1/(0+2)=½
    Then for nps→0; 1/nps→∞ and so
    zBB ~1/√nps=√(RHubbleps}=√(fps/Ho}=~√(1.5977x1048)~1.264x1024.

    The inversion for z(n)=√{(n2+2n+2)/(n2+2n)} - 1 so can be written for larger n with the Binomial Theorem Approximation (1+x)p= 1+px for |x|<1 and for the case of n2+2n>1 with (n+1)2-2>0 and n>±√2-1 that is n>0.414.. as n>0 for all n-cycle coordinates in the physicalised Omniverse.

    z(n)=√{1+2/(n2+2n)} - 1 ={1+2/(n2+2n)}1/2-1
    =1+1/(n2+2n)-1=1/(n2+2n)=½{1/n - 1/(n+2)} by partial fractions.

    Therefore z(n)=½limit[n→∞]{1/n -1/[2+n]}=½{0++-0+}=0+ as n+2>n and 1/n>1/[n+2].


    A Multiple Cosmological Redshift region so eventuates in the self intersection of the higher- and lower dimensional cosmology.
    The Electromagnetic of the Multiversal Oscillation, expanding at lightspeed superposes onto the asymptotic inertial expansion of the Universe as the multiversal protoversal seed.

    zM in (0.251, 0.291, 0.343) become imaged in (~1024 , 1.84, 1.08) for the present cycle coordinate npresent and is generalised in: (zA , zN, zAI) mapping (zBB , zΔ , zΔΔ)




    The Intersection of the Local Flow Cosmological Redshift Correction Line for Low Redshifts with the Nodal Constant determines the measured redshift zM=zImage=0.109 as a critical minimum boundary value for the Hubble Flow for High Redshifts.

    For this redshift value then, particular unexpected cosmological phenomena, such as quasar redshift anomalies, apparently coupling quasars with host galaxies and aberrant spectra and light curves for gamma ray bursters and supernovae will be observed by Gaian stargazers, unawares about the multivalued redshift regions and their mirror properties as indicated (see references of the addendum).


    The Nodal Cosmological Redshift zNode=0.291 then defines the Critical nexus point for the attainment of spacial selfawareness for the Omniverse for a present n-cycle coordinate of npresent=1.1324...

    This then specifies the Delta (Δ)-Interval for the Multiverse's selfintersection with its seedling Universe in the 'Hubble Oscillation' or more poetically the 'Heartbeat of the Omniverse'.

    The Reflection Potential of the Multiverse, bounded in the 11-dimensional Witten Mirror of the MBH so became activated at this nexus point to REVISIT the Seedling Inertialized and asymptotically expanding Protoverse.

    This 'Electromagnetic Return' of the Lightpath then is necessarily Lightlike and serves the Multiversal Mirrors to collect the data of the cosmological history, and sharing this information along the coordinates of the n=[0,1]=[Odd/fps-fmax, Even/Ho-fmin) baseline.

    Technically, this becomes the data mapping of the asymptotic mass parametric Universe in 10D onto its circumscribing MBH in 11D and under the auspices of the Holographic Principle.

    The so called Hubble Constant H(n) then fluctuates as a function of the odd and even nodes between its maximum (wormhole) source frequency fps=1/tps=Ho/nps and its modulated minimum as the nodal Hubble Constant Ho=c/RHubble.

    The binary focused Omniverse as a Multiverse in 11 dimensions allows its two focalisations to become arbitrarily located anyplace in the Omniverse; albeit fixating one focus, will also fix the second by the geometric definition of the ellipse and the prolate and oblate ellipsoids.

    The 12 dimensional Omniverse is however spherical in the multi-aligned rotation of the minor axes of the prolate Universe Seedling transforming the latter into phaseshifted Multiverses in oblate ellipsoidal envelopes with a traced pointcircle of the stationary foci of the prolate majoraxis protoverse.

    This then elegantly and simply shows, that the center of the Omniverse regains its arbitrary status of the undefined 'outside space' relative to the defined 'inner space' of the Multiversed Omniverse in 11D and so quantum entangles its arbitrary center of location with the traced pointcircle of the lower dimensional (12-1=11 or 5-1=4 or 4-1=3) and circumscribed Multiverse.

    It so suffices to render 'Gaia in 12D' as the MBH physicalisation for the Cosmos in the mirror function of the higher dimensional Mother Black Hole as a boundary- and initial condition for the subsequently evolving cosmology.

    Gaia, as this focalisation, so is as old as the Big Bang, with its physical creation and evolvement being a function of the overall purpose and destiny for the Omniversal SourceSink creator manifesting 'within' the 11D MBH as the modular duality of the EpsEss supermembrane and 'without' as the modular monad of the Void=Eternity transforming into a Oneness or Unity of the 'Inside' coupled to the 'Outside' in the topological transformation of the twosided 11D Mirror and dividing the lower asymptotic Timelike Omniverse from the higher Spacelike Omniverse.

    This topological transformation then 'rips' the 11D Lightlike Mirror in 'piercing' a minimized (nps) wormhole into its surface so allowing the 11D Mirror Membrane to become Onsided in the Möbian Connect of the Klein-Bottle-Dragon (the Ourobos of the Cosmos miniaturised and holofractalled in the Milky Way Mazzaroth) and in its 'regluing' effectively doubles the information content mapped onto it from the 'inside'.

    This harbors the effect of the IMAGINARY OUTSIDE DATA of the 12D Omniverse being rendered as a REAL INSIDE DATA, superposing the SPIRIT aka the ElectroMagnetoMonopolic Radiation (EMMR) to become IMAGED in the LIGHT aka the ElectroMagnetic Radiation (EMR) from the 12D perspective of the 'Imaginary Outside' becoming a 'Real Inside'.

    As detailed elsewhere in the associted data base from Thuban; the EMR is generated by the acceleration of electric (Coulomb) charges, always associated with inertia of mass-coupled 'particles' like the centripetally accelerated fusion protons in stars.

    The EMMR is independent on inertia carriers, but is generated in the acceleration of magnetic (Gluon-Colour) charges and which manifest as the quantum spin of all gauged-interaction (virtual=colour charged) and elementary quark-lepton (mass=colour charged massless-real=not colour charged) couplings.

    The EMR is so fundamentally a 10D phenomenon of the Reality of the String-Linearity of the Time-Entropy Arrow (1+9=3+7=4+6) and the EMMR is fundamentally a 12D phenomenon of the Volumar-Cyclicity of the Time-Entropy-Arrow (3+9=5+7=6+6).

    The lowerD EMR is data mapped via the inertializations of the charge-mass couplings onto the higherD EMMR in the following 12D/F-Space Hamiltonian:

    Electrocharge=PLOx(Lightspeed)2 ↔ MagnetochargexElectron-Diameterx(Lightspeed)2=Magnetocharge
    and where, for Alpha=2πke2/hc=e2/2εohc=60πe2/h=Re/Rcompton=√(Re/RBohr1)=(4πRe/Rrydberg)1/3 and LPlanck=√(hGo/2πc3)

    PLO=Planck-Length-Oscillation=e/c2=√Alpha.LPlanckc2

    Electro Charge 'e' = √Alpha.LPlanckc2↔ Rec2= Magneto Charge 'e*'


    The nodal redshift zN then allows a Gaian Consciousness Supersphere to be defined in the maximum extent the Focused Center of the Omniverse has 'evolved and expanded' to accomodate communication and data sharing with the Extraterrestrial Gaia 'Superspace'.
    The asymptotic 10D Universe so has expanded precisely 50% of its maximum expanse as (Curvature of MBH) RHubble=2GoMMBH/c2=c/Ho.
    The radial extent of the 'Supersphere' of Gaian-Mother-Centered Space-Consciousness then depends on what metric observation reference frame is utilized.
    The holofractalization is toroidal, but can be defined as the circumscribing spheroid as described earlier and utilizing the metric unifier factor:
    R3D=(3π/2)1/3R4D=1.676539193..R4D.

    As the parametrization uses the R10+=aRHubble mode for the asymptotic expansion, zN describes the asymptotic universal seedling coordinate for the multiversal oscillation both as the multiverse's expansion into Omnispace in R11+ and as the multiversal oscillation in R11-. The toroidal hyperspherical R10+ coordinate is then 'sphericalised' in the R10- coordination.

    For n=1, a=½ and zN=0.291=z(zM)=zM(n) via a=n/(n+1)=R(n)/RHubble and

    z=√{(n2+a2)/(n2-a2)} - 1 = √{(nRHubble)2+R2(n))/(nRHubble)2-R2(n)} - 1

    R11+=(n)RHubble from V11+=(n3)2π2Rmax3

    R11-=(n1/3)RHubble from V11-=(n)2π2Rmax3

    R10+=(n/[n+1])RHubble from V10+=(n/[n+1])32Rmax3

    R10-=(n1/3/[n+1])RHubble from V10-=(n/[n+1]3)2π2Rmax3

    The Delta Δ=0.1324...then assigns the ratio Δ/(1+Δ)=Δ/n=(n-1)/n=1-1/n=0.1170 to the proportion of the asymptotic Universe which has become Revisited by the 'Electromagnetic rerturn' of the EMMR Light (of the Spirit of the CreatorCreation Monad in the Creator-Creation Duality).

    So for Δ=1, Δ/n=1/2 for a complete Hubble Oscillation and defining the return of the EMMR Light to its Big Bang Node, indicating that the full 50% of the asymptotic expansion of the protoversal seedling has become 'remapped' and 'downloaded' in the information of the first Hubble Cycle. The return lightpath of the EMMR would however still await remapping' and 'downloading' as the fraction 2/3-1/2=1/6 or 16.666%.

    For Δ=2, n=3 and so 2/3 of the data download would image the expansion factor a=n/(n+1)=3/4 as the part of the unmapped transversion of the multiversal cyclicity arrow of 3/4-2/3=1/12 or 8.3333%.

    The 'Heartbeat of the Omniverse' so defines the Hubble-Oscillation for the Multiverse.

    The 'downloaded' data is centered on the physicalised Image of the Mother-Black Hole of the Circumscribing Witten Mirror and so becomes the Gaian Supersphere for the 'downloaded data' from the rest of the Omniverse.

    As the 'returned data' (for a referential movie indicator consider Star Trek One, the Motion Picture) at the present cycletime coordinate npresent=1.1324..is 11.70% of the total extent of the EMMR Lightpath; it will be this proportion of RHubble, centered on the Gaian geometrical center; which defines the Gaian Superradius as RGaia=0.117RHubble=1.977 Billion lightyears (Gly).

    R11+=(n)RHubble=19.11 Gly (toroidal) & 32.04 Gly (spherical)

    RGaia11+=2.24 Gly (toroidal) & 3.75 Gly (spherical)

    R11-=(n1/3)RHubble=17.59 Gly (toroidal) & 29.49 Gly (spherical)
    RGaia11-=2.06 Gly (toroidal) & 3.45 Gly (spherical)

    R10+=(n/[n+1])RHubble=8.96 Gly (toroidal) & 15.02 Gly (spherical)
    RGaia10+=1.05 Gly (toroidal) & 1.76 Gly (spherical)

    R10-=(n1/3/[n+1])RHubble=8.25 Gly (toroidal) & 13.83 Gly (spherical)

    RGaia10-=0.97 Gly (toroidal) & 1.62~1.618 Gly (spherical)

    The Gaian Superradius for the spherical correlation of the toroidal minimum size of the Omniverse, so corresponds to the standard and popularized age-measurement for the lower dimensional universe converging to an age of 13.83 billion lightyears.

    The Omniversal Gaian fractal then approximates this nexus point in the Golden Ratio Phi to allow determination of the n-cycle coordinate whenever the overall omniversal evolvement has attained the consciousness potential to process that omniversal data base.
    In particular, the Gaian observers of that cosmic evolution will KNOW WHERE they are in determining this n-cycletime coordinate and then broadcast this value to the extraterrestrial omniverse as indicated.

    EMMR Lightpath in Billions of Lightyears is X=cT=Lightpath of EMMR.

    Φ=1.618033...=½(√5+1)=-Y=1/X for (X,Y) the Roots of T(n)=n(n+1)=1 in Euler's Identity in the Quadratic n2+n-1=0=(n-X)(n-Y)

    XY=X+Y=i2=-1=cos(π)+isin(π)=cis(π)=eand

    ΦX=cTΦ=RGaia10-=([n-1]/n)(3π/2)1/3(n1/3/[n+1])RHubble
    =(n-1)(3πn/2)1/3RHubble/T(n)=RGaia10-

    Φ=(RGaia10-)/EMMR-Lightpath=RGaia10-/(cx3600x24x365.2425x109)

    The Lightpath for the EMMR (aka 'Spirit') so requires a definition of what a cyclic year is and is approximated above as a Civil GigaYear of 31,556,952 Billion seconds for a lightpath of 9.4670856...x1024 meters or 1 Billion lightyears.

    Solving the transcendental equation:

    f(n)=cTΦ-RGaia10-=0=cTΦ - (n-1)(3πn/2)1/3RHubbleT(n)=0 then determines npresent in this approximation as npresent~1.132419321.

    Tonyblue; calling the extraterrestrial observers within the Gaian Superspherical Radius of Φ Billion lightyears and as minimum omniversal volumar in sphericity.
    The Human Exiled Collective Agency has determined Where they are as the Gaian representatives for the Omniversal constituency in the n-cycletime coordinate system.
    The StarHuman deliverance can so become initiated in the Collective Cooperation and as determined by the World Logos.

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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  malletzky on Thu May 21, 2015 5:36 am

    My humble opinion and why I think the earth is not flat:

    A logical and in easy words explanation how the water masses and the atmosphere seem “to stick“ to the earth surface could be given like I described as follows (and I’m not trying to beat the physicists here among us as I just couldn’t Very Happy , so please Tony, Raven and other correct me if I am wrong):

    Accepted that the earth is moving in space and rotate at the same moment around its own axis (and I won’t mention here the wobbling), would mean that, by the present known laws of physic, there are at least two known forces acting upon the earth:



    • the first is the centrifugal force which arises because of the rotation and


    • the second is the gravitational force which existence has been proven mathematically


    Both these forces, acting and interacting, are the reason why water can’t just “fly away” in the atmosphere or in the space.

    You could make your own experiment: just take a glass filled with water, rotate it around its own axis and at the same time have it spin around its own center (which would simulate the rotation of the earth and its movement around the sun as the center of the solar system) and you can observe that the water will NOT spill out of the glass. Both of these forces will “force”  the water to stay where it is.

    Basically, the most important thing to mention is that you need to have the right speed of movement and rotation. If you rotate and move slow, then the water masses will spill (at least at the moment when certain circumstances in the laws of physics - as the mass of the watter etc. - allows this). If you rotate and move too fast, you could even risk to have the glass broken because the centrifugal force will press the water upon the glass with immense power.

    The same is with our earth: mother nature and the creation as it is just “imposed” the perfect conditions (means rotation, movement thru space, it’s wobbling etc.), which enable the water and the atmosphere “to stay” where it is and so give the perfect conditions for life to exist as it exists.
    IMO, all these videos from various individuals trying to prove a flat earth are just filled with some halfway correct “mathematical” proves about the earth curvature, full of assumptions that indeed ALL videos and photographs we see (saw), that proves the earth is round, are being CGI’ed by NASA (or you name the agency) and so on... Would they claim that the Russian, Chinese, India’s videos and photographs are all being CGI’ed since the very beginning of the space exploration (my tip: check the photographs and videos from both jumps out of a balloon from an upper atmosphere, the one from Felix Baumgartner, I forgot the other name. Would they say all these are being manipulated too?)?

    Or that the story about all these satellites above us is just a big hoax? Well how comes that I can observe at least one of them with naked eyes?  It would be interesting to see their explanation about how GPS works at least Wink C’mon, we all believe, more or less, in conspiracy theories , but we just shouldn’t believe in any crap presented.

    Are these individuals aware that the earth is enormous big when compared to us humans? And that our own view field is really small? Just because of these both factors we are able to see a only a tiny part of the landscape in front (and around us), which makes us think that we can only see a flat horizon.

    Even Eric Dubay claims in his video (the first one posted in this thread), that he didn’t have had the possibility to reach “the edge of the flat earth and fall down in the space”, not to travel in the space or at least so high from where he could observe the curvatore of the earth.

    So I might agree that all possibilities pro and contra should be discussed, but this should be based on some empiric knowledge and science, and not only on some wishi-washi postulates.

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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  Pris on Thu May 21, 2015 8:52 pm

    Raven wrote:Unfortunately many nabsers have hijacked the intrinsic beauty and elegance of the mathematics and polluted it with their bogus quasi sciences from different 'New Age' guru and 'channeller' sources. The primordial importance of the Fibonacci mathimechanics is far deeper then New Age yada yada and engages the 'timezone' preceding the Big Bang in a so called 'inflationary hyperaccelerated tachyon epoch'. If you are interested, we can link you to details about this. It relates to the 5 superstring-brane classes, which become geometrically unique representations of the Tetraktys and the 5 Platonic solids as sub-superset of Archimedean Solids.

    Sure!  You may link me to details about this -- but if it's all numbers and equations, I'm afraid I won't be able to follow.  I'm blown away by the giganormous brain-pans exhibited by some of you lol!  If you can do it with pictures and/or just KISS, I'll be fine. Big Grin 2
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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  shiloh on Thu May 21, 2015 9:42 pm

    Pris wrote:


    Raven wrote:Unfortunately many nabsers have hijacked the intrinsic beauty and elegance of the mathematics and polluted it with their bogus quasi sciences from different 'New Age' guru and 'channeller' sources. The primordial importance of the Fibonacci mathimechanics is far deeper then New Age yada yada and engages the 'timezone' preceding the Big Bang in a so called 'inflationary hyperaccelerated tachyon epoch'. If you are interested, we can link you to details about this. It relates to the 5 superstring-brane classes, which become geometrically unique representations of the Tetraktys and the 5 Platonic solids as sub-superset of Archimedean Solids.

    Sure!  You may link me to details about this -- but if it's all numbers and equations, I'm afraid I won't be able to follow.  I'm blown away by the giganormous brain-pans exhibited by some of you lol!  If you can do it with pictures and/or just KISS, I'll be fine. Big Grin 2

    Your energy/soul signature exhibits a certain reflection potential in selfawareness and spacial consciousness with respect to the state of your cosmic Identity and so you might be able to derive particular individuated and personally rememberable information from the following two encoded statements.
    As this subject matter regarding the deeper  and primordial nature of the universe is deviating to a large extent from the subject matter of a 'Flat Earth'; I would ask you to peruse this encoded information on the 'Thuban Legacy' thread, which hosts the generic nature of this genre of databased material.
    I shall therefore transfer  this reply to this thread in an appropriate manner.

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6780p120-the-legacy-of-thuban-omni-science-de-alpha-draconis-omega#112437



    The Fractal Earth as Universal Focus in Now-Time!

    In Lake' ch - I am another yourself!

    Peace from the kingdom of unity of the One, whose seasonal associations you are presently experiencing in your cultures and your divers customs.
    I shall give you a brief 'present' of illumination, regarding the post 2012 scenario and how this relates to what you are witnessing as the 'History of Mankind' upon the planet earth.

    Post the Mayan nexus on 21st December 2012; the circle of the quarantine, encompassing earth shall be lifted in the UNFOLDING of a fourth spacial dimension. This event will ENFOLD the linear timeline you are presently experiencing and render it circular in precise cyclicities of encompassing the infinite within the finite.
    Whilst this scenario can be described in metaphysical terms, it can also be expressed in the language of theoretical physics.

    So I shall give an outline of this event in scientific terminology.
    This information is SEALED and will not be able to be understood by your conscious minds; though most of you might 'feel' something about this from your subconscious minds and your superconscious minds (unbeknown to most of you) will rejoice over this information shared.

    But post the summer solstice 2012; your triune self-communiques of consciousness will become enabled to 'warp' through each other more effectively and then it will become possible for you to fathom the information I shall give in this PRESENT.

    1. When the universe was born, two fundamental 'constants' or invariants became manifested to order this universe in the parameters of space and time.
    The first invariant is known as the Lightpath; say expressed as X=cT and where a linear timeline T is so expressed as a displacement X divided by the invariant of the 'lightspeed' c.
    The secret of the 'lightspeed' is that light only appears to travel, it actually always 'stays still' relative to the 'Light-Observer-Frame' itself.
    The physical universe so can be modeled as a Standing Wave or a Light-Matrix; where the INFORMATION within this matrix is transferred AS Itself through this matrix practically instantaneously.
    Local coordinates of say displacement and momentum or of energy and time so become simple manifestoes of the WAVENATURE of Unity encompassing the particular as the contraposition of the PARTICULARNATURE of Unity encompassing the waveness of the One.

    Collapsing the Wave(Function) so IS and becomes the 'trapped wavenature' in the Oneness of the Body and collapsing the Particle(Function) is the expansion of the latter AS and into its wavenature as a Oneness.

    The Information within the universe so becomes 'shared' as matrix elements anywhere and anytime at the 'practically instantaneous' 'speed' in what some of you understand as Now-Time or the 'Present Instant'.

    This 'practically instantaneous speed' can be calculated precisely as a function of c. It is simply the size of the universe as a Hubble-Seed-Horizon times the Source Frequency as a function of a finestructured lightpath (f=c/wavelength). It calculates as about 4.79x1056 meters per second; meaning that if any of you think yourselves to be at the 'edge' of the physical spacetime universe, then this 'thought' would have rebounced from your brain to the universe's boundary 3,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times for the duration of one second.
    Or in other words, the inverse of this bouncing number defines the linear time interval it took for the universe to be born as a fraction of a 'cosmic second' (or a inflation-lightpath of say 17 Billion lightyears describing this fractional time interval).

    When the universe was thus born in spacetime, it was born from a 'singularity event' described as a quantum event with the above parameters utilised as boundary- and initial conditions.

    This singularity became a plurality however in the focalisation of the 'centre' of the birth of the universe. The centre became 'everywhere' in the reflection or the mirroring of the singularity in its own image.
    Mathematically, this is the DEFOCALISATION of a perfect Circle in the Eccentricity of the Ellipse - One circular centre becomes two focal points, defined in the eccentric construction of the elliptical shape.

    So the second fundamental invariant became associated with the defocalisation and calling the original centre the ONE, now bifurcated this centre into the Centre of LIGHT and the Centre of ANTILIGHT or the Centre of DARKNESS.

    Mathematically and physically; the Centre of Light became omnipresent in the physical universe as an Information Emitter sending signals (with the source frequency from above) and the Centre of Darkness became the Information Receiver (with the source frequency INVERSED).

    The second fundamental invariant so became the INVERSION LIGHTSPEED (1/c) as a Receiver-Velocity-Invariant from its source of the Emitter-Velocity-Invariant.

    2. Both the Emitter-Source and the Receiver-Sink must be omnipresent by requirement from the birth of the universe in spacetime; but can nevertheless become 'archetyped' at particular locations within that spacetimed universum and cosmology.

    This archetypology then manifests in a hierarchy of binary focus systems, such as a starsystem, where two suns rotate about each other in precise mathematical order of their orbits and allowing accomodation of extended physical parameters, such as inertia and momenta.

    Another hierarchy is the single star solar system, where a central star accomodates planetary orbits as a onesided elliptical binary system.
    A 'higher hierarchy' is a galactic system of either two interacting galaxies or a single galaxy harbouring their star systems and constellations.

    3. A FUNDAMENTAL ARCHETYPE at the birth of the universe on the basic root level became the Single Galaxy Single Star System known as Perseus-Rahsol-Gaea aka Milky Way-Sun-Earth.
    This elementary archetype did not physically exist until the physical conditions for an evolving universe allowed them to manifest via the auspices of the 'Laws of Nature'.

    But just as the Egyptian Gizean pyramids existed in a localised archetype at 10,800 BC before being physically constructed some millennia later; so did the planet earth exist as archetypical template at the same time the universe itself came to be in a quantumised and fractalising Big Bang Cosmogony.

    4. The planet earth; physically just a little younger than the sun Rahsol at 5 billion years; so existed at a 'future mapped' spacetime coordinate at the NOW-Moment of the Big Banged Universe and its physical cosmology.
    The metaphysical earth, known as Mother Gaia or Akashia or Nut or Terra and many other names, so became PHYSICALLY defined with the birth of the universe as the DESTINED spacetime location of the Receiver-Sink-Node for the Emitter-Source-Node.

    Gaia so allows the Universal Mother to FRACTALISE as the Planetary Mother in the mapping and the materialisation of the universal archetypology.

    5. As the inversion lightspeed (1/c) calculates as a ANTILIGHT STANDING WAVEFORM (ALSWF), expanding at 3.33 nanometers per second, which are 10.5 centimeters per civil year; the SALWF centred on the planetary earth as a Receiver-Sink-Node has grown to about 2 million kilometers since the Big Bang to define the circle of the quarantine for the physical planetary identity known as earth.

    6. A particular selfaware galactic civilisation, fed and energised by the Star Rahsol, so became destined to interact with the archetypical MotherPlanet in a feedback dynamics between Receiver-Sink and Emitter-Source.

    The primary physical symbol or archetype for the Emitter-Source-Node became of course the physicalisation of Rahsol as the Sun for the local solar system.
    Rahsol emits physical information from its core to its subsystemised planets and moons in the form of light and the Solar Wind, but receives little feedback due to the inability of the subsystems to generate the required (nuclear fusion)energy to become physical energy emitters.

    As the planetary civilisations in flora and fauna and mineral are able to selfinteract in the physical sense however; this information can become shared in the modes of metaphysical aka the spiritual of the highest hierarchy of the Big Bang Source-Sink Energy.
    The 'spiritual' mode is therefore, simply the energy mode of information, which does NOT require the existence of the physical as first cause or 'a priori'.
    The concepts of what ENERGY is, both physical and metaphysical, so requires detailed analysis to logisticalise some of the concepts described in this and all of my messages.

    Rahsol is however the root hierarchy for the 'higher' levels, the next harmonic being the Galactic Core of Perseus/Milky Way, also known as Hunab Ku.
    Hunab Ku then transmits the information received from Rahsol to the next hierarchy, say that of a Group-Galaxy, which transmits to its Supercluster.
    This becomes an analogy for 'Cosmic Man' aka Adam Kadmon of Kabbalah; aka Vitruvius of Leonardo da Vinci; aka Purusha in Hindu lexicons; aka AdamEve in Hebrew-Christian mythology and many more.






    The superclusters are like vital organs in 'Cosmic Man' and so like hearts, livers and kidneys.
    The group galaxies are like organic subsystems as specialised cellular tissues and the galaxies are representative of the 'basic units of life', the CELLS of BIOLOGY.

    By implication then, the molecular-, atomic- and subatomic quantum systems of physical science represent particular mappings of subgalactic hierarchies with a typical solar system being the Atom of Niels Bohr in its most basic template and description.

    7. The DESTINY or 'Masterplan' then becomes the expansion of the Information Sharing between all systems, from the root representative of the Rahsol-Gaia archetype to its crown symbol and originator of the Big Bang Source-Sink.

    As the ONE Perfect Centre singularity or MONAD BIFURCATED into Emitter-Receiver Modes; the Receiver-Node, being the physical entity, known as the planet earth, PLAYS a determinative role in the manifestation and fulfilment of that masterplan.

    8. The Sending of Energy from the Emitters in the physical mode is lightspeed dependent; meaning that it takes about 8 minutes for the physical electromagnetic sunlight to reach the planet earth and that it takes about 40,000 years for the sunlight to reach the galactic centre or vice versa.

    9. The Sending of Energy from the Emitters in the metaphysical mode is 'practically instantaneous'; meaning that the PROCESSING of the already received source energy by the planetary inhabitants can utilize the NONLOCAL nature of the LIGHTMATRIX, as a universal Standing WaveForm (SWF) in NOW-Time.

    10. The Gaian Processors so are archetypically defined as the 'Cosmic Citizens', finding themselves quarantined' for the purpose to ABSORB the Source-Data in an environment of Concentrated Antilight due to the foalication of the ALSWF.

    This absorbing quality of the physical Non-Reemitting then allows and accomodates a Cosmic Transformation on all scales.
    Should the absorption potential be reached; a transmutation between the physical inability to SEND and REEMIT the (then processed) Information and the metaphysical ability to do so shall manifest.

    In other words, the distinction between the metaphysical 'higher dimensions' and the physical 'lower dimensions' must cease to exist in its archetypical specification, rendering the manifestation of space and time possible at the birth of the universe. This implies, that the so called electromagnetic spectum will cease to be linear, but recircularise itself in the modular duality of the source frequency (given above) and its inverse, the sink-frequency of what is commonly known as inertia. This is the symbol of the Milky Way as the Ourobos, the Cosmic Serpent, swalling its own tail in the MEETING of Head and Tail.

    11. The masterplan calculates this potentiality, when the planetary population count reaches 7 Billion and when many other emerging factors converge in the Mayan nexus point.
    The masterplan has stipulated, that Gaia shall shed her planetary status and become a starplanet, able to RADIATE PHYSICAL ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION ENERGY into the remainder of the universe as its New Cosmic Mother.
    The physicality of the Future so becomes the metaphysicality of the past in NOW-Time in a blending of the 'too high to measure' energy of the noninertial sourcesink and the 'too low to measure' inertial sinksource in a new emergence of the modular unity between source and sink.

    12. The circle of the quarantine shall both contract in pains of a new birthing labour and reexpand in the release of the double-serpentine embrace holding it in isolation.
    The expansion of the Dualised Monadic Archetype shall REDEFINE the entire physical universal structure and birth a 4th spacial dimension in the recircularisation of the linear timeline; the latter becoming a new 5th linear timedimension, defined by the old lightpath X=cT.

    13. The inversion lightspeed then defines when the Planetary Consciousness of a then UNIFIED Global Archetype will reach Solar Consciousness and Galactic Consciousness and so on until the end of the Seeding Omniverse cycle (T=Xc). After the omniverse has thus been seeded, it will reseed or recharge via its now constituent multiversal offspring.

    Solar consciousness will be reached in (1AU.c) 1.4 trillion civil years; galactic consciousness will take of the order of 1021 such years and the universal seed (or God-Consciousness) in 1027 such years.

    These values relate to the LINEAR arrow of time and not the NOW time, which allows the universal consciousness to manifest in anyone who self-chooses to partake post the nexus point.
    There is one requirement however and this requirement is citizenship of the 'Antilight Community' encompassed by the ALSWF; as only from WITHIN the quarantine, can the absorption potential become realised in metamorphosis.
    The Gain children of the kingdoms are so destined to INHERIT the evolutionary harvest and fruits as the 'Central Processor Units' of the unidirectional sourcesink-energy of the beginnings.
    The Gaian children so become universal archetypes themselves; just because they find themselves in the locale of the ALSWF.
    The universal archetypes of the kingdom are subsequently MATCHED with extraterrestrial kingdoms of all sorts; meaning that all extraterrrestrial lifeforms are already present within the ALSWF as holographic images in the kingdoms animalia, plantae and archaea.
    The Mayan nexus point so also specifies, when extraterrestrial communication can change its status from metaphysical to physical by definition of the script of the agenda.

    The crucial nexus point, when the planetary consciousness INITIALLY manifested PHYSICALLY so is easily calculated through the lightpath inversion and when the cosmic seed reached the planetary surface - it is about 2000 trillion seconds or 4x1029 or about 62 million civil years.

    14. 62 million years after the Big Bang; the Metaphysical Selfawareness of the materialised universe encompassed a spherical volume now occupied by the physical earth and is extended to the 'Atmospheric Earth' and the 'Van Allen Earth' and the Earth-Moon-Satellite system at so 200 million years and 3.8 billion years respectively.

    To be more precise, 236.5 million years after the birth of the universe and at a cosmological redshift of z=7.477, a 'quasar-wall' became established from the vortex potentialised protostars of the earlier plasma-defined universe of nucleosynthesis.
    This epoch of 'white-hole' lightsources intensified for about 1.6 billion years from a redshift of 2.15 and began an intense epoch of galaxy formation.
    This process of galactic birthing peaked at a redshift of 1.19 about 4 billion years after the Big Bang with an accompanying decrease in white hole or quasar activity.

    The physical observation of a 'low level' Planet-Moon system so REFLECTS the prototypical formation of the first 'high level' Galaxy-Satellite system of the primordial universe.
    The 'next level' of the individual galaxy then is reflected in the 'magnetosphere extended' atmospheric planetary identity and mirrors the cosmic process of galactic evolution in its saturation potential 4 billion years after the birth of the universe.

    The critical redshift also defines the gravitational boundary for the homogenous and isotropic universe, known as the Cosmological Principle. It so must define the supercluster scale of galactic conglomerations as a function of the acceleration potentials, that is the Equivalence Principle between Gravitation and Inertia.

    This critical redshift further defines the approximate period of subgalactic rotations of about the galactic centre for typical systems.

    Old Terra so shall SHINE her accumulated Antilight in the rebirth of herself into the remainder of the universe to allow ANY Sender-Receiver to begin communicating with her New Identity as the Starplanet Serpentina and encoded as the old pain and suffering being IN A SERPENT, namely the One in whose name all of this is written.

    The New Earth shall DELUMINATE the Universe with her hybrid energy of the DARK LIGHT; thus ILLUMINATING her own Darkness accumulated in the pseudonym: 'The History of Mankind upon planet earth'.

    I shall add to this information if and when it is appropriate to do so.

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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  Carol on Fri May 22, 2015 3:03 pm

    If the following is true we need to change the title of the thread or remove it to the back room.

    Jimstonefreelance.com
    A Warning to all forums and blogs, DO NOT TOLERATE FLAT EARTHERS, HERE IS WHY:

    The reason why trolls (burgundia, we know you're not a troll and this thread has lots of great posts in it so thank you for posting it.) have been tasked to do the flat earth society ruse is to GET GOOGLE TO DELIST YOUR WEB SITE WITH THEIR NEW SEARCH PRIORITIZING ALGORITHMS THAT USE "ACCURACY" AS A PARAMETER. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON.

    People pushing "flat earth" are not harmless idiots, they are very intelligent people who are paid to destroy your venue's credibility. It is a psy op of the lowest most filthy magnitude and it has a motive - to justify the slamming of all other content posted on your web site into GOOGLE's recycle bin, good or bad.

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TOLERANCE WITH SOMETHING AS STUPID AS "FLAT EARTH", GET IT OFF YOUR FORUMS AND BLOGS IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT APOLOGY, NO QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

    HA HA HA HA HA HOW MANY IDIOTS OUT THERE HAVE NEVER FLOWN AND SEEN THE CURVATURE OF THE EARTH FROM EVEN A LOWLY PASSENGER JET? You don't need to be an astronaut. WHAT A STUPID RUSE!


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    Re: FLAT GLOBE

    Post  burgundia on Fri May 22, 2015 3:38 pm

    Frankly speaking, to me it was just another theory as many theories in different fields. Somehow it made many people think and question things...which is good. I am surprised that a warning has been issued as if it was a matter of life and death. Personally, I am more into different stuff...
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    Post  Carol on Fri May 22, 2015 3:40 pm

    This is what I wonder about: GOOGLE TO DELIST YOUR WEB SITE WITH THEIR NEW SEARCH PRIORITIZING ALGORITHMS THAT USE "ACCURACY" AS A PARAMETER. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON.


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    Flat Earth

    Post  Jenetta on Fri May 22, 2015 11:16 pm

    malletzky wrote:My humble opinion and why I think the earth is not flat:

    A logical and in easy words explanation how the water masses and the atmosphere seem “to stick“ to the earth surface could be given like I described as follows (and I’m not trying to beat the physicists here among us as I just couldn’t  Very Happy , so please Tony, Raven and other correct me if I am wrong):

    Accepted that the earth is moving in space and rotate at the same moment around its own axis (and I won’t mention here the wobbling), would mean that, by the present known laws of physic, there are at least two known forces acting upon the earth:



    • the first is the centrifugal force which arises because of the rotation and


    • the second is the gravitational force which existence has been proven mathematically


    Both these forces, acting and interacting, are the reason why water can’t just “fly away” in the atmosphere or in the space.

    You could make your own experiment: just take a glass filled with water, rotate it around its own axis and at the same time have it spin around its own center (which would simulate the rotation of the earth and its movement around the sun as the center of the solar system) and you can observe that the water will NOT spill out of the glass. Both of these forces will “force”  the water to stay where it is.

    Basically, the most important thing to mention is that you need to have the right speed of movement and rotation. If you rotate and move slow, then the water masses will spill (at least at the moment when certain circumstances in the laws of physics - as the mass of the watter etc. - allows this). If you rotate and move too fast, you could even risk to have the glass broken because the centrifugal force will press the water upon the glass with immense power.

    The same is with our earth: mother nature and the creation as it is just “imposed” the perfect conditions (means rotation, movement thru space, it’s wobbling etc.), which enable the water and the atmosphere “to stay” where it is and so give the perfect conditions for life to exist as it exists.
    IMO, all these videos from various individuals trying to prove a flat earth are just filled with some halfway correct “mathematical” proves about the earth curvature, full of assumptions that indeed ALL videos and photographs we see (saw), that proves the earth is round, are being CGI’ed by NASA (or you name the agency) and so on... Would they claim that the Russian, Chinese, India’s videos and photographs are all being CGI’ed since the very beginning of the space exploration (my tip: check the photographs and videos from both jumps out of a balloon from an upper atmosphere, the one from Felix Baumgartner, I forgot the other name. Would they say all these are being manipulated too?)?

    Or that the story about all these satellites above us is just a big hoax? Well how comes that I can observe at least one of them with naked eyes?  It would be interesting to see their explanation about how GPS works at least Wink C’mon, we all believe, more or less, in conspiracy theories , but we just shouldn’t believe in any crap presented.

    Are these individuals aware that the earth is enormous big when compared to us humans? And that our own view field is really small? Just because of these both factors we are able to see a only a tiny part of the landscape in front (and around us), which makes us think that we can only see a flat horizon.

    Even Eric Dubay claims in his video (the first one posted in this thread), that he didn’t have had the possibility to reach “the edge of the flat earth and fall down in the space”, not to travel in the space or at least so high from where he could observe the curvatore of the earth.

    So I might agree that all possibilities pro and contra should be discussed, but this should be based on some empiric knowledge and science, and not only on some wishi-washi postulates.

    Much respect
    Mall…


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    Thank you Mall for your very succinct explanation...I am in accord with you. Simple laws of nature are much more appealing to me...much as Shiloh and Raven love to fill pages and pages with their physics notes for most people it is utterly boring and a waste of time to read. I am not denigrating their knowledge however the majority of us posting are not physicists.

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    Post  Pris on Sat May 23, 2015 2:48 am

    With all respect, I have a sneaky suspicion the whole 'Flat Earth' thing is just another ruse to keep us preoccupied and distracted -- wasting our time discussing it.  It could very well be just another 'social experiment' to see who 'falls for it' and to see who actually feels compelled to argue against it.  I only got involved because a friend of mine seems hell-bent on the Flat Earth being real.  Boggles my mind.

    I, myself, have seen the curvature of the Earth with my own eyes, for what it's worth.  tongue
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    Post  mudra on Sat May 23, 2015 3:40 am

    Pris wrote:With all respect, I have a sneaky suspicion the whole 'Flat Earth' thing is just another ruse to keep us preoccupied and distracted -- wasting our time discussing it.  It could very well be just another 'social experiment' to see who 'falls for it' and to see who actually feels compelled to argue against it.  I only got involved because a friend of mine seems hell-bent on the Flat Earth being real.  Boggles my mind.

    I, myself, have seen the curvature of the Earth with my own eyes, for what it's worth.  tongue

    I completely agree with you Pris and I mentioned it before in this thread.
    Lots of brainstorming for very little use.
    This discussion can go on and on for ever  in duality land.

    Regarding Jim Jones's quote above I would'nt bank on what he says.
    When people speak in such a dramatic way as shown on his website they
    usually don't grab my attention.

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    Post  Vidya Moksha on Sat May 23, 2015 6:51 am

    Carol wrote:This is what I wonder about: GOOGLE TO DELIST YOUR WEB SITE WITH THEIR NEW SEARCH PRIORITIZING ALGORITHMS THAT USE "ACCURACY" AS A PARAMETER. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON.

    If this is true, given what gets posted in the mists I think Flat Earth is the least of our problems Heh heh
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    Post  Pris on Sat May 23, 2015 12:59 pm

    mudra wrote:
    Pris wrote:With all respect, I have a sneaky suspicion the whole 'Flat Earth' thing is just another ruse to keep us preoccupied and distracted -- wasting our time discussing it.  It could very well be just another 'social experiment' to see who 'falls for it' and to see who actually feels compelled to argue against it.  I only got involved because a friend of mine seems hell-bent on the Flat Earth being real.  Boggles my mind.

    I, myself, have seen the curvature of the Earth with my own eyes, for what it's worth.  tongue

    I completely agree with you Pris and I mentioned it before in this thread.
    Lots of brainstorming for very little use.
    This discussion can go on and on for ever  in duality land.

    Regarding Jim Jones's quote above I would'nt bank on what he says.
    When people speak in such a dramatic way as shown on his website they
    usually don't grab my attention.

    Love from me
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    Thanks for that, mudra.  I apologize that missed your comment because I haven't read much of this thread -- for the exact reasons we're discussing.

    And, I also think you're right about 'Jim Jones'.  I find messages delivered in an alarmist way quite... telling.



    Vidya Moksha wrote:
    Carol wrote:This is what I wonder about: GOOGLE TO DELIST YOUR WEB SITE WITH THEIR NEW SEARCH PRIORITIZING ALGORITHMS THAT USE "ACCURACY" AS A PARAMETER. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON.

    If this is true, given what gets posted in the mists I think Flat Earth is the least of our problems Heh heh

    I mostly use DuckDuckGo now.  Unless DuckDuckGo is using these 'new search prioritizing algorithms', I'm not concerned.  Besides, I've gotten into the habit of mostly jumping over the first few hits on searches anyways.  It depends.  You can often tell who is providing... biased information.
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    Post  burgundia on Sat May 23, 2015 2:53 pm

    Carol wrote:This is what I wonder about: GOOGLE TO DELIST YOUR WEB SITE WITH THEIR NEW SEARCH PRIORITIZING ALGORITHMS THAT USE "ACCURACY" AS A PARAMETER. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON.
    Can someone explain to me what it means?

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