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    OBE Experience

    Post  Swanny on Thu May 11, 2017 4:02 am

    A couple of years ago I was riding my motorbike and had an out of body experience.

    I was riding along but then I was up in the air about 2 feet from my right shoulder looking down at myself.
    And I said to myself or someone else. "I can see why he enjoys this so much"
    Then I was back in my body.

    My question is. Who do you think I was talking to?
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    Re: OBE Experience

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Thu May 11, 2017 5:13 am

    Admiral swanny of the wilts. greets from a wet cornwall, supposed to be building a real wall, but might as well play in here awhile instead, its drier.

    Man, we onto spirit now? Wink

    I have worked with a dead friend's spirit, when i realised i wasnt insane it was quite a ride, Im telling that story in my next manuscript..

    there is a university in Argentina, that teaches what you described, its part of astral travelling training. One of the 'easiest' ways to leave your body is just before sleep to imagine sitting up, only you dont actually sit up, you just think it. Maybe one time you will sit up, look down at your body laying there and, the first time, probably snap back into your body through the shock of it..

    If I may interchange OB (1? Luke ) for ND (no pun comes to mind) .. then this is an interesting account:

    Mellen-Thomas Benedict
    is an artist who survived a near-death experience  (NDE) in 1982.  The following is his account, though I have abbreviated it.
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    In 1982, I died from non operable, terminal cancer after being given six to eight months to live.  Before this time, I had become increasingly despondent over the nuclear  crisis, the ecology crisis, and so forth. I came to believe that nature had made a mistake; that we were probably a cancerous organism on the  planet. And that is what eventually killed me.

    Before my near-death experience, I tried all sorts of alternative healing  methods. None helped. So I determined that this was between me and God. I  had never really considered God. Neither was I into any kind of spirituality. But my approaching death sent me on a quest for more information about spirituality and alternative healing. I read various  religions and philosophies. They gave hope that there was something on the other side.

    I had no medical insurance, so my life savings went overnight on tests.  Unwilling to drag my family into this, I determined to handle this myself. I ended up in hospice care and was blessed with an angel for my hospice caretaker, whom I will call "Anne." She stayed with me through all that was to follow.

    Into the Light
    I woke up about 4:30 am and I knew that this was it. I was going to die. I called a few friends and said good-bye. I woke up Anne and made her promise that my dead body would remain undisturbed for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of interesting things happen when you die. I went  back to sleep. The next thing I remember, I was fully aware and standing up. Yet my body was lying in the bed. I seemed to be surrounded by darkness, yet I could see every room in the house, and the roof, and even  under the house.

    A Light shone. I turned toward it, and was aware of its similarity to what others have described in near-death experiences. It was magnificent and tangible, alluring. I wanted to go towards that Light like I might want to go into my ideal mother's or father's arms. As I moved towards the Light, I knew that if I went into the Light, I would be dead. So I said/felt, "Please wait. I would like to talk to you before I go."

    The entire experience halted. I discovered that I was in control of the experience. My request was honored. I had conversations with the Light. That's the best way I can describe it. The Light changed into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, archetypal images and signs. I asked in a kind of telepathy, "What is going on here?"

    The information transmitted was that our beliefs shape the kind of feedback we receive. If you are a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own images. I became aware of a Higher Self matrix, a conduit to the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being, a conduit. All Higher Selves are connected as one being. All humans are connected as one being.

    It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. It was like all the love you've ever wanted, and it was the kind of love that cures, heals, regenerates. I was ready to go at that time. I said "I am ready, take me." Then the Light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a mandala of human souls on this planet. I saw that we are the most beautiful creations; elegant, exotic ... everything.

    I just cannot say enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings in an instant. I said/thought/felt, "Oh, God, I didn't realize." I was astonished to find that there was no evil in any soul. People may do terrible things out of ignorance and lack, but no soul is evil. "What all people seek, what sustains them is love," the Light told me. "What distorts people is a lack of love."

    The revelations went on and on. I asked, "Does this mean that Humankind will be saved?" Like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Light "spoke," saying, "You save, redeem and heal yourself. You always have and always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of the world." In that instant I realized that we have already been saved.

    I thanked the Light of God with all my heart. The best thing I could come up with was: "Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I love my Life." The Light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply, absorbing me. I entered into another realm more profound than the last, and was aware of an enormous stream of Light, vast and full, deep. I asked what it was. The Light answered, "This is the River of Life. Drink of this manna water to your heart's content." I drank deeply, in ecstasy.

    The Void of Nothingness
    Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of Life. I saw the earth fly away. The solar system whizzed by and disappeared. I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more knowledge as I went. I learned that this galaxy and the entire Universe is bursting with many different varieties of life. I saw many worlds. We are not alone in this Universe. It seemed as if all the creations in the Universe soared past me and vanished in a speck of Light.

    Then a second Light appeared. As I passed into the second Light, I could perceive forever, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void, pre-Creation, the beginning of time, the first Word or vibration. I rested in the Eye of Creation and it seemed that I touched the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. I was simply at One with Absolute Life and Consciousness.

    I rode the stream directly into the center of the Light. I felt embraced by the Light as it took me in with its breath again. And the truth was obvious that there is no death; that nothing is born and nothing dies; that we are immortal beings, part of a natural living system that recycles itself endlessly.

    It would take me years to assimilate the Void experience. It was less than nothing, yet greater than anything. Creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable. Through every piece of hair on your head, through every leaf on every tree, through every atom. God is exploring God's Self. I saw everything as the Self of all. God is here. That's what it is all about. Everything is made of light; everything is alive.

    The Light of Love
    I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I would. It was only natural, from what I had seen. As I began my return to the life cycle, it never crossed my mind, nor was I told, that I would return to the same body. It did not matter. I had complete trust in the Light and the Life process.

    As the stream merged with the great Light, I asked never to forget the revelations and the feelings of what I had learned on the other side. I thought of myself as a human again and I was happy to be that. From what I have seen, I would be happy to be an atom in this universe. An atom. So to be the human part of God ... this is the most fantastic blessing. It is a blessing beyond our wildest imagination of what a blessing can be.
    For each and every one of us to be the human part of this experience is awesome, and magnificent. Each and every one of us, no matter where we are, screwed up or not, is a blessing to the planet, right where we are. So I went through the reincarnation process expecting to be a baby somewhere.

    But I reincarnated back into this body. I was so surprised when I opened my eyes, to be back in this body, back in my room with someone looking over me, crying her eyes out. It was Anne, my hospice caretaker. She had found me dead thirty minutes before. We do not know how long I was dead, only that she found me thirty minutes before. She had honored my wish to have my newly-dead body left alone. She can verify that I really was dead.

    It was not a near-death experience. I believe I probably experienced death itself for at least an hour and a half. When I awakened and saw the light outside, confused, I tried to get up to go to it, but I fell out of the bed. She heard a loud "clunk", ran in, and found me on the floor. When I recovered, I was surprised and awed about what had happened. I had no memory at first of the experience. I kept slipping out of this world and kept asking, "Am I alive?" This world seemed more like a dream than that one.

    Within three days, I was feeling normal again, clearer, yet different than ever before. My memories of the journey came back later. But from my return I could find nothing wrong with any human being I had ever seen. Previous to my death I was judgmental, believing that people were really screwed up. Everyone but me.

    About three months later a friend said I should get tested for the cancer. So I got the scans and so forth. I felt healthy. I still remember the doctor at the clinic looking at the "before" and "after" scans. He said, "I can find no sign of cancer now." "A miracle?" I asked. "No," he answered. "These things happen ... spontaneous remission." He seemed unimpressed. But I was impressed. I knew it was a miracle.

    Lessons Learned
    I asked God: "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?" God said with great love: "It doesn't matter." What an incredible grace. It does not matter what religion we are. Religions come and they go. They change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. Many will resist and fight about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.

    When God said, "It doesn't matter," I understood that it is for us to care about, because we are the caring beings. The Source does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or Jew. Each is a reflection, a facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of separate religions, but live and let live. Each has a different view, and it all adds up to the big picture.

    I went over to the other side with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rain forest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. More than any religion or philosophy on Earth, that terrible, wonderful cloud brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness.  

    Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it into us. Then we started saying, "we do not need this any more." Now we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer.

    So I came back loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. Clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed or disheartened. Earth is in the process of domesticating itself, and we are cells on that Body. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.

    The Great Mystery of life has little to do with intelligence. The Universe is not an intellectual process. The intellect is helpful; but our hearts are the wiser part of ourselves. Since my return I have experienced the Light spontaneously. I have learned how to get to that space almost any time in my meditation. You can also do this. You don't have to die first. You are wired for it already. The body is the most magnificent Light being there is. The body is a universe of incredible
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    Re: OBE Experience

    Post  Swanny on Thu May 11, 2017 5:36 am

    Thanks for your reply Vidya Very Happy

    Interesting read.
    But who do you think I was talking to while looking down upon Swanny riding his motorbike? Freedom



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    Re: OBE Experience

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Thu May 11, 2017 5:55 am

    Swanny wrote:Thanks for your reply Vidya Very Happy

    Interesting read.
    But who do you think I was talking to while looking down upon Swanny riding his motorbike? Freedom


    interesting question isnt it? I have no glib answer but i will put that one into the old grey matter and have a think..

    my first thought is yourself. the real you, the soul that is normally encased in mental emotional and other fluff that stop you from seeing the real you. the immortal you, the immortal soul.

    the yogis say the soul -atman - is the same as brahma = everything (same relationship as father and son, microcosm macrocosm, insert your own belief system here)..  like air inside a balloon is the same as the air outside balloon, only separated by a membrane.  

    the problem for me is to separate what I have experienced myself, or what I can legitimately  translate into an experience, versus what I have read or hear others tell.

    I have no personal experience of the higher self, for example, but this concept abounds in many accounts.

    i have a friend, the guy who told me about the university in argentina (he has been there) and he says when we die we go back to our spiritual family and look over our life, decide (in love) which life to reincarnate into, for our 'higher good' but this is in contrast to hindu and buddhists belief that we reincarnate into whatever we deserve (karma).. although the non-Orthodox buddhists also say we can. 'cheat' the karma system if we we know what to do when we die, we can 'jump' levels with correct action just after death.. i have no experience but it is an interesting area.

    ^ in which case you were talking to your spiritual family?

    i am not religious, or spiritual but I am interested in mysticism. when i experienced advaita i had a 'feeling' there was 'something' 'out there' watching me, though i heard or saw no one, no thing. I never have that feeling here in the mundane world, i have no answers for myself either, just more questions.

    so, all of the above is a rather long winded way of saying, i have no answer to your question, but it is an interesting one to consider isnt it?


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    Re: OBE Experience

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Thu May 11, 2017 8:08 am

    ok swanny.. i did have a quick think..

    i am going to presume (forgive me) that it was you that was looking down at the motorbike with you riding it.

    what you were looking down at was the latest flesh blood, bones, brain, machine that you currently reside in, perfectly able to 'function' without you (as per astral traveling).

    so tie this into what Chris is reporting in his ego thread.. Who am I? who am i to see my own 'body'?
    Chris would know better than me, Ramana asks the mystical seeker to ask 'Who am I? Im not saying that is all of his teachings, but its pretty much what I remember. He was a geezer who experienced ......whatever. nice smile too :)

    Tie this into the point I was trying to make in chris's thread about separating the 'ego'. How can you perform an action without performing an action? You were clearly riding the bike, but you were an observer. You (ahem ego) are an observer of you (ahimsa ego). That is not a bad description of advaita to be fair. Chris, this is also the point I was trying to make, there is always an observer of your actions, in what I was describing as advaita, i am not saying in all states of awareness.
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    Re: OBE Experience

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Thu May 11, 2017 9:13 am

    man, havent we had enough of me already?

    ok swanny, a game. a play, a story based on my travels and reads and folk i met who i believed could do this sh1t.

    nowt t'do wi me lad.. lets just play pretend as i have no experience of these things NIL !

    Lets pretend I am a professor teaching a class at that university in argentina, i cant even remember where it is, its close to 3 international borders close to a huge waterfall. anyway..

    I would say that what you experienced was your spirit-soul leaving your body. you talked to yourself and the moment you did that the shock took you straight back into your body. Your flesh body doesnt want to die, it is scared, and it associates your soul leaving with death. spirit and soul are interchangeable. that was the shock, when the meat bag realised what it was supposed to be carrying was outside of it.

    When you can convince your body that it is not going to die, as you now can, you can even ride a motorbike, most folk do this while asleep Wink then you can train your body to astral travel. we all travel in the astral in our dreams anyway.

    Category I is ‘observer’ dreaming, like watching a movie. Category II are where you participate in your dreams. Category III – ‘A-state dreams’ – are not dreams at all, but astral travel trips.

    the soul can go anywhere it wants by thought alone, once in spirit world, and any sign of danger in spirit or in meat sack then the spirit returns in the snap of a finger.

    there is no deceit on spirit, no lies, you see folk for their energy not their words and appearance.. you can walk through walls but still have a weight,
    In spirit you weigh 56 grams
    you ‘bump’ into other spirits, who are on the same ‘vibration level’.
    spirit sex is joining of third eye and solar plexus chakras.

    In Egypt the spirit is called Ba, there is an astral double of you called Ka. Both Ka and Ba can leave the body at will.Merkaba is spaceship that allows the spirit, Ba, to travel between planets.

    you can learn to astral travel just as you learned to ride your bike. if you go to spirit you find a lot of spirits saying 'but this isnt what the vicar told me would happen Wink '

    when you die your soul leaves your body and goes into spirit. what happens in spirit and afterwards are the subject of a future class.

    class dismissed.
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    Re: OBE Experience

    Post  Swanny on Thu May 11, 2017 10:53 am

    Thanks again.
    I do understand the shock that people can feel. My Mum was sat in her chair one day and floated up above herself. She said she was looking down at herself wondering who she was looking at, when she realised it was herself she was suddenly snapped back into her body. It wasn't like that for me, I was looking at Swanny on his bike and said "I can see why he enjoys this so much" to myself or to something else then a few moments later I as Swanny I was riding along thinking to myself, hey that was pretty cool I was just up above myself Enlightened It was quite a chilled out feeling

    I believe in the spiritual family idea too. I don't follow religions or believe in karma. I consider myself to be a mystic, but one on his first day at nursery school
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    Re: OBE Experience

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Thu May 11, 2017 11:00 am

    Swanny wrote: I consider myself to be a mystic, but one on his first day at nursery school

    is there any other way?

    realized folk dont make you tube videos or sit typing at computers Wink
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    Post  Vidya Moksha on Thu May 11, 2017 11:33 am

    Swanny wrote: It wasn't like that for me, I was looking at Swanny on his bike and said "I can see why he enjoys this so much"  to myself or to something else then a few moments later I as Swanny I was riding along thinking to myself, hey that was pretty cool I was just up above myself Enlightened It was quite a chilled out feeling

    we all see different parts of the elephant. if that had have happened to me i would have wanted to find out what happened.. only way to do that is for yourself, though its good to hear ideas from folk and read other accounts..then try and repeat it Wink

    i had an experience of my own and wanted to know, hence my journey..it was my journey to explain my experience to myself and to try and get back there. "Where? and back again? "

    i dont believe it on one level, but i do like the notion we are all god experiencing the universe. I am god experiencing the universe as me, typing at a computer that is god experiencing the universe as a computer, typing to you, god experiencing the universe as you.

    Swanny wrote:
    I believe in the spiritual family idea too.

    i do too, i also think there is a 'spiritual' family on earth too, that you meet as you go along, as different to your biological family.
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    Re: OBE Experience

    Post  mudra on Thu May 11, 2017 2:28 pm

    To no one in particular Imho. The experience allowed you to see that you are not your body nor the identity called Swanny. You being the soul realized the fun the identity called Swanny was having riding that bike in the physical universe cheers

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    Post  Vidya Moksha on Fri May 12, 2017 5:18 am

    this is off topic, but i am going to stick it here anyway..

    you may have seen Barbara Ann Brennan, but no apologies if you have, always worth a second look.

    Very few books have changed my perspective of the universe, but this is one of them. BAB was a NASA physicist who can see the human energy fields and she uses them to heal others.

    Remember ! we are ALL different, ALL of us, we all see and interpret the world differently according to our conditioning, nurture, genetics 'spiritual' and biochemical make up.. so what BAB writes and draws is true for her. I have a friend who can see Auras and chakras but in a different way, neither are wrong, both are correct in their own world view.

    What this book does is introduce a lot of mystic elements but keeps them very accessible for all readers..

    I would recommend buying a copy, I have gifted maybe half a dozen of these books before now, and I needed a copy fro reference and found one online..
    Barbara Ann Brennan Hands of Light
    https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2015/08/13/hands-of-light/
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    Post  Carol on Sat May 13, 2017 6:31 pm

    I remember her and have her book in my library. Outstanding. Thanks for the reminder and link Vidya. Flowers


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    Re: OBE Experience

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Sun May 14, 2017 5:05 am

    Hi Carol, yes, good book isnt it? she wrote a sequel which I bought as well, but I have given all of my library away now, I carry few books except my notebooks (which summarise all the books I have studied).

    they do say never judge a book by its cover, or, i would add, by its title. The horribly titled 'Your aura and your chakras: The owner's manual' by Karla McLaren is another good resource.

    Karla was abused a kid and she developed various techniques to deal with this, and to deter 'spiritual/ psychic' attacks. What she describes touches on the Silva mind control techniques.. well worth a read..

    Incidentally, I hardly ever use google, but i do (did?) use it for pdf searches (filetype:pdf) but now all my pdf searches go to the same 'library' which looks well dodgy and I have avoided.. i wonder if this is tying in with the destruction of libraries in the west?
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