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    I imagined myself a blank state

    Post  JoeEcho on Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:57 am

    I imagined myself a blank state and in that same moment I wasn't.

    The blank state is like a canvass made of paint resistant Teflon. The painting is held together by paint molecules sticking to each other to form the art piece but at no time does any of the paint molecules stick to the Teflon canvass.

    The paint molecules are supported by each other but they themselves are not supported.

    The blank state has no regrets, never has, never will.


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    Re: I imagined myself a blank state

    Post  RedEzra on Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:14 pm


    We are not walking talking vegetables in a blank stare vegetative state... but i agree vegetables have no regrets.
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    Post  Carol on Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:11 pm


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyIkyAo1U7I

    Published on Jun 29, 2017
    "The Volunteers" Legends of the 21st century Humans"
    A telepathic conversation between two Oversouls.
    One describing what it was like to experience Earth.


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    Re: I imagined myself a blank state

    Post  JoeEcho on Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:56 pm

    RedEzra wrote:
    We are not walking talking vegetables in a blank stare vegetative state... but i agree vegetables have no regrets.



    Silly vegetables, Trix are for kids!

    Vegetative = Expressive state directed inward.

    Vegetables, in their vegetative state are not a blank slate.

    Blank slate is unachievable, if it was achievable it would not be a blank slate.


    You know the nearer your destination. The more you're slip slidin' away ......


    It's 'having' a destination that makes it so close yet so far away.

    The destination has no where to go. Imagination, its only trip.
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    Re: I imagined myself a blank state

    Post  JoeEcho on Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:28 pm

    When the blank slate is perceived as alien/ foreign and thus feared as an 'opposition to', one can be sure the trip of a life time(s) is in full force.

    Fear not.




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    Re: I imagined myself a blank state

    Post  Carol on Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:21 am

    I've been thinking about this thread's title since yesterday and finally came to a mini-revelation. If one truly is living in the present there is no future or past. One experiences existence in the present where there is only the continuous unfolding of the present moment. This process can be without fear of anxiety given the situation and/or circumstance where one exists in a safe environment. Hence, peace of mind exists as a state of being and becoming.


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    Post  JoeEcho on Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:47 pm

    Carol wrote:I've been thinking about this thread's title since yesterday and finally came to a mini-revelation. If one truly is living in the present there is no future or past. One experiences existence in the present where there is only the continuous unfolding of the present moment. This process can be without fear of anxiety given the situation and/or circumstance where one exists in a safe environment. Hence, peace of mind exists as a state of being and becoming.

    I would suggest to you that the 'unfolding' and 'becoming' are not part of the present.

    The mind is a 'wayback' machine/ vehicle however there is no vehicle ~present. If one should notice themselves IN the present, that which is noticing is NOT IN the present. So how does one 'know' they are in the present? They don't. They R.


    Slip sliding away, slip sliding away. You know the nearer your destination, the more you slip sliding away.

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    Post  Carol on Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:01 pm

    Wait until you have the experience of singularity. Eternal present manifesting sans ego - only conscious awareness. cheers


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    Re: I imagined myself a blank state

    Post  JoeEcho on Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:27 pm

    Carol wrote:Wait until you have the experience of singularity. Eternal present manifesting sans ego - only conscious awareness. cheers



    I do not know what you accidently deleted of my original post here but what was left made it look like I posted it. I am deleting the part that made it look like as if I posted it.

    Looked too confusing.


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    Post  mudra on Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:03 am

    JoeEcho wrote:So how does one 'know' they are in the present? They don't. They R.

    Life is a gift aptly named the Present



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    Re: I imagined myself a blank state

    Post  mudra on Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:35 am

    JoeEcho wrote:
    Carol wrote:Wait until you have the experience of singularity. Eternal present manifesting sans ego - only conscious awareness. cheers


    Sans ego? That's just ego removing itself. 'Who' removed it?

    Eternal present manifesting sans ego? That's just ego playing hide and seek with itself.[/size]

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    What Carol said above I am not understanding as moving furniture around but rather as  conscious awareness of being  presence JoeEcho. That's the gift , the present.

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    Post  Carol on Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:40 pm

    Carol wrote:Wait until you have the experience of singularity. Eternal present manifesting sans ego - only conscious awareness. cheers



    Sans ego? That's just ego removing itself. 'Who' removed it?

    Eternal present manifesting sans ego? That's just ego playing hide and seek with itself.


    Ego does not exist in the higher spiritual dimensions. It's only need in the 3rd dimension. Having followed the path of mystics for years and participated in a variety of spiritual practices for years.. this comment is based on actual personal experience of expanded conscious awareness of singularity - which is way beyond the experience of 3rd dimension where duality exist for the purpose of experience, growth and learning - synthesis.


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    Re: I imagined myself a blank state

    Post  JoeEcho on Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:08 pm

    Carol wrote:
    Ego does not exist in the higher spiritual dimensions. It's only need in the 3rd dimension. Having followed the path of mystics for years and participated in a variety of spiritual practices for years.. this comment is based on actual personal experience of expanded conscious awareness of singularity - which is way beyond the experience of 3rd dimension where duality exist for the purpose of experience, growth and learning - synthesis.

    Oh but it most certainly does exist, just at a higher vibration. Third dimensionality would not percieve it because of the mismatched vibratory levels but there it is.

    Another way of wording it: It's barely there but it's there and as such still qualifies as ego. Infinitesimal ego is still ego like a fly in the ointment.




    No vibration = No ego = No spiritual dimension or any other for that matter.
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    Post  Carol on Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:54 pm

    And how do you explain the observer within?


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    Post  JoeEcho on Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:46 pm

    Carol wrote:And how do you explain the observer within?

    Threshold of perception.

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    Re: I imagined myself a blank state

    Post  JoeEcho on Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:04 pm

    This thread was born to die.
    One cannot prove a blank slate for proof of such would not be a blank slate.

    You know the nearer your destination The more you're slip slidin' away



    There is no logical conclusion to the blank slate for it never began, it’s beginning would not be that.



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    Nothin', don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free, no no





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    Post  Carol on Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:31 pm

    hmm.. so born to die is the blank slate? Huge Grin


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    Post  JoeEcho on Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:54 pm

    Carol wrote:hmm.. so born to die is the blank slate? Huge Grin

    Your reading comprehension is lacking in this case.

    Think again.
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    Post  mudra on Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:55 pm

    You would need to read the Tao Te Ching Carol to have a grasp of what JoeEcho is pointing at as I understand him.

    The "Tao" is too great to be described by the name "Tao".
    If it could be named so simply, it would not be the eternal Tao.

    Heaven and Earth began from the nameless (Tao),
    but the multitudes of things around us were created by names.

    We desire to understand the world by giving names to the things we see,
    but these things are only the effects of something subtle.

    When we see beyond the desire to use names,
    we can sense the nameless cause of these effects.

    The cause and the effects are aspects of the same, one thing.
    They are both mysterious and profound.
    At their most mysterious and profound point lies the "Gate of the Great Truth".


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    Post  JoeEcho on Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:24 pm

    If less is more, then less than less is (even) more than more.



    (If the all-inclusive quality of the meme above hasn’t hit you yet, you’re not paying attention)
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    Post  Carol on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:15 am

    JoeEcho wrote:
    Carol wrote:hmm.. so born to die is the blank slate? Huge Grin

    Your reading comprehension is lacking in this case.

    Think again.

    I was having fun joking around. Reunite Glad to see you enjoying yourself as well.


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    Post  Carol on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:43 am

    mudra wrote:You would need to read the Tao Te Ching Carol to have a grasp of what JoeEcho is pointing at as I understand him.

    The "Tao" is too great to be described by the name "Tao".
    If it could be named so simply, it would not be the eternal Tao.

    Heaven and Earth began from the nameless (Tao),
    but the multitudes of things around us were created by names.

    We desire to understand the world by giving names to the things we see,
    but these things are only the effects of something subtle.

    When we see beyond the desire to use names,
    we can sense the nameless cause of these effects.

    The cause and the effects are aspects of the same, one thing.
    They are both mysterious and profound.
    At their most mysterious and profound point lies the "Gate of the Great Truth".


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    Thank you for the explanation mudra. Over the years I've ponder on this topic of names for things. Is something more appreciated if it has a name? Named, is there a larger understanding of what it is? Is there a sense of deeper comprehension and expansion of awareness? Or is one at an advantage when fully immersed in the experience of "what is" as it pertains to nature and one's environment? Is it better to be in a state of awesome wonder as compared to intellectualizing what one is experiencing? Would the intellectual process in and of itself create a sense of objectification (separation) as compared to pure experience? When one listens to music is it analyzed or experience via the senses - or is it both?


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    Post  mudra on Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:06 am

    Carol wrote:

    Thank you for the explanation mudra. Over the years I've ponder on this topic of names for things. Is something more appreciated if it has a name? Named, is there a larger understanding of what it is? Is there a sense of deeper comprehension and expansion of awareness? Or is one at an advantage when fully immersed in the experience of "what is" as it pertains to nature and one's environment? Is it better to be in a state of awesome wonder as compared to intellectualizing what one is experiencing? Would the intellectual process in and of itself create a sense of objectification (separation) as compared to pure experience? When one listens to music is it analyzed or experience via the senses - or is it both?

    Interesting questions indeed Carol.
    Thank you for bringing those up.

    I remember times in the garden as a small child and a deep
    connection to flowers. The need to name them was'nt part of
    the experience only presence was.

    Love allows us to recognise life in everything.
    While the mind allows us to recognise form everywhere.

    Life is one continuum that pervades everything hence
    the sense of no separation as Love sees this.

    Forms are disctint from one another for practical purposes
    hence the mind is a separator medium.

    Have you ever noticed in the state of compete  presence the sensation of  distance
    between you and someone or something is zeroing wile the perception of spaciousness  is expanding.
    You are being the universe. You are dreaming the world that is the object of your perception.

    While when considering the distance between you and someone or something the perception of spaciousness  is shrinking.
    You are within the universe.
    The universe dreams you.

    Love is space.
    The mind is distance and distance is time.

    We are presence containing within herself a level of densification, an assemblage point playing the role of interface between spaciousness of presence and the expression of awareness and consciousness in time space.

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    Post  JoeEcho on Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:18 am

    Imagine a pure brain with no pre-loaded software and no sensory input. It wouldn't exist in duality/ multiplicity because a brain/ self to 'work' needs something to work WITH. The first thing it works with is as duality.

    Duality serves one primary role, the illusion that things are more or less important. (the 'less is more' idea comes into play here)

    There is a stateless state that puts everything in perspective no matter how much the mind/ self protests otherwise.

    The mind will never abdicate the position it believes it has. Crowns are worn by the rich and the poor alike.




    The above meme doesn't capture entirely the blank slate (nothing can) but it does offer a hint.
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    Post  mudra on Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:25 am

    JoeEcho wrote:[size=16]Imagine a pure brain with no pre-loaded software and no sensory input. It wouldn't exist in duality/ multiplicity because a brain/ self to 'work' needs something to work WITH. The first thing it works with is as duality.

    ...



    The above meme doesn't capture entirely the blank slate (nothing can) but it does offer a hint.

    So it is JoeEcho.

    It's a good meme you found.
    Your post called the following poem from Eric Galla to awareness.
    It's one of my favorite.
    Each time I read it it's freshly new.

    Soul
    (by Eric Galla)

    Close your eyes,
    To see with your heart,
    Close your ears,
    To hear with your heart,
    Forget your mind,
    And think with your heart.

    For your heart will see,
    When your eyes fail,
    And your heart will hear,
    When the voices are confused,
    Your heart has the answers,
    When your mind falls short.

    Remember your heart,
    For it is the key to love,
    Remember all love,
    For love is the key to your soul,
    Remember your soul,
    For it is your Foundation.

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