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    Post  Vidya Moksha on Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:48 am

    Hey Carol,
    This is a summary from a few threads so I thought I would start a new one.

    I am interested in your terminology with regard dimensions. You wrote of 3D (I presume this is our (considered) normal dualistic state of 'mind', of 'being'.

    You wrote about the loss of fear in the moment, this is part of advaita, the past and future are merely projections of the monkey-mind, and when that is lost (not silenced, that is another state).. then fear does go.. I do wonder if this is one of the reasons why bliss always accompanies advaita, though I suspect there are more factors involved, loss of egotism being one of those factors.

    I would repeat myself, and remind folk that loss of ego is not something I can understand or relate to, as I define ego anyway.. it is loss of egotism that accompanies non-duality, not loss of ego. Ego is a sense of 'identity', of 'self', even though there is no judgment or egotism applied to that state. I have never lost 'ego', i have always been me, even in advaita and non-duality. (I even think this is what 'they' (especially the taoists) mean by non-action, or 'without karma' (yoga).. 'you' are an observer of 'your' actions. But 'your' actions require a 'you' to carry out these actions without egotism, without karma, without 'action'.. (I digress)

    anyway that was a preamble.. what do you mean by 3D?. and what other 'dimensions' exist in your world? What would 4D be? 5D? I guess these are just labels, interchangeable with other theosophical terms, but I have never found an explanation for these terms I could relate to, and have always been curious about them..
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    Post  Carol on Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:34 pm

    Vidya Moksha wrote:Hey Carol,
    This is a summary from a few threads so I thought I would start a new one.

    I am interested in your terminology with regard dimensions. You wrote of 3D (I presume this is our (considered) normal dualistic state of 'mind', of 'being'.

    You wrote about the loss of fear in the moment, this is part of advaita, the past and future are merely projections of the monkey-mind, and when that is lost (not silenced, that is another state).. then fear does go.. I do wonder if this is one of the reasons why bliss always accompanies advaita, though I suspect there are more factors involved, loss of egotism being one of those factors.

    I would repeat myself, and remind folk that loss of ego is not something I can understand or relate to, as I define ego anyway.. it is loss of egotism that accompanies non-duality, not loss of ego. Ego is a sense of 'identity', of 'self', even though there is no judgment or egotism applied to that state. I have never lost 'ego', i have always been me, even in advaita and non-duality. (I even think this is what 'they' (especially the taoists) mean by non-action, or 'without karma' (yoga).. 'you' are an observer of 'your' actions. But 'your' actions require a 'you' to carry out these actions without egotism, without karma, without 'action'.. (I digress)

    anyway that was a preamble.. what do you mean by 3D?. and what other 'dimensions' exist in your world?  What would 4D be? 5D?  I guess these are just labels, interchangeable with other theosophical terms, but I have never found an explanation for these terms I could relate to, and have always been curious about them..

    Ahh... so much to explain from such a short post.

    Where do you think Ego comes from? Does an infant have an ego? Or as it develops does the ego also begin to form? Does a fetus have an ego? Or is it's awareness as one with the mother not differentiating between itself as a separate entity until months, perhaps even a couple of years after birth?  

    How does one incorporate awareness into the equation? What is consciousness? What does it mean to act from the unconscious mind? Is ego involved then? Or is ego a construct of 3D reality, something that is needed to interact with others of it's own species?

    As to dimensions, as spiritual beings we have the ability to experience various dimensions as our spirit is not confined by the physical world (3rd dimension). Micho Kaku once explained how the dimensions are pancaked together like pages of a book. I thought that a great analogy, meaning they are in close proximity of one another and can be accessed via vibrational wormhole frequency of the individual.

    When learning about and studying the path of the mystics one learns that anything is possible including inter-dimensional travel. Next, one learns the path (spiritual practices) that can be practiced on a daily basis to attain a higher vibrational state of conscious awareness, so as to be able to build a pathway to different dimensions. Sometimes one can be knocked into a different vibrational state of awareness via an accident, near death experience, or emotional "low" or "high". Sometimes one may experience another dimension via drugs. However in the Russian study, ones DNA can create wormholes to enter into another dimension to obtain information. This was a study with proven results. For example answers to problems can be solved by posing the question before going to sleep. Musicians also have success with this along with others who are searching for an answer to something.

    Now think about an infant. Does an infant have an ego? When does the ego develop? At what age? I've wondered about this and think it slowly begins to develop when an individual begins to deal with duality. Egos are necessary to interface in the 3rd dimension and personal communications but isn't really a construct needed for dimensions above that. Ones ego (an artifical construct) is what most people identify with mistakenly thinking that their ego personal is who they are - as compared to having a direct experience of themselves as a spiritual being.

    When does an ego dissolve? Dissolving the ego is often a spiritual goal of mystics because they know that it is the ego that can prevent one from having a direct experience of ones one consciousness as spirit as compared to a physical form. Ego dissolves during an experience of singularity, which is a particular spiritual frequency described by the mystics as the dew drop dissolving in to oceanic cosmic consciousness.  One experiences one's spirit as a unique droplet and also experiences oneself as the ocean. One is completely mindless, yet mindful in that the observer, one's spiritual essence, is recording and experiencing bliss.

    I know when I first explored the 4th dimension it wasn't pleasant as entities that hang out there tend to be of a lower spiritual frequency and will try to use others for their own nefarious purposes. They feed off of negative energy and thus tend to create fear or lie presenting themselves as beneficial when they're not. Keep in mind that all of the dimensions are inhabited and as one progresses in their own spiritual practice by raising they're spiritual vibrational frequency they can transcend into the higher dimensions. For the most part one needs a spiritual guide who has already accomplished this to teach them how to safely transcend ordinary consciousness.

    For example, on the path of Sant Mat one is expected to remain drug and alcohol free, become vegetarian, and practice 2 hours of meditation at one sitting each day. The purpose of this practice is to diminish ego so that one can develop a vibrational pathway into the higher dimensional realms. The mantra consists of the names of spiritual beings who are in these other higher dimensional realms. One is to lean to silence the ego monkey mind - mindless chatter and focus on ones relationship with the Divine. One thing I've noticed sitting among thousands of Sant Mat devotees is how peaceful it is. No one is vying for attention. It's a mellow group in that they operate out in the world from a state of inner peace and peace of mind. This is their goal, while living within the 3rd dimension. It's a goal of detachment to the material world, replaced with an attachment to the higher spiritual realms.

    Since ego is essential to help navigate the 3rd dimension of duality one can see where after an experience of singularity, where knows from direct experience, we are all part of one greater cosmic consciousness. It becomes easier to transcend the mind and allow ones consciousness/spirit to travel throughout the various dimensional realms as an observer for the most part.

    The side affect of these spiritual practices are enhance spiritual abilities - which is another story for another day.

    I'll probably reread and edit this in the future as I think more about your question. aloha


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    Post  Vidya Moksha on Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:43 pm

    Touche, I suppose, a few simple questions I have no easy answer to.

    I have only just read your post, and I am interested in many aspects, for sure, but I am trying to track down 'dimensions'.

    I dont want to get into a discussion here about ego, I said my piece in chris' thread a while back, though I dont know how to link that here, not that it matters. I think I understand what you mean by ego and that is enough. I also think it is fairly easy to understand what I mean by ego, which I find easiest to explain in yogic terms.  Ahem is "I-am ego", ‘I-exist’, it is a form of ego. 'I' wouldnt exist without it. Egotism is what I believe most folk mean when the say ego, the yoga term being Asmita, but asmita is also a function of ego, its the "i-want", or "i dont want", or "i -need" ego...

    In my world ego=ahem + asmita.

    The loss of asmita results in advaita = non -duality (I have done this). I have never lost ahem. I have always been me.

    But that was just to explain 'ego' as I see it, so we dont discuss semantics. I dont want a chat about ego.. I want to know what the 'fourth dimension' or higher dimensions are, what do they mean, where are taken from?

    Carol wrote:
    Where do you think Ego comes from?

    the monkey-mind generates asmita
    i believe ahem is generated by an internal soul 'spirit', which is reincarnating between bodies. the atman in yoga terms.

    Carol wrote:
    Does an infant have an ego? Or as it develops does the ego also begin to form? Does a fetus have an ego? Or is it's awareness as one with the mother not differentiating between itself as a separate entity until months, perhaps even a couple of years after birth?  

    My first 'awareness-event' occurred when I was 5 years old, I remember it vividly. I was playing with my toys when suddenly I stopped and was confused.. Who was I? What relation was I to my parents? Who were these people? It lasted a few moments but it was quite profound and scary at the time. I have always carried the memory, but I didnt give it much thought until I was in my forties..and I also found it is an experienced shared by quite a number of folk.
    I had to start school early, at age 4, and I do have memories of my life before this 'experience', but only fragments.. At that moment i became 'me' and have a pretty much good memory of my life since that event.

    What happened? was it just brain synapses connecting, neurones growing?

    Carol wrote:
    How does one incorporate awareness into the equation? What is consciousness? What does it mean to act from the unconscious mind? Is ego involved then? Or is ego a construct of 3D reality, something that is needed to interact with others of it's own species?

    you dont need asmita to interact with other  folk, you do need ahem.

    Carol wrote:
    As to dimensions, as spiritual beings we have the ability to experience various dimensions as our spirit is not confined by the physical world (3rd dimension). Micho Kaku once explained how the dimensions are pancaked together like pages of a book. I thought that a great analogy, meaning they are in close proximity of one another and can be accessed via vibrational wormhole frequency of the individual.
    i see pancakes in the same 'dimension'.. my world view is consistent with pancakes, but these are all 3D pancakes? even spirit world, its not mundane, but its real on a different frequencies. but different frequencies in the same dimension?

    Carol wrote:
    When learning about and studying the path of the mystics one learns that anything is possible including inter-dimensional travel.

    astral travel is travelling in the astral realms, why is this 'fourth dimension'? this is astral travelling in this dimension isnt it? just in spirit?


    Carol wrote:
    However in the Russian study, ones DNA can create wormholes to enter into another dimension to obtain information.
    This was a study with proven results. For example answers to problems can be solved by posing the question before going to sleep. Musicians also have success with this along with others who are searching for an answer to something.
    this is yoga nidra, essentially,
    Edison used to hold ball bearings over a metal bucket, try to reach this state, not awake, not asleep.. if he fell asleep the ball bearings woke him up when his hand relaxed and dropped them in the bucket.
    This is not dimensional travel, but 'shutting down' some sensory inputs to the brain.. it is a common and easy process.

    Carol wrote:
    When does an ego dissolve?
    when advaita is reached, asmita is absent.

    Carol wrote:
    Ego dissolves during an experience of singularity, which is a particular spiritual frequency described by the mystics as the dew drop dissolving in to oceanic cosmic consciousness.  One experiences one's spirit as a unique droplet and also experiences oneself as the ocean. One is completely mindless, yet mindful in that the observer, one's spiritual essence, is recording and experiencing bliss.

    I have no experience of this, i have always been me. This sounds more like an acid trip (Im not been disparaging, I am just trying to approximate to my own experiences)..
    mindlessness in easy enough to achieve, it is meditation, but meditation can be a dangerous cul-de-sac to reaching advaita. a quiet monkey is just clever enough to make you think hes not in control.

    Carol wrote:
    I know when I first explored the 4th dimension it wasn't pleasant as entities that hang out there tend to be of a lower spiritual frequency and will try to use others for their own nefarious purposes.
    this sounds like spirit plane.

    My impression is that your 'fourth' dimension is spirit plane? And again your fourth dimension is different states of awareness.. I have not picked anything up in your words that are 'other-dimensional' ...But this was first read and a quick reply, I am away into the pit for a few more days again..
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    Post  Carol on Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:47 pm

    Vidya Moksha wrote:Touche, I suppose, a few simple questions I have no easy answer to.

    I have only just read your post, and I am interested in many aspects, for sure, but I am trying to track down 'dimensions'.

    I dont want to get into a discussion here about ego, I said my piece in chris' thread a while back, though I dont know how to link that here, not that it matters. I think I understand what you mean by ego and that is enough. I also think it is fairly easy to understand what I mean by ego, which I find easiest to explain in yogic terms.  Ahem is "I-am ego", ‘I-exist’, it is a form of ego. 'I' wouldnt exist without it. Egotism is what I believe most folk mean when the say ego, the yoga term being Asmita, but asmita is also a function of ego, its the "i-want", or "i dont want", or "i -need" ego...

    In my world ego=ahem + asmita.

    The loss of asmita results in advaita = non -duality (I have done this). I have never lost ahem. I have always been me.

    YES, I AS WELL.

    But that was just to explain 'ego' as I see it, so we dont discuss semantics. I dont want a chat about ego.. I want to know what the 'fourth dimension' or higher dimensions are, what do they mean, where are taken from?

    Carol wrote:
    Where do you think Ego comes from?

    the monkey-mind generates asmita
    i believe ahem is generated by an internal soul 'spirit', which is reincarnating between bodies. the atman in yoga terms.

    Carol wrote:
    Does an infant have an ego? Or as it develops does the ego also begin to form? Does a fetus have an ego? Or is it's awareness as one with the mother not differentiating between itself as a separate entity until months, perhaps even a couple of years after birth?  

    My first 'awareness-event' occurred when I was 5 years old, I remember it vividly. I was playing with my toys when suddenly I stopped and was confused.. Who was I? What relation was I to my parents? Who were these people? It lasted a few moments but it was quite profound and scary at the time. I have always carried the memory, but I didnt give it much thought until I was in my forties..and I also found it is an experienced shared by quite a number of folk.

    I had to start school early, at age 4, and I do have memories of my life before this 'experience', but only fragments.. At that moment i became 'me' and have a pretty much good memory of my life since that event.

    MINE OCCURRED WHILE SITTING IN THE CRIB AT ABOUT 8 OR 9 MONTHS OLD. TOTAL AWARENESS OF SITUATION ALONG WITH INTERACTION / REACTION AND WHAT EMOTION TRIGGERED MY RESPONSE.

    What happened? was it just brain synapses connecting, neurones growing?

    Carol wrote:
    How does one incorporate awareness into the equation? What is consciousness? What does it mean to act from the unconscious mind? Is ego involved then? Or is ego a construct of 3D reality, something that is needed to interact with others of it's own species?

    you dont need asmita to interact with other  folk, you do need ahem.

    Carol wrote:
    As to dimensions, as spiritual beings we have the ability to experience various dimensions as our spirit is not confined by the physical world (3rd dimension). Micho Kaku once explained how the dimensions are pancaked together like pages of a book. I thought that a great analogy, meaning they are in close proximity of one another and can be accessed via vibrational wormhole frequency of the individual.
    i see pancakes in the same 'dimension'.. my world view is consistent with pancakes, but these are all 3D pancakes? even spirit world, its not mundane, but its real on a different frequencies. but different frequencies in the same dimension?

    MINE IS NOT. FIRST NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE DUE TO DROWNING WAS AROUND AGE 5 OR 6. TOTAL SENSE OF PEACE, PAST LIFE REVIEW, UNFULFILLED POTENTIAL AND CHOICE TO SURVIVE OR DIE.

    Carol wrote:
    When learning about and studying the path of the mystics one learns that anything is possible including inter-dimensional travel.

    astral travel is travelling in the astral realms, why is this 'fourth dimension'? this is astral travelling in this dimension isnt it? just in spirit?

    MY FIRST EXPERIENCE BEGAN WITH A QUIJI BOARD AND OPENING UP TO THE 4TH DIMENSION TO OBTAIN MESSAGES THAT OF EVENTS TO OCCUR WHICH DID OCCUR. MY FAMILY ON MOTHERS SIDE IS PSI AND ALL HAD ACCESS TO FUTURE EVENTS - PRECOGNITION RUNS IN THE FAMILY. SO BEING A SENSITIVE IS INHEIRTED AND CAN BE EXPANDED UPON WITH MEDITATION ALONG WITH SPIRITUAL PRACTICES WHICH HELP TO EVOLVE THE SPIRITUAL CENTERS IN THE BODY. I WOULD FIND MYSELF SPONTANEOUSLY TRAVELING IN THE 4TH DIMENSION. A NUMBER OF THE ENTITIES WERE OF A LOWER VIBRATION AND DANGEROUS. I LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF INVISIBLE TO THEM BY RAISING MY FREQUENCY FOCUSING ON CHRIST'S FREQUENCY.

    I ALSO HAD FREQUENT SPONTANEOUS OB EXPERIENCES PRACTICING YOGA WHERE CONSCIOUS AWARENESS SPLIT AND EXISTED IN SEVERAL PHYSICAL LOCATIONS. THERE WERE ALSO EXPERIENCES OF WAKING UP FROM A DREAM BEING IN ANOTHER LOCATION - PHYSICAL AND SOME OF THE HIGEST DIMENSIONAL REALMS POPPING INTO SOME OF THE DIFFERENT HEAVENLY REALMS. ONCE I FOUND MYSELF (IN TERMS OF FULL CONSCIOUS AWARENESS) HOVERING IN THE CLOUDS OVER THE OCEAN; ANOTHER TIME IN A HINDU HEAVEN WHERE THEY WERE ALL SINGING AND DANCING; ANOHTER IN A PLACE WHICH FILLED WITH SOUL MATES WHERE I HAD BEEN SLEEPING ON SOMETHING LIKE A COUCH DREAMING WHILE LIVING MY LIFE HERE ON EARTH. IN ADDITION I WAS ABLE TO TRAVEL ALONG VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS TIMELINES TO SEE, VIA IMAGES THAT PRESENTED THEMSELVES BOTH PAST AND FUTURE EVENTS. I'VE ALSO SEEN GHOSTS.

    I'VE ALSO USED THIS ABILITY TO TRACK WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH A FEW PEOPLE IN COMAS AND ASTRA TRAVEL TO WHERE THEY WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE. LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS A SURPRISE VISIT AND THE OTHERS HELPING MY FRIEND'S HUSBAND WANTED TO KNOW HOW I GOT THERE. INTENTION IS HOW ONE CAN TRAVEL TO THESE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS.


    Carol wrote:
    However in the Russian study, ones DNA can create wormholes to enter into another dimension to obtain information.
    This was a study with proven results. For example answers to problems can be solved by posing the question before going to sleep. Musicians also have success with this along with others who are searching for an answer to something.
    this is yoga nidra, essentially,
    Edison used to hold ball bearings over a metal bucket, try to reach this state, not awake, not asleep.. if he fell asleep the ball bearings woke him up when his hand relaxed and dropped them in the bucket.
    This is not dimensional travel, but 'shutting down' some sensory inputs to the brain.. it is a common and easy process.

    Carol wrote:
    When does an ego dissolve?
    when advaita is reached, asmita is absent.

    Carol wrote:
    Ego dissolves during an experience of singularity, which is a particular spiritual frequency described by the mystics as the dew drop dissolving in to oceanic cosmic consciousness.  One experiences one's spirit as a unique droplet and also experiences oneself as the ocean. One is completely mindless, yet mindful in that the observer, one's spiritual essence, is recording and experiencing bliss.

    I have no experience of this, i have always been me. This sounds more like an acid trip (Im not been disparaging, I am just trying to approximate to my own experiences)..
    mindlessness in easy enough to achieve, it is meditation, but meditation can be a dangerous cul-de-sac to reaching advaita. a quiet monkey is just clever enough to make you think hes not in control.

    I NEVER DID DRUGS FOR THESE EXPERIENCES AND THE MAJORITY HAVE BEEN SPONTANEOUS.

    Carol wrote:
    I know when I first explored the 4th dimension it wasn't pleasant as entities that hang out there tend to be of a lower spiritual frequency and will try to use others for their own nefarious purposes.
    this sounds like spirit plane. YES

    My impression is that your 'fourth' dimension is spirit plane? And again your fourth dimension is different states of awareness.. I have not picked anything up in your words that are 'other-dimensional' ...But this was first read and a quick reply, I am away into the pit for a few more days again..

    HMM...  I GUESS I DO THINK OF THE DIFFERENT SPIRITUAL REALMS (PLANES) AS DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS.


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    Post  Carol on Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:07 pm

    astral travel is traveling in the astral realms, why is this 'fourth dimension'?
    this is astral traveling in this dimension isnt it? just in spirit?

    Yes and no. One can astral travel in this dimension and other dimensions as well. In this dimension what you see is the same as astral traveling in this dimension. Once a wormhole has been opened into the 4th dimension one sees what exists in the 4th dimension (other spiritual entities of one sort or another). This supposedly is also the dimension the grays inhabit as Astral Traveler explained this in his thread a few years back. However he believed what they told him when he was in that dimension astral traveling and later discovered that they lied to him or misrepresented the truth. This seems to be the case with various individuals experiences interfacing with beings/entities from the 4th dimension. I've wondered at times if this was more like Purgatory for those who cross over and stay stuck due to attachment of one sort or another (drugs, alcohol, people). However, since entities of demonic sort also hang out in this dimension that may not be the case.

    Bleed through from the 4th dimension can easily occur where one is attuned to information download once this wormhole has been created and it can be quite a nuisance since this can occur anytime and anywhere, especially when one is trying to sleep. One can also become a target for those entities wishing to communicate with this dimension or for those with addictions and such seeking to suck off the spiritual energy of the living.

    I can't really describe the 5th dimension as it wasn't somewhere I traveled to or remember if I did. However, having experience a few different heaven realms left me with different impressions. As for the experience with the Universal Avatar (Christ), he came to me while in church when in meditation. That particular spiritual experience is indescribable. Compassion pours through every nano particle of ones physical/mental/emotional/spiritual being where the experience of singularity occurs. We exist within each others heart chakra.

    One of the reasons in Sant Mat that one is to focus on their spiritual teacher is that the teacher has experience traveling through the different spiritual dimensional realms and can assist when one reaches that level of spiritual development to astral travel. By focusing on the mantra and the spiritual master one can safely travel through the various lower dimensions until they reach the spiritual realm/plane that the teacher has reached. Basically one is using the Master's spiritual energy frequency like a tuning fork to resonate at the same frequency obtaining the desired spiritual location objective.  The Master's vibrational frequency is used as a nexus point in beyond space and time for astral travel purposes. It can take many years of spiritual practice to achieve such an ability.

    The practice of astanga (hatha) yoga helps accelerate the process as it stimulates the various chakra centers whereby they begin to evolve and the practioner begins to develop various spiritual abilities. Telepathy, bi-location, material manifestation, precognition, astral travel to name a few. As you well know there are many paths to the mountain top. However, it is of great benefit to have a trusted accomplished teacher as a guide for this process.

    As for the experience of traveling to Source, that too was spontaneous and occurred within a short time frame of having been visited by the Universal Avatar. This experience is different as of course there is no way to describe the ineffable. The sense of leaving ego behind and just existing as a dew drop in the shinning sea, knowing oneself as a dew drop and oneself as the shinning sea, can never be adequately described in words. One's conscious awareness is floating within the center of cosmic conscious in the primordial sea of "nothingness" where ones existence is fully plugged into all potentiality of all that exists and doesn't exist. Think of a fractal, being in a state of no beginning, no end (as all is non-material existence), yet always in a state of becoming. At this juncture, one uses ones intention to co-create alongside or within Divine Cosmic Consciousness. For the most part one is mine-less and one is part of mind. As stated before, the ineffable can't be describe with words, only experienced.

    The desire to experience the ineffable helps if one wishes to transcend ordinary consciousness of the 3-D world. Although MDA seems to help some get a glimpse into some of the spiritual realms or dimensions if one prepares correctly, it can be a 10 minute short cut to what is possible when it comes to the expansion of conscious awareness. However, it does deplete the serotonin within the brain which can result in depression. Spontaneous projections into the astral realm seem to be the safest route as long doesn't run into problems on the other side.

    For example, I knew this one person who was having spontaneous projections yet having trouble getting back into his body. Shortly afterward I learned that he had died. At that time I had no clue as to how to get back in once out. However, during one of my first spontaneous OBE where I was hovering over my body trying to figure out how to get back in I realized that all I needed to do was focus on inhaling. Voila. That worked. It was pretty strange in the midst of doing the sun salutation standing stretching upward to find myself suddenly outside of the physical form looking down at my body folding up on the ground into a fetal position.

    Most people with time and commitment can easily train themselves to have an OBE but where does one go once out? How does one safely astral travel? What dangers exist and what precautions should one take? I did eventually find my spiritual nexus point (home base) in a waking dream many years later. Yet, now think of each of these experiences as spiritual gifts. Were they the result of a resolve to follow a spiritual path from a very early age?  Each spiritual experience was a complete surprise and some came prior to a difficult period in my life. I suspect as a reminder that we are far more then we can envision for ourselves then just as a physical being and to hang in there.

    It took me many, many years to finally make a commitment to fully living in 3-D. Now bliss is found in everywhere, the wind, rain, sun, night sky, nature and family. I'm firmly convinced that we are meant to live our lives in grateful awesome wonder and appreciation of the many blessings that surround us each and every moment. To me bliss is also a state of mind of inner peace within Cosmic Consciousness. It just doesn't get any better then that in this world.


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    Post  Vidya Moksha on Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:40 am

    thanks Carol, that was what I was looking for. Rain stopped play here so I did read it, I will digest and get back to you in a few days. :)

    Carol wrote: I'm firmly convinced that we are meant to live our lives in grateful awesome wonder and appreciation of the many blessings that surround us each and every moment. To me bliss is also a state of mind of inner peace within Cosmic Consciousness. It just doesn't get any better then that in this world.

    i concur 100%

    I did try DMT one time in excess (after the experiences with Ayahausca i described here in the mists) and 'died' a couple of times. I was fearless before I took the DMT and with fear after.. the death process was 100% fearless and quite ok, 'coming' back to this '3D' world as you describe I had fear! Fear that I wouldnt be on this planet anymore to witness all the beauty.

    Perhaps I should also add that despite my drug references above, my mystical experiences were head and body trips, no drugs involved.. i cant imagine reaching advaita through drug use and once in that state no drugs are needed.
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    Post  mudra on Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:25 am

    Just a few thoughts

    To me there is perception , experience and being.
    As the awareness of being manifests expansion of presence, perception and experience change accordingly.
    As our viewpoint changes so do the dimension points we look at change.
    There are no dimensions per se, only alteration of viewpoints.
    As above so below.

    I understand  the " ego "  is that part of the mind that records all moments when we delegated  our sovereignty  willingly or
    unwillingly to someone or something under which we succumbed .
    The sum total of uninspected things  forming the " ego " functions then on a stimulus response basis , it reacts,
    presence being short circuited the moment the ego comes into play.

    Restore sovereignty of being and the " ego " vanishes.


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    Re: Carol's dimensions... ;)

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:32 am

    Hi Mudra. From your words it appears we have the same world view, which is also consistent with yoga theory. I don't 'recognise' dimensions as such, hence my post and question.

    Thanks Carol, I have met folk with similar experiences to yours and nothing you describe to me is 'new' as such, I just didnt classify it as 'fourth' or higher dimensions (not that I know which pigeon hole to drop these experiences into).

    I put all you describe in my 'third eye chakra- spirit world box', though some of the 'higher awarenesses may be catagorised differently.

    I cant adequately describe the realms that you describe from my own experiences, which is why I am curious about them I guess. I had an encounter with spirit world which left me in no doubt that spirit was real, and I know folk who can see into spirit (many having NDE, and often from drowning).

    I was told I had a spirit living in me, which I immediately dismissed. when evidence that i might be carrying a spirit was mounting i still wanted to believe it was a projection of my mind and not real. I worked with three people who could see spirit, and told none of them about my work with the others, and they all confirmed the same story. I was in 'contact' with the spirit within, but only through sensation, no words or visions.. So its 'real for me now, even though I cannot see into spirit and i have never knowing astral traveled (but open to the idea we all do in sleep state).

    I was thinking about your post and what popped into my mind was a possible dichotomy in my 'experiences'. My monkey mind can dive into yoga (and buddhism to an extent), and chase after all sorts of info and practices. There is no end - just the beginning of the next stage.

    With spirit and shamanism I cant do that. I tried a few of the shamanic journey practices and techniques but I cannot visualise images during these practices. I think the problem is that I am not passive, I am not allowing the images to come to me, I am chasing after them with my monkey mind. So although I have 'studied' spirit and shamanism, i realise both are more experiential than theoretical and I have never 'let go' enough to get anywhere with them, too much the control freak.

    I think thats why I lump it all together as 'third eye' chakra, a handle I can identify. Its just words and semantics.

    I was thinking about Barbara Ann Brennan's writing. This is from memory, but the gist is right. She describes a series of energy fields around the body, stacked like a russian doll. In her spiritual healing work she describes passing 'up' through the chakras from the base to the head, and equates this to different levels of awareness that correspond with the increasingly subtle energy layers that surround the body. I think it was at the heart chakra that she acquired her spirit guide. When she gets the the head the corresponding level of awareness is beyond anything i can imagine, (her reaction was to have a cup of tea Wink ) .. all of these layers and all of her 'levels' of awareness might easily be described as different 'dimensions', but again I dont use this terminology myself.

    Entering advaita might be a 'dimension' shift, as you pass through the 'veil', but I dont describe it this way, its just a different level of awareness.
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    Re: Carol's dimensions... ;)

    Post  Swanny on Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:37 am

    mudra wrote:Just a few thoughts

    To me there is perception , experience and being.
    As the awareness of being manifests expansion of presence, perception and experience change accordingly.
    As our viewpoint changes so do the dimension points we look at change.
    There are no dimensions per se, only alteration of viewpoints.
    As above so below.

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    Which is why we can read the same book years later and get a completely different message from it, almost as though it was written in a secret code that we weren't able to see the first time around :)
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    Re: Carol's dimensions... ;)

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:12 pm

    Carol wrote:

    I can't really describe the 5th dimension as it wasn't somewhere I traveled to or remember if I did. However, having experience a few different heaven realms left me with different impressions. As for the experience with the Universal Avatar (Christ), he came to me while in church when in meditation. That particular spiritual experience is indescribable. Compassion pours through every nano particle of ones physical/mental/emotional/spiritual being where the experience of singularity occurs. We exist within each others heart chakra.


    As for the experience of traveling to Source, that too was spontaneous and occurred within a short time frame of having been visited by the Universal Avatar. This experience is different as of course there is no way to describe the ineffable. The sense of leaving ego behind and just existing as a dew drop in the shinning sea, knowing oneself as a dew drop and oneself as the shinning sea, can never be adequately described in words. One's conscious awareness is floating within the center of cosmic conscious in the primordial sea of "nothingness" where ones existence is fully plugged into all potentiality of all that exists and doesn't exist. Think of a fractal, being in a state of no beginning, no end (as all is non-material existence), yet always in a state of becoming. At this juncture, one uses ones intention to co-create alongside or within Divine Cosmic Consciousness. For the most part one is mine-less and one is part of mind. As stated before, the ineffable can't be describe with words, only experienced.

    When I say I have heard similar stories to yours, I meant generically, it answered my question about dimensions.

    The experiences you describe here are certainly out there, I can understand the use of 'dimension' in this shift. Ive read similar accounts from people during NDEs, but have no experienced anything like this.
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    Re: Carol's dimensions... ;)

    Post  Vidya Moksha on Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:15 pm

    Swanny wrote:

    Which is why we can read the same book years later and get a completely different message from it, almost as though it was written in a secret code that we weren't able to see the first time around :)

    and why pictures are so powerful, they relate to all folk at their current level of understanding in their own language/concepts.
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    Re: Carol's dimensions... ;)

    Post  mudra on Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:12 pm

    Swanny wrote:

    Which is why we can read the same book years later and get a completely different message from it, almost as though it was written in a secret code that we weren't able to see the first time around :)

    So true .It always amazes me when it happens.
    I even happen to read posts of mine that I wrote in Old PA and surprise myself with them.
    My eyesight got worse over time but some things I see with greater clarity.

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